ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I wish the irony here was purposeful--but it wasn't.
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vesihiisi
Footballguy
Exactly, that should have read "he IS the most least-sharpest knife in the drawer."
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
you guys gotta be part time hair splitters....
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Pro-tip: If you're going to criticize someone's "brainpower", don't #### it up.'texasbirdfan said:
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
I didn't- the syntax and sentence were written correctly- it wasn't a criticism anyway it was a backhanded compliment based on facts of test scores and lack of street smarts in performance.
Faust
MVP
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
Used to hear every year when Vick was a Falcon on how he was stepping up in the off-season- Bryant reminds me......
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I'm tired of hearing about his talent. It is what it is and life is what you make of it.As far as I'm concerned he was the Cowboys Wr3 in some of those games last year and he'll be drafted too high again this year especially in PPR leagues.
JPeso
Footballguy
You lose all credibility with a statement like this.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
The TD machine you are looking for is Laurant Robinson.
yellowdog
Footballguy
The guy widely thought to be the 2nd best RZ threat in the game behind Megatron isn't tall enough to be a dominant RZ threat? Ok. And I won't even get into the absurdity of playing too "violently" for "unnecessary" yards. Players should try to get as many yards as possible every play. And "punk" and "character issues" are basically the same thing, so good job saying the same thing twice.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
This is interesting to read from a Cowboys fan. Dez was not ever the Cowboys' WR3 on the field, in terms of who the defense paid attention to. Why do you think Laurent Robinson had such a great season? Because there was very little defensive attention on him. You notice the Cowboys made almost no effort to bring Robinson back.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
To be fair, I think Gronkowski is probably right up there with Megatron. Unless you were restricting it to WR's.
There's a lot of people here who like to spout off random crap like they watched any game when it's obvious they probably just read stat lines. If you watched the games, you would notice that defensive attention was ridiculous on Dez. He's a physical freak, but he's no Megatron. He's pretty useless when double covered, or he was his first 2 years. When he's at full strength and one on one with any DB however, even Revis, he'll destroy them. I'm too lazy to look at the stats, but I remember when Austin was out, coverage on Dez was ridiculous, which I would assume helped Robinson go crazy. Now that Austin and Dez are both healthy, I see an uptick in stats for Dez...the breakout part will depend on if he studies the playbook a little harder and learns to beat some double coverage.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
He's working on that.
There have been numerous articles this off-season with quotes from Bryant talking about this--and how he needs to learn when to go all out for that extra yard, and when to be a little more conservative to preserve his legs and his health. He's learning, even though he's a naturally violent/aggressive receiver.
Three things: 1. He's about 6'2"-- it's not like he's 5'10. With his explosiveness, that's plenty tall.2. He has scored 15 TD's in his career so far. Not exactly lacking in that category for a young guy coming onto a team with very established receivers already in place. 2. He is already a great redzone threat either way. So I don't ever see TD's being a problem.
Already addressed.So basically, you attacked a post detailing what Dez COULD be if he put it all together. And then said absolutely nothing of substance to refute that.
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JPeso
Footballguy
Actually a year before it's "widely thought". Settle down!
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I don't know how, I got pretty smashed at the auction, but I ended up with this clown again. FML.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Great contribution. Every single piece of news about Bryant this summer has been beyond positive. Is it just impossible in your mind for him to grow up?
massraider
Footballguy
Gosh that's weird, usually the summer is full of negative stories.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Other receivers before Robinson had a chance to make an impact for the Cowboys in the same situation as Robinson but they failed. Of course I'd take Dez over Robinson but Dez has underachieved slightly IMO and I'm tired of reading about potential and that he was triple covered. The guy needs to work harder on his route running and needs to become mentally tougher. He's easily thrown off his game as he gets frustrated and then needs a babysitter to tell him it's Ok, he'll get the ball next series.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Last year, but my point is it wasn't Dez. The way Jax throws the ball Calvin wouldn't sniff 10 td's.Do you mean Laurent Robinson of the Jacksonville Jaguars?
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
In Dez's case, that has been true in the past.
Banger
Footballguy
sometimes it is...for him particularly there haven't been a lot of positives in the past. He was certainly never called a leader, never was praised for being in shape, etc.. This year there is clearly a different tone coming out of camp. Whether you think it's just training camp fluff or maybe he's really starting to get it is what each FF drafter will have to discern for themselves. Most people will view the news not objectively but through their pre-determined leanings. If you're in the Dez is a punk camp this is all TC noise and he'll always be a punk and an overhyped bust...if you're in the physical freak camp he's turning the corner on his way to stardom.Time will tell.
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Faust
MVP
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I am selling on him. Much more interested in Green or Julio.
I rest my case!.....Is this the time to buy?
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Claiborne scored a 4 on the wonderlic .... he probably also thinks Tony Romo is a place you go to eat dinner. The Cowboys are lucky he can find his way to the facility on a day to day basis.
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Everyone was more interested in green/Julio even before the recent news.You would need to add a lot to Dez to get one of those guys.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Instinctive
Footballguy
Buy low. Hear the story? His mom tried to hit him and he pushed her per the news this morning here in Dallas. As if you never did that in your early 20s...
ETA: argument among family...push...give me a break. I may finally get to go buy the guy now.
ETA: argument among family...push...give me a break. I may finally get to go buy the guy now.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I pushed a couple prostitutes in my 20's...this is nothing!
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massraider
Footballguy
Aaah, NO, I didn't. When mom swings at you, you take it. This isn't a rule, it's just what you do. Push my mom, really? are you fishing here??'Instinctive said:
Faust
MVP
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
Lead story today's Dallas Morning News Sports - Rick Gosselin- Sports Editor and NFL guru
titled NOT SO HOT in the print version:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/columnists/rick-gosselin/20120718-gosselin-dez-bryant-has-yet-to-show-his-special-talent-on-or-off-the-field.ece
Gosselin: Dez Bryant has yet to show his 'special' talent on or off the field
All too often the focus on Dez Bryant has been off the field.
With the Cowboys opening training camp next week, let’s shift the focus back to Bryant on the field. While his conduct off the field has been discouraging, his play on the field has been disappointing.
Let’s return to April 2010. I went back to my draft notes to see what NFL talent evaluators were saying about Bryant coming out of Oklahoma State. He was off the draft boards of some teams because of character concerns, but there was no questioning his ability.
“If he was clean of character, he’d be a top 10 pick,” said one NFL GM.
“Football-wise, he’s Andre Johnson with better quickness,” said an NFC scout. “Athletically, he’s a freak. He’s the third best player in this draft, but …”
That “but” — concerns for his maturity and character — triggered his slide from the top 10 talent-wise to the Cowboys, who finally claimed him at No. 24 on a trade-up. Bryant wasn’t even the first wide receiver taken.
So it was with great expectations that the Cowboys welcomed Bryant to Valley Ranch. There would always be concerns about him off the field, but when Bryant was on the field, the Cowboys believed they stole a playmaker whose talents could rival those of the franchise’s resident Hall of Famer Michael Irvin.
Jerry Jones believed Bryant was worth the risk. Dez was that special a talent.
But the Cowboys have yet to see “special” from Bryant in his two seasons thus far.
There were 82 different NFL receivers who managed 100-yard games in 2011. Bryant was not one of them. He has played 27 career games now and collected 100 yards in just one of them. Dez is still looking for his first 1,000-yard season as well as his first Pro Bowl invitation as he heads into Year 3 of his career.
Let’s look at some other receivers in recent years selected in Bryant’s draft range. Demaryius Thomas went ahead of Bryant in the 2010 draft, going to the Broncos on the 22nd selection. In the 2009 draft Percy Harvin went 22nd to the Vikings, Hakeem Nicks 29th to the Giants and Kenny Britt 30th to the Titans. In 2007 Dwayne Bowe went 23rd to the Chiefs; in 2006 Santonio Holmes went 25th to the Steelers; and in 2005 Roddy White went 27th to the Falcons.
None carried the talent grade of Bryant on their draft cards. But Harvin was invited to the Pro Bowl in his first year, Nicks and Bowe collected 1,000-yard seasons in their second years, and Britt and Thomas each had a 200-yard receiving game on the books before entering their third seasons.
All had lesser quarterbacks than Tony Romo throwing them passes with the possible exception of Nicks — and that remains a tasty topic of discussion locally as to which team has the better quarterback, the Cowboys or Giants. If you think it’s Romo, then Bryant definitely has been underachieving. The better the quarterback, the better the receiver. Ask Irvin.
Nicks had six 100-yard games in his first two seasons and Bowe, Britt, Harvin and Holmes four apiece. Bryant’s best game was a 104-yard effort against the Giants in 2010. He should be a far better receiver than he’s shown thus far.
Looking back, the biggest victory by the Cowboys last season came in San Francisco against the 13-3 49ers. Ironically, that was the one game Bryant did not play in 2011.
In the six games veteran Pro Bowler Miles Austin missed because of injury last season, the Cowboys needed Bryant to perform like the Pro Bowler they believe he can be. But Laurent Robinson, who was signed off the streets last September, was the more productive receiver with more catches and more yards than Bryant during Austin’s absence.
Now Robinson is gone. And Austin is two years removed from his Pro Bowl standing as one of the best receivers in the game. It’s time for Dez Bryant to show up as an elite receiver. He’s overdue.
On the positive side, both Holmes and White made breakthroughs in their third seasons. Holmes was named the Super Bowl MVP and White earned his first Pro Bowl invitation with his 83-catch, 1,202-yard showing for the Falcons.
Maybe the third year will be the breakthrough season for Bryant as well. Regardless, it’s time for him to start making more noise on the field than off.
titled NOT SO HOT in the print version:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/columnists/rick-gosselin/20120718-gosselin-dez-bryant-has-yet-to-show-his-special-talent-on-or-off-the-field.ece
Gosselin: Dez Bryant has yet to show his 'special' talent on or off the field
All too often the focus on Dez Bryant has been off the field.
With the Cowboys opening training camp next week, let’s shift the focus back to Bryant on the field. While his conduct off the field has been discouraging, his play on the field has been disappointing.
Let’s return to April 2010. I went back to my draft notes to see what NFL talent evaluators were saying about Bryant coming out of Oklahoma State. He was off the draft boards of some teams because of character concerns, but there was no questioning his ability.
“If he was clean of character, he’d be a top 10 pick,” said one NFL GM.
“Football-wise, he’s Andre Johnson with better quickness,” said an NFC scout. “Athletically, he’s a freak. He’s the third best player in this draft, but …”
That “but” — concerns for his maturity and character — triggered his slide from the top 10 talent-wise to the Cowboys, who finally claimed him at No. 24 on a trade-up. Bryant wasn’t even the first wide receiver taken.
So it was with great expectations that the Cowboys welcomed Bryant to Valley Ranch. There would always be concerns about him off the field, but when Bryant was on the field, the Cowboys believed they stole a playmaker whose talents could rival those of the franchise’s resident Hall of Famer Michael Irvin.
Jerry Jones believed Bryant was worth the risk. Dez was that special a talent.
But the Cowboys have yet to see “special” from Bryant in his two seasons thus far.
There were 82 different NFL receivers who managed 100-yard games in 2011. Bryant was not one of them. He has played 27 career games now and collected 100 yards in just one of them. Dez is still looking for his first 1,000-yard season as well as his first Pro Bowl invitation as he heads into Year 3 of his career.
Let’s look at some other receivers in recent years selected in Bryant’s draft range. Demaryius Thomas went ahead of Bryant in the 2010 draft, going to the Broncos on the 22nd selection. In the 2009 draft Percy Harvin went 22nd to the Vikings, Hakeem Nicks 29th to the Giants and Kenny Britt 30th to the Titans. In 2007 Dwayne Bowe went 23rd to the Chiefs; in 2006 Santonio Holmes went 25th to the Steelers; and in 2005 Roddy White went 27th to the Falcons.
None carried the talent grade of Bryant on their draft cards. But Harvin was invited to the Pro Bowl in his first year, Nicks and Bowe collected 1,000-yard seasons in their second years, and Britt and Thomas each had a 200-yard receiving game on the books before entering their third seasons.
All had lesser quarterbacks than Tony Romo throwing them passes with the possible exception of Nicks — and that remains a tasty topic of discussion locally as to which team has the better quarterback, the Cowboys or Giants. If you think it’s Romo, then Bryant definitely has been underachieving. The better the quarterback, the better the receiver. Ask Irvin.
Nicks had six 100-yard games in his first two seasons and Bowe, Britt, Harvin and Holmes four apiece. Bryant’s best game was a 104-yard effort against the Giants in 2010. He should be a far better receiver than he’s shown thus far.
Looking back, the biggest victory by the Cowboys last season came in San Francisco against the 13-3 49ers. Ironically, that was the one game Bryant did not play in 2011.
In the six games veteran Pro Bowler Miles Austin missed because of injury last season, the Cowboys needed Bryant to perform like the Pro Bowler they believe he can be. But Laurent Robinson, who was signed off the streets last September, was the more productive receiver with more catches and more yards than Bryant during Austin’s absence.
Now Robinson is gone. And Austin is two years removed from his Pro Bowl standing as one of the best receivers in the game. It’s time for Dez Bryant to show up as an elite receiver. He’s overdue.
On the positive side, both Holmes and White made breakthroughs in their third seasons. Holmes was named the Super Bowl MVP and White earned his first Pro Bowl invitation with his 83-catch, 1,202-yard showing for the Falcons.
Maybe the third year will be the breakthrough season for Bryant as well. Regardless, it’s time for him to start making more noise on the field than off.
Faust
MVP
loqutis
Footballguy
One point Loqutis....this will be fun to point back to
How? You dont even know the true story yet....whatever..I will give you a point..Work ethic has been documented as strong...one point DansRamsOne point Loqutis
loqutis
Footballguy
The true story is... He's an immature punk, who had the cops called on him by his own mother. Who has yet to put together a complete game, and who plays for a team that doesn't plan to offer him a second contract
Does he need to fall off the back of a pickup truck before you admit he's a lost cause.
, Dude, it's not just a river in Egypt.
Does he need to fall off the back of a pickup truck before you admit he's a lost cause.
, Dude, it's not just a river in Egypt.
massraider
Footballguy
Uh, what? What has been documented is he can't play more than one half of an NFL game without getting oxygen.'DansRams said:Work ethic has been documented as strong...one point DansRams
Think he meant this offseason. There has been a lot of positive chatter about Bryant's work ethic improving. Not saying it's true, but maybe it's worth half a point. A third? A tenth?Uh, what? What has been documented is he can't play more than one half of an NFL game without getting oxygen.'DansRams said:Work ethic has been documented as strong...one point DansRams
It has been documented he has worked hard and is in great shape this offseasonUh, what? What has been documented is he can't play more than one half of an NFL game without getting oxygen.'DansRams said:Work ethic has been documented as strong...one point DansRams
Dude, Jump of your box. You are starting to sound like an imature punk yourself. We are playing fantasy football here. Not measuring if someone is going to make it to the "Good People" Hall of Fame.A lost cause??
maybe you were talking about this thread???? 
Cause I would agree this thread is a lost cause.And comparing him to Chris Henry???? Really??? 
