Official Dez Bryant (1 Viewer)

[duaneok66]

I opened this thread for the same reason.

I (seriously) thought he was a top 3 receiver.

 

[MattFancy]

I fell asleep and didn't watch much of the game. I see Romo only threw for 104yds. Were the Bears getting pressure on him or something?

 

[JuniorNB]

4 targets last night. What an awesome game plan.

 

[jurb26]

Posted it in the game thread. Seems it should be posted here as well.

Dez has 119 targets on the year. That's 11th in the NFL. He's averaging over 9 per game. The targets thing is completely overblown.

 

[Landro21]

As a Packers homer and a Dez owner. I can confidently say this is not the week to bench him.

 

[Phenix]

Posted it in the game thread. Seems it should be posted here as well.

Dez has 119 targets on the year. That's 11th in the NFL. He's averaging over 9 per game. The targets thing is completely overblown.

Not really, you got to feed your best player, non stop. See Detroit, they throw it to Calvin if he is covered by everyone.

No excuse for Dez not to blow up every week with his talent, gotta give ur stars a chance to succeed.

THROW HIM THE BALL, why they constantly throw to Williams I will not understand.

 

[jurb26]

Dez isn't as good as Calvin and Dal has far better surrounding options than Det. There is no need at all for Dez to see Calvin like targets.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

Dez isn't as good as Calvin and Dal has far better surrounding options than Det. There is no need at all for Dez to see Calvin like targets.

Dallas's results say otherwise.

 

[Phenix]

Dez isn't as good as Calvin and Dal has far better surrounding options than Det. There is no need at all for Dez to see Calvin like targets.

Dallas's results say otherwise.

Exactly. I am a Calvin lover, but since he is in the league no other WR can be good or deserves a healthy level of Targets.

You are right, glad we accomplished something here.

 

[jurb26]

Dez isn't as good as Calvin and Dal has far better surrounding options than Det. There is no need at all for Dez to see Calvin like targets.

Dallas's results say otherwise.

You mean the Dal team with the same record as perennial winners, Det?

 

[jurb26]

The issue is Dez owners and they're ridiculous expectations.

I'm a Dez owner too, btw.

 

[Phenix]

Dez isn't as good as Calvin and Dal has far better surrounding options than Det. There is no need at all for Dez to see Calvin like targets.

Dallas's results say otherwise.

You mean the Dal team with the same record as perennial winners, Det?

So maybe they wouldn't have the same record if Dez got more targets, thats the point.

Thanks for making the point for us.

 

[Phenix]

The issue is Dez owners and they're ridiculous expectations.

More than 2 catches for 12 yards are ridiculous expectations? Dang, wish i knew.

Dude you are losing this battle fo Dez should get more targets and its not close.

 

[jurb26]

Keep telling yourself that. Targets fluctuate. It's the nature of the beast. Every time Dez doesn't get 10 in a game we get the water works from guys like you.

The numbers don't lie. He's right on pace as a high level WR1 for targets. He's got 12 TDs this year. It's been a good season.

 

[parasaurolophus]

The issue is Dez owners and they're ridiculous expectations.

I'm a Dez owner too, btw.

There are tons of receivers right now that are getting force fed the ball and putting up monster numbers. Dez goes stretches where there is literally nothing thrown his way.

Now some of this is on Dez. He has had some drops and stretches where it just seems he cant hold onto anything. You can definitely see he sells out the run sometimes too, which I am sure pisses QB's and RB's off.

But the guy has a heap of talent and the cowboys arent playing well right now. Would seem logical to try and exploit such a matchup. You would think on some of these third and longs they might just try and toss it deep with a ton of air under it and give him a shot. Worst case it is like a punt. It could be 3rd and 12 and dallas will have 3 guys run 5 yard patterns. Just seems a bit crazy.

But what do i know, I didn't stay at a holiday inn express last night.

 

[jurb26]

Dal had Murray ripping off runs at 8 yds a pop and Romo only threw 20 times last night.

I'd love to know how forcing the ball to Dez was going to win them the game.

 

[danielmclark]

Dal had Murray ripping off runs at 8 yds a pop and Romo only threw 20 times last night.

I'd love to know how forcing the ball to Dez was going to win them the game.

Because Murray can't put up 7 TD's on his own to beat the Bears?

 

[johnnyboy8102]

Two of the targets last night were terribly overthrown (I am sure the wind played a factor).

Dez is becoming very TD dependent as he has not had a big yardage game in awhile.

It would be nice to take a few shots down field to him or some short quick throws to give him a chance for some YAC.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Dez isn't as good as Calvin and Dal has far better surrounding options than Det. There is no need at all for Dez to see Calvin like targets.

Who are these far better surrounding options Dallas has than Detroit? Williams is a rookie and learning, Austin is not near as good as he used to be, then you have Bryant, Witten, and Murray. Detroit has Bush, Bell, Johnson, and Burleson. Durham is still learning, and Pettigrew has been disappointing.

 

[JuniorNB]

I believe Dez had 17 targets one week, so that is making his average seem higher. I"ve watched every Dallas game and it's painfully obvious that Romo doesn't look Dez's way nearly enough. Talent wise, Dez is in the elite tier with the Calvins and Gordons and Julios and should be getting the same targets. Good teams gameplan around getting their freakish athletes the ball. Dez had four targets last night. In a shootout. No excuse whatsoever.

 

[Rick James]

maybe Dez runs terrible routes? You think Romo doesn't want to throw it to him?

 

[chad in Indy]

My problem lies more with the play designs. A lot of targets Dez gets are either hitch routes or fades only. The cowboys rarely move him to the slot or run him in bunch formations in an attempt to get him the ball in space or moving across the field. The is my biggest disappointment. His targets don't accurately reflect what he is capable of because of this. Detroit does a good job of this with Calvin and DN was a phenomenal job with Thomas. If they did this, I could see greater production on even fewer targets.

 

[jurb26]

My problem lies more with the play designs. A lot of targets Dez gets are either hitch routes or fades only. The cowboys rarely move him to the slot or run him in bunch formations in an attempt to get him the ball in space or moving across the field. The is my biggest disappointment. His targets don't accurately reflect what he is capable of because of this. Detroit does a good job of this with Calvin and DN was a phenomenal job with Thomas. If they did this, I could see greater production on even fewer targets.

They don't do that because they have Witten doing those things.

 

[JuniorNB]

My problem lies more with the play designs. A lot of targets Dez gets are either hitch routes or fades only. The cowboys rarely move him to the slot or run him in bunch formations in an attempt to get him the ball in space or moving across the field. The is my biggest disappointment. His targets don't accurately reflect what he is capable of because of this. Detroit does a good job of this with Calvin and DN was a phenomenal job with Thomas. If they did this, I could see greater production on even fewer targets.

They don't do that because they have Witten doing those things.

You're underestimating the importance of not being predictable. We know they have Witten doing that. So does every one else. See the problem here?

 

[fantasycurse42]

My problem lies more with the play designs. A lot of targets Dez gets are either hitch routes or fades only. The cowboys rarely move him to the slot or run him in bunch formations in an attempt to get him the ball in space or moving across the field. The is my biggest disappointment. His targets don't accurately reflect what he is capable of because of this. Detroit does a good job of this with Calvin and DN was a phenomenal job with Thomas. If they did this, I could see greater production on even fewer targets.

This...

They line him out wide every play... Never move him around, motion, bunch, nothing! They make it easy and predictable for defenses.

Hopefully they go back to the drawing board this week and realize a 2/12 line with a dynamic playmaker isn't a winning formula.

This now reserved offense they are attempting is terrible... They need to let Romo go out and sling it - They have to take the good with the bad in that situation, their only chance of doing any damage.

 

[stbugs]

My problem lies more with the play designs. A lot of targets Dez gets are either hitch routes or fades only. The cowboys rarely move him to the slot or run him in bunch formations in an attempt to get him the ball in space or moving across the field. The is my biggest disappointment. His targets don't accurately reflect what he is capable of because of this. Detroit does a good job of this with Calvin and DN was a phenomenal job with Thomas. If they did this, I could see greater production on even fewer targets.

Agreed. Some of you may have seen a game where Dez was not getting thrown to and the announcers mentioned it (they didn't get the lack of targets either) and said they never move him around. Next play they mention he is in the slot and it was something like a 40 yard reception down the middle. Then, nothing.

I sort of disagree with jurb. He has gotten targets, but in a game you lose by 21, your #1 WR gets 4 targets? I understand Murray was running well, but you don't use play action fakes? Their game planning seems terrible. They are one of the oddest teams. They try not to lose (see Brees against Carolina for an example of not taking your feet off of the pedal) and don't take advantage of what is working. They run until they have to pass, instead of using a great running game to take some shots. Then, if they fall behind, they curl up in a ball and give up.

 

[jurb26]

My problem lies more with the play designs. A lot of targets Dez gets are either hitch routes or fades only. The cowboys rarely move him to the slot or run him in bunch formations in an attempt to get him the ball in space or moving across the field. The is my biggest disappointment. His targets don't accurately reflect what he is capable of because of this. Detroit does a good job of this with Calvin and DN was a phenomenal job with Thomas. If they did this, I could see greater production on even fewer targets.

They don't do that because they have Witten doing those things.

You're underestimating the importance of not being predictable. We know they have Witten doing that. So does every one else. See the problem here?

Have you ever considered that Dal has a reason for that? Those slot routes/movement routes in the Dal offense are general option routes in which the receiver is required to read the D on the run and adjust to the proper route, depth and timing. Maybe, just maybe Witten is better at these things, more reliable and trusted more than Dez.

 

[fantasycurse42]

My problem lies more with the play designs. A lot of targets Dez gets are either hitch routes or fades only. The cowboys rarely move him to the slot or run him in bunch formations in an attempt to get him the ball in space or moving across the field. The is my biggest disappointment. His targets don't accurately reflect what he is capable of because of this. Detroit does a good job of this with Calvin and DN was a phenomenal job with Thomas. If they did this, I could see greater production on even fewer targets.

They don't do that because they have Witten doing those things.

You're underestimating the importance of not being predictable. We know they have Witten doing that. So does every one else. See the problem here?

Have you ever considered that Dal has a reason for that? Those slot routes/movement routes in the Dal offense are general option routes in which the receiver is required to read the D on the run and adjust to the proper route, depth and timing. Maybe, just maybe Witten is better at these things, more reliable and trusted more than Dez.

If this is the case, their WR coach needs to be fired yesterday

 

[stbugs]

My problem lies more with the play designs. A lot of targets Dez gets are either hitch routes or fades only. The cowboys rarely move him to the slot or run him in bunch formations in an attempt to get him the ball in space or moving across the field. The is my biggest disappointment. His targets don't accurately reflect what he is capable of because of this. Detroit does a good job of this with Calvin and DN was a phenomenal job with Thomas. If they did this, I could see greater production on even fewer targets.

This...

They line him out wide every play... Never move him around, motion, bunch, nothing! They make it easy and predictable for defenses.

Hopefully they go back to the drawing board this week and realize a 2/12 line with a dynamic playmaker isn't a winning formula.

This now reserved offense they are attempting is terrible... They need to let Romo go out and sling it - They have to take the good with the bad in that situation, their only chance of doing any damage.

It is atrociously bad. It reminds me of Carolina when they were 1-3. You could see in the first four games they were trying to hold Newton back, keep it simple and be conservative. It didn't work, they took the reigns off and boom, Newton plays really well and an 8 game winning streak.

Look at Brees as a good example, you never feel like he is out of a game and if he is a ahead, he doesn't go into "let's not lose this" game planning. Imagine Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees and any one else with a heart last night. You think down 28 in the 3rd quarter, they are going to be satisfied with running every play? Run the ball, it works, but 5-8 minute drives to score aren't going to get you back in the game.

You can even see it in the decisions. 4th and 2, you are running the ball for 8 ypc, so you punt. Then later in the game, you realize what an idiot you were before and you go for it on 4th and 9 and throw an aborted screen pass. Romo threw the ball into the ground to not get sacked. That is the whole coaching philosophy in a nutshell. I'm pretty sure coaches like Belichick don't base their game plan on thinking about their previous bad decisions. They find the weakness, exploit it and then when the D adjusts to that, they expose something else.

 

[jurb26]

My problem lies more with the play designs. A lot of targets Dez gets are either hitch routes or fades only. The cowboys rarely move him to the slot or run him in bunch formations in an attempt to get him the ball in space or moving across the field. The is my biggest disappointment. His targets don't accurately reflect what he is capable of because of this. Detroit does a good job of this with Calvin and DN was a phenomenal job with Thomas. If they did this, I could see greater production on even fewer targets.

They don't do that because they have Witten doing those things.

You're underestimating the importance of not being predictable. We know they have Witten doing that. So does every one else. See the problem here?

Have you ever considered that Dal has a reason for that? Those slot routes/movement routes in the Dal offense are general option routes in which the receiver is required to read the D on the run and adjust to the proper route, depth and timing. Maybe, just maybe Witten is better at these things, more reliable and trusted more than Dez.

If this is the case, their WR coach needs to be fired yesterday

He should be fired because of a HOF TE playing on his team?

 

[stbugs]

My problem lies more with the play designs. A lot of targets Dez gets are either hitch routes or fades only. The cowboys rarely move him to the slot or run him in bunch formations in an attempt to get him the ball in space or moving across the field. The is my biggest disappointment. His targets don't accurately reflect what he is capable of because of this. Detroit does a good job of this with Calvin and DN was a phenomenal job with Thomas. If they did this, I could see greater production on even fewer targets.

They don't do that because they have Witten doing those things.

You're underestimating the importance of not being predictable. We know they have Witten doing that. So does every one else. See the problem here?

Have you ever considered that Dal has a reason for that? Those slot routes/movement routes in the Dal offense are general option routes in which the receiver is required to read the D on the run and adjust to the proper route, depth and timing. Maybe, just maybe Witten is better at these things, more reliable and trusted more than Dez.

And that would explain why Witten had 1 reception last night or is that because someone else is more reliable and trusted than Witten and Dez?

 

[jurb26]

Witten had 3 targets and Romo only threw 20 times.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Have you ever considered that Dal has a reason for that? Those slot routes/movement routes in the Dal offense are general option routes in which the receiver is required to read the D on the run and adjust to the proper route, depth and timing. Maybe, just maybe Witten is better at these things, more reliable and trusted more than Dez.

If this is the case, their WR coach needs to be fired yesterday

He should be fired because of a HOF TE playing on his team?

What does Derek Dooley the wide receiver coach, have to do with Wes Phillips the tight end coach?

If Dez Bryant doesn't understand reading the coverage, route running, & timing, then your wide receiver coach needs to go...

 

[jurb26]

I never said he doesn't understand it. Only that Witten is better at it.

 

[duaneok66]

Some of you guys think that Romo and Garrett don't want to win. Why would they NOT throw it to Dez if he's open??

Anyone have a logical, rational response??

Can you at least give Dez SOME of the blame???

 

[fantasycurse42]

Some of you guys think that Romo and Garrett don't want to win. Why would they NOT throw it to Dez if he's open??

Anyone have a logical, rational response??

Can you at least give Dez SOME of the blame???

Can't throw the ball to himself. Can't call plays.

Pretty tough when he lines up in the same spot and runs 1 of 3 routes all season long.

All parties have responsibility here, but if I am placing blame it goes coaching > Romo > Dez

 

[duaneok66]

I just think you aren't blaming the player enough.

It's not like Garrett wakes up every morning and goes "I wonder who our best playmaker is. Man, we have GOT to find a way to get Cole Beasley and Dwayne Harris the ball. Those guys make plays!"

I honestly don't know why Bryant has underperformed. I came here to get some reasons why. The obligatory "He's on my fantasy team so I am blaming the coach" response is getting old.

 

[jurb26]

Percentage of team targets.

V. Jackson, 31.3 Wow!

Garcon, 30 wow!

Green, 29.6

Calvin, 28.2 (removing his missed game)

Andre, 28.2

Marshall, 27.2

Shorts, 26.5

A. Brown, 26.3

Jeffery, 26.2

Gordon, 25.9 (removing 1st 2 games)

Dez, 25.6

Edit to add Jeffery.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Teams who have dynamic playmakers usually give them a chance to make plays. I am not sure if it is Romo or the playcalling....but it seems like Romo hesitates on driving the ball down the field. He appears to be playing not to lose at this point. Stafford will throw to Calvin even when he is triple-covered.....heck even McCown will give Jeffery several chances a game to make contested catches. Maybe Dez is not as dynamic as I thought........maybe Romo is trying to not make the big mistake......maybe the playcalling lacks creativity........

 

[parasaurolophus]

Some of you guys think that Romo and Garrett don't want to win. Why would they NOT throw it to Dez if he's open??

Anyone have a logical, rational response??

Can you at least give Dez SOME of the blame???

In today's NFL tons of pass plays have the qb throwing to a spot whether the WR is open or not. It is practically robotic. That is why you can still see Manning throw the ball into triple coverage sometimes. You think he sees three guys and says wth I will throw it in there. On tons of deep routes the qb is throwing the ball when the CB and WR are step for step.

So while Dez certainly may not be open on lots of plays, neither is Alshon Jeffery on lots of these plays. The difference is his QB chucks it up there instead of at the feet of the RB so he can quick get back to the propane.

 

[jurb26]

I just think you aren't blaming the player enough.

It's not like Garrett wakes up every morning and goes "I wonder who our best playmaker is. Man, we have GOT to find a way to get Cole Beasley and Dwayne Harris the ball. Those guys make plays!"

I honestly don't know why Bryant has underperformed. I came here to get some reasons why. The obligatory "He's on my fantasy team so I am blaming the coach" response is getting old.

It really is getting old. Every time he has a low target total we get this water works show. There is more to it than just targets, which I contest aren't really the problem. He's in the top tier of all players both in mass number and percentage.I think Romo is absolutely part of the problem.

 

[JuniorNB]

I just think you aren't blaming the player enough.

It's not like Garrett wakes up every morning and goes "I wonder who our best playmaker is. Man, we have GOT to find a way to get Cole Beasley and Dwayne Harris the ball. Those guys make plays!"

I honestly don't know why Bryant has underperformed. I came here to get some reasons why. The obligatory "He's on my fantasy team so I am blaming the coach" response is getting old.

Not sure if you watch the games, but this isn't a case of Romo looking Dez's way and he's not getting separation. Romo gets the snap and, many times, never even looks to Bryant's side of the field. As a Dez owner, I'm watching where he's lined up and it's frustrating as hell to see pass play after pass play where Romo never even looks to his side of the field. Now watch Stafford or Dalton otr Campbell. First look is their stud receiver 75% of the time. Then they progress from there.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Teams who have dynamic playmakers usually give them a chance to make plays. I am not sure if it is Romo or the playcalling....but it seems like Romo hesitates on driving the ball down the field. He appears to be playing not to lose at this point. Stafford will throw to Calvin even when he is triple-covered.....heck even McCown will give Jeffery several chances a game to make contested catches. Maybe Dez is not as dynamic as I thought........maybe Romo is trying to not make the big mistake......maybe the playcalling lacks creativity........

Dez is supremely talented, which is why you have to look at what else could cause him to not go over 85 yards in 6 weeks.

When the ball is catchable, I have faith that he'll make the play.

 

[JuniorNB]

Percentage of team targets.

V. Jackson, 31.3 Wow!

Garcon, 30 wow!

Green, 29.6

Calvin, 28.2 (removing his missed game)

Andre, 28.2

Marshall, 27.2

Shorts, 26.5

A. Brown, 26.3

Gordon, 25.9 (removing 1st 2 games)

Dez, 25.6

Where's the link to your source? Is this including last night's game?

 

[duaneok66]

I just think you aren't blaming the player enough.

It's not like Garrett wakes up every morning and goes "I wonder who our best playmaker is. Man, we have GOT to find a way to get Cole Beasley and Dwayne Harris the ball. Those guys make plays!"

I honestly don't know why Bryant has underperformed. I came here to get some reasons why. The obligatory "He's on my fantasy team so I am blaming the coach" response is getting old.

Not sure if you watch the games, but this isn't a case of Romo looking Dez's way and he's not getting separation. Romo gets the snap and, many times, never even looks to Bryant's side of the field. As a Dez owner, I'm watching where he's lined up and it's frustrating as hell to see pass play after pass play where Romo never even looks to his side of the field. Now watch Stafford or Dalton otr Campbell. First look is their stud receiver 75% of the time. Then they progress from there.

I am not, but is that really what Romo is doing?

 

[parasaurolophus]

Percentage of team targets.

V. Jackson, 31.3 Wow!

Garcon, 30 wow!

Green, 29.6

Calvin, 28.2 (removing his missed game)

Andre, 28.2

Marshall, 27.2

Shorts, 26.5

A. Brown, 26.3

Gordon, 25.9 (removing 1st 2 games)

Dez, 25.6

Where's the link to your source? Is this including last night's game?

Terrible data. He did targets vs. completions.

 

[jurb26]

Dez isn't as good as Calvin and Dal has far better surrounding options than Det. There is no need at all for Dez to see Calvin like targets.

Who are these far better surrounding options Dallas has than Detroit? Williams is a rookie and learning, Austin is not near as good as he used to be, then you have Bryant, Witten, and Murray. Detroit has Bush, Bell, Johnson, and Burleson. Durham is still learning, and Pettigrew has been disappointing.

I don't know, Det has a league leading 38 drops this year. Maybe we could start there...

 

[parasaurolophus]

Percentage of team targets.

V. Jackson, 31.3 Wow!

Garcon, 30 wow!

Green, 29.6

Calvin, 28.2 (removing his missed game)

Andre, 28.2

Marshall, 27.2

Shorts, 26.5

A. Brown, 26.3

Gordon, 25.9 (removing 1st 2 games)

Dez, 25.6

Where's the link to your source? Is this including last night's game?

Terrible data. He did targets vs. completions.

nevermind, looked at wrong column.

 

[jurb26]

Percentage of team targets.

V. Jackson, 31.3 Wow!

Garcon, 30 wow!

Green, 29.6

Calvin, 28.2 (removing his missed game)

Andre, 28.2

Marshall, 27.2

Shorts, 26.5

A. Brown, 26.3

Gordon, 25.9 (removing 1st 2 games)

Dez, 25.6

Where's the link to your source? Is this including last night's game?

Terrible data. He did targets vs. completions.

No, I took the passes attempted by each team and the targets for each WR. I removed games not played from the totals.

 

[JuniorNB]

Percentage of team targets.

V. Jackson, 31.3 Wow!

Garcon, 30 wow!

Green, 29.6

Calvin, 28.2 (removing his missed game)

Andre, 28.2

Marshall, 27.2

Shorts, 26.5

A. Brown, 26.3

Gordon, 25.9 (removing 1st 2 games)

Dez, 25.6

Where's the link to your source? Is this including last night's game?

Terrible data. He did targets vs. completions.

No, I took the passes attempted by each team and the targets for each WR. I removed games not played from the totals.

Link? And does it include last night's 4 target game?