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***Official*** Dwayne Washington, RB, DET (1 Viewer)

How was this guy only a 7th round draft pick? It seems like he has all the measurables to be an every down back.
Well, he also had pretty minimal college production.  He flashed talent all the time, but only had about 200 career college carries.  Was stuck behind Sankey his freshman year, and Myles Gaskin showed up and took the starting RB job last year.

 
Speaking of NFL draft round and FF production I seem to remember this pretty good undrafted RB named Priest Holmes.

 
I didn't realize some of you had Enron on your resume  :D

I did exactly what you all are describing or crediting the staff, I had a spot as my 5th/6th RB, already have a strong RB1-2-3-4, so to crack that it would need to be a HR type, this fit/fills the bill for right now. 

No ill will on Riddick, I hope if/when we see Washington it's because he is making plays and coaches have to get him the ball. 

I would like to see him get 6-8 touches this week and see what he does, if he can push that to consistent 10+ touches a week, he should have some real value. 

 
I would argue that Arizona didn't really spend 1st or 2nd round draft picks on RBs, aside from Thomas Jones and Beanie Wells. Wells was a bust, but Jones had a pretty good career. So, not a really good comparison, considering DET spent a lot of 1st and 2nd round picks on them in the last 15 years.
Since 2000, Detroit has drafted the following RBs in the top-2 rounds:
2004 - Kevin Jones - 2nd (career ended by a lisfranc injury)
2010 - Jahvid Best - 1st (career ended by concussions)
2011 - Mikel Leshoure - 2nd (just kinda sucked)
2015 - Ameer Abdullah - 2nd (now hurt - possible lisfranc)

Since 2000, Arizona has drafted the following RBs in the top-2 rounds:
2000 - Thomas Jones - 1st (sucked in Arizona; good career thereafter)
2005 - JJ Arrington - 2nd (just kinda sucked)
2009 - Beanie Wells - 1st (meh - did have a lot of injuries, but wasn't good around the injuries either)
2011 - Ryan Williams - 2nd (injuries -- had so much hope for this guy; so good at Va Tech)

My point isn't to say "you're wrong!"  My point is simply that Arizona too drafted RBs in the first two rounds as frequently as Detroit did since 2000, and you could argue they had just as much trouble finding one.  At least Detroit ID'd the right talents aside from Leshoure -- their guys just got hurt.  Wells and Arrington were Busts, IMO.  So while the sample sizes are small, Arizona's been worse at finding a RB... until they found one in David Johnson last year.  Therein lies what I'm trying to say... the history of the franchise has no real merit on Washinton's talent or lack thereof, just like Arizona's history had no merit on David Johnson's chances for success.

 
You mean Kevin Jones my friend.  He fizzled out too soon.
Wasn't so much a fizzle as medical science didn't help him out.  He was great, until he suffered the dreaded lisfranc injury, and we didn't really have the type of surgeries we do now to fix it back then.  Ruined his career... I owned him his second year -- the year he got hurt -- so much promise after that rookie year where he balled out for 1100+ yards at 4.7 per carry and added 28 receptions back when RBs didn't catch the ball that much (at least not most of the lead backs).  He was a really good back that just got hurt...

ETA -- I didn't realize how great of a size/speed freak he was.  Jones was 6' 227lbs and ran a personal best 10.59 100M in high school.  He skipped combine workouts as one of the clear top RBs in his class, so we have no metrics on his agility, and nothing but rumors on his speed... which was supposedly in the 4.3s.


 

 
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You do know that Washington is a far superior receiver to zenner?? He also passed him on the depth chart in just a few weeks. 
Sure, but I was talking more in terms of pass blocking. It makes sense for Washington to be active ahead of Zenner as a 3rd guy because he plays on STs and they can bring him in on running downs to pound it. But if they don't trust him to protect, it's going to affect his time. Maybe they do, and maybe Zenner's no better at those things, but it's worth monitoring. 

Bell played a ton last season over a higher draft pick for that reason, despite being a sub-replacement level runner. They also kicked his tires again this week. Whitaker 'beat' Artis-Payne on the depth chart each of the past two seasons before getting vaulted when Stewart got hurt. People here in New Orleans wondered why Chris Ivory never got more burn despite being the team's best pure runner. Pass protection matters. DW is a very high upside play, but it's not yet a slam dunk. 

FWIW, I hope you're right; I picked up plenty of Washington this week. 

 
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Waldman is VERY high on him.  For those of you who read the RSP every year take a look at what he had to say.  It's the reason I started following Washington this preseason.  Waldman feels that if he gets a chance he has the talent to be an elite stud Rb in the NFL for years. 

 
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How was this guy only a 7th round draft pick? It seems like he has all the measurables to be an every down back.

Washington (6'1/223) left school as a redshirt junior despite making just 13 starts, logging 1,311 yards and 17 touchdowns on 226 carries (5.8 YPC) and catching 41 passes. He missed the final four games of 2015 with an ankle injury. A terrific athlete, Washington ripped up the UW Pro Day with a 4.44 forty, 10-foot-7 broad jump, and strong agility scores. Washington is still developing as an inside runner

A far simpler explanation would probably be most NFL Teams who noticed Dwayne, and wanted a closer look?  They probably planned to bring him into camp UDFA..

Theres just no conclusive evidence based off of a solid Collegiate career.. 

Not to mention such things as which College, Coach, Record?

Read this blurb on another player (undrafted) http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2637706-7-undrafted-players-who-could-make-nfl-rosters-in-2016/page/5

“I think a lot of scouts did not have the chance to watch me play,” Pressley said, per Rick Wright of the Albuquerque Journal. “They’ve seen my highlights, but not in person.”

 
Waksman is VERY high on him.  For those of you who read the RSP every year take a look at what he had to say.  It's the reason I started following Washington this preseason.  Waksman feels that if he gets a chance he has the talent to be an elite stud Rb in the NFL for years. 
Waksman??

 
Waksman is VERY high on him.  For those of you who read the RSP every year take a look at what he had to say.  It's the reason I started following Washington this preseason.  Waksman feels that if he gets a chance he has the talent to be an elite stud Rb in the NFL for years. 
Read Walksman's current Gut Check.

 
Wasn't so much a fizzle as medical science didn't help him out.  He was great, until he suffered the dreaded lisfranc injury, and we didn't really have the type of surgeries we do now to fix it back then.  Ruined his career... I owned him his second year -- the year he got hurt -- so much promise after that rookie year where he balled out for 1100+ yards at 4.7 per carry and added 28 receptions back when RBs didn't catch the ball that much (at least not most of the lead backs).  He was a really good back that just got hurt...

ETA -- I didn't realize how great of a size/speed freak he was.  Jones was 6' 227lbs and ran a personal best 10.59 100M in high school.  He skipped combine workouts as one of the clear top RBs in his class, so we have no metrics on his agility, and nothing but rumors on his speed... which was supposedly in the 4.3s.


 
You are correct.  I stand corrected.  My kids are part of Hokie Nation and we're there when KJ was and we were disappointed his NFL career was cut short and did not live up to expectations.  

Back to the topic...if Dwayne Washington can even approach the physical potential of KJ then he has a shot to be relevant. 

Nice comp. Thanks for sharing.

 
Waksman is VERY high on him.  For those of you who read the RSP every year take a look at what he had to say.  It's the reason I started following Washington this preseason.  Waksman feels that if he gets a chance he has the talent to be an elite stud Rb in the NFL for years. 
Fixed. WALDMAN. Stupid autocorrect 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Go back to when he was with the Huskies, why did he lose his job to a freshman?
He played poorly on purpose so he could be the next out-of-no-where-super-stud-fantasy-league-winner... duh.

 
He runs hard, he runs fast, he can take and deliver punishment, he can catch.  Give me a guy like that any day over a scatback or a Tolbert type of back.

 
1st Run: I like how he found the big hole or opening towards his right as he was moving left, nicely done, good excelaration in the hole, he had a couple guys closing in and he scooted by no problem. 

2nd Run: I like the way he bounced off the tackler, good speed and vision on the draw. Good play call and caught Tennessee thinking pass. 

3rd run: 54 MLB was unblocked because the pulling Guard got caught at the LOS and had to almost double block, by the time he arrived it was over for Washington. 

4th run: They were all over the play call, he had nowhere to go really IMO. 

Awesome whoever is putting that together, wonderful information. 

 
Physically and in terms of combine measurables his best comp is David Johnson IMO.

The disconnect is the 7th round draft selection and the vast gulf in college volume.  Those aren't minor things -- they're huge things.  But the raw ability seems to be there.  

So if, say, it was the incredible fumble rate (or some other not-talent, not-work-ethic, not-character reason) that saw him drop into the 7th he's a great bet for FF (where being wrong costs you next to nothing).  The problem is that we don't know exactly why he fell.  Fumble rates can be fixed.  Idiocy and/or character typically don't change much.

 
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How was this guy only a 7th round draft pick? It seems like he has all the measurables to be an every down back.
Part of it is the complete devaluing of the position by NFL teams/scouts/execs.  There's a lot of talent at the RB position in the 5th, 6th, 7th rounds. 

A basic hard nosed runner isn't worth much.....and I wouldn't be surprised if NFL teams are looking at ability to pass protect (because let's be honest, most of these guys in DIV 1-A are all already exeptional athletes) and the ability to pick up a blitz as paramount in their running backs, with pass catching second. 

 
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This is kinda why you can't judge a RB draftee's future based on the circumstances he's drafted into. I know Washington hasn't done anything yet, but its a good reminder as his value could soon skyrocket (or disappear, of course).

Some worried about David Johnson being drafted onto a team with Andre Ellington (while some said he was a bigger, better version, yes), Stepfon Taylor (who some liked and some called a scrub, yes), and who signed a surprisingly good looking Chris Johnson. 

Another decent example: Christine Michael being drafted onto a team with Beastmode and Turbin. There are many more, but the idea is that situations change fast, and this could be one of those times if we're very lucky.

Or how about Spencer Ware drafted late onto that same deep Seahawks RB depth chart (a rare case of the Seahawks poorly evaluating their own talent as they wanted him to fit at FB), then signed onto a Chiefs RB depth chart containing Charles and Knile Davis (at that time considered a top notch handcuff). The list goes on.

 
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This is kinda why you can't judge a RB draftee's future based on the circumstances he's drafted into. I know Washington hasn't done anything yet, but its a good reminder as his value could soon skyrocket (or disappear, of course).

Some worried about David Johnson being drafted onto a team with Andre Ellington (while some said he was a bigger, better version, yes), Stepfon Taylor (who some liked and some called a scrub, yes), and who signed a surprisingly good looking Chris Johnson. 

Another decent example: Christine Michael being drafted onto a team with Beastmode and Turbin. There are many more, but the idea is that situations change fast, and this could be one of those times if we're very lucky.

Or how about Spencer Ware drafted late onto that same deep Seahawks RB depth chart (a rare case of the Seahawks poorly evaluating their own talent as they wanted him to fit at FB), then signed onto a Chiefs RB depth chart containing Charles and Knile Davis (at that time considered a top notch handcuff). The list goes on.
Good post.  

This situation is so obvious to me....Washington is a potential.difference maker and I like that he has the swagger.  Riddick is a role player, nothing more.  It's only week 3...Washington will get his shot sooner rather than later....this could be fun....

 
Even though I picked him up I find myself not being able to pull the trigger on slotting him into my starting lineup this week. I want to.....

 
Even though I picked him up I find myself not being able to pull the trigger on slotting him into my starting lineup this week. I want to.....
In a redraft league I can't really see it unless your somehow have L.Bell, D.Martin, A.Abdullah...if you went that route you might have some real problems this weekend. 

 
Even though I picked him up I find myself not being able to pull the trigger on slotting him into my starting lineup this week. I want to.....
I feel the same way. I'm lucky enough to have some plus options. If he blows up on the bench it will suck, but that's better than him blowing up in someone else's lineup. Right? I personally see the Lions playing from behind yet again this week. I'm not sure that's necessarily a boon for Riddick, although it could be, but I just don't see Washington being thrust into the game plan in a substantial way this early. Doesn't mean he can't get a couple of goal line scores, though. 

 
Its hard not too eh..

What we thinking 65 yds  maybe two scores?

Id really like to say  "Watch the pack get exposed"  But, its hard to count Rodgers out, aint it?

As much as I could foresee 80 yds n two scores..  I think we need to sit him on bn, and observe.

Id even be okay with ignoring the results in some respects next week..  GB could dictate a different game if ya will.

But I mean if ya got a sure back destined to get carries/receptions  I cant write it..  I know some of ya could care less, but id think about starting him OKAY!

Id like to hear more info on the whose, whats why (if possible)

Nickname if we (most) of us can agree to use it  Swaggy Dwayne  some just say Swaggy

Whats "itchy" exactly   Is it something nice for the Coach to say to a kid whose trying, but puts the ball on the ground  Or  retching because of nerves before the game

Has anybody found his entire injury history?  (think its a wee bit)   Not that it means a whole hill of beans

Can someone honestly explain how the College stopped his promotion (ranking)  I know Coachs love saying the best player plays   They couldnt Coach him ?

Now I understand that he was demoted, and would see less time   But forgoing his Senior Yr. seems kinda sketchy

Ive also seen different takes on his receiving  (He likes AP  / AP doesnt catch much!)  Anybody seen someone they sorta trust imply good hands?

Think I read his pro-day or something wasnt superb as far as catching the ball

 
Who else besides me is starting him? Let me know so you we can celebrate together when he puts up 20 yards this week.
FTFY. The Loins are going to be playing defense all day and the O will be playing from behind. This is tailor-made for Riddick to get 8-12 catches. 

 
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Can someone honestly explain how the College stopped his promotion (ranking)  I know Coachs love saying the best player plays   They couldnt Coach him ?

Now I understand that he was demoted, and would see less time   But forgoing his Senior Yr. seems kinda sketchy

Ive also seen different takes on his receiving  (He likes AP  / AP doesnt catch much!)  Anybody seen someone they sorta trust imply good hands?

Think I read his pro-day or something wasnt superb as far as catching the ball
He was a WR and converted to RB. He can catch. He may catch as well as Riddick. Not that he will replace Riddick but if he shows he can run in between the tackles its a huge advantage. 

University of Washington has been a dumpster fire for years (until this year). He was behind Bishop Sankey and last year thought the starting job would go to him. The new coaching staff that did not recruit. Washington's Junior season was derailed by injury and Myles Gaskin's performance (freshman at the time). Washington also had a kid last year which I bet influenced his decision. 

 
FTFY. The Loins are going to be playing defense all day and the O will be playing from behind. This is tailor-made for Riddick to get 8-12 catches. 
Yeah this is what I see too. Still see 10 carries for Washington and a GL carry or two. 

 
Or maybe his hands are why he converted to RB.
yeah I dont wanna try run every angle into the ground..  But we gotta figure this one kinda fits an MO

It isnt really terrible even if remotely true..

But it would throw water on some Fires so to speak

I also do like the kid perspective   CFL or something would put food on the table   not to mention less playing time could hurt more too

 
Lets pretend you are a dynasty owner rostering both foster and Abdullah.  

Drake and Washington are both out there. 

Who do you like better?  It seems like Washington has a better Chance of being a potential workhorse?  But maybe drake is more of a special athlete?

Hypothetically.

 
Lets pretend you are a dynasty owner rostering both foster and Abdullah.  

Drake and Washington are both out there. 

Who do you like better?  It seems like Washington has a better Chance of being a potential workhorse?  But maybe drake is more of a special athlete?

Hypothetically.
Trade them both. AA for a 2nd and Foster for a 3rd or 4th. Pick both Drake and Washington up. 

 
Lets pretend you are a dynasty owner rostering both foster and Abdullah.  

Drake and Washington are both out there. 

Who do you like better?  It seems like Washington has a better Chance of being a potential workhorse?  But maybe drake is more of a special athlete?

Hypothetically.
The Gase offense with him as HC doesn't seem to want to make a RB a real bell cow. In Detroit I think they would welcome 1 RB they could get behind. You always want a 65/35 split even with a true workhorse but one team seems like a better fit over the other

"Special" can mean not so good sometimes. Saban said he was more of a specialty player. 

 
Right now I am starting Crowell & Hyde.

BUT, I am thinking of putting him in for one of these 2 since it is a start 2 RB 1/2 point PPR league. Bell is back for me next week.

 

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