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***Official*** Dwayne Washington, RB, DET (1 Viewer)

He has the talent but needs a better opportunity to succeed. He's one step closer to that opportunity being #2 but he's just another high upside handcuff waiting for A. his #1 to go down or B. the coaches believe that he's worthy of being elevated to a bigger share or RBBC or even being the #1. 
As far as the passing down work, Riddick looked good in that role. Dwayne would need to be so electric and good in the passing game that he would push Riddick aside, which I don't see happening save injury as far as a 3-down workload goes. If he continues to improve between the tackles, he could realistically win the early down/GL work giving him a very nice share of a RBBC in what he looks to be better at.

 
As far as the passing down work, Riddick looked good in that role. Dwayne would need to be so electric and good in the passing game that he would push Riddick aside, which I don't see happening save injury as far as a 3-down workload goes. If he continues to improve between the tackles, he could realistically win the early down/GL work giving him a very nice share of a RBBC in what he looks to be better at.
You both assume that Riddick is #1, why? Because he had 7 catches? They both had the same number of rush attempts. Sure Riddick started, but in terms of a Abdullah like back, that can catch AND run, my bet is on Washington. With Riddick to stay in his passing down role. And don't forget as stated so many times in this thread already, he is a converted receiver. I'm so glad I scooped this guy up, his arrow is trending way up.

 
There is no doubt in my mind that Washington's arrow is pointing up still after week 3. Riddick couldnt run the ball at all yesterday. He looked bad on the ground every chance he had. Washington should get more work going forward on early downs. The pass game still belongs to Riddick however. Washington's goalline carry was blown up by the Packers, that was more on the Detroit O-line than the RB. 

Washington was 10 for 38. His yard breakdown for each carry was:

9, 1, 1, 9, 7, -1 (goalline carry), 1, 5, 5

 
Washington just might not be ready for a larger role just yet.  Waldman had said that his rap coming out of college was a physical phenom but was very raw with respect to blocking schemes and other aspects of the game.  I would expect that week by week they will try and coach him up and increase his snap counts.  I expect that Riddick will maintain his role that he had when Bell / AA were on the team because he excels in that role.  From a between the tackles running POV Washington was light years better than Riddick and I'm sure the team will continue to get the ball into his hands.

 
GoBirds said:
So what's our plan, keep hanging on for now?
Little reason not to hang onto him. He'll be interesting some weeks (Bears this week, Redskins, etc) and meh others (Eagles, plausibly Rams, etc). Generally, the type of player to consider as flex. All this depending on your byes and injuries, natch. Washington looked better at moving the pile, but Riddick won't disappear. Detroit won't be down 2-3 TDs early on every game (probably a few more, though >.>), but they're still going to have to be a pass heavy team.

 
Wow... anyone who picked up Washington this week expecting him to be an immediate RB2 or better are out of their minds. No wonder there is so much disappointment in here. This pick-up was meant for the long haul. By week 8 this kid could be a huge part of a prolific offense with fresh legs, ready to give you fantasy team a push to the final stretch. A player like Joique Bell who is maybe half of the talent of Washington was a serviceable piece in this offense for a couple of seasons, and a nice plug and play component in 12 team fantasy leagues. Washington will pay dividends by season's end.

 
I thought he looked good and was clearly the better back running the ball.  Riddick was terrible rushing 10 times for 9 yards.  I thought Washington looked decisive and somewhat powerful on the majority of his runs.  Nothing about yesterday's game was discouraging but game situation will ultimately determine how much he is used.  

 
Little reason not to hang onto him. He'll be interesting some weeks (Bears this week, Redskins, etc) and meh others (Eagles, plausibly Rams, etc). Generally, the type of player to consider as flex. All this depending on your byes and injuries, natch. Washington looked better at moving the pile, but Riddick won't disappear. Detroit won't be down 2-3 TDs early on every game (probably a few more, though >.>), but they're still going to have to be a pass heavy team.
Little reason!? It was his first game, what were you expecting? The guy looks like he is the rushing RB and goal line for an offense that can score a lot of points. Riddick looked TERRIBLE running the ball. 

 
Wow... anyone who picked up Washington this week expecting him to be an immediate RB2 or better are out of their minds. No wonder there is so much disappointment in here. This pick-up was meant for the long haul. By week 8 this kid could be a huge part of a prolific offense with fresh legs, ready to give you fantasy team a push to the final stretch. A player like Joique Bell who is maybe half of the talent of Washington was a serviceable piece in this offense for a couple of seasons, and a nice plug and play component in 12 team fantasy leagues. Washington will pay dividends by season's end.
This.  If you watched the game yesterday, you saw exactly what I, and some others here, were saying.  Riddick has a role, he's exceptional at it, but he will not excel if that role is expanded.  Washington gives them something different.  He looks fast, strong, and decisive.  He's not going to be a 20+ touch workhorse, that isn't the way the Lion's use their RB's.  His upside will be 15 or so carries, a few catches, and the GL work.  It's good RB2/Flex material.  It will be dictated by matchup.  

This week showed that Washington, contrary to some posters opinions, had in fact secured the "Big Back" role here in Detroit, was not threatened by Zenner, and looks capable.  If you scooped him, congratulations.  If you started him, that was too soon, but not be discouraged.  In games where the Lion's aren't down 20+ before the crowd is seated, he should have a valuable and useful role.

 
This.  If you watched the game yesterday, you saw exactly what I, and some others here, were saying.  Riddick has a role, he's exceptional at it, but he will not excel if that role is expanded.  Washington gives them something different.  He looks fast, strong, and decisive.  He's not going to be a 20+ touch workhorse, that isn't the way the Lion's use their RB's.  His upside will be 15 or so carries, a few catches, and the GL work.  It's good RB2/Flex material.  It will be dictated by matchup.  

This week showed that Washington, contrary to some posters opinions, had in fact secured the "Big Back" role here in Detroit, was not threatened by Zenner, and looks capable.  If you scooped him, congratulations.  If you started him, that was too soon, but not be discouraged.  In games where the Lion's aren't down 20+ before the crowd is seated, he should have a valuable and useful role.
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riddick is a great receiving back, sure, but don't forget washington is a wide receiver convert. he had good hands. he is learning the position in a trial by fire fashion, which is one of the reasons for his college RB stats being not great. he and jordan howard in great situation to take over workhorse duties for their respective teams, it's just too bad it's the lions and the bears. anyone who picked up washington last week with a reasonable expectation has to be happy with the results over the weekend.

 
Wow... anyone who picked up Washington this week expecting him to be an immediate RB2 or better are out of their minds.
There's 16 pages of un####ingbelievable hype in this thread that says otherwise.  Most people were expecting to have this year's David Johnson, and immediately.

If you own him in redraft, you are either considering dropping him for the flavor of the week, or hoping to hang on for one good game and a trade.

 
Most people were expecting to have this year's David Johnson, and immediately.

If you own him in redraft, you are either considering dropping him for the flavor of the week, or hoping to hang on for one good game and a trade.
Wrong. Some people have mentioned the comparison to David Johnson, not most people. There have been several other comparisons in this thread as well, but you cherry picked the one you felt was the most asinine. This was the first week without Abdullah going against the Packers. I didn't expect the Packers to get their offense going this week but I was clearly wrong about that. Given the circumstances of the game, it's difficult to determine what Washington's role will be moving forward. Riddick did not accomplish anything in the run game and if the Lions can keep the game close, I'm sure they would like to utilize a RB that can move the ball effectively. We don't know if Washington can do that yet, but there is reason for optimism and intrigue. At this point I would take a guess that most people are going to hang onto him to see what they have. Especially considering there isn't much out there on the WW that is worth giving up hope on Washington after a week in which expectations should have been hampered.

 
There's 16 pages of un####ingbelievable hype in this thread that says otherwise.  Most people were expecting to have this year's David Johnson, and immediately.

If you own him in redraft, you are either considering dropping him for the flavor of the week, or hoping to hang on for one good game and a trade.
Couldn't be much more wrong in one post. Yesterday was a big win for Washington IMO. Riddick proved he cannot be an every down back. The game script was against Washington yesterday, this week against Da Bears will be a big opportunity for Washington. Oh yea, when he has a good game I am not going trade him. 

 
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Washington confirmed that he is the best running RB in Detroit yesterday.  But, he is going to remain on my bench until he takes over a larger part of the RB pie in Detroit.  Those days are coming but it is not happening next week or even the week after.  Will likely take another 3-4 weeks.  Riddick is still going to get a bunch of receptions as the third down RB. 

 
There's 16 pages of un####ingbelievable hype in this thread that says otherwise.  Most people were expecting to have this year's David Johnson, and immediately.

If you own him in redraft, you are either considering dropping him for the flavor of the week, or hoping to hang on for one good game and a trade.


With every new post of yours, it becomes more and more clear that you own plenty of stock in Riddick.

 
There's 16 pages of un####ingbelievable hype in this thread that says otherwise.  Most people were expecting to have this year's David Johnson, and immediately.

If you own him in redraft, you are either considering dropping him for the flavor of the week, or hoping to hang on for one good game and a trade.
You are bad at trolling.

 
There's 16 pages of un####ingbelievable hype in this thread that says otherwise. 
False. There's 16 pages of discussion in relation to what we can expect long term from Washington. The vast majority of the postings showed that people had realistic expectations

Most people were expecting to have this year's David Johnson, and immediately.
Again, false. In fact, I made a post that got plenty of likes saying that he is NOT David Johnson. No one in here was saying he'd have immediate David Johnson production. If they were it was sarcasm of "I am dropping Bell for him." 
I had to start him because it was him or McCluster. Looks like I started the right guy.

If you are going to make wild accusations please show proof in posts of "most people" in here saying he'd have David Johnson's numbers

If you own him in redraft, you are either considering dropping him for the flavor of the week, or hoping to hang on for one good game and a trade.
False. No one should be considering dropping him for a flavor of the week. Who- Darkwa? If you want a peice of that 3 headed monster be my guest. I'd rather have the rushing and goal line back for the Lions. 

 
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There's 16 pages of un####ingbelievable hype in this thread that says otherwise.  Most people were expecting to have this year's David Johnson, and immediately.

If you own him in redraft, you are either considering dropping him for the flavor of the week, or hoping to hang on for one good game and a trade.
May I suggest reading the thread before doing this to yourself?

 
How it broke down..

Riddick played on 45 snaps (66%), saw 9 targets (2 RZ targets) and 10 carries (1 RZ carry).

Washington played on 25 snaps (37%), saw 1 target and 10 carries (1 RZ carry).

 
Who the hell knows?

upside is 8-10 touches, .75 TD 

he could have 8-10 touches not at the stripe and end up with 35 yards, 0 TD.

they could get 3 PI calls in the end zone and Washington could Bettis his way to a hat trick.

until we see how they're really used in a game, anything is possible. But since they've tabbed Riddick the starter, I think 8-10 with maybe a TD is a good floor for FFB managers to hope for.


Agreed. I am hoping for 1 score and maybe 8-10 touches. If I can sneak out 10 points from him I will be happy. It's either him or Asiata for me and it's a horse apiece as far as I'm concerned. Washington will get more touches IMO and GB has a history of letting unknown RBs go nuts from what I can remember... although for the past decade we have been terrible vs the run and actually look good so far. However the DL is quite banged up right now. 


I think you have to wait a couple weeks. I'm guessing under 10 carries with a decent shot at a TD.


I think most here are taking a longer term approach than "this week" against GB. 

To answer your question, yes - GB is stout against the run, and GB plays well at home. So this week may not be an ideal place to start Washington. I am starting Riddick in a 1/2 PPR league at Flex since I just lost A.Foster and have little choice (M.Wheaton would be my only other possible) - I would not start Washington this week, but there are some who took more than 1 hit this week who might have to. 

If they get 5-10 points, it's better than getting 0 points. 

Long-term view, Washington is a wait & see, with upside. 


Haven't chimed in on this board in years and had to create a new login to get in on this discussion.  As a Lions fan, I would temper expectations on this week alone given the matchup.  Think 10 carries, 50 yards and maybe a touchdown.  I did pick DW up in 2 out of 3 ppr leagues (both where I already have Riddick) but I still think in the end Detroit will be more of a passing team.  Lions are losing Levy and Ziggy for this game so expect them to get torched (so maybe a few catches out of the backfield playing catch up could also happen).  With all of that being said, this kid has checked off to me the below:

Measurables, depth chart climb, preseason performance (two TD's), yards per carry in regular (small sample size I know) and a former WR.

He is here to stay unlike Ridley or even if they sign Joique to mentor him. The Lions do have new LT this season in 1st rd pick Decker and both of their guards are respectable (Warford, Tomlinson).  They just lacked the right offensive coordinator last season until they got Jim Bob Cooter and RB to fit well with Riddick and Stafford. 

This Sunday Riddick will get the chance to be "thy guy" but IF Dwayne Washington comes and runs well, I can see them moving Riddick back to his role last year and Washington being more like Joique Bell but more explosive.

Prediction: 1000 yards rushing, 8 TD's, 30 receptions


The goal line work intrigued me. I'm not sure what I bought, but if he turns into a bye week filler or more, I'd be thrilled! 

Love the forum for good discussion like this one. 
Sounds like so much hype.....

 
what would be interesting is to see the distribution because it seemed as if the team was looking to go with Riddick and he was in on the 1st 2 series I believe and got absolutely smoked carrying the ball and I believe missed on 2 short yardage situations.  Then they gave the ball to Washington and all the sudden he started making things happen and the offense started to move.

I'd imagine a lot of those carries are front loaded for Riddick with just a couple carries in the 2nd half.

 
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what would be interesting is to see the distribution because it seemed as if the team was looking to go with Riddick and he was in on the 1st 2 series I believe and got absolutely smoked carrying the ball and I believe missed on 2 short yardage situations. Then they gave the ball to Washington and all the sudden he started making things happen and the offense started to move.

I'd imagine a lot of those carries are front loaded for Riddick with just a couple carries in the 2nd half.
Both Riddick and Washington had 6 carries in the first half.

Both Riddick and Washington finished with 10 total carries.

 
Both Riddick and Washington had 6 carries in the first half.

Both Riddick and Washington finished with 10 total carries.
Riddick had the first few series to himself.  He had 5 carries for -10 yards before Washington got a snap in the 2nd quarter.  Washington looked much better running the ball once he got in.

 
Riddick had the first few series to himself.  He had 5 carries for -10 yards before Washington got a snap in the 2nd quarter.  Washington looked much better running the ball once he got in.
ya, it was night and day...one guy was going east-west in the backfield and the other north-south with a good body lean.  

 
A bunch of posts filled with overreactions to the stat line from one game and straw man arguments. 

I would love to see quotes from people who were "advising" others to start Washington this week or "hyping" him with a serious expectation of a  2 TD start in this game.  Several of us said we were starting him in our own lineups for a variety of reasons.  I believe I stated that for me it was an "F it" start, which was based largely on what turned out to be a correct assumption that my opponent was not going to score a lot of points this week and I could live with the risk.

Many of us pointed out that it was not a good matchup based on GB's league leading run defense.  As it turns out DET got down 21 in the first half and it was a game script, as I pointed out during the game, that was not conducive to Washington having a successful FF day.

What we did see was Washington look much better than Riddick as an early down RB option and that he seemed, without yet seeing the coach's tape, to handle the snaps he was given pretty well without any major negatives.  This bodes well for continuing to build his trust with the coaching staff and earning more opportunity.

The David Johnson comparisons were brought up b/c some of us said it "feels" similar to DJ's situation last year and it was interesting to compare their combine profile strengths and weaknesses.  And I don't think he will have the same trajectory as DJ did last year for a number of reasons but DJ was not able to be trusted in lineups until week 13 last year.  So what are people even talking about?

Again, this is a hype train.  If you've been doing this long enough you know what comes with that.  If your rosters are deep enough, then you hold Washington and enjoy the ride.  If not, then get off the train.  But stop with the ridiculous, "see he didnt produce great FF stats in his 1st start so he was overhyped" bit.  It shows a lack of understanding of context and what this is really all about.

 
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@Walking Boot- No idea why you included most of the quotes you did b/c they are simply people saying they were going to start him and have nothing to do with what I was saying.

There are two quotes, one from The Scientist, whose history is well documented in the SP, and another saying you may want to consider it. So yes, there were 2 examples of people suggesting to start Washington over others.  Great....

My points remain.

 
(Just posting those because VaTerp said it never happened in this thread. And, I'm not even counting the "Washington is a Must-Start vs GB this week!!!" thread.)
If you are going to say I said something you should be more accurate.  Also the thread about starting Washington did not say "Must-start" or suggest anything of the sort.

Anyways, not worth going back and forth with you about this.

Cheers.

 
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:lol: he quotes TheScientist who has been the most sarcastic person in here and should never be taken seriously. Others are asking advice. He quotes me saying I kind of have to start him (it was between McCluster and him... so.... yeah I had to or take a zero). 

 

 
You said it never happened. So I showed where it did, that's all. My points remain. It happened. In this thread.
Oh Lord... this is about as useful as the grammar police.

You said it "never" happened, but let me find the one example where you're wrong. 

I think Clinton or Trump might be looking for more ideas on ads... might want to give them a call. As far as the SP is concerned, this is not constructive at all. 

And to think I had a positive opinion of Walking Boot...

 
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Whatever you say dude.  One person is not "people."  And again, it was The Scientist.  Most people know what that means.

But yeah, the last word is all yours.  Have fun wit it.

 
I advised against starting him last week.  He's more of a stash RB however given the injuries this season and matchup this week vs Bears, I'd start him as a low end RB2.

 
I advised against starting him last week.  He's more of a stash RB however given the injuries this season and matchup this week vs Bears, I'd start him as a low end RB2.
I would be more confident starting his this week vs last week.  I wouldn't be surprised at something like 12-70-.5 td and 2-14 ...

 
A bunch of posts filled with overreactions to the stat line from one game and straw man arguments. 

I would love to see quotes from people who were "advising" others to start Washington this week or "hyping" him with a serious expectation of a  2 TD start in this game.  Several of us said we were starting him in our own lineups for a variety of reasons.  I believe I stated that for me it was an "F it" start, which was based largely on what turned out to be a correct assumption that my opponent was not going to score a lot of points this week and I could live with the risk.

Many of us pointed out that it was not a good matchup based on GB's league leading run defense.  As it turns out DET got down 21 in the first half and it was a game script, as I pointed out during the game, that was not conducive to Washington having a successful FF day.

What we did see was Washington look much better than Riddick as an early down RB option and that he seemed, without yet seeing the coach's tape, to handle the snaps he was given pretty well without any major negatives.  This bodes well for continuing to build his trust with the coaching staff and earning more opportunity.

The David Johnson comparisons were brought up b/c some of us said it "feels" similar to DJ's situation last year and it was interesting to compare their combine profile strengths and weaknesses.  And I don't think he will have the same trajectory as DJ did last year for a number of reasons but DJ was not able to be trusted in lineups until week 13 last year.  So what are people even talking about?

Again, this is a hype train.  If you've been doing this long enough you know what comes with that.  If your rosters are deep enough, then you hold Washington and enjoy the ride.  If not, then get off the train.  But stop with the ridiculous, "see he didnt produce great FF stats in his 1st start so he was overhyped" bit.  It shows a lack of understanding of context and what this is really all about.
Went WR heavy in all drafts so was left w/ D Washington, Crowell, Jennings(hurt), R. Mathews, Langford, Blount.

No I didn't start Blount.  Lot's of guys grasping for RBs right now.  It's what is happening.   

 

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