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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

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Sand said:
Well, he does appear to be moving ahead with what he said he was going to - drop TPP, renegotiate NAFTA, etc. We'll see how it turns out.  Obama's turn at the wheel has been pretty poor with regards to job recovery, wealth, etc.

As far as conning the populace, that happens with regularity - "Read my lips", "You'll save at least $2,500 on your premiums", "I did not have sexual relations with that woman", etc.
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Yeah, he only drove us out of Bush's abyss in 2009 and has set the longest streak of private-sector job growth on record. 

 
tommyGunZ said:
Yeah, not much patience for lecturing from Noam when he himself didn't vote Hillary.  He's famous enough that his failing to fully endorse Hillary likely cost her some votes in swing states.  

That's obviously his prerogative, but the lecture rings hollow.
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There isn't a single person in this country that failed to vote for Hillary because Noam failed to fully endorse her.

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
There isn't a single person in this country that failed to vote for Hillary because Noam failed to fully endorse her.
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Just let him have his coping mechanisms. I can't believe how hard some people have taken this election. I can't even imagine being that emotionally invested in politics. It is exactly the same as all the nobama morons. The hypocrisy of both sides is so messed up. In the end it is all the same every term. Spending goes up, palms get greased, and both sides try to derail the other side. 

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Okay, "person of the left" or "progressive" or whatever.  The point is the same.  Chomsky is apparently calling out people who are left-of-center for not voting for Hillary when he himself did not vote for Hillary.  That's a pretty big problem.  

That said, I share your dislike of Noam Chomsky.  He's a dirtbag.
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I know of Chomsky but know very little about him.  What makes him a dirtbag?

 
timschochet said:
:thumbup: No better place to live than California. Greatest state in the union, and it ain't even close.
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I've lived collectively 18 years in that state (out of 45).  Childhood in San Francisco area, mid twenties through mid thirties in LA.  Been in Texas 9, and it's by far the best place I've lived in nearly every regard.  Weather and scenery excluded.  Second would be New England (various), followed by Chicago suburbs.  Anyone who states categorically that CA is the best state in the country -- probably hasn't lived a lot of other places.  

 
Mr. Ham said:
I've lived collectively 18 years in that state (out of 45).  Childhood in San Francisco area, mid twenties through mid thirties in LA.  Been in Texas 9, and it's by far the best place I've lived in nearly every regard.  Weather and scenery excluded.  Second would be New England (various), followed by Chicago suburbs.  Anyone who states categorically that CA is the best state in the country -- probably hasn't lived a lot of other places.  
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Those are some damn big things to exclude

 
I've lived in Colorado, new Mexico, Kansas, Texas, and Oklahoma.  Colorado easily wins...of course that was before all those damn Californians showed up.

 
Mr. Ham said:
I've lived collectively 18 years in that state (out of 45).  Childhood in San Francisco area, mid twenties through mid thirties in LA.  Been in Texas 9, and it's by far the best place I've lived in nearly every regard.  Weather and scenery excluded.  Second would be New England (various), followed by Chicago suburbs.  Anyone who states categorically that CA is the best state in the country -- probably hasn't lived a lot of other places.  
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Millions of people have moved from CA to neighboring states such as Texas.

http://www.santaclaritamagazine.com/2016/08/money-matters-behind-mass-exodus-california/page/2/

 
JIslander said:
Yeah, he only drove us out of Bush's abyss in 2009 and has set the longest streak of private-sector job growth on record. 
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The  business cycle has natural swings.   Obama  caught  that - nice spot to be in.    We can cover  his record in detail,  but  suffice it to say that  he has set a  low watermark  for  job  growth out of the recession  and GDP  growth  during  his  terms.   Wage growth has been almost non existent.  He's  the only modern  president  to  have  never hit 3% growth (and he had 8 years to get there).   When all is said and done he'll average 1.5% GDP growth during a recovery.  That's  abysmal.   

You see the headlines  that are carefully  crafted.   When  you  look  at  what  his presidency  looks like  during a  recovery  you  can't  help  to  be  incredibly  disappointed.   We could  have  done  so much better.  8  years wasted.

 
Sand said:
The  business cycle has natural swings.   Obama  caught  that - nice spot to be in.    We can cover  his record in detail,  but  suffice it to say that  he has set a  low watermark  for  job  growth out of the recession  and GDP  growth  during  his  terms.   Wage growth has been almost non existent.  He's  the only modern  president  to  have  never hit 3% growth (and he had 8 years to get there).   When all is said and done he'll average 1.5% GDP growth during a recovery.  That's  abysmal.   

You see the headlines  that are carefully  crafted.   When  you  look  at  what  his presidency  looks like  during a  recovery  you  can't  help  to  be  incredibly  disappointed.   We could  have  done  so much better.  8  years wasted.
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How? You and others keep repeating this, but if you had been in charge in January of 2009, with unemployment at near record highs and the economy floundering, what would you have done differently? And how would you have gotten the GDP over 3%?

 
tommyboy said:
The point being California not quite as popular as it used to be.
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That's temporary. Like a year when the Crimson Tide go 9-2, some idiot argues that they're not as dominant as they used to be. It's forgotten the next year when they win the national championship again. California remains the most populated and most popular state in the union, and that's not going away.

 
Sand said:
The  business cycle has natural swings.   Obama  caught  that - nice spot to be in.    We can cover  his record in detail,  but  suffice it to say that  he has set a  low watermark  for  job  growth out of the recession  and GDP  growth  during  his  terms.   Wage growth has been almost non existent.  He's  the only modern  president  to  have  never hit 3% growth (and he had 8 years to get there).   When all is said and done he'll average 1.5% GDP growth during a recovery.  That's  abysmal.   

You see the headlines  that are carefully  crafted.   When  you  look  at  what  his presidency  looks like  during a  recovery  you  can't  help  to  be  incredibly  disappointed.   We could  have  done  so much better.  8  years wasted.
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Coming into office during the largest financial crisis in 80 years while dealing with massive structural problems driven by demographics, high debt levels, and inequality is not a "nice spot" to be in.  You cannot look at recent recessions caused by the Fed reacting to an overheated economy as a guide, it was (and still is) a completely different set of circumstances.

 
timschochet said:
That's temporary. Like a year when the Crimson Tide go 9-2, some idiot argues that they're not as dominant as they used to be. It's forgotten the next year when they win the national championship again. California remains the most populated and most popular state in the union, and that's not going away.
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Can you guys please fix your terrible land-use regulations to lower housing prices so more of us can move there affordably?  Thanks.

 
elbowrm said:
Pre election: Vote for him because he's not a politician

Post election: But what he's doing is no different than any other politician!
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Hint -  he's  not POTUS  yet.  Give him a  chance  to  renege  before  screaming.  Lord  knows  I'll  be one of the first if he  ignores his promises.

 
Slapdash said:
Coming into office during the largest financial crisis in 80 years while dealing with massive structural problems driven by demographics, high debt levels, and inequality is not a "nice spot" to be in.  You cannot look at recent recessions caused by the Fed reacting to an overheated economy as a guide, it was (and still is) a completely different set of circumstances.
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"This time  it's  different."    Never heard  that  before - I  think you may have  coined that.

Your  comment  on  the Fed  is well taken.   They  certainly  had a  lot to  do  with  the  crash.   And  they  have  done  almost  all the  lifting  during  this recovery.  ZIRP  policies  have  been  about the  only  thing  that  has  gotten  us even a  tepid  recovery.

 
:coffee:

https://thinkprogress.org/amp/p/6ae9a60f4dd4

Trump spokeswoman trashes recount, forgetting her boss promised the same thing

“He’s not going to concede an election” she said last month.

Kellyanne Conway was asked about a planned recount in Wisconsin on CNN’s State of the Union Sunday morning, and criticized proponents of the effort for dragging out the election. Apparently only her boss was allowed to do that.

“The idea that we’re going to drag this out now, where the president-elect has been incredibly magnanimous to the Clintons and to the Obamas is pretty incredible,” she told host Dana Bash.

It’s quite the change of heart for Conway, who barely a month ago made the rounds on news shows proclaiming that her boss wouldn’t concede until the election results were verified.

“He’s saying that until the results are actually known, certified and verified, he’s not going to concede an election,” she told George Stephanopoulos in late October. “He just doesn’t know what will happen.”

Trump was thoroughly criticized after the final presidential debate for refusing to say whether he would accept the results on election day. Now that the roles have reversed, Trump himself inveighed against the proposed recount in a trademark Twitter tantrum Saturday night.

 
Sand said:
Hint -  he's  not POTUS  yet.  Give him a  chance  to  renege  before  screaming.  Lord  knows  I'll  be one of the first if he  ignores his promises.
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Obama has had the benefit of never being wrong...for 95% of his administration anything that went wrong was Bush's fault...looks like Trump will get the blame for the last 5%...

 
Sand said:
The  business cycle has natural swings.   Obama  caught  that - nice spot to be in.    We can cover  his record in detail,  but  suffice it to say that  he has set a  low watermark  for  job  growth out of the recession  and GDP  growth  during  his  terms.   Wage growth has been almost non existent.  He's  the only modern  president  to  have  never hit 3% growth (and he had 8 years to get there).   When all is said and done he'll average 1.5% GDP growth during a recovery.  That's  abysmal.   

You see the headlines  that are carefully  crafted.   When  you  look  at  what  his presidency  looks like  during a  recovery  you  can't  help  to  be  incredibly  disappointed.   We could  have  done  so much better.  8  years wasted.
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8 years wasted on what?  Every recovery isn't the same. If anything, our growth has been hurt by Europe and Asia. Maybe by closing our borders we won't be so reliant but we've been the best house in a bad neighborhood and things aren't too bad. Fed has more to do with that but it will be interesting to see how the next Fed Chair deals with a potentially overheated economy. 

 
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sporthenry said:
8 years wasted on what?  Every recovery isn't the same. If anything, our growth has been hurt by Europe and Asia. Maybe by closing our borders we won't be so reliant but we've been the best house in a bad neighborhood and things aren't too bad. Fed has more to do with that but it will be interesting to see how the next Fed Chair deals with a potentially overheated economy. 
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Next Fed Chair will face quite the challenge.......weening the addict off every drug you can think of.

 
GoBirds said:
Next Fed Chair will face quite the challenge.......weening the addict off every drug you can think of.
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This is fair but I'd argue our Fed has also had their hands tied by other Central Banks. Heck, we can't control our own yields / curve bc they are bound between sovereign yields. 

And the Fed has spoke for a while about the need for a fiscal policy which that failure falls on both sides but mostly Congress. Regardless, functioning government should result in some fiscal policy (and most likely a Keynesian) which should allow the Fed to wean off low rates and get a few more bullets back in their chamber.  

 
Looks like Trump is saying the election was rigged.

Good thing we are getting a recount! :hophead:

Donald J. TrumpVerified account ‏@realDonaldTrump 6m6 minutes ago

In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide,

I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally
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sporthenry said:
This is fair but I'd argue our Fed has also had their hands tied by other Central Banks. Heck, we can't control our own yields / curve bc they are bound between sovereign yields. 
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Eh, if the interest rates of other countries (Japan, EU, Switzerland) were allowed to float they would be way more negative than they are now.  IMO, if we let the US interest rates float they'd likely be close to where they are now, or perhaps a bit above as the dollar goes even further up.

 
Mr. Ham said:
I've lived collectively 18 years in that state (out of 45).  Childhood in San Francisco area, mid twenties through mid thirties in LA.  Been in Texas 9, and it's by far the best place I've lived in nearly every regard.  Weather and scenery excluded.  Second would be New England (various), followed by Chicago suburbs.  Anyone who states categorically that CA is the best state in the country -- probably hasn't lived a lot of other places.  
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This opinion comes from you watching too many John Hughes movies in the 80's. 

 
Sand said:
"This time  it's  different."    Never heard  that  before - I  think you may have  coined that.

Your  comment  on  the Fed  is well taken.   They  certainly  had a  lot to  do  with  the  crash.   And  they  have  done  almost  all the  lifting  during  this recovery.  ZIRP  policies  have  been  about the  only  thing  that  has  gotten  us even a  tepid  recovery.
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I don't think you understand my comment to quote the title of that book in that way.  That book is about the bubble/crisis cycle over economic history and how people are lulled into false sense of security after a long period of relative success (only mild recessions with quick recoveries).  The 08 crash, like the crashes studied in This Time Is Different are more severe and their impacts last longer.  It is not appropriate to compare the performance of the economy following one of these events to the mild business-cycle recessions experienced between Great Depression and recent recessions/lesser depression. 

That isn't to absolve Obama, Congress, and the Fed for not doing more to stimulate the economy in 2009, but it certainly wasn't a favorable situation to encounter. 

 
To have the president elect apparently believe that it is possible for literally millions of people to vote illegally in the country that just elected him president?  That makes a pretty big ####### difference.

 
JIslander said:
If you didn't like "deplorables" from Hillary, he's now POTUS calling out US citizens for voting illegally.  Whether he has proof of this or not, it's a pretty shocking statement.
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He's not the POTUS.  That title is still held by Barrack Obama.

In case you are not aware, when you are elected president, you don't actually become president till 2 1/2 months later.  HTH.  :hifive:

 
Ghost Rider said:
He's not the POTUS.  That title is still held by Barrack Obama.

In case you are not aware, when you are elected president, you don't actually become president till 2 1/2 months later.  HTH.  :hifive:
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In case you are not aware, he is President-elect. And his public statements are being given almost equal weight by most people as that of POTUS.

HTH :hifive:

 
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squistion said:
In case you are not aware, he is President-elect. And his public statements are being given almost equal weight by most people as that of POTUS.

HTH :hifive:
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Right? So stupid. Like it's all going to change in 2 mos. And we'll all forget this stupid tweet.  They'll be more.

 
Politician Spock said:
This opinion comes from you watching too many John Hughes movies in the 80's. 
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Lived in the same town as Hughes.  Worked in a couple of his movies.  

 
The Commish said:
I really don't think "more of the same" is the right solution here.  Your approach has gotten you a loss in the White House, minority in the Senate and House.  Why would you want to continue with this approach given the results using it thus far?
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But it's also won 6 out of the last 7 popular votes. Over nearly 30 years that's a pretty amazing result. It's currently not successful, due largely to gerrymandering. Which begs the question: should the Democratic Party change its message, or should it try to attack the gerrymandering? 

 
timschochet said:
But it's also won 6 out of the last 7 popular votes. Over nearly 30 years that's a pretty amazing result. It's currently not successful, due largely to gerrymandering. Which begs the question: should the Democratic Party change its message, or should it try to attack the gerrymandering? 
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Gerrymandering is a variable in but one of the three problem areas for the Dems.  Sorry, I don't really care about (now or ever before) the popular vote.  Until it means something, bringing it up is pointless.

 
The Commish said:
Gerrymandering is a variable in but one of the three problem areas for the Dems.  Sorry, I don't really care about (now or ever before) the popular vote.  Until it means something, bringing it up is pointless.
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I bring it up not to argue against the process but to point out that 6 out of 7 suggests that Democratic policies are in fact more popular in this nation than Reublican policies. Democrats should IMO look for ways to take advantage of that rather than alter those policies. 

 
timschochet said:
I bring it up not to argue against the process but to point out that 6 out of 7 suggests that Democratic policies are in fact more popular in this nation than Reublican policies. Democrats should IMO look for ways to take advantage of that rather than alter those policies. 
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I don't think policies have much to do with presidential elections.

 
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