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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

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Loan Sharks said:
From the Clinton spokesperson.

“We do so fully aware that the number of votes separating Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in the closest of these states -- Michigan -- well exceeds the largest margin ever overcome in a recount,“

So you are saying there is a chance?  :lmao:
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This recount "to ensure the integrity of the elecition" will not include New Hampshire, Nevada, or Minnesota where the counts were much, MUCH closer than Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania but were all won by Hillary.  No recounts are being conducted in any state that will not help Hillary if the vote is overturned.

"Computer experts" meet with the Hillary campaign and then Stein files for recounts?

Michigan's vote is not electronic.  It is done solely by paper and scanners.  It is in no way, connected to the internet therefore, cannot be "hacked" as explained by the "computer experts". 

Stein raised a TOTAL of about $3 million for her total campaign yet, she begins this "recount" by posting a goal of $2 million.  She raises $4.8 million in 24 hrs for a recount? And the goal is now $7 million....with no guarantee that the money will go for the recount!

It looks like the Hillary campaign originally thought that no "rigging" would be necessary in the General Election.  This could be their last chance to steal the White House....or just pocket some cash on the way out the door and by putting Stein's name on it....Hillary won't look even MORE like an idiot when she claimed that "anyone not willing to accept the results of an election is a danger to Democracy".

 
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Mr. Ham said:
And here we have it.  The reason he won.  Congrats.  I wouldn't have chosen him, or Clinton.  People like you chose her, and here we are.  And people like you lived in echo chambers and used shame as a weapon that backfired.  My President would have been a sane, reasonable representative void of major scandal and a pattern of corruption.  Sadly, none existed on my ballot.  So thanks for that.    
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Where is this "shaming" stuff coming from? Really?, sounds like broad brushing sore winner talking points --

The whole dialogue post election is interesting -- lets face it, even Trump supporters were shocked that he pulled this off -- even those on the sidelines from where, apparently, the whole issue emanated with the disenfranchised working folks of rust belt and elsewhere --

Kinda like watching a football game with the GOP disenfranchised warriors fighting it out on the grid and some freakish squirrel shows up (probably of Russian genus) giving the game to the GOPers --whilst the beer swilling frat boys (whom all are better off now than they were 4 years ago) take credit for the win, saying they saw it coming all along --

 
Mr. Ham said:
And here we have it.  The reason he won.  Congrats.  I wouldn't have chosen him, or Clinton.  People like you chose her, and here we are.  And people like you lived in echo chambers and used shame as a weapon that backfired.  My President would have been a sane, reasonable representative void of major scandal and a pattern of corruption.  Sadly, none existed on my ballot.  So thanks for that.    
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 The reason he won is because she had no charisma and ran an awful campaign. Not because of the "liberal elite". 

 
Mr. Ham said:
And here we have it.  The reason he won.  Congrats.  I wouldn't have chosen him, or Clinton.  People like you chose her, and here we are.  And people like you lived in echo chambers and used shame as a weapon that backfired.  My President would have been a sane, reasonable representative void of major scandal and a pattern of corruption.  Sadly, none existed on my ballot.  So thanks for that.    
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Not buying it.  Trump won because a lot of white males who won't madmit they support Trump went into the booth, made sure no one was looking, and voted for his incompeten ###.  You fit that description to a tee.  

Congrats.  

 
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tommyGunZ said:
Trump won't because a lot of white males who won't admit they support Trump looked into their wallets, went into the booth made sure no one was looking , and voted for someone who said they care and will do something about it.  Lots and lots of Americans fit that description to a tee.  

Congrats.  
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Rearranged this to make a modicum of sense.  Took a bit of work.

 
tommyGunZ said:
Not buying it.  Trump won't because a lot of white males who won't admit they support Trump went into the booth, made sure no one was looking, and voted for his incompeten ###.  You fit that description to a tee.  

Congrats.  
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I believe in representative government and that we as a nation were bought and paid for and moving in the wrong direction.    Hillary Clinton is the poster child for oligarchy and globalism.  Electing her would have ushered in another era of moving further from the founding principles of our Republic.  She is deeply connected (essentially 5th term for her political dynasty), sneaky and beholden.  I, like so many others, wanted a statement that I was willing to undergo a period of difficult change to rebel against politicians who ran away from the rightful owners of the nation.

I am as passionate about equality and civil rights, but these are the first things to go when the foundation of our government crumbles. I would have vastly preferred a better alternative than Trump, but my decision to reject Clinton was not born of the simplified qualities you suggest.  And in the long run, I am hopeful that the horror that is Trump will get otherwise complacent voters to become politically active and informed and move to the center while at once adopting leadership that represents broadly and according to our system, not a globalist money/power grab.  

But you can and will reduce the complexity of these decisions to labels and a sentiment that I ####ed it all up.  

Want to know who really ####ed it up?  Democrats who decided to abandon principle and coalitions and worship cults.  

I'd have voted for any Democrat who showed an ounce of integrity and believed in something. 

I fear the lesson wasn't learned by far too many.  The Party has to realign around commitments to everyday Americans and not merely global power and celebrity.  

 
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Out of curiosity, I looked up CA's exit polls on CNN. Except for HI, CA had the highest vote share for Hillary. I thought that made for a pretty good test case.

Trump won white males in CA 50-43.

Trump won white non-college educated women 54-42.

Trump won white non-college ed men 64-29.

Trump won Protestants 51-45.

Trump won 9% of the black vote, which is really pretty good.

Trump won 24% of the hispanic vote, which is pretty good. He won only 17% of the Asian vote by comparison.

Trump won people who attend religious service weekly 52-46.

Trump won the voters who held 'can bring change' as the most important quality 76-22.

Trump won voters who believe NEITHER Trump nor Hillary are honest/trustworthy 46-42. - This was the case nationally.

- I think the last two points swung a few states.

 
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Mr. Ham said:
I believe in representative government and that we as a nation were bought and paid for and moving in the wrong direction.    Hillary Clinton is the poster child for oligarchy and globalism.  Electing her would have ushered in another era of moving further from the founding principles of our Republic.  She is deeply connected (essentially 5th term for her political dynasty), sneaky and beholden.  I, like so many others, wanted a statement that I was willing to undergo a period of difficult change to rebel against politicians who ran away from the rightful owners of the nation.
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I guess the good news is that you have helped elect a new poster child for oligarchy.

 
Slapdash said:
Unless those voters are already wealthy, they got conned
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Well, he does appear to be moving ahead with what he said he was going to - drop TPP, renegotiate NAFTA, etc. We'll see how it turns out.  Obama's turn at the wheel has been pretty poor with regards to job recovery, wealth, etc.

As far as conning the populace, that happens with regularity - "Read my lips", "You'll save at least $2,500 on your premiums", "I did not have sexual relations with that woman", etc.

 
Sand said:
Well, he does appear to be moving ahead with what he said he was going to - drop TPP, renegotiate NAFTA, etc. We'll see how it turns out. 
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Yeah, I don't think it is likely at all he will do anymore more than symbolic about existing trade deals.  His tax plans, including corporate tax holidays, are not going to help those pivotal voters in the midwest who have lost jobs through trade/automation...they will shift the tax burden further towards them :2cents:

 
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Slapdash said:
I guess the good news is that you have helped elect a new poster child for oligarchy.
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Not ideal.  But I think there's a better chance at normalization of party candidates in opposition to appeal to the massive blocks that are turned off.  People want moderate, principles leadership.  Most anyway.  

 
Mr. Ham said:
Not ideal.  But I think there's a better chance at normalization of party candidates in opposition to appeal to the massive blocks that are turned off.  People want moderate, principles leadership.  Most anyway.  
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Most people who are eligible don't even vote, and that is just the way our parties want it

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Chomsky endorsed Stein.
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He didn't endorse her, he said he would vote for her because he was in a swing state (he lives in Massachusetts) and his vote was not crucial to the election. This is from January but he said the same thing in May.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/noam-chomsky-supports-hillary-clinton-218192

Chomsky: I'd 'absolutely' vote for Hillary Clinton

Noam Chomsky would “absolutely” choose Hillary Clinton over the Republican nominee if he lived in a swing state, but her primary challenger, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, “doesn’t have much of a chance," the MIT professor and intellectual said in a recent interview.

Chomsky, who lives in the blue state of Massachusetts, said he would vote for Clinton if he lived in a swing state such as Ohio.

 
squistion said:
He didn't endorse her, he said he would vote for her because he was in a swing state (he lives in Massachusetts) and his vote was not crucial to the election. This is from January but he said the same thing in May.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/noam-chomsky-supports-hillary-clinton-218192

Chomsky: I'd 'absolutely' vote for Hillary Clinton

Noam Chomsky would “absolutely” choose Hillary Clinton over the Republican nominee if he lived in a swing state, but her primary challenger, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, “doesn’t have much of a chance," the MIT professor and intellectual said in a recent interview.

Chomsky, who lives in the blue state of Massachusetts, said he would vote for Clinton if he lived in a swing state such as Ohio.
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Why aren't you directing this at Chomsky?  He's the one calling out fellow liberals for not voting for Clinton.

 
squistion said:
He didn't endorse her, he said he would vote for her because he was in a swing state (he lives in Massachusetts) and his vote was not crucial to the election. This is from January but he said the same thing in May.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/noam-chomsky-supports-hillary-clinton-218192

Chomsky: I'd 'absolutely' vote for Hillary Clinton

Noam Chomsky would “absolutely” choose Hillary Clinton over the Republican nominee if he lived in a swing state, but her primary challenger, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, “doesn’t have much of a chance," the MIT professor and intellectual said in a recent interview.

Chomsky, who lives in the blue state of Massachusetts, said he would vote for Clinton if he lived in a swing state such as Ohio.
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That's bull crap.  I voted for Trump even though Hillary won every county in my state.

 
Rohn Jambo said:
That's bull crap.  I voted for Trump even though Hillary won every county in my state.
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No it isn't. Bunch of people in this and the Trump thread said they were casting a vote for Johnson or Stein because the outcome in their state was predetermined, but if they lived in a swing state they would for one of the two major party candidates. I voted for Hillary in California, although I have voted for a 3rd party candidate twice in a presidential election because of the same logic.

 
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Yeah, not much patience for lecturing from Noam when he himself didn't vote Hillary.  He's famous enough that his failing to fully endorse Hillary likely cost her some votes in swing states.  

That's obviously his prerogative, but the lecture rings hollow.

 
timschochet said:
It's an insult to liberals to call Noam Chomsky a liberal. 
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Okay, "person of the left" or "progressive" or whatever.  The point is the same.  Chomsky is apparently calling out people who are left-of-center for not voting for Hillary when he himself did not vote for Hillary.  That's a pretty big problem.  

That said, I share your dislike of Noam Chomsky.  He's a dirtbag.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Okay, "person of the left" or "progressive" or whatever.  The point is the same.  Chomsky is apparently calling out people who are left-of-center for not voting for Hillary when he himself did not vote for Hillary.  That's a pretty big problem.  

That said, I share your dislike of Noam Chomsky.  He's a dirtbag.
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Didn't you say that your vote in South Dakota didn't really matter, that Trump win that state anyway? By the same token Chomsky felt his vote in Mass. was irrelevant because it was not a swing state - Hillary would win the state no matter how he voted. Same as Tim and my vote in California - it was a fait accompli Hillary would take our state.

 
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squistion said:
Didn't you say that your vote in South Dakota didn't really matter, that Trump win that state anyway? By the same token Chomsky felt his vote in Mass. was irrelevant because it was not a swing state - Hillary would eom the state no matter how he voted. Same as Tim and my vote in California - it was a fait accompli Hillary would take our state.
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Yes.  I would have voted for Johnson even if I lived in a swing state, and it would have been an easy decision.  But of course I'm not the one calling out others for not voting for the lesser of two evils.

 
squistion said:
Didn't you say that your vote in South Dakota didn't really matter, that Trump win that state anyway? By the same token Chomsky felt his vote in Mass. was irrelevant because it was not a swing state - Hillary would eom the state no matter how he voted. Same as Tim and my vote in California - it was a fait accompli Hillary would take our state.
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Cali residents.....It all makes sense. 

 
Sand said:
Well, he does appear to be moving ahead with what he said he was going to - drop TPP, renegotiate NAFTA, etc. We'll see how it turns out.  Obama's turn at the wheel has been pretty poor with regards to job recovery, wealth, etc.

As far as conning the populace, that happens with regularity - "Read my lips", "You'll save at least $2,500 on your premiums", "I did not have sexual relations with that woman", etc.
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Pre election: Vote for him because he's not a politician

Post election: But what he's doing is no different than any other politician!

 
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