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Emails just released by the State Department appear to show Clinton Foundation officials brokering a meeting between then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and a top military leader of Bahrain — a Middle Eastern country that is a major foundation donor. Soon after the correspondence about a meeting, Clinton’s State Department significantly increased arms export authorizations to the country’s autocratic government, even as that nation moved to crush pro-democracy protests.
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Those damn coincidences keep happening all around her. 

Think they covered sports and weather in that meeting, Tim?

 
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squistion said:
Do you get a bulk discount on Straw Men?

I didn't say people should be fired for lying.

What I did say was that if Colin Powell's personal assistant made up a conversation she had with him and gave it to a reporter to be used as a quote of Powell's in his book, then she should be fired. Contrary to what you may think, that would grounds for termination in just about any company.
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How are you?

When did you first realize that you were strawtistic?

 
Judicial Watch believes that the Clinton Foundation will shut down by the end of the week.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/23/tom-fitton-on-howie-carr-show-clinton-foundation-will-shut-down-by-end-of-week/

Between the most recent leaks and JW releases, the upcoming releases, and Bill's comments today it appears the jig is up.

Great news for Americans, sad news for CTR shills and UIs.

It is also looking more and more like the FBI or someone within the government is responsible for all of the leaks we have seen, not the RUSSIANS.

Makes sense, they couldn't recommend indictment because of money, power, and the fear of death, so they just leaked all of the incriminating evidence that Hillary is as corrupt and criminal as we all thought.

It is going to be a :popcorn: filled week.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
What if the Secretary of State lied about how she handled classified information?  Would something analogous to that be grounds for termination in just about any company?
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And she was. Obama let her say it was her stepping down to save face. Now she is trying to get a totally different job. What's the problem?

 
Bob Magaw said:
MaxThreshold said:
No, not really.  It's pretty well known by all that your humor in delivery AND content sucks balls.  

In fact, you could say your terrible attempt at humor actually bridges the divide between left and right.  It's actually bringing everyone in universal agreement on how terrible it is.
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Yes, really, I do find your work common and dull. I'm certain you don't speak for everybody. :thumbup:
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IvanKaramazov said:
What if the Secretary of State lied about how she handled classified information?  Would something analogous to that be grounds for termination in just about any company?
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I am not going to relitigate that. This has been discussed for pages and pages and pages ad nauseam.

As Tim and I pointed out, the SOS would not and should not be held to the same standard as your typical company employee. Yes, I know, you disagree and you would be fired from your teaching job if you did the same thing. Stipulated that is your point of view but I don't share that position and we will have to agree to disagree (which you refuse to do and that is also your right).

 
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squistion said:
I am not going to relitigate that. This has been discussed for pages and pages and pages ad nauseam.

As Tim pointed out, the SOS would not and should not be held to the same standard as your typical company employee. Yes, I know, you disagree and you would be fired from your teaching job if you did the same thing. Stipulated that is your point of view but I don't agree with that position and we will have to agree to disagree (which you refuse to do and that is also your right).
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:lmao:

 
Gucci Fur said:
Judicial Watch believes that the Clinton Foundation will shut down by the end of the week.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/23/tom-fitton-on-howie-carr-show-clinton-foundation-will-shut-down-by-end-of-week/

Between the most recent leaks and JW releases, the upcoming releases, and Bill's comments today it appears the jig is up.

Great news for Americans, sad news for CTR shills and UIs.

It is also looking more and more like the FBI or someone within the government is responsible for all of the leaks we have seen, not the RUSSIANS.

Makes sense, they couldn't recommend indictment because of money, power, and the fear of death, so they just leaked all of the incriminating evidence that Hillary is as corrupt and criminal as we all thought.

It is going to be a :popcorn: filled week.
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Breitbart is basically The Trump Briefing. Maybe bring a link that isn't from a site which is a campaign media arm. 

 
timschochet said:
Hillary by 14 points in Florida: 

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/292379-florida-poll-clinton-has-double-digit-lead-over-trump

14 is a lot. I can't recall the last time the spread was this much in Florida. If Hillary wins Florida that's the ballgame. 
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I don't know what kind of record the St Leo University University Polling Institute has, but the most recent poll before that one was Monmouth which had her up 9. So it seems like maybe the Sunshine State is moving away from Trump.

OTOH, Em has said repeatedly that there is no way Clinton wins Florida. So I don't know what what to believe.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
How would it be great news if a charity doing good work around the world shut down?
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Read up on how they used the Haiti tragedy to their (and their cronies) benefit and you may think differently...

Hill has gone by different names...Hillary Rodham, Hillary Rodham Clinton and Hillary Clinton...in reality the only name that fits is Hillary Corleone...

 
Gucci Fur said:
:lmao:

I doubt many here will catch the irony of this statement.
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If you want to make a point about Hillary's connection in the media and her own media arms fine, but BB has leapt past that into a whole new realm where the editor has 'stepped down' but really just 'moved over' to run a campaign and now BB is just a pulp sheet for Trump. It's editor is actually a campaign manager. There is no wall, not even a pretense of one, between BB and the campaign. That's not even getting into its alt right leanings now which are impossible to not notice. I click on Media Matters, Gateway Pundit, hell even the Briefing or any variety of right/left blogs but I'm done with BB. Maybe go through the work of explaining what they are really 'reporting'. They ought to take Andrew Breitbart's name off that site at this point btw, people may have disliked to hated him but he was never what his site has become and he would probably be both revolted and reviled by it today IMO.

 
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PlasmaDogPlasma said:
I don't know what kind of record the St Leo University University Polling Institute has, but the most recent poll before that one was Monmouth which had her up 9. So it seems like maybe the Sunshine State is moving away from Trump.

OTOH, Em has said repeatedly that there is no way Clinton wins Florida. So I don't know what what to believe.
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And a Florida Atlantic University Poll has Trump up 2....

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-florida-august-polls-clinton-trump-20160823-story.html

so I would say that these are outliers

 
squistion said:
Fine, if all you can do is ridicule or insult me, that is your right, but don't expect me to respond to you in the future if laughing emojis is all you got.

If you want me to discuss anything with you, treat me with respect. If not, I won't bother to waste my time.
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How about your words?  Can I use your words?  I thought Tim was the only one who typed out words but didn't mean the words he typed out.  Noted.

I find the double standard pretty entertaining, but it's not personal.  Plenty here run with it.  I'm not sure I care if you respond or not....I don't think I do.  I'm more than happy to give you the respect you earn.  Plenty of people here I disagree with 99% of the time but can still have a good, productive conversation with because they appear to be genuine in their thoughts.  If you're just hear for the political :hophead: and don't really care about anything other than trying to "win" an argument, it's going to be an uphill battle with me.  Probably best to put me on ignore.

 
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Rove! said:
And a Florida Atlantic University Poll has Trump up 2....

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-florida-august-polls-clinton-trump-20160823-story.html

so I would say that these are outliers
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Setting aside partisan politics for a moment to talk nerdy polling stuff, both robocalls and online polling have problems with reaching a representative demographic.  Robocalls in particular, like the FAU one showing Trump up 2, are bad because its illegal to robocall a cellphone, so you eliminate from the sample size anyone who is cellphone-only (mostly younger people and city dwellers). Then they presumably have to try to adjust for that and you end up with nonsense like this that can't possibly be true:
 

• Trump is ahead of Clinton among men (46 percent to 36 percent), independents (47 percent to 26 percent), white voters (49 percent to 33 percent) and 35- to 54-year-olds (53 to 30 percent).

• They're essentially tied among 18 to 34 year olds (38 percent for Clinton, 35 percent for Trump) and 55- to 74-year-old voters (45 percent Clinton and 43 percent Trump).
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Every single one of those age breakdowns seems unlikely.  There's no way they're tied among 18-34 year olds, Clinton should be leading by a mile. There's no way Trump leads by 23 points among 35-54 year olds, it's probably much closer than that. And there's no way Clinton leads by 2 among 55-74 year olds, Trump should be up double digits in that bracket.  All three of those are wildly different than every other age breakdown we've seen in dozens of other polls.

 
I hate to do this but:

PA: check

VA: check

OH: check

FL: check

That's the ball game right there. If she can work hard in these 4 states to keep the momentum where it is currently, it's over.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Don't even need Ohio and Florida.  Barring a Trump miracle in a state currently considered safely blue, PA+VA+NH does the trick.
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Agreed, and PA and VA are so far gone it's almost unbelievable. Their convention strategy, the VP pick, those were big picture strategies that they got right. As a poster in here likes to point out, PA hasn't been much of a swing state in presidential elections anyway. 

What may be interesting to see is if Trump can flip even one of the Obama 2012 states.

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
Agreed, and PA and VA are so far gone it's almost unbelievable. Their convention strategy, the VP pick, those were big picture strategies that they got right. As a poster in here likes to point out, PA hasn't been much of a swing state in presidential elections anyway. 

What may be interesting to see is if Trump can flip even one of the Obama 2012 states.
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I dont know. Anecdotally, PA seems a lot closer to flipping to Trump than the polls show. 

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I dont know. Anecdotally, PA seems a lot closer to flipping to Trump than the polls show. 
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Anecdotally, that could be. She has the endorsement of the governor, the mayor of Philly, held the convention there, and holds a 9-11% point lead according to realclear's averages and 538's site. I believe the other supporting fact was that PA has voted D in presidential elections since 1992, which would have included Bill twice.

 
Rove! said:
And a Florida Atlantic University Poll has Trump up 2....

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-florida-august-polls-clinton-trump-20160823-story.html

so I would say that these are outliers
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The FAU is a robocall poll, the St Leo poll is online. FAU was RV, St. Leo is LV.

Republicans showed some disaffection in the St. Leo survey, with Trump getting support from only 74 percent of his party members. Clinton had the support of 90 percent of Democrats.
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One thing to conclude is that the FAU poll was maybe not getting at D/R party members as much as St. Leo. Regardless fundamentally this is a really bad stat for Trump.

 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
I dont know. Anecdotally, PA seems a lot closer to flipping to Trump than the polls show. 
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I said the same thing about the primaries here in South Carolina.  I think you and I both severely underestimate the power of the establishment, especially on the DNC side of the equation.  Bernie created a few cracks, but it's still holding together rather well.

 
The Commish said:
I said the same thing about the primaries here in South Carolina.  I think you and I both severely underestimate the power of the establishment, especially on the DNC side of the equation.  Bernie created a few cracks, but it's still holding together rather well.
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They definitely have the system down pat. When Donald says the system is rigged, while he might want to choose his words better, he's not entirely off base. He's going up against a machine.

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
Anecdotally, that could be. She has the endorsement of the governor, the mayor of Philly, held the convention there, and holds a 9-11% point lead according to realclear's averages and 538's site. I believe the other supporting fact was that PA has voted D in presidential elections since 1992, which would have included Bill twice.
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I know and I hope that holds true. There are just a lot more crazy people here than outsiders might think. 

 
AOL.com

Since launching her bid for president Hillary Clinton has been a vocal critic of for-profit schools, pledging in speeches across the country to "crack down on predatory schools" and help students drowning in student loan debt.

"If they load students up with debt for programs that don't lead to good paying jobs, students and taxpayers should not be the only ones left holding the bag," said Clinton in a campaign speech in New Hampshire.

She has also slammed her opponent for the problems at his namesake school. Said Clinton, "[Donald Trump] is trying to scam America the way he scammed all those people at Trump University!"

But Trump isn't the only one who has profited. Over five years, former president Bill Clinton earned $17.6 million from the world's largest for-profit education company, Laureate Education, Inc. In his role as "honorary chancellor," Clinton has traveled the world on Laureate's behalf, extolling the virtues of the school.

And some two dozen former and current students at Laureate's flagship school in the U.S. -- an online, for-profit school called Walden University -- told NBC News they feel victimized by the kind of practices Clinton has promised to fight. A 2015 study found Walden students had compiled the second-highest debt load of any school in the U.S.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
http://nypost.com/2016/08/23/new-revelations-show-a-nation-for-sale-under-hillary-clinton/

Good read, not too much substance, but I agree with the premise. I'm sure the Hillary fanboys don't care and will just shrug off anything about her operations, but I agree about how morally & ethically compromised she is.

####### shame that these are our two candidates, way to go America!
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Hillary would not be the first President to come in with the assumption that she was paid for by the wealthy (Chester Arthur and Teddy Roosevelt come to mind) but didn't act for the benefit of the wealthy the way they were expected to. 

 
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cstu said:
Hillary would not be the first President to come in with the assumption that she was paid for by the wealthy (Chester Arthur and Teddy Roosevelt come to mind) but didn't act for the benefit of the wealthy the way they were expected to. 
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Eh nouveau riche might be something that we have not seen before in the WH. The Roosevelts were ollllld money.

 
The Commish said:
How about your words?  Can I use your words?  I thought Tim was the only one who typed out words but didn't mean the words he typed out.  Noted.

I find the double standard pretty entertaining, but it's not personal.  Plenty here run with it.  I'm not sure I care if you respond or not....I don't think I do.  I'm more than happy to give you the respect you earn.  Plenty of people here I disagree with 99% of the time but can still have a good, productive conversation with because they appear to be genuine in their thoughts.  If you're just hear for the political :hophead: and don't really care about anything other than trying to "win" an argument, it's going to be an uphill battle with me.  Probably best to put me on ignore.
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squishy always has to win and needs to get the last word in. It's a compulsion . Just saying

 
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