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Clinton Library set to release Donald Trump records


Former President Bill Clinton’s presidential library is set to make public nearly 500 pages of records pertaining to Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, according to an official notice from the National Archives.

The records will detail the Clinton White House’s interactions with Trump and his Trump Organization, as well as how Clinton aides prepared to field questions about Trump’s entry into the 2000 presidential race, where he sought the nomination of the Reform Party for a few months before dropping out.

The files could revive questions about the friendly relationship Trump had with Bill and and Hillary Clinton before Trump launched his presidential bid last year and began taking a withering line against the Clintons.

“The Clinton Presidential records proposed for opening consist of email concerning birthday notes sent from President Clinton to Mr. Trump. Email also includes references to his campaign for President in 1999,” reads the Jan. 14 notice from the archives, which oversees the presidential records stored at the Clinton Library. “Also present is a printed database entry concerning Trump’s invitations to White House events, a photograph of President Clinton with Donald Trump at Trump Towers in New York, an autographed copy of Mr. Trump’s book The Art of the Deal, and briefing materials for press events that include media questions about Mr. Trump’s possible run for the presidency in 2000.”


The 464 pages of records were prepared in response to a Freedom of Information Act request from Buzzfeed's Christopher Massie of Buzzfeed, an archivist said Thursday. Another request back in 2011 for correspondence from Trump to Clinton or his aides yielded no records, according to the requester and an archivist.


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http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/01/clinton-library-set-to-release-donald-trump-records-218007#ixzz43Y7EBt3l




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tommyGunZ said:
Pretty sure Ham says today will be the day that the BOMBSHELL drops and changes everything.
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Only "bombshell" apt to come is A or B.

A. When it is announced that the DOJ is not pursuing charges, and FBI and IC go bananas.  Mass resignations, leaks of impropriety. Allegations that crimes were buried to extend a third Obama term.  

My odds assessment = 60%.

B.  The case against Hillary is so strong and well developed that charges must be brought lest the fallout tarnish Obama's legacy.  In this case, there has been serious ethics and laws violated, FBI used the year and agents wisely and its air tight.

My odds assessment:  20%.

I say there's an 80% shot of A or B materializing, with a 3:1 advantage to A.  What's the other 20%?  That there was nothing found worth prosecuting.

So don't let go of your hats yet!

 
 


Hillary Clinton’s Emails, Sidney Blumenthal, and Israel


Hillary Clinton’s emails, now being released to the public in batches, contain correspondence with her longtime adviser and confidant Sidney Blumenthal—whose son, Max, is the author of a book of anti-Israel libels that calls for the destruction of the Jewish state. The emails, argues Jonathan Tobin, suggest that the U.S.-Israel alliance is unlikely to flourish if Clinton were to become president:

[W]hat wasn’t clear until today was the extent to which the person whom [Hillary Clinton] has publicly described as a close personal friend was counseling her to distance herself from pro-Israel groups and filling up her email account with anti-Zionist and other left-wing screeds by his son Max that she had printed out for further reading. . . . [T]he Clinton White House political hit man had plenty to say about just about every foreign-policy issue, and the former first lady was eager to hear all of it.

Yet the topic about which [Sidney] Blumenthal seemed to have the most passion was his attempt to steer Clinton away from the sort of pro-Israel stands that she had established while in the Senate. Blumenthal urged her to give “tough love” to Israel. That’s a nice way of saying that he wanted her to lecture and threaten it to bow to the Obama administration’s dictates even if they undermined the alliance between the two countries and Israel’s security. . . .

The assumption has been that if Clinton were elected, the damage done to the U.S.-Israel alliance by Obama would begin to be undone. . . . But so long as Sidney Blumenthal, and by extension his son Max, are going to be treated as valued voices within the Clinton camp, Hillary’s pose as a defender of Israel is no longer credible. She may not go as far as they would like in distancing herself from the pro-Israel community. But the notion that she will restore the closeness Obama wrecked is obviously untrue.
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http://mosaicmagazine.com/picks/2015/09/hillary-clintons-emails-sidney-blumenthal-and-israel/

 
Mr. Ham said:
Only "bombshell" apt to come is A or B.

A. When it is announced that the DOJ is not pursuing charges, and FBI and IC go bananas.  Mass resignations, leaks of impropriety. Allegations that crimes were buried to extend a third Obama term.  

My odds assessment = 60%.

B.  The case against Hillary is so strong and well developed that charges must be brought lest the fallout tarnish Obama's legacy.  In this case, there has been serious ethics and laws violated, FBI used the year and agents wisely and its air tight.

My odds assessment:  20%.

I say there's an 80% shot of A or B materializing, with a 3:1 advantage to A.  What's the other 20%?  That there was nothing found worth prosecuting.

So don't let go of your hats yet!
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I just thought I'd add something that we all seem to forget, often also the press:

- the recovery of Hillary's deleted emails. If the FBI forensics team has recovered these it's a whole new ballgame, things we have no inkling of. If they haven't then it's as we know them to be of course.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I just thought I'd add something that we all seem to forget, often also the press:

- the recovery of Hillary's deleted emails. If the FBI forensics team has recovered these it's a whole new ballgame, things we have no inkling of. If they haven't then it's as we know them to be of course.
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A whole new ballgame involving cookie recipes, wedding plans, and yoga exercises? 

 
A. When it is announced that the DOJ is not pursuing charges, and FBI and IC go bananas.  Mass resignations, leaks of impropriety. Allegations that crimes were buried to extend a third Obama term.  

My odds assessment = 60%.
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My odds assessment = 99%.

If the DOJ was going to do anything they would do it before a Presidential candidate wraps up the nomination.

 
According to CNN Hillary's speech at AIPAC was wonky but displayed specific knowledge and competence. She got no applause for defending the Iran deal, but the audience listened respectfully. They gave her tremendous applause for suggesting that emotional responses to complicated situations (such as banning all Muslims) were dangerous for America and Israel. 

 
timschochet said:
According to CNN Hillary's speech at AIPAC was wonky but displayed specific knowledge and competence. She got no applause for defending the Iran deal, but the audience listened respectfully. They gave her tremendous applause for suggesting that emotional responses to complicated situations (such as banning all Muslims) were dangerous for America and Israel. 
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Righties should love that.

Sidney will be disappointed at the lack of "tough love" though.

 
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Why did Clinton decide not to keep her personal emails?

As logic would indicate there is no way all 35,000 of these emails were yoga routines, family pictures, or missives from Bill.  What was actually deleted were tons of substansive Clinton Foundation emails that would have had a dramatic impact on showing what HRC really did with her time and how the CF and here SoS position intersected. 
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WaPo - Hillary goes to the RIGHT of Donald on Israel.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/03/21/hillary-clinton-gets-to-donald-trumps-right-on-israel/

The great 2016 pivot has begun.

Of course Hillary just has to hype Donald's negatives/unfavorable triggers and act statesmanlike from here on out.

Meanwhile her opponent just prepared his first speech of the campaign for this. Which means he probably shows up wearing a yarmulke, reminds people he has a Jewish daughter and grandkids and explains how he was a Marshall in the NYC Israeli Day parade one year.

This scene will be repeated often in the coming months.

 
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timschochet said:
She got no applause for defending the Iran deal, but the audience listened respectfully.
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Lots and lots and lots of applause about her lines on the Iran deal.
 

We cannot forget that Tehran’s fingerprints are on nearly every conflict across the Middle East, from Syria to Lebanon to Yemen.

The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and its proxies are attempting to establish a position on the Golan from which to threaten Israel, and they continue to fund Palestinian terrorists. In Lebanon, Hezbollah is amassing an arsenal of increasingly sophisticated rockets and artillery that well may be able to hit every city in Israel.

Tonight, you will hear a lot of rhetoric from the other candidates about Iran, but there’s a big difference between talking about holding Tehran accountable and actually doing it. Our next president has to be able to hold together our global coalition and impose real consequences for even the smallest violations of this agreement.

(APPLAUSE)

...If I’m elected the leaders of Iran will have no doubt that if we see any indication that they are violating their commitment not to seek, develop or acquire nuclear weapons, the United States will act to stop it, and that we will do so with force if necessary.

(APPLAUSE)

Iranian provocations, like the recent ballistic missile tests, are also unacceptable and should be answered firmly and quickly including with more sanctions.

(APPLAUSE)

Those missiles were stamped with words declaring, and I quote, “Israel should be wiped from the pages of history.” We know they could reach Israel or hit the tens of thousands of American troops stationed in the Middle East. This is a serious danger and it demands a serious response.

(APPLAUSE)
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Did Wolfowitz get Hillary's email add from Blumenthal?

 
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timschochet still going with the "Hillary's opponents only dislike her because they've bought into false narratives" line, despite not being able to back it up, huh?

 
JohnnyU said:
OMG this country is in trouble if these are our choices.
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It's only a meter of time before the vast majority, who only pay attention to these things in the weeks before an election start to wake up and say "holy ####!" and panic when they see their options...

 
Rove! said:
It's only a meter of time before the vast majority, who only pay attention to these things in the weeks before an election start to wake up and say "holy ####!" and panic when they see their options...
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Hillary advocates a law preventing people from using corporate media to publish political advocacy just before elections, and she would like to amend the 1st Amendment to do that, by the way.

 
timschochet said:
I also accept Hillary's flaws. But in my judgment, she is the most qualified, best prepared candidate to be President in my lifetime, and I am more confident that she will be a good President than I've been about any other candidate I've supported. 
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Good grief.

 
Saints, Hillary has not pivoted to Trump's right on Israel- especially since she supports the Iran deal. 

She is not challenging Trump in terms of left and right- she is challenging him in terms of competence. Her basic implied message is that Trump, whatever position he espouses, is simply not competent enough to be in charge of the foreign affairs of the United States. 

 
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Saints, Hillary has not pivoted to Trump's right on Israel- especially since she supports the Iran deal. 

She is not challenging Trump in terms of left and right- she is challenging him in terms of competence. Her basic implied message is that Trump, whatever position he espouses, is simply not competent enough to be in charge of the foreign affairs of the United States. 
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Did you read the WaPo article?

I agree on the second point but she was still to his right, strongly so, at the Aipac event.

 
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I literally from the time I met her 45 years ago until we talked yesterday, she is the best change maker I have ever known. She always finds a way to make something good happen, to make people feel empowered, to buy people into the process, to make democracy work the way the framers intended for it to work. Now if you don’t believe we can all grow together again, if you don't believe we're ever going to grow again, if you believe it's more important to re-litigate the past, there may be many reasons that you don't want to support her.

But if you believe we can all rise together, if you believe we've finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that where we were practicing trickle-down economics with no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash, then you should vote for her. Because she's the only person who basically has good ideas, will tell you how she's going to pay for them, can be commander-in-chief, and is a proven change maker with Republicans and Democrats and Independents alike.
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This could mean many things, but it's most likely an orchestrated strategy.  Drudge suggested Bill got the heads up that charges are coming and is reacting.  It is at least as likely that the opposite is true and that Hillary camp needs to create the illusion of separation from an Administration tipping the scales.  (Or anything in between).  Regardless, it's curious.  

 
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But if you believe we can all rise together, if you believe we've finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that where we were practicing trickle-down economics with no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash, then you should vote for her.
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Aren't the issues Hillary is running on almost identical to Obama?

Seems Bill is taking Gore's playbook following a successful Democrat President.

Does he not understand that Democrats would re-elect Obama for a third term if given the chance?

 
When people wake up and realize who the major party choices are, I imagine reactions similar to this
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Meh, we nearly had Hillary as the nominee in 2008 and we would have been fine.

 
I'm betting that if the quote is accurate then he misspoke. It completely contradicts everything he has said about Obama's presidency even recently. 

 
timschochet said:
I'm betting that if the quote is accurate then he misspoke. It completely contradicts everything he has said about Obama's presidency even recently. 
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Probably not.  More of why I revile Hillary's politics.  When she needed the Obama legacy to fend off Bernie, she was Obama 3rd term.  That was what, three weeks ago?  Now it's a 180 for a different audience. (Courtesy of Bill).  Everything to everyone.  

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I literally from the time I met her 45 years ago until we talked yesterday, she is the best change maker I have ever known. She always finds a way to make something good happen, to make people feel empowered, to buy people into the process, to make democracy work the way the framers intended for it to work. Now if you don’t believe we can all grow together again, if you don't believe we're ever going to grow again, if you believe it's more important to re-litigate the past, there may be many reasons that you don't want to support her.

But if you believe we can all rise together, if you believe we've finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that where we were practicing trickle-down economics with no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash, then you should vote for her. Because she's the only person who basically has good ideas, will tell you how she's going to pay for them, can be commander-in-chief, and is a proven change maker with Republicans and Democrats and Independents alike.
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We are finally coming to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the crash eight years ago behind us and to start building on that success.  

 
cstu said:
Aren't the issues Hillary is running on almost identical to Obama?

Seems Bill is taking Gore's playbook following a successful Democrat President.

Does he not understand that Democrats would re-elect Obama for a third term if given the chance?
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Who repealed Glass-Steagall? Which Democratic candidate took the most personal and campaign money from Wall Street?

Absurd on multiple levels.  

Why are we stuck with Clintons again?  That's right, the system does not represent the People.

 
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I do not want to say I told you do but one thing Hillary is good at (besides killing) is being a traitor.

 
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Bottomfeeder Sports said:
We are finally coming to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the crash eight years ago behind us and to start building on that success.  
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This is my interpretation as well. Also, for Saints- there is no evidence that Bill Clinton dislikes President Obama. Bill was vital to Obama's re-election in 2012. 

 
timschochet said:
I'm betting that if the quote is accurate then he misspoke. It completely contradicts everything he has said about Obama's presidency even recently. 
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/21/bill-clinton-knocks-obamas-awful-legacy/82094792/

*Update: An aide to Bill Clinton says the legacy he was referring to was Republicans' obstructionism.

"When Republicans controlled the White House, their trickle-down approach drove our economy to the brink of a collapse. After President Obama was elected, Republicans made it their number one goal to block him at every turn," spokesman Angel Urena said in a statement. "That unprecedented obstruction these last eight years is their legacy, and the American people should reject it by electing Hillary Clinton to build on President Obama's success so we can all grow and succeed together."

 
Republicans wouldn't work with Obama but I don't see why they wouldn't happily work with Hillary to achieve her goals. She's not peddling some extreme liberal agenda like Obama or Bernie. 

 
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