Abortion is also an ethical issue which cuts both ways and is not a cut and dry issue of freedom. Everyone citizen has the freedom to vote, having a process to make sure voting is done properly is not areal freedom issue as much as a lazy issue. Marriage is a non-issue anymore. Economic freedom and the right to create a business and grow it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than legalizing drugs. I really don't have that much against legalizing pot, it is just really not all that important to me except that too many people are in jail for it.
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The Commish
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So does doing things so incredibly slow that it's pointless to do. By the time the "solution" to the "problem" is completed in this country the "problem" has changed to something that the original "solution" didn't address making the "solution" a complete waste of time and money.
No, you don't want change as much as anyone else.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
It is a no win for her. If they are just bland speeches people will accuse her of taking 250k bribes. If they are amazing insightful speeches specific to these companies she will be accused of being closely tied to them.
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
The # of immigrants has increased year over year and none of the candidates are against immigration. The debate is around what to do with people who "cut in line" (I don't call them "illegals" so as not to offend you).
I thought the current laws try to allow in a more proportional spread of people across different countries and give preference to skilled workers. The Mexicans pretty much say "screw that" and act like they are our relatives. They come over whenever they want without giving a call first. And they expect nice meals, soft beds and working toilets when they show up unannounced.
Speedy Gonzales outnumber folks from Trump's fatherland and all other countries. I don't blame the little Hitlers from feeling threatened that one day the Aztecs will rise again.
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/05/mexico_germany31.gif
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Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
It is not looking good for Hillary when even the liberal press is starting to bad mouth her. She will be one angry bird very soon.
The mountain of evidence is piling up. Extradition of Romanian hacker, “Guccifer,” who first exposed Hillary's use of a private email server, is another turn of the screw.
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Speaks to her judgement. When you know you're about to run for President, there's no call to give these speeches unless you're currying for favor with at the very least a wink and a nod. It smells and lo and behold people are holding their noses.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
So one day Sanders releases tax returns which show a yearly income less than a single Hillary or Bill cash payment for a speech, and the next day Hillary holds a fundraiser where the ticket costs more than many Americans' earnings for the whole decade.
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Maureen Dowd gets it in this Op-ed piece.
WASHINGTON — IT’S hard not to feel sorry for Hillary Clinton. She is hearing ghostly footsteps.
She’s having her inevitability challenged a second time by a moralizing senator with few accomplishments who chides her on her bad judgment on Iraq and special-interest money, breezily rakes in millions in small donations online, draws tens of thousands to rock-star rallies and gets more votes from young women.
But at least last time, it was a dazzling newcomer who also offered the chance to break a barrier. This time, Hillary is trying to fend off a choleric 74-year-old democratic socialist.
Some close to the campaign say that those ghostly footsteps have made Hillary restive. The déjà vu has exasperated Bill Clinton, who griped to an audience in New York on Friday that young supporters of Bernie Sanders get excited because it sounds good to say, “Just shoot every third person on Wall Street and everything will be fine.”
At the Brooklyn debate, there was acrimony, cacophony, sanctimony and, naturally, baloney.
Hillary gazed at Bernie as though she could hypnotize him into skedaddling. And Bernie waved his index finger and flapped his hands, miming that he won’t budge, no matter how aggravating it is for Clinton Inc.
Sanders flew to the Vatican that night to underscore his vision of himself as the moral candidate. And Hillary headed to California, underscoring Bernie’s portrayal of her as the mercenary candidate. She attended fund-raisers headlined by George and Amal Clooney in San Francisco and at the Clooneys’ L.A. mansion that cost $33,400 per person and $353,400 for two seats at the head table in San Francisco — an “Ocean’s Eleven” safecracking that Sanders labeled “obscene.”
Clinton sowed suspicion again, refusing to cough up her Wall Street speech transcripts. And Sanders faltered on guns, fracking and releasing his tax returns. But he was gutsy, in a New York primary, to say he’d be more evenhanded with Israel and the Palestinians. As my colleague Tom Friedman has warned, we can hurt Israel by loving Israel to death.
Hillary alternately tried to blame and hug the men in her life, divvying up credit in a self-serving way.
After showing some remorse for the 1994 crime bill, saying it had had “unintended” consequences, she stressed that her husband “was the president who actually signed it.” On Libya, she noted that “the decision was the president’s.” And on her desire to train and arm Syrian rebels, she recalled, “The president said no.”
But she wrapped herself in President Obama’s record on climate change and, when criticized on her “super PACs,” said, well, Obama did it, too.
Sanders accused her of pandering to Israel after she said that “if Yasir Arafat had agreed with my husband at Camp David,” there would have been a Palestinian state for 15 years.
Hillary may be right that Bernie is building socialist castles in the sky. But Bernie is right that Hillary’s judgment has often been faulty.
She has shown an unwillingness to be introspective and learn from her mistakes. From health care to Iraq to the email server, she only apologizes at the point of a gun. And even then, she leaves the impression that she is merely sorry to be facing criticism, not that she miscalculated in the first place.
On the server, she told Andrea Mitchell of NBC News that she was sorry it had been “confusing to people and raised a lot of questions.” She has never acknowledged, maybe even to herself, that routing diplomatic emails with classified information through a homebrew server was an outrageous, reckless and foolish thing to do, and disloyal to Obama, whose administration put in place rules for record-keeping that she flouted.
Wouldn’t it be a relief to people if Hillary just acknowledged some mistakes? If she said that her intentions on Libya were good but that she got distracted by other global issues and took her eye off the ball? That the questions that should have been asked about Libya were not asked and knowing this now would make her a better chief executive?
Obama, introspective to a fault, told Chris Wallace of Fox News that not having a better plan after Muammar el-Qaddafi was overthrown was the worst mistake of his presidency. But as usual, Clinton, who talked Obama into it, is defiantly doubling down. As her national security advisers told Kim Ghattas for a piece in Foreign Policy, Clinton “does not see the Libya intervention as a failure, but as a work in progress.”
Clinton accused Sanders of not doing his homework on how he would break up the banks. And she is the queen of homework, always impressively well versed in meetings. But that is what makes her failure to read the National Intelligence Estimate that raised doubts about whether Iraq posed a threat to the U.S. so egregious.
Like other decisions, it was put through a political filter and a paranoid mind-set. She did not want to be seen, in that blindingly patriotic time, as the bohemian woman standing to the left of the military.
When Barack Obama was warned by some supporters in 2002 not to make a speech against the Iraq invasion because it might hurt his political future, he said he was going to do it anyhow because the war was a really terrible idea.
What worries me is whether Hillary has the confidence to make decisions contrary to her political interests. Can she say, “But it’s a really terrible idea”?
This is exactly why Tim like her - she is not beholden to any moral compass - she is free to move in whatever direction to political winds are blowing. She is the antithesis of a leader.
WASHINGTON — IT’S hard not to feel sorry for Hillary Clinton. She is hearing ghostly footsteps.
She’s having her inevitability challenged a second time by a moralizing senator with few accomplishments who chides her on her bad judgment on Iraq and special-interest money, breezily rakes in millions in small donations online, draws tens of thousands to rock-star rallies and gets more votes from young women.
But at least last time, it was a dazzling newcomer who also offered the chance to break a barrier. This time, Hillary is trying to fend off a choleric 74-year-old democratic socialist.
Some close to the campaign say that those ghostly footsteps have made Hillary restive. The déjà vu has exasperated Bill Clinton, who griped to an audience in New York on Friday that young supporters of Bernie Sanders get excited because it sounds good to say, “Just shoot every third person on Wall Street and everything will be fine.”
At the Brooklyn debate, there was acrimony, cacophony, sanctimony and, naturally, baloney.
Hillary gazed at Bernie as though she could hypnotize him into skedaddling. And Bernie waved his index finger and flapped his hands, miming that he won’t budge, no matter how aggravating it is for Clinton Inc.
Sanders flew to the Vatican that night to underscore his vision of himself as the moral candidate. And Hillary headed to California, underscoring Bernie’s portrayal of her as the mercenary candidate. She attended fund-raisers headlined by George and Amal Clooney in San Francisco and at the Clooneys’ L.A. mansion that cost $33,400 per person and $353,400 for two seats at the head table in San Francisco — an “Ocean’s Eleven” safecracking that Sanders labeled “obscene.”
Clinton sowed suspicion again, refusing to cough up her Wall Street speech transcripts. And Sanders faltered on guns, fracking and releasing his tax returns. But he was gutsy, in a New York primary, to say he’d be more evenhanded with Israel and the Palestinians. As my colleague Tom Friedman has warned, we can hurt Israel by loving Israel to death.
Hillary alternately tried to blame and hug the men in her life, divvying up credit in a self-serving way.
After showing some remorse for the 1994 crime bill, saying it had had “unintended” consequences, she stressed that her husband “was the president who actually signed it.” On Libya, she noted that “the decision was the president’s.” And on her desire to train and arm Syrian rebels, she recalled, “The president said no.”
But she wrapped herself in President Obama’s record on climate change and, when criticized on her “super PACs,” said, well, Obama did it, too.
Sanders accused her of pandering to Israel after she said that “if Yasir Arafat had agreed with my husband at Camp David,” there would have been a Palestinian state for 15 years.
Hillary may be right that Bernie is building socialist castles in the sky. But Bernie is right that Hillary’s judgment has often been faulty.
She has shown an unwillingness to be introspective and learn from her mistakes. From health care to Iraq to the email server, she only apologizes at the point of a gun. And even then, she leaves the impression that she is merely sorry to be facing criticism, not that she miscalculated in the first place.
On the server, she told Andrea Mitchell of NBC News that she was sorry it had been “confusing to people and raised a lot of questions.” She has never acknowledged, maybe even to herself, that routing diplomatic emails with classified information through a homebrew server was an outrageous, reckless and foolish thing to do, and disloyal to Obama, whose administration put in place rules for record-keeping that she flouted.
Wouldn’t it be a relief to people if Hillary just acknowledged some mistakes? If she said that her intentions on Libya were good but that she got distracted by other global issues and took her eye off the ball? That the questions that should have been asked about Libya were not asked and knowing this now would make her a better chief executive?
Obama, introspective to a fault, told Chris Wallace of Fox News that not having a better plan after Muammar el-Qaddafi was overthrown was the worst mistake of his presidency. But as usual, Clinton, who talked Obama into it, is defiantly doubling down. As her national security advisers told Kim Ghattas for a piece in Foreign Policy, Clinton “does not see the Libya intervention as a failure, but as a work in progress.”
Clinton accused Sanders of not doing his homework on how he would break up the banks. And she is the queen of homework, always impressively well versed in meetings. But that is what makes her failure to read the National Intelligence Estimate that raised doubts about whether Iraq posed a threat to the U.S. so egregious.
Like other decisions, it was put through a political filter and a paranoid mind-set. She did not want to be seen, in that blindingly patriotic time, as the bohemian woman standing to the left of the military.
When Barack Obama was warned by some supporters in 2002 not to make a speech against the Iraq invasion because it might hurt his political future, he said he was going to do it anyhow because the war was a really terrible idea.
What worries me is whether Hillary has the confidence to make decisions contrary to her political interests. Can she say, “But it’s a really terrible idea”?
This is exactly why Tim like her - she is not beholden to any moral compass - she is free to move in whatever direction to political winds are blowing. She is the antithesis of a leader.
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
Even if Hillary does not win, her private foundation got boatloads of cash from donors while she is the front runner.
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
I own a lot of taxes again this year. I decided to not donate $3 to the Presidential Election Campaign Fund.
Sweet J
Footballguy
We've gotten to a point in current events today that remind me of 1980 all over again: My older family members had me convinced that if Reagan became president, it would intensify an already scary climate with the USSR and could lead to thermonuclear war. Every really bad thunderstorm in the early 80s, as lightning struck and the thunder crashed, I was terrified that our city had just been hit by a nuclear warhead. Yes, I was a jumpy kid.
I eventually settled down as the 80s went on, and Reagan proved to be not the warmonger that my uncles had convinced he'd be. As the Russians showed that they weren't bent on destroying our way of life, as a global economy grew.
But I'm in a weird place again, where the most important thing for me is a leader who will not attempt to stare down every bully on the block, who won't be quick to strike-first-strike-hard-now-mercy-sir, who won't ratchet up the tension and the fear. Someone who will give a lot of thought to the use of force in the world. Who, even if they do decide to use our military, has thought about it from all the angles, all the consequences, with strategy and insight.
In short, I've gotten to a place where I don't give a sh^t anymore about the Supreme Court nominee. Give me a Court-full of Alitos and Robertsons if I can please have a non-crazy foreign policy.
shadrap
Footballguy
Good post. I too am tired of nation building & people getting maimed or worse. We can be the biggest & baddest on the block but sure don't have to show it all the time. We can't change crap in the middle east. It's been the same for 2000 years. Let them kill, maim, & rape each other. They seem to be very good at it without our help.
The Commish
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Dr Oadi
Footballguy
The vast right wing conspiracy marches on.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/legal-group-poised-quiz-clinton-aides-email-server-042451102--politics.html
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
SNL cold open debate skit last night.... featuring Larry David and Julia Louis-Dreyfus as Elaine Benes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dCClwMqJK8
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
In terms of Hillary's many ways to make money from public office just a reminder she was on Wal-Mart's board while Bill was governor.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don't care what American corporation donates to Hillary or how much.
If you're one of those who DOES care about this, I strongly suspect you were never gonna vote for her anyhow.
If you're one of those who DOES care about this, I strongly suspect you were never gonna vote for her anyhow.
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You say this about dozens of issues. Since a lot of the hatred for Wall Street comes from the left, you are particularly way off base on this one. I am not sure why you think you have to over-generalize and group people into buckets to dismiss their point of view. It is kind of disturbing
NorvilleBarnes
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SaintsInDome2006
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The Commish
Footballguy
Can't we all generally agree that this is probably more attributed to the "fear" element being peddled because of her potential GOP opponent? Seems like to be a HUGE factor here and on the internet. If I had a nickel for every time someone brought up SC justice elections, starting nuclear war, "setting the country back 30 years" (I don't even know what that means honestly), I'd be relaxing on some island I purchased with all those nickels.
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
Yes, we know you don't care that Hillary is corrupt as long as she is for "open migration" and "climate change".
Have you taken the Hillary vs. Bernie quiz to see which of them really supports your values?
http://bernievshillary.org/#/home
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Sand
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Former NY Senator & grandma clueless & confused about bill to authorize lawsuits about 9/11/01 attacks.
Former employee confounded that she can be that out if it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7c9NUcY5JA4&ebc=ANyPxKrcaFlH4D7Qz018CHG2J354S-Rdbo34Ue1P58liZSm4l2eizsKnteNaRGkZflESgJAXphditKQuZJWNLY-FZJgxXk_p4g
Former employee confounded that she can be that out if it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7c9NUcY5JA4&ebc=ANyPxKrcaFlH4D7Qz018CHG2J354S-Rdbo34Ue1P58liZSm4l2eizsKnteNaRGkZflESgJAXphditKQuZJWNLY-FZJgxXk_p4g
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/17/hillary_clinton_of_course_i_never_endangered_national_security.html
- Obama was wrong when he said Hillary had admitted to being careless, she won't say it.
Negligence is on the table.
As for no one ever raising any questions in the future:
. Good one, Hillary.
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skol asylum
Footballguy
For being a politician she's incredibly stupid. She is completely unable to be contrite at all ever for any of her poor judgment or actions. She seems to be absolutely clueless that showing a little humility and admitting mistakes would go a long way in cleaning up her terrible image.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
She is too arrogant to admit a mistake not to mention her belief that rules don't apply to her.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/donald-trump-admits-he-makes-mistakes.htmlSounds like you are describing Trump.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
I just love how pleased she is with herself on how she was able to skillfully pivot from not answering the question to turning it into an attack on Sanders. And by love, I mean despise.
timschochet
Footballguy
Hillary thanked George W. Bush today for defying other Republicans and giving New York City 20 million in federal funds after 9/11. She added, "I have no time for partisan politicians."
SaintsInDome2006
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Sand
Footballguy
pretty much ever.Smack Tripper
Footballguy
If only the poor president had round the clock security with him at all times he might not have been stalked.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
This post was literally the next post after someone directly quoted Hillary saying "it was a mistake".
Keep that narrative rolling, facts be damned!
Gopher State
Footballguy
Afters sanders interview to the NY Daily Clinton is a lock to win NY, yes it's over for the berm
msommer
Footballguy
News flash: People are paid to sit on boards
Also: Scientists confirm, Water is wet and the sky is blue
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
How often do their spouses hold the regulatory reins affecting the profits of said board?
msommer
Footballguy
What Walmart friendly legislation was voted into Arkansas state law or federal law as a direct consequence of the governors influence?
SaintsInDome2006
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