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Thanks, good effort, but you'll have to go Trumpite to defend Trump vs his prior statements over a lifetime. Same guy flipped from wanting to imprison women for abortions to calling for maintaining Roe in the space of 24 hours.
I'm not sure what you mean. He said he would defund planned parenthood.  That means Clinton is absolutely justified in criticizing him for saying he'd defund planned parenthood.  Seems pretty simple to me. Do you disagree?  Am I missing something here?  I feel like I'm missing something.

 
that's awesome.  Warren - or as I like to call her by her Indian name: "Squats with Unions" - may have completely sold out now.   :lmao:

Guess she's not as closer to Bernie than HRC as everyone all thought.
Sure she hates those Wall Street speeches but she will sup at their beneficiary's table.

I'm sure Liz demanded Hillary hand over those transcripts, pronto.

 
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I'm not sure what you mean. He said he would defund planned parenthood.  That means Clinton is absolutely justified in criticizing him for saying he'd defund planned parenthood.  Seems pretty simple to me. Do you disagree?  Am I missing something here?  I feel like I'm missing something.
Yeah he also backed off and said he wouldn't defund PP, and PP praised him. He's supported abortion / pro-life his whole life.

 
That link is from August 2015.  The clip I posted is from a debate in February 2016. He actually moved from opposing defunding to supporting it, not the other way around.
Ok good point. He's gone from pro-life to wanting to imprison women for abortions to supporting Roe to praising PP to defunding it to not defunding it to defunding it - as stated in a debate. Can't wait to hear what he says next on the subject.

 
PP is kind of like Guantanamo...it represents something bad to a group of people...wouldn't a nice compromise be to defund PP and put that $ into another group representing women's health care?  There would be no defunding in this area it would just go to a new group that didn't have legit questions surrounding it as well as  representing something a large slice of Americans are uncomfortable with...

 
To you perhaps.  This event means a lot of different things to a lot of different people.  Again, it's not either/or.  I've said from the beginning that I couldn't care less about the email content.  It doesn't interest me all that much outside the entertainment that stems from trying to explain the content away.  Standing up a SERVER ( I don't even care her motive for setting it up).  Thinking it was acceptable to put a personal SERVER on a government network tells us plenty about her judgment and ethics.  If you choose to ignore, that's fine.  Do your thing :shrug:   
This has nothing to do with the article we were discussing.  

If your only concern is the ethics and judgment of setting up an email server, the point has already been conceded by Hillary and pretty much everyone except maybe Tim.  You want to keep harping on it because you wanted pure as the driven snow Bernie.  Thing is, that's a pipe dream at this point absent an indictment.  And an indictment is dependent on the content of those emails.  So really, that's the only thing even moderately interesting to talk about anymore.

 
Ok good point. He's gone from pro-life to wanting to imprison women for abortions to supporting Roe to praising PP to defunding it to not defunding it to defunding it - as stated in a debate. Can't wait to hear what he says next on the subject.
It does make him awfully easy to campaign against.  Whatever side of an issue you want to criticize, chances are he's taken it at one point or another.

 
PP is kind of like Guantanamo...it represents something bad to a group of people...wouldn't a nice compromise be to defund PP and put that $ into another group representing women's health care?  There would be no defunding in this area it would just go to a new group that didn't have legit questions surrounding it as well as  representing something a large slice of Americans are uncomfortable with...
How many Americans are uncomfortable with the job Planned Parenthood is doing with women's healthcare?  If less than half then shifting funds to a like modeled organization seems like it would be a bureaucratic hassle with additional costs thrown in on top, aka government waste.

 
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Tobias, have to laugh - I mean part of the joy of this election is it's so outrageous we can all take of our political hats and relax.

- I mean look at Donald Trump. Look at his history with women, who he is as a person. You think that guy is against abortions? I'm thinking he's paid for a couple himself over the years.

 
The Hill supporters have brought up Nuclear weapons lately...this story would make it look like she doesn't take that area too seriously...but the important thing is someone donated to her and got ahead...two sets of rules...one for Hill and Lizzie and one for everyone else...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/10/clinton-aide-accused-getting-top-donor-on-nuclear-advisory-board.html?intcmp=hpbt1
Hillary's sycophants will continue you to ignore this story. What else can they do? This is the reason the email/server story is a big deal. Here's your quid pro quo. She's a criminal. 

 
There is no chance the FBI would do anything other than exhaust all possible avenues of investigation in this case.  Anyone that thinks otherwise is foolish, and the President doesn't strike me as foolish.

 
It does make him awfully easy to campaign against.  Whatever side of an issue you want to criticize, chances are he's taken it at one point or another.
It's true! He has no position and he has every position. Literally the only things that matter to him are his ego (including what he thinks of people's perception of him) and his rep as a 'deal maker.' Everything he says and does is affected by that.

 
There is no chance the FBI would do anything other than exhaust all possible avenues of investigation in this case.  Anyone that thinks otherwise is foolish, and the President doesn't strike me as foolish.
Yeah what was your phrase? There's "nothing"? If the president had that conversation it would be unethical for him to not tell the FBI to shut it down. Sure that's worth intruding a presidential nominee and her staff with interviews, court filings and seized data for over a year.

 
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This has nothing to do with the article we were discussing.  

If your only concern is the ethics and judgment of setting up an email server, the point has already been conceded by Hillary and pretty much everyone except maybe Tim.  You want to keep harping on it because you wanted pure as the driven snow Bernie.  Thing is, that's a pipe dream at this point absent an indictment.  And an indictment is dependent on the content of those emails.  So really, that's the only thing even moderately interesting to talk about anymore.
I keep harping on it because of the subject, not because of Bernie.  If Bernie weren't running I'd still have the opinion that her judgment is lacking in an incredibly significant way :shrug:  

 
Yeah what was your phrase? There's "nothing"? If the president had that conversation it would be unethical for him to not tell the FBI to shut it down. Sure that's worth intruding a presidential nominee and her staff with interviews, court filings and seized data for over a year.
None of this is worth it imo unless it leads to an overall upgrade in our computer infrastructure and improved categorization of data (i.e. less random crap being classified)  But sometimes political theater must be played out.

 
How many Americans are uncomfortable with the job Planned Parenthood is doing with women's healthcare?  If less than half then shifting funds to a like modeled organization seems like it would be a bureaucratic hassle with additional costs thrown in on top, aka government waste.
I think that is a legit concern...yet, if we can change our whole health care system with Obamacare I am sure we can find a way to do this... 

 
Hillary's sycophants will continue you to ignore this story. What else can they do? This is the reason the email/server story is a big deal. Here's your quid pro quo. She's a criminal. 
I don't like seeing stuff like this, it's indicative of why I wasn't a huge Clinton fan before she became "not Trump." 

But this is not remotely close to the "hands in the cookie jar" revelation you guys think it is. It's a fairly inconsequential and not particularly influential board that has an undetermined # of members (up to 30), so it's not like he took a job from someone else. And they are supposed to "reflect a balance of backgrounds, points of view, and demographic diversity and shall include a wide variety of scientific, military, diplomatic, and political backgrounds," which if nothing else gives her adequate cover for why he was chosen. Looks like your standard issue "get an interesting side gig for a friend" type deal.  

And there's zero chance it was a quid pro quo deal, because there's nothing all that prestigious about the gig, and the pay tops out around $150K even if he's full time, which is presumably less than his donation to the Foundation considering the media has labeled him a "major donor." In other words if this was a quid pro quo that would mean that he effectively paid to work. He'd be the dumbest influence buyer ever.

 
Hillary's sycophants will continue you to ignore this story. What else can they do? This is the reason the email/server story is a big deal. Here's your quid pro quo. She's a criminal. 
The thing I am truly getting impressed with Hill is how much of this nonsense she is involved in...it is not a few things here and there...it is non-stop and she just dominates with this type of stuff...you almost can't focus on anything because something new comes out right after you learn about something else...

 
None of this is worth it imo unless it leads to an overall upgrade in our computer infrastructure and improved categorization of data (i.e. less random crap being classified)  But sometimes political theater must be played out.
So now the investigation is political theatre? That's rich. Truly that's not something I think Obama would accept, he wouldn't be putting his administration and party through this for the sake of a troll.

 
Hillary's sycophants will continue you to ignore this story. What else can they do? This is the reason the email/server story is a big deal. Here's your quid pro quo. She's a criminal. 
If you donate a large amount of money to any campaign then you'll get something for it, usually an ambassadorship.  Stupid of her to put him on an intel board though.

 
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I don't like seeing stuff like this, it's indicative of why I wasn't a huge Clinton fan before she became "not Trump." 

But this is not remotely close to the "hands in the cookie jar" revelation you guys think it is. It's a fairly inconsequential and not particularly influential board that has an undetermined # of members (up to 30), so it's not like he took a job from someone else. And they are supposed to "reflect a balance of backgrounds, points of view, and demographic diversity and shall include a wide variety of scientific, military, diplomatic, and political backgrounds," which if nothing else gives her adequate cover for why he was chosen. Looks like your standard issue "get an interesting side gig for a friend" type deal.  

And there's zero chance it was a quid pro quo deal, because there's nothing all that prestigious about the gig, and the pay tops out around $150K even if he's full time, which is presumably less than his donation to the Foundation considering the media has labeled him a "major donor." In other words if this was a quid pro quo that would mean that he effectively paid to work. He'd be the dumbest influence buyer ever.
If it wasn't quid pro quo, then why when questioned about this guy why wasn't there an alternative explanation? Instead the Clintons stalled and then booted this guy off the committee and tried to act like it never happened. Do you think that's good enough? 

Also, you have no idea what the value of this position was to this guy. 

 
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If you donate a large amount of money to any campaign then you'll get something for it, usually an ambassadorship.  Stupid of her to put him on an intel board though.
Campaign? She was SOS. She didn't have a campaign. She did have giant slush fund that was made look like a charity though. 

It's really amazing the #### people will accept to protect their political brand. SMH

 
Again, this is nothing new and not on point to the WSJ article.
First to admit that I haven't read all the :hophead:  articles around this.  So if the article you are referring to isn't about how Clinton and her staff handled information, I apologize.  If it was about how she and her staff handled information, it takes quite the exercise in mental gymnastics to separate the information from the vehicles through which the information was passed.  It's on the level of "she's not under investigation, her server is" and "it's not an investigation, it's a security review".

 
If it wasn't quid pro quo, then why when questioned about this guy why wasn't there an alternative explanation? Instead the Clintons stalled and then booted this guy off the committee and tried to act like it never happened. Do you think that's good enough? 

Also, you have no idea what the value of this position was to this guy. 
I assume they stalled and then booted him because the optics are bad.  I'm a supporter and even I don't like it, as I said.

But it's not remotely close to what you're making it out to be.  You called her a criminal- what statute did she violate? 

And I assume there's no quid pro quo because while it's possible he valued the position, it's hard to imagine it would be worth more to him than the hundreds of thousands of dollars he apparently donated to the Clintons.  It's one of 20-30 positions on an obscure board with minimal influence.  It's akin to an ambassadorship, like cstu said, except far less prestigious.  And ambassadorships are handed out to friends and donors all the time by everyone. I don't like that, which is why I don't like this either, but it's a practice as old as our embassies.

 
Tried to Google this thread.  No trace.  

Used the search words Hillary and football.  Suggested topics were Hillary Clinton Brandeis Football Star and Did Hillary Clinton Invent Football.

Same search on Bing and I ended up here.

Odd.

 
First to admit that I haven't read all the :hophead:  articles around this.  So if the article you are referring to isn't about how Clinton and her staff handled information, I apologize.  If it was about how she and her staff handled information, it takes quite the exercise in mental gymnastics to separate the information from the vehicles through which the information was passed.  It's on the level of "she's not under investigation, her server is" and "it's not an investigation, it's a security review".
It was about information on a potential drone strike that was vaguely referenced in emails that went over State's non-secure server and then was forwarded to Hillary's server.  So yes, it's about how the staff handled information, but whether Hillary had a State email or her private email, the information was compromised before it ever got to her.  So the question that's actually important to this story is whether the vague references were suffficient cover or if any and all communications should have been done over a secure network regardless of their lack of specificity.  

 
Trump's not wrong when he calls her Crooked Hillary, it just that's just not a good enough reason to vote for Trump over Clinton (sorry Donald, but you're nuts and I love ya for it). And pre-emptively, yes its a choice between 2 people, and yes that sucks, and yes we should fix the system, yada yada. This year, now, this is the choice. So, I'll have to go with first woman president over my boy the Don, as much of an entitled schrill that she is.

 
I assume they stalled and then booted him because the optics are bad.  I'm a supporter and even I don't like it, as I said.

But it's not remotely close to what you're making it out to be.  You called her a criminal- what statute did she violate? 

And I assume there's no quid pro quo because while it's possible he valued the position, it's hard to imagine it would be worth more to him than the hundreds of thousands of dollars he apparently donated to the Clintons.  It's one of 20-30 positions on an obscure board with minimal influence.  It's akin to an ambassadorship, like cstu said, except far less prestigious.  And ambassadorships are handed out to friends and donors all the time by everyone. I don't like that, which is why I don't like this either, but it's a practice as old as our embassies.
What statute? I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure that a public official can't take money from some mook and then put him on a committee he's completely unqualified for. Isn't that a bribe? Maybe I'm wrong about that. Is that legal? 

Really though, this is just one more example of "bad optics" for the Clintons and the shady speaking fees and donations to the foundation. I know you see it. You think it looks bad because it is.

Also, can we stop pretending like we're experts about how prestigious or what the value of this being on this committee are? I don't know. You don't know. CSTU doesn't know. 

 
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What statute? I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure that a public official can't take money from some mook and then put him on a committee he's completely unqualified for. Isn't that a bribe? Maybe I'm wrong about that. Is that legal? 

Really though, this is just one more example of "bad optics" for the Clintons and the shady speaking fees and donations to the foundation. I know you see it. You think it's looks bad because it is.

Also, can we stop pretending like we're experts about how prestigious or what the value of this being on this committee are? I don't know. You don't know. CSTU doesn't know. 
She didn't take money, he made donations to her campaign and apparently her charitable foundation.  If it was a crime to appoint donors to political positions every president and cabinet member in our lifetime would be a crook [insert joke here].

Yeah, it looks bad.  It would definitely get some run in a normal campaign.  Might even get some in this one.  But I suspect that this story, like anything else that's not a major scandal, is gonna get blotted out by the giant orange distraction running against her.

I don't know that much about the board but I read the charter, so I know he was just one of as many as 30 members and I know generally what kind of stuff they did. Seems kinda meh. I can't even come up with an explanation as to why someone would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a spot, which is why I seriously doubt that it was a quid pro quo type arrangement in the sense that he paid directly for the position. More of just your standard issue appointment of a friend/political ally to a low stress gig.

 
lol. 

There are people in this thread who accuse Hillary of mass murder on a regular basis. There is a guy going around calling her the one true bigot in the race. There is one guy who claims that Obama is going to have to fire James Comey, and many others who loudly claim "the fix is in". 

Not one comment from you about any of these folks. And yet when I offer anything positive about Hillary you accuse me of intellectual dishonesty and carrying on a propaganda campaign. Just too funny. 
Tim you don't respond to those fringe folks either.  Your dishonesty doesn't come from saying positive things, it's deliberately dismissing her obvious shortcomings and burying your head in the sand regarding a very serious criminal investigation of her. 

 
She didn't take money, he made donations to her campaign and apparently her charitable foundation.  If it was a crime to appoint donors to political positions every president and cabinet member in our lifetime would be a crook [insert joke here].

Yeah, it looks bad.  It would definitely get some run in a normal campaign.  Might even get some in this one.  But I suspect that this story, like anything else that's not a major scandal, is gonna get blotted out by the giant orange distraction running against her.

I don't know that much about the board but I read the charter, so I know he was just one of as many as 30 members and I know generally what kind of stuff they did. Seems kinda meh. I can't even come up with an explanation as to why someone would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a spot, which is why I seriously doubt that it was a quid pro quo type arrangement in the sense that he paid directly for the position. More of just your standard issue appointment of a friend/political ally to a low stress gig.
Donations to her campaign? You know that she reported that she paid herself $250,000 last year from campaign funds. I'm sure she wasn't living on ramen noodles in 08. Also, if it wasn't a crime, then I'm sure she'll tell us why she appointed the guy in the first place because everyone does it. I'm sure she won't stonewall and say this story came from the vast right wing conspiracy. 

 
Donations to her campaign? You know that she reported that she paid herself $250,000 last year from campaign funds. I'm sure she wasn't living on ramen noodles in 08. Also, if it wasn't a crime, then I'm sure she'll tell us why she appointed the guy in the first place because everyone does it. I'm sure she won't stonewall and say this story came from the vast right wing conspiracy. 
Is your argument here that if a politician is less than 100% forthright and prompt in response to an inquiry that a crime has been committed?  If that's the case then every politician in history is a criminal [again insert joke here].

 
Is your argument here that if a politician is less than 100% forthright and prompt in response to an inquiry that a crime has been committed?  If that's the case then every politician in history is a criminal [again insert joke here].
My argument is that this is stuff that's on the server that Tim and his ilk says doesn't matter. She deleted 30k emails and tried to keep all her comingling of personal/foundation/state business for this very reason. 

 
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Ok good point. He's gone from pro-life to wanting to imprison women for abortions to supporting Roe to praising PP to defunding it to not defunding it to defunding it - as stated in a debate. Can't wait to hear what he says next on the subject.
It's simple really. When he's for PP, he's talking about Planned Parenthood. When he's against PP, he's talking about pee-pee, which, by the way, is disgusting. Just disgusting. I don't even wanna talk about it, that's how disgusting it is. When Trump is President, believe me, we won't go pee-pee anymore. It'll be tremendous, and he's very proud of that.

 
Is your argument here that if a politician is less than 100% forthright and prompt in response to an inquiry that a crime has been committed?  If that's the case then every politician in history is a criminal [again insert joke here].
It's just that some are more criminal than others...

 
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