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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (3 Viewers)

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ShamrockPride said:
So Hillary has now been proven to be incredibly careless and ignorant, maybe not to an indictable level, but how does this make her any better than Trump?

Which is worse? Being ignorant about the protection of top secret, federally protected information, or shouting ignorant comments about race/ethnicity?
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Trump.  A thousand times, Trump.

 
Delegates from the 2016 Primaries...

South Carolina...39 to 14

Alabama...44 to 9

Georgia 73 to 29

Arkansas 22 to 10

Tennessee 44 to 23

Texas 147 to 75...I'm widening the South a little here. 

Virginia 62 to 33

Louisiana 37 to 14

Mississippi 31 to 5

Florida 141 to 73

North Carolina and Kentucky were the last 2 states in the South to vote, towards the end when Sanders had a lot of momentum and actually almost won Kentucky. 

Roughly 630 to 290 or close to 70% of the vote or delegates, nowhere else did she come close to this kind of dominance. I find it funny that a pretty racist area of the country gets a free pass for racism simply because they vote to the left, that seems highly unfair. 

 
Whitewater

Vince Foster (and countless other murder victims)

White House Christmas Card List (I'm not even joking)

White House Travel Office

Rose Law Firm Records

Benghazi

E-mails

Context is everything.  They've been throwing the same stupid #### at her for 20 years now.  But you'll get her next time for sure. 

 
No idea what the last 5 pages says, but, this happened as predicted because quite frankly, the server's contents aren't all that important.  Now, can we get to a genuine conversation about how this whole fiasco is a display of incredibly poor judgment bordering on blatant carelessness?  TIA.

 
I was on the road and just now read the FBI statement.  Seems perfectly reasonable to me, although I might be biased since the FBI apparently reached the same conclusion that I did several months ago (albeit with far more information than I ever had).  Clearly negligent and reckless, but not the sort of thing that would be prosecuted.

Edit: Also, I'm glad the FBI came out and actually addressed all of this directly.  Comey is absolutely right that the public has a right to know in broad terms what they found and why they made the recommendation they made.

 
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The Commish said:
No idea what the last 5 pages says, but, this happened as predicted because quite frankly, the server's contents aren't all that important.  Now, can we get to a genuine conversation about how this whole fiasco is a display of incredibly poor judgment bordering on blatant carelessness?  TIA.
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Yes. A more focused discussion around her feelings of superiority would be better placed than quoting nitty gritty details about statute sub section F. 

 
wdcrob said:
Whitewater

Vince Foster (and countless other murder victims)

White House Christmas Card List (I'm not even joking)

White House Travel Office

Rose Law Firm Records

Benghazi

E-mails

Context is everything.  They've been throwing the same stupid #### at her for 20 years now.  But you'll get her next time for sure. 
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Lessee where does this leave us? The best look at it:

 - Represented a bank on an illegal loan before board members who were political appointees of her husband. - Not criminal but dumb. Everyone else went to jail.

- Dragged a poor guy with depression problems up to DC from Little Rock and squeezed him between herself and a Congressional committee investigating her and her husband's stupid decisions. - Tragic and dumb.

- Hid records in the middle of a Congressional investigation. In a closet. Was fingerprinted by the FBI as a result. - Not criminal but dumb.

- Believed the internet and news reports over her own intelligence and military. - Not criminal but dumb.

- Decided it would be a good idea to take all her public correspondence and stick it on her own private server, including classified correspondence, then destroy all the data. - Potentially criminal but not a prosecutable crime, and dumb, dumb, dumb.

Yeay for us, this is our next president.

 
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Smack Tripper said:
So good news America, if you don't intend to drive drunk, you didn't ACTUALLY drive drunk, no charges!
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There's actually a better analogy here -- we convict people of DUI because they COULD HAVE killed someone, even though in the vast majority of cases there was no injury or death involved. 

Comey said that Hillary was careless with classified information, and even sent and received unsecured emails in foreign countries, and therefore it's plausible that national secrets were compromised. Oh but we can't prove that actually happened so it's all good. How many lives were put at risk? Impossible to know without seeing the emails but potentially thousands or millions. A hell of a lot more than a drunk driver risks on the drive home from the bar. 

This is EXACTLY the same principle as an armed robber getting 20 years while the bankers responsible for the housing crash walked away with huge bonuses. This kind of crap is why people on both sides are so fed up.

 
Seems to me that an author ought to know the difference between the meaning of the word "careless" and the word "negligent" 

Certainly Corney does

 
FBI director: Clinton emails were marked as classified at the time


FBI Director James Comey on Tuesday said that some of the information on Hillary Clinton’s private email server was marked as classified and ought to be treated as such at the time it was sent, undermining a key claim of the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate.

A total of 113 emails contained information that federal agencies say was sensitive at the time it was sent or received, Comey told reporters.

And a small — but undisclosed — number of emails were marked as such.

“A very small number of the emails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information,” Comey said.

The twin revelations torpedo a key claim of the former secretary of State, who has pleaded ignorance about the presence of classified information on her “homebrew” email setup. ...
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- Pretty much the central theme (and lie) of every statement Hillary has ever made on this matter.

 
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It's hard to read Comey's statement as anything other than a wholesale rebuke of the story Clinton and her campaign team have been telling ever since the existence of her private email server came to light in spring 2015. She did send and receive classified emails. The setup did leave her — and the classified information on the server — subject to a possible foreign hack. She and her team did delete emails as personal that contained professional information.

Those are facts, facts delivered by the Justice Department of a Democratic administration. And those facts run absolutely counter to the narrative put forth by the Clinton operation: that this whole thing was a Republican witch-hunt pushed by a bored and adversarial media.
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msommer said:
Seems to me that an author ought to know the difference between the meaning of the word "careless" and the word "negligent" 

Certainly Corney does
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In the English language they're synonyms. I'm guessing in a legal sense you're not "negligent" unless some provable harm has occurred, even if you were clearly careless and created a situation where the harm was more likely to occur. 

So basically Hillary left an infant on the patio next to a pool and ran to the liquor store, but won't be prosecuted because the kid didn't drown.

 
McGarnicle said:
In the English language they're synonyms. I'm guessing in a legal sense you're not "negligent" unless some provable harm has occurred, even if you were clearly careless and created a situation where the harm was more likely to occur. 

So basically Hillary left an infant on the patio next to a pool and ran to the liquor store, but won't be prosecuted because the kid didn't drown.
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In a legal context they are not synonymous. HTH

 
McGarnicle said:
There's actually a better analogy here -- we convict people of DUI because they COULD HAVE killed someone, even though in the vast majority of cases there was no injury or death involved. 

Comey said that Hillary was careless with classified information, and even sent and received unsecured emails in foreign countries, and therefore it's plausible that national secrets were compromised. Oh but we can't prove that actually happened so it's all good. How many lives were put at risk? Impossible to know without seeing the emails but potentially thousands or millions. A hell of a lot more than a drunk driver risks on the drive home from the bar. 

This is EXACTLY the same principle as an armed robber getting 20 years while the bankers responsible for the housing crash walked away with huge bonuses. This kind of crap is why people on both sides are so fed up.
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:goodposting:   "it's technically not illegal, so they're good" shtick is tiresome, but the only way to go if you're hell bent on defending these ### hats

 
Politician Spock said:
Based on today's news, he should run as an independent... and so should a conservative. That's the only way the country doesn't elect Dumb or Dumber.
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Maybe the 2 parties should get together and mutually agree the voters got it wrong this time and each select someone else.  That way neither can accuse the other of ignoring the "will of the people" as they would both be doing it.  I guess that wouldn't help with the narrative that the 2 parties aren't responsive to the people, but maybe just this once? :oldunsure:

 
This really is stupid. I'm not responsible for a dumb solution crafted by my IT team or staff. They are the experts. 

If Hillary said: I want to hide my classified emails and other things from the government or public despite the law, figure out how to get it done, that's one thing. 

If she said, I want to have my emails in one place. Figure out how to make it easier and get it done, that's another. 

 
The Clintons’ brazenness makes them look terrible. We’ll bet it makes them feel terrible too. But as we observed in February with respect to elderly feminists’ loyalty to the Clintons, when you give up your integrity to defend someone, you are all the more invested in the defense.

Love the line about elderly feminists but it should real elderly feminists and Hildos.  

 
Seven new revelations from FBI’s Clinton probe


FBI Director James Comey shed new light on Hillary Clinton’s private email setup when he announced Tuesday that the FBI would not recommend charges against the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.

Here are some of the new details revealed by Comey.

113 emails were classified at the time they were sent

Thousands of work emails were deleted

No official emails were ‘intentionally’ deleted

There were likely more work-related emails that will never be recovered

Clinton used more than one server and multiple mobile devices

It's ‘possible’ she was hacked

Anyone else might have faced administrative punishments
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I think the conclusion I totally disagree with is the idea that the work emails were not intentionally destroyed:

While deciding which emails to preserve and which to delete, Clinton’s lawyers also used a search tool and did not go through the emails one by one, as officials from the FBI did as part of their investigation. In doing so, they may have accidentally overlooked some emails that should have been sent to the government.

“So it is not surprising that we discovered emails that were not on Secretary Clinton’s system in 2014, when she produced the 30,000 emails to the State Department,” Comey said.
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- Such a tool is entirely designed by what you plug into it. The easiest way to do this is to exclude certain senders or recipients from the search tool and to exclude certain/many terms.

Basically this was garbage in / garbage out of the simplest order.

 
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It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.

We have conducted interviews and done technical examination to attempt to understand how that sorting was done by her attorneys. Although we do not have complete visibility because we are not able to fully reconstruct the electronic record of that sorting...
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- Comey

This is really incredible. I guess this means that the FBI was not able to recover the deleted emails. How this is not obstruction of justice I am not sure.

I think this means they did wipe the server after all? And the backup data from River Platte and Datto did not pan out? I am really curious about if there is a final definitive answer to this.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.

We have conducted interviews and done technical examination to attempt to understand how that sorting was done by her attorneys. Although we do not have complete visibility because we are not able to fully reconstruct the electronic record of that sorting...
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- Comey

This is really incredible. I guess this means that the FBI was not able to recover the deleted emails. How this is not obstruction of justice I am not sure.

I think this means they did wipe the server after all? And the backup data from River Platte and Datto did not pan out? I am really curious about if there is a final definitive answer to this.
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Wipe?  You mean like with a cloth?

 
I'm not going to go back and read the last 8 pages, but any honest (I know, haha) person running for office should recuse themselves after today.  There's no way you can be found to be "extremely reckless" with the handling of top secret information and still run for any office, let alone president.  There's also no way the current president can be seen walking off an airplane smiling with the said person, just a couple of hours after Comey's new conference. 

Democrats are extremely lucky to be running against Trump, but today may still open the door for a Trump win.

 
It's in indictment on us that we care about something so inconsequential...and then we have the gall to complain about the government not functioning properly.  Maybe, just maybe, we're not functioning properly.  

 
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