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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (12 Viewers)

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Mr. Ham said:
I just want it on her record in context with the myth of her contributions to families and women, as with her treatment of Bill's victims.  It's all part of her file, and should all be weighted for what it is...  Including the victim's opinion of what went down.
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Wow, going back to 1975, to find something, most FBG's were not even born then.  Maybe if you look deeper you find that she jay walked in 1974!  

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Isn't the likely explanation that Clinton staffers put him in the camera view because he looks sorta brown, not knowing who he was?  My impression is that Democrats especially like to stock their backdrops with a diverse-looking group of people.
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If there is ever a useful purpose for a breeder of a terrorist, it's in collage of diversity.

 
raidergil said:
Not that we know of but, you'd think HRC team would at least be good enough to help FBI & ask him where his daughter-in-law is....
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Also, on his " show" he has expressed support for the Taliban and is likely a homophobe

Paul Begala was on CNN earlier saying that she needs to disavow him

it just makes too much sense 

 
Rove! said:
Also, on his " show" he has expressed support for the Taliban and is likely a homophobe

Paul Begala was on CNN earlier saying that she needs to disavow him

it just makes too much sense 
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What are we talking about here? Normal campaign, normal election, this kind of mistake would be elemental, it would drive the news cycle for a week? Who at Hillary's campaign ok'd this? Was this purposeful strategy? Was it a mistake? Was it stupidity? Does it evince some internal weakness, some blind spot towards terrorism?

Forget it. Trump comes out and suggests conservatives and 2nd Amendment supporters might assassinate his opponent. Forget if he meant it or not, it's done. It can't be revoked. Hillary makes the single biggest error politically of the campaign outside her constant dissembling on the emails and the very next day Il Trumpo comes to her rescue and seizes the dumbmentum right back. 

Same guy has spent $0 on tv advertising. Yeah that's real.

It's pointless.

 
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Hillary seems to have that tiny problem of not understanding security in all walks of life.  Except when she gets to propagate the lie with her friends in high places.  Weird.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Video in the link now linked on Youtube, you can watch and comment if you like. He eludes to it and it's weird that the guy was killed but nothing taken from him. Someone just random kill? No motive? 

It's worth discussion. 
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Ok it's 2 minutes long. About 0:58 he gets into it. Couple thoughts:

- Assange and WL used to claim their sources were anonymous. If that's true then how would he know Rich was a source?

- There are Russian digital fingerprints all over the metadata. Seth Rich didn't jump into every byte and manually type in Cyrillic clues.

- Assange does not say or even claim the gov killed Rich. He says 'some are saying that.' GP itself says that that's a theory on Reddit. 

I'd say do your homework at Reddit and come back with whatever theory is offered there. But Assange offers nothing.

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Personally I think this is much more significant.

That's Roger Stone saying he has been in touch with Assange about hacking the Foundation. That's collusion in a crime if he's telling the truth. And he and Trump are peas in a pod.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
What are we talking about here? Normal campaign, normal election, this kind of mistake would be elemental, it would drive the news cycle for a week? Who at Hillary's campaign ok'd this? Was this purposeful strategy? Was it a mistake? Was it stupidity? Does it evince some internal weakness, some blind spot towards terrorism?

Forget it. Trump comes out and suggests conservatives and 2nd Amendment supporters might assassinate his opponent. Forget if he meant it or not, it's done. It can't be revoked. Hillary makes the single biggest error politically of the campaign outside her constant dissembling on the emails and the very next day Il Trumpo comes to her rescue and seizes the dumbmentum right back. 

Same guy has spent $0 on tv advertising. Yeah that's real.

It's pointless.
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It's almost like he's running cover for the Clintons.... :tinfoilhat:  

 
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The General said:
HFS has the Clinton thread always been this amazingly crazy :lol:  

I have been missing out.
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Not quite.

Always a little out of left field with Sinn Fein, Saints and friends telling us every day for a year up until the Iowa Caucus that nobody liked Hillary and she could never win any election, not even for dog catcher.

It started going mental when Mr. Ham came aboard...I guess about 6-8 months ago with his conspiracy theories de jour.

However, it didn't go completely off the deep end until recently, when it became obvious Hillary would be our next president, adding Trump supporters and conservatives to the already apoplectic resident Hillary haters and demoralized Bernie fans.

This will be either be (depending on your perspective) an entertaining or demented Hillary Hate Fest Thread until election day in November.

 
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Since this is apparently the unOfficial SJW Thread About Nothing (uOSJWTAN) I'll share this link here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nfzsMDl1GNY&feature=youtu.be

Protesters in Ferguson are standing in the road, you will never guess what happens next! (someone gets run over)

As the crowd gathers round screaming and snapchatting, you will never guess what happens next! (gunshots ring out)

The crowd who was protesting police starts yelling for... You will never guess! (the police)

Hopefully the dude who was in the middle of the road who got plowed makes a full recovery.

 
squistion said:
Not quite.

Always a little out of left field with Sinn Fein, Saints and friends telling us every day for a year up until the Iowa Caucus that nobody liked Hillary and she could never win any election, not even for dog catcher.

It started going mental when Mr. Ham came aboard...I guess about 6-8 months ago with his conspiracy theories de jour.

However, it didn't go completely off the deep end until recently, when it became obvious Hillary would be our next president, adding Trump supporters and conservatives to the already apoplectic resident Hillary haters and demoralized Bernie fans.

This will be either be (depending on your perspective) an entertaining or demented Hillary Hate Fest Thread until election day in November.
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I just point stuff like this out every day:

https://youtu.be/gzFPpHT17_E

 
squistion said:
The General said:
HFS has the Clinton thread always been this amazingly crazy :lol:  

I have been missing out.
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Not quite.

Always a little out of left field with Sinn Fein, Saints and friends telling us every day for a year up until the Iowa Caucus that nobody liked Hillary and she could never win any election, not even for dog catcher.

It started going mental when Mr. Ham came aboard...I guess about 6-8 months ago with his conspiracy theories de jour.

However, it didn't go completely off the deep end until recently, when it became obvious Hillary would be our next president, adding Trump supporters and conservatives to the already apoplectic resident Hillary haters and demoralized Bernie fans.

This will be either be (depending on your perspective) an entertaining or demented Hillary Hate Fest Thread until election day in November.
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Aw....you're being modest squis...don't forget your meltdowns and mental gymnastics that added to the crazy :lol:   add a little Tim (well, a lot of Tim) and this thread's been pretty entertaining for sure.

 
squistion said:
Not quite.

Always a little out of left field with Sinn Fein, Saints and friends telling us every day for a year up until the Iowa Caucus that nobody liked Hillary and she could never win any election, not even for dog catcher.

It started going mental when Mr. Ham came aboard...I guess about 6-8 months ago with his conspiracy theories de jour.

However, it didn't go completely off the deep end until recently, when it became obvious Hillary would be our next president, adding Trump supporters and conservatives to the already apoplectic resident Hillary haters and demoralized Bernie fans.

This will be either be (depending on your perspective) an entertaining or demented Hillary Hate Fest Thread until election day in November.
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Jesus Squiz, I'm going to say you don't read posts as I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you wouldn't make stuff up on purpose. You always have to get personal, even when there's common ground. You can relax now, she's going to win in a walk against the all time worst candidate anyone could have dreamed up. Time to get positive.

 
Rove! said:
Huma had access to all of Hillary's emails....

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/29372#efmAFYAGZAHlAIhAJrALn
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That's true but we did not need WL to know this, it's been out there for a while. That's a previously produced email. Huma did not have clearance for a lot of this, and actually IMO it's an open question if others at the Foundation or Teneo had access too. Justin Cooper and Pagliano are two obvious examples but Hillary's emails may have likely been on a shared network.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Well if he was it wouldn't look any different.
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Seriously.  I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and no I don't think Trump is a tool of the Clintons (if for no other reason than there's no way they ever could have hoped that he would actually win the Republican nomination).  He's just a racist imbecile who stumbled into the nomination of a major party that's in serious disarray right now.

But the amazing thing is that if you started with the null hypothesis that Trump is actively trying to get Hillary elected, I can't think of anything that's happened so far that would push you toward rejecting that hypothesis.  Every single thing the guy has done has been completely consistent with what would have to be the zaniest, most out-there conspiracy theory in modern American history, up there with "The Moon Landing Was Staged" and "Tupac Is Still Alive."  It's really breathtaking. 

 
"Hillary wants to abolish -- essentially abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know,"  - Donald Trump 2016

“My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.”  - Hillary Clinton 2008

I think both of these quotes are pretty awful but is there really any difference in the two?

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Seriously.  I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and no I don't think Trump is a tool of the Clintons (if for no other reason than there's no way they ever could have hoped that he would actually win the Republican nomination).  He's just a racist imbecile who stumbled into the nomination of a major party that's in serious disarray right now.

But the amazing thing is that if you started with the null hypothesis that Trump is actively trying to get Hillary elected, I can't think of anything that's happened so far that would push you toward rejecting that hypothesis.  Every single thing the guy has done has been completely consistent with what would have to be the zaniest, most out-there conspiracy theory in modern American history, up there with "The Moon Landing Was Staged" and "Tupac Is Still Alive."  It's really breathtaking. 
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He found the secret sauce of illegal immigration/terrorism/economy of his appeal 

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
"Hillary wants to abolish -- essentially abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know,"  - Donald Trump 2016

“My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.”  - Hillary Clinton 2008

I think both of these quotes are pretty awful but is there really any difference in the two?
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Well in one of them a near lifetime Democrat suggests 2nd Amendment supporters are unhinged anarchists who might actually take a shot at an opposing presidential candidate, and in the other Hillary engaged in bizarre wishful thinking disguised as historical discussion. Trump was engaged in wishful thinking but took the extra step of exhorting a specific group of people - "Those 2nd Amendment people" - to do it. Worst thing is Hillary has never said anything that hateful about conservatives. Remember when Obama said the line about 'bitter clingers of guns etc'? It was Hillary who criticized him for that. Trump suggests they're a bunch of potential assassins. Real nice message for people trying to limit the 2nd Amendment btw.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Well in one of them a near lifetime Democrat suggests 2nd Amendment supporters are unhinged anarchists who might actually take a shot at an opposing presidential candidate, and in the other Hillary engaged in bizarre wishful thinking disguised as historical discussion. Trump was engaged in wishful thinking but took the extra step of exhorting a specific group of people - "Those 2nd Amendment people" - to do it. Worst thing is Hillary has never said anything that hateful about conservatives. Remember when Obama said the line about 'bitter clingers of guns etc'? It was Hillary who criticized him for that. Trump suggests they're a bunch of potential assassins. Real nice message for people trying to limit the 2nd Amendment btw.
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Fair point but I guess where I was going with it was simply around the implied nature of each quote.  Is Donald's quote more of a call for violence than Hillary's quote?

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
"Hillary wants to abolish -- essentially abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know,"  - Donald Trump 2016

“My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.”  - Hillary Clinton 2008

I think both of these quotes are pretty awful but is there really any difference in the two?
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Practically?  No....in the world of ridiculous political spin, yes.  Now sit back and be entertained :popcorn:   

 
squistion said:
Not quite.

Always a little out of left field with Sinn Fein, Saints and friends telling us every day for a year up until the Iowa Caucus that nobody liked Hillary and she could never win any election, not even for dog catcher.

It started going mental when Mr. Ham came aboard...I guess about 6-8 months ago with his conspiracy theories de jour.

However, it didn't go completely off the deep end until recently, when it became obvious Hillary would be our next president, adding Trump supporters and conservatives to the already apoplectic resident Hillary haters and demoralized Bernie fans.

This will be either be (depending on your perspective) an entertaining or demented Hillary Hate Fest Thread until election day in November.
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Pretty much just referring to the murder stuff. I get that she's not the most likable and is not very inspiring candidate :lol:  

I do think she is uniquely prepared for the current political climate.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Legitimate issues which he has completely distorted and poisoned all rational discussion on.
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Again, the difference between Trump and past "politicians" is that in the past, each one would pick one of the above and run on a feigned exasperation of the problems associated with the topic.  It's red meat for a select group of people and would divide the crazy between candidates.  Trump went all in and used all of them and collected all the crazy for himself.  Throw on top of that #### sandwich that while the politicians would run on these items, once in office they were forgotten or ignored.  That results in people feeling forgotten and ignored.  That results in anger.  Go through enough election cycles doing this and you end up with Trump as the GOP nominee.  

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
Fair point but I guess where I was going with it was simply around the implied nature of each quote.  Is Donald's quote more of a call for violence than Hillary's quote?
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I think so, and I think the context is important.  

Hillary's quote came in response to calls for her to drop out of the 2008 primary because she couldn't realistically catch Obama.  I perceived it as saying something akin to "I'm staying in because you never know what could happen."  To help make that point, she mentioned what happened during the 1968 primary, when one of the leading candidates died.  She didn't say that someone could or should kill Obama, the point was just that weird stuff happens and she was staying in just in case something weird happened.  When people pointed out to her that it could be perceived as wishing that Obama might die, she apologized and said that wasn't her intent.

Trump's quote was at a rally and wasn't really in response to anything except himself.  On his own accord, he told the audience that there was "nothing they could do" if Hillary got to appoint justices.  And then he suggested that maybe there was something that could be done.  To me, that seems at least a step or two closer to suggesting that someone should do something.

With that said, I don't think Trump was actually trying to get someone to kill Hillary or threatening Hillary or anything.  I just think he said every dumb thing that pops in his head.  But instead of apologizing like Hillary, he now claims that his words meant something completely different from the way most people understood them.

 
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Trump lies like a 12 year old lies.  Always got some excuse for his words and actions and never grown up enough to just say "oops, my bad".  

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
I think so, and I think the context is important.  

Hillary's quote came in response to calls for her to drop out of the 2008 primary because she couldn't realistically catch Obama.  I perceived it as saying something akin to "I'm staying in because you never know what could happen."  To help make that point, she mentioned what happened during the 1968 primary, when one of the leading candidates died.  She didn't say that someone could or should kill Obama, the point was just that weird stuff happens and she was staying in just in case something weird happened.  When people pointed out to her that it could be perceived as wishing that Obama might die, she apologized and said that wasn't her intent.

Trump's quote was at a rally and wasn't really in response to anything except himself.  On his own accord, he told the audience that there was "nothing they could do" if Hillary got to appoint justices.  And then he suggested that maybe there was something that could be done.  To me, that seems at least a step or two closer to suggesting that someone should do something.

With that said, I don't think Trump was actually trying to get someone to kill Hillary or threatening Hillary or anything.  I just think he said every dumb thing that pops in his head.  But instead of apologizing like Hillary, he now claims that his words meant something completely different from the way most people understood them.
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This sounds very familiar to me :lmao:

To your overall point, I think the reason I don't see them all that different from a practical standpoint is because of "he said every dumb thing that pops in his head" point.  It's quite the juxtaposition we are observing.  One one hand "Trump is the biggest liar ever and you can't trust a single word that he says" on the other "Oh my God!!!  Can you believe he just said....." are tough to reconcile with one another.

NOTE:  This isn't a comment directed at you specifically FG....just a general comment on the current state of affairs in American politics.

 
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