Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (36 Viewers)

[Sinn Fein]

Bubba going after the "Coal People" in West Virginia and Eastern Kentucky on Friday.  Almost feels like a concerted effort by the campaign to denigrate some of Trump's base supporters.  Seems like an odd strategy - but maybe this works out for them in the end.

 

[Guest]

In a month she'll claim she never said it and she'll be clear. 

"Well, I take full responsibility. I never said it, but the buck stops here.  I never said it nor was it said to me at the time I said it...  Which I cannot recall.  Talk to my aide, I mean attorney.  Diplomatic immunity."

 

[timschochet]

  I am now strongly leaning towards flat out voting for Trump.  

We're all shocked by this. 

 

[Guest]

We're all shocked by this. 

She's as divisive as it gets.  Outspending Trump by hundreds of millions, she's sold every bit of herself and still can't buy the People's love; just like she could never have Bill's.  One of the most epic political failures of all time, despite how corrupted the entire status quo is towards her.  It's becoming so very clear that she just -- isn't appealing, isn't wanted.  If Shakespeare were only alive to write the tragedy.  

 

[Rove!]

In a month she'll claim she never said it and she'll be clear. 

The vast right conspiracy and their ventriloquists strike again...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Can you imagine how inelegant her concession speech will be?

"Ok, America, let me explain..."

 

[Billy Bats]

Can you imagine how inelegant her concession speech will be?

Maybe she'll cough up a couple more alien eggs and keep it interesting. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

WHITEWATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111111

I was listening to Karen Tumulty of WaPo on NPR this afternoon and she pointed out that Hillary's decision to withhold the Rose billing records - over the strenuous objections of George Stephanopoulas and David Gergen - eventually led to the boiling assumption that 'she must be hiding something' which led to the appointment of special prosecutor Ken Starr which led to Lewinsky. Stephanopoulas has said that if he could have one day to live over again at the WH it was that day because history might have been different if he could have convinced Bill not to listen to his wife. Anyway people wonder how all that ancient history is relevant and how Hillary's email investigation could continue to matter, well consider that.

 

[Daywalker]

Anyone else think the "deplorables" remark was calculated?

I think her supporters right now are saying, "damm right they are."

Having a debate whether Trump and his supporters are racist is not a bad thing for Clinton.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Bubba going after the "Coal People" in West Virginia and Eastern Kentucky on Friday.  Almost feels like a concerted effort by the campaign to denigrate some of Trump's base supporters.  Seems like an odd strategy - but maybe this works out for them in the end.

Here's how the strategy could actually work: 

Now this may well indeed be how Hillary does view quite a large slice of the American electorate and she was just—for once—being frank, but I suspect that she was also signaling something to her own supporters (actual and potential), and, in particular to college-educated whites, a segment where she is faring better in this election than Democrats tend to do. What she was effectively saying to that section of the electorate was that, by voting for her, they would be proving that they were not “racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it.” Offering people a way to make themselves feel virtuous is not a stupid way to go. Clinton’s ‘gaffe’ will enrage, insult or offend many, but it may play well with a decisive few.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Anyone else think the "deplorables" remark was calculated?

I think her supporters right now are saying, "damm right they are."

Having a debate whether Trump and his supporters are racist is not a bad thing for Clinton.

Cstu said that he/you may be right. It also changes the topic in an instant from the FBI email revelations because the right wing will go nuts on it. Might be too smart by half though. That's supposed to be Trump's game I'm not sure why Hillary is playing it.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Here's how the strategy could actually work: 

If this is a conscious strategy I don't get it.   Hillary is the one who thanks to Trump has had the chance to be 'virtuous' here. If she starts getting in the mud with him that's the mistake some of his GOP rivals made. If this is purposeful it seems totally unnecessary and risky. 

 

[rockaction]

If this is a conscious strategy I don't get it.   Hillary is the one who thanks to Trump has had the chance to be 'virtuous' here. If she starts getting in the mud with him that's the mistake some of his GOP rivals made. If this is purposeful it seems totally unnecessary and risky. 

I think it serves the purpose of pointing out to professionals otherwise not inclined to vote for her exactly who and what they are up against. I think it's actually a good tactic. If she can get the independents who still care about this election to come out and vote for her, she's in good stead.  And it's quite the great rhetoric.  

 

[Daywalker]

Cstu said that he/you may be right. It also changes the topic in an instant from the FBI email revelations because the right wing will go nuts on it. Might be too smart by half though. That's supposed to be Trump's game I'm not sure why Hillary is playing it.

Earlier in the day she walked back to the podium and gave those comments about how this is turning into a reality show.  Then the "deplorable" comments later that night.  Think she just got fed up with the craziness.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Earlier in the day she walked back to the podium and gave those comments about how this is turning into a reality show.  Then the "deplorable" comments later that night.  Think she just got fed up with the craziness.

But isn't this sort of reality show fare? After the townhall I myself felt 'the time for suffering fools is over' but Hillary is in a different situation, being the professional adult is one important thing she has going for her. 

This also smacks of tag teaming with WaPo and the press to change the subject.  However there is nothing Trump would love more than a name calling slapfight.

 

[Phil Elliott]

In a month she'll claim she never said it and she'll be clear. 

In a week the press will say she never said it and she'll be clear.

 

[Politician Spock]

Earlier in the day she walked back to the podium and gave those comments about how this is turning into a reality show.  Then the "deplorable" comments later that night.  Think she just got fed up with the craziness.

It's supposed to be a reality show. The fact that she doesn't know that reveals just how much of a fake she is. 

 

[Todd Andrews]

Take 2:

actually thinking about it some more, what did Romney say? That nearly half of all Americans are likely Democratic voters because they benefit from government spending in some way?

Meanwhile, Hillary called Trump supporters horrible human beings worthy of contempt (people who should be deplored).

It's actually worse than what Romney said. I think this might stick.

You sort of have the facts wrong.

Romney actually said that 47% of the people dont pay federal income tax, so they are moochers who will always vote for the Dem ticket. That is pretty contemptible, especially considering many of that 47% are enlisted military with kids, elderly retired people, and the working poor who benefit from the expanded EITC (and expanding the EITC has been the GOP go to for decades every time the Dems propose raising the minimum wage, so he was essentially calling a bunch of working people who benefit from Republican tax legislation policy a bunch of moochers--nice). 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

You sort of have the facts wrong.

Romney actually said that 47% of the people dont pay federal income tax, so they are moochers who will always vote for the Dem ticket. That is pretty contemptible, especially considering many of that 47% are enlisted military with kids, elderly retired people, and the working poor who benefit from the expanded EITC (and expanding the EITC has been the GOP go to for decades every time the Dems propose raising the minimum wage, so he was essentially calling a bunch of working people who benefit from Republican tax legislation policy a bunch of moochers--nice). 

Good point, I think you're right about the 'not paying tax' part.

 

[bueno]

remember this- no matter how you feel about Trump's supporters- we are all in this together, and Clinton isn't helping

edit--  I am NOT a Trump supporter

Obviously, Hillary doesn't think we are all in this together.

 

[cobalt_27]

Basket of deplorables?  Irredeemable?  I'm just catching up, having put every device on mute the last 24 hours.  But, for the love of God, what on earth was she thinking?

 

[Phil Elliott]

Hillary supports inclusion...well, except for those that are excluded. 

 

[tommyGunZ]

Her comments don't shock me at all.

Not from the aspect that they aren't shocking thing to say, but from the aspect that I already knew she's a #####.

Why would they be shocking?  Isn't she right? 

 

[Ghost Rider]

Why would they be shocking?  Isn't she right? 

I know that you defend Democrats to the death, so this will fall on deaf ears, but whether she is right or not is irrelevant: it was a stupid and irresponsible thing to say.  

Just because something is right doesn't mean it is always cool to say it. If I walked up to a 300 lb person on the street and said, "Wow, you are really fat," would you excuse it and suggest it was okay because I was right?  

 

[rockaction]

Why would they be shocking?  Isn't she right? 

There's an awful large swath of the population that might disagree with you. Simply because you, a majority, a super-majority, or what have you says she's "right" doesn't mean she is.

 

[tommyGunZ]

There's an awful large swath of the population that might disagree with you. Simply because you, a majority, a super-majority, or what have you says she's "right" doesn't mean she is.

Of course people will disagree.  They're wrong.  

 

[tommyGunZ]

I know that you defend Democrats to the death, so this will fall on deaf ears, but whether she is right or not is irrelevant: it was a stupid and irresponsible thing to say.  

Just because something is right doesn't mean it is always cool to say it. If I walked up to a 300 lb person on the street and said, "Wow, you are really fat," would you excuse it and suggest it was okay because I was right?  

Sure - it wasn't a politically savvy thing to say.  But she's not wrong.  

 

[rockaction]

Of course people will disagree.  They're wrong.  

It's awful hard to make one the arbiter of something without coming off hubristically, and you've managed to fail that one, too, tommy.  But that's okay, so don't lots of arbiters of correct behavior and thought. 

 

[Daywalker]

Sure - it wasn't a politically savvy thing to say.  But she's not wrong.  

May be politically savvy.  Her base is not going anywhere.  Neither are her unfavorables.

Her base is disgusted with Trump and wants to hear this.  It energizes them.  

So it's down to independents.  If Trump wants to spend the next two months talking about racism I'd think Clinton welcomes it.  Let's put it front and center instead of Trump just getting away with his BS.  

Has Trump even said Obama was born in the U.S. yet? Let's have that discussion.

 

[Guest]

Cognitive Computing is absolutely being used to form strategy.  Predictive models are being run to understand sentiment.  If a calculated move is being made to denigrate Trump supporters then it is informed by data.  What these models do not yet factor, or it is at least hard to, is when the strategy itself alters behaviors (i.e. backlash).  It remains to be seen which way this one breaks.

 

[cobalt_27]

Sure - it wasn't a politically savvy thing to say.  But she's not wrong.  

Stupid unforced error.  Do we want her to be right or do we want her to be effective?  At this stage, it doesn't matter if she's right or not (and I suppose she has no reliable research data to back up the rhetoric, anyway), this was a stupid, unnecessary misstep.  

 

[Daywalker]

Cognitive Computing is absolutely being used to form strategy.  Predictive models are being run to understand sentiment.  If a calculated move is being made to denigrate Trump supporters then it is informed by data.  What these models do not yet factor, or it is at least hard to, is when the strategy itself alters behaviors (i.e. backlash).  It remains to be seen which way this one breaks.

Please.  They want the backlash.  Anyone voicing support for Trump sounds like a loon.

 

[Daywalker]

Voice support for Trump?  You come off like Rudy Giuliani.  My god.  He was Mister 9/11.  Beloved.  Now he'll be remembered as a buffoon.  

 

[Politician Spock]

Why would they be shocking?  Isn't she right? 

Because she just did exactly what she's been condemning Trump for doing. Doesn't matter whether or not she's right. It's hypocrisy. And hypocrisy is typically shocking. But it doesn't shock me at all that she's a hypocrite. I've come to expect that, as well as other ####ty behavior from her. She's a #####. 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Anyone else think the "deplorables" remark was calculated?

I think her supporters right now are saying, "damm right they are."

Having a debate whether Trump and his supporters are racist is not a bad thing for Clinton.

I think all of us -- except for one or two high-volume posters in this thread -- would agree that the only way for Clinton to win this election is to convince a plurality of the electorate that she's not quite as bad as Trump.  Fortunately for her, that's an extremely easy case to make.  I'm only one person, but I've despised Hillary for decades and I despise her no less today than ever before, and even I will happily concede that Trump is obviously worse.  If she can win me over using this message, it really ought to succeed across enough people to drag her withered frame over the finish line.  

The right way to do this is to focus on Trump, though, not his supporters.  Attacking your opponent is fair game obviously.  Attacking his or her supporters just comes off as divisive and us-against-them, which actually makes Hillary more like Trump when she ought to be showing how she's different than Trump.  

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Because she just did exactly what she's been condemning Trump for doing. Doesn't matter whether or not she's right. It's hypocrisy. And hypocrisy is typically shocking. But it doesn't shock me at all that she's a hypocrite. 

Hypocrisy is when somebody publicly says X while really believing Y.  We know Hillary is a hypocrite, because she's publicly said both X ("Stronger Together") and Y (she views Republicans as the enemy, and Trump supporters in particular as deplorable).  

The interesting question is which of these does Hillary believe, and which part is the hypocritical part.  Personally, I don't think there's anything clever or calculating about the "basket of deplorables" line or her little "joke" in last year's debate about Republicans being the enemy.  I suspect those were unguarded moments of ill-advised candor.  It's the stuff about bringing people together that she has to say through clenched teeth.    

 

[The Commish]

Because she just did exactly what she's been condemning Trump for doing. Doesn't matter whether or not she's right. It's hypocrisy. And hypocrisy is typically shocking. But it doesn't shock me at all that she's a hypocrite. 

Hypocrisy is when somebody publicly says X while really believing Y.  We know Hillary is a hypocrite, because she's publicly said both X ("Stronger Together") and Y (she views Republicans as the enemy, and Trump supporters in particular as deplorable).  

The interesting question is which of these does Hillary believe, and which part is the hypocritical part.  Personally, I don't think there's anything clever or calculating about the "basket of deplorables" line or her little "joke" in last year's debate about Republicans being the enemy.  I suspect those were unguarded moments of ill-advised candor.  It's the stuff about bringing people together that she has to say through clenched teeth. 

Tend to agree here....don't think she cares much one way or the other for the electorate (outside of children).  Every time she speaks on "unity" or the like, I feel like just prior to the lights and camera coming on she's muttering to herself "Ugh, this crap again, ok....here we go"  Then proceeds to walk out and do her poor impression of political   

ETA:  People say she's not good at politics and I agree.  She doesn't like them, but views them as a necessary evil to get to her throne.  Can't hide that sort of thing and that's why she seems to swing and miss so often.  It's interesting that TGunz bar is now "she's not wrong".  That is an incredibly slippery slope and relies almost soley on a place of personal judgment of others.  That's a huge door to leave flapping in the wind.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Yep. One of my worst faults, and a good reason why I would be a terrible politician. 

####### Hillary, trying to blow this election.

Hillary is lying again. She thinks 100% are deplorable.

 

[Widbil83]

Uh oh looks like sick Hllary isn't just a right wing conspiracy by Trump's "deplorable" supporters. 

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Basket of deplorables?  Irredeemable?  I'm just catching up, having put every device on mute the last 24 hours.  But, for the love of God, what on earth was she thinking?

Bigot thoughts?

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I think it serves the purpose of pointing out to professionals otherwise not inclined to vote for her exactly who and what they are up against. I think it's actually a good tactic. If she can get the independents who still care about this election to come out and vote for her, she's in good stead.  And it's quite the great rhetoric.  

Trump has caught up in the polls because he is winning support of independents.  Hillary is going to make more mistakes as she gets more and more frustrated.

 

[rockaction]

I'm still sticking with my comments, but "irredeemable" has such a religious aspect to it as to be offensive while being actually well-thought out, despite what I just typed. It's just offensive, but it delivers a message to evangelics not inclined to vote for Trump.  

 

[msommer]

Pardon if this is a :Honda:

Why Clinton isn't Sweating "Deplorables"

 

[Willie Neslon]

She fainted?  Oh man.

 

[cobalt_27]

Nothing to see here.  She's in perfect health.  She comes out and says "It's a beautiful day" beaming a huge smile.  Nothing wrong at all. 

 

[Max Power]

Heat exhaustion at 9:30 in morning in NYC. 

 

[Widbil83]

Pardon if this is a :Honda:

Why Clinton isn't Sweating "Deplorables"

Oof what a headline after today. 

 

[cobalt_27]

Heat exhaustion at 9:30 in morning in NYC. 

Yeah MSNBC was on full tilt, covering for her, talking about how while its cooled off, it was miserably hot this morning and her long sleeves, etc.

 

[Max Power]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=KElCintVskQ&app=desktop

video from this morning.

ETA:  They killed this video

 

[shader]

Bottom line, there's been rumors that her health is bad, and this does nothing to help to quell those rumors