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SaintsInDome2006 said:
In a way there is a bit of a parallel election going on between McMullin, Johnson and Stein. All good people. Stein should be a stand-in for Sanders but unfortunately she is a legit whacko-bird loon. I think Indies can go in and vote their conscious for Johnson or McMullin and feel good about things coming out of the booth, these are good decent people with experience and mainstream ideas.
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Yeah, and Sanders isn't?

 
Steve Tasker said:
Here you go - https://www.evanmcmullin.com/issues

He's too conservative for me personally.  Abortion and defunding abortion programs (I'm assuming he means PP), healthcare are certainly things I don't agree with, though I don't mind strengthening Medicaid.  His "religious freedom" position is vague....I think we all agree that religious freedom is a good thing, but I disagree with most or all of the "religious freedom" laws passed in state legislatures over the years.  Seems like he wants to expand military spending, which I disagree with.  He's mum on other national security issues that are important to me.

I like his policy on immigration, refreshing to see a conservative that doesn't want to deport a bunch of people.  Trade policies sound alright to me.

I won't vote for him, I'll be voting Gary Johnson, but I find McMullin to be more respectable than both Trump and Clinton, to be honest.
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This is sorta where I'm at...I had read this link earlier.  I had to go other places to get more on his abortion stance.  I feel like he understands the need for the right to be there, but doesn't feel like it's the government's job to pay for them.  Agree with you on his religious freedom position.  I too like his position on immigration and I struggle with his position on TPP.  Don't like it.  I'm at a point where I think a public option is probably where we need to be, but some of the things he lists as issues in healthcare are right on.  I just think his view is a bit naive with regard to the roll of government in healthcare.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
PA is a lot closer than the polls.  Plus the SEPTA strike.  And really, PA is the key state for Trump.  It is difficult for him to win without it -- and it is ripe.  Also, the senate race here is a big deal as well and very close.
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All he has to do is win the states he's now leading in and pull an upset in NH.  Game, set, match.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
PA is a lot closer than the polls.  Plus the SEPTA strike.  And really, PA is the key state for Trump.  It is difficult for him to win without it -- and it is ripe.  Also, the senate race here is a big deal as well and very close.
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If Trump wins Pennsylvania - its over.  PA is nice to have for Trump.  PA is must have for Clinton.

 
The Commish said:
I do have multiple other options where the bold isn't true...that's not unique to Clinton.  She may not be a threat to "global security" but she certainly has been to national security.  If this is where you draw the line we have other options at our disposal that threaten our democracy and global security far less than Hillary or Trump.
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By all means, in most elections I'm pro-3rd party and think if everyone who thought "I'd like to vote for that third party but they just have no chance at winning" actually just voted for them, they would get a pretty good portion of the vote and maybe be seen as a legitimate option the next go around. If everyone who was voting for "Not Trump" or "Not Hillary" voted for a 3rd party, what percentage of the vote would that party get and how would that effect things 4 years down the road? It happened up here to some extent with the NDP party.

To my world view, I think Trump is a great enough threat, that I wouldn't vote 3rd party in this particular case and I do think things like wanting to lock up his opponents, limit freedom of the press, give more countries nukes, disturb NATO, cozy up to Russia, provoke terrorists are more dangerous in terms of democracy and global security than the corruption/email Hillary balances. And that doesn't even get into his treatment of women and minorities.

 
Steve Tasker said:
Here you go - https://www.evanmcmullin.com/issues

He's too conservative for me personally.  Abortion and defunding abortion programs (I'm assuming he means PP), healthcare are certainly things I don't agree with, though I don't mind strengthening Medicaid.  His "religious freedom" position is vague....I think we all agree that religious freedom is a good thing, but I disagree with most or all of the "religious freedom" laws passed in state legislatures over the years.  Seems like he wants to expand military spending, which I disagree with.  He's mum on other national security issues that are important to me.

I like his policy on immigration, refreshing to see a conservative that doesn't want to deport a bunch of people.  Trade policies sound alright to me.

I won't vote for him, I'll be voting Gary Johnson, but I find McMullin to be more respectable than both Trump and Clinton, to be honest.
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I don't think I can vote for McMullin - he is on the ballot here, and no real harm in voting for his Delta Party - but not sure I agree with him on enough issues to feel good about that vote.

I think he is intriguing - only if he can win Utah, and Trump can win New Hampshire - thus likely throwing the election to the House - where there are almost endless possibilities - from compromise candidate, to splitting the GOP votes and handing the WH to Clinton.

 
Northern Voice said:
I don't know, there are legitimate reasons to struggle to vote for her but the other option is a threat to the democracy of your country and global security, so it really does seem like a no brainer to me. 
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You forgot his predilection for eating children and starting another Holocaust.

 
538: Most Voters Haven't Changed Their Minds All Year http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-voters-havent-changed-their-minds-all-year

For many Americans, and not a few journalists, this election can’t end soon enough. Fifty-nine percent of Americans reported that they were “exhausted” by election coverage — and that was in early summer. Since then, those following the campaign have been drinking from a fire hose of election news: the conventions, the Khan family, Hillary Clinton’s pneumonia and stumble, Donald Trump’s taxes and the Access Hollywood tape, and James Comey’s latest announcement, to name just a few.

But how much have these story lines actually changed the race? That’s a hot topic these days, with some polls showing dramatic swings toward Trump while others have hardly budged. Writing at YouGov, Ben Lauderdale and Doug Rivers make the case that a lot of what we are seeing is driven by changes in who responds to surveys, not in who voters intend to support. If so, this presidential race might be more stable than you would think by looking at polls on a given day.

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This is pretty interesting. Even though this election has been deemed "reactionary" compared to those in the past, they found very little shift in support from a group that was polled in January and October - even less of a shift than what they saw after conducting the same type of poll in 2008.

 
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I think we need to put a couple of our posters on suicide watch.  It has been several pages since either of them posted.  :eek:

 
Northern Voice said:
To my world view, I think Trump is a great enough threat, that I wouldn't vote 3rd party in this particular case and I do think things like wanting to lock up his opponents, limit freedom of the press, give more countries nukes, disturb NATO, cozy up to Russia, provoke terrorists are more dangerous in terms of democracy and global security than the corruption/email Hillary balances. And that doesn't even get into his treatment of women and minorities.
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I think it's important to make the distinction that all votes are not created equal here due to the electoral college.  New York is a near-lock to go for Clinton, so I can vote third-party and my vote is meaningless either way.  It's a lot different for someone in a swing state.

 
Rich Conway said:
JFC.  I never thought this was possible, that Trump really could win this thing.  Sanders, Biden, or any average Democrat would be crushing him right now, but no, you just had to have Hillary "most qualified ever" "she didn't do anything wrong" Clinton.  Thanks a lot.
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Bump.

 
Steve Tasker said:
I think it's important to make the distinction that all votes are not created equal here due to the electoral college.  New York is a near-lock to go for Clinton, so I can vote third-party and my vote is meaningless either way.  It's a lot different for someone in a swing state.
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By a lot different, you mean a 1 in 20,000,000 chance to impact the outcome instead of just a 1 in 20,000,000,000 chance? 

 
Steve Tasker said:
I think it's important to make the distinction that all votes are not created equal here due to the electoral college.  New York is a near-lock to go for Clinton, so I can vote third-party and my vote is meaningless either way.  It's a lot different for someone in a swing state.
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Yeah, there's different meaning in a state like that where it's locked up and even more so in a state like Utah where the third party actually could win. It's almost too bad (in my opinion) that the third party vote is going to be split between parties like that in a way that will likely again prevent any of the three from truly getting much legitimacy on a national level (McMullin is legitimate in Utah, maybe Johnson can be seen as legit in NY and Stein I'm assuming west coast because Green).

 
jon_mx said:
I think we need to put a couple of our posters on suicide watch.  It has been several pages since either of them posted.  :eek:
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as for a "welfare check" at the very least

...not that kind of "welfare check"!

 
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Wow, Rush just said they have wikileaks between Hillary/Podesta saying Obama desperate to bail out the insurance companies after Obamacare.  The bankers, and now the insurance companies.

 
timschochet said:
Hey man, here in California Hillary's up by 20. We're doing our part. There's not much I can do about the rest of you bozos out there. 
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By my recollection, you bozos in California supported Clinton in the primaries, so you ####ed it up for everyone.

 
Chaos Commish said:
Hah. I quit watching that one to watch this one.

Also for the geekier poll watchers, I think PEC is as good if not better than 538.

Slow Train Coming.

Trump could take Michigan. This could be a landslide.
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This is where medians help a lot; that race is more like Clinton +4.5%, which makes it about as competitive as Virginia and North Carolina. I hear Hillary Clinton is going to Michigan. It’s probably a good use of her time.
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- Sounds like Hillary is winning MI, VA & NC. :shrug:

 
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