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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (13 Viewers)

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squistion said:
Ford wasn't pardoning someone about to be inaugurated as president, Nixon had left office is disgrace.  And there was vast public disapproval at the time, that had political consequences, which was why he lost to Carter.  And if Hillary were to be pardoned before she took office, her presidency would be over before it began - and should she could still be impeached, a pardon has to do with criminal offenses, not whether the president can be removed from office.

Ain't gonna happen.
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Man, it sure gets complicated when there's a criminal in office...doesn't it?

I'm thinking that The People will just decide to avoid the headaches and elect Trump.

 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
Just watched a cool documentary about the White House. I cannot envision Trump living there or even caring about it or having any reverence for the office or history. I dont think he knows anything about what he is running for. 
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I bet someone is planning the movie already. Probably ends with the candidate winning and asking "what do we do now?"

 
Agents looking through Weiner emails:

- "Dik pic!"

- "Arrgghh, look away!"

- [barf]

- "TOP SECRET"

- "Boobs!"

- "Grocery list"

- "Another SAP program, chief!"

- "Can't unsee that one..."

 
Opie said:
Man, it sure gets complicated when there's a criminal in office...doesn't it?

I'm thinking that The People will just decide to avoid the headaches and elect Trump.
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Hillary is not Nixon. Despite allegations of criminal actions for over 30 years, Hillary has never been charged with any crime in any jurisdiction by any prosecutor ever (and you Hillary haters can never get around that, can you?). Look it up if you don't know your history - wheels were already in motion to charge Nixon regarding the Watergate cover up and that is undisputed, Ford stopped a criminal trial from taking place (whether he should have or not is a separate discussion). Like everything else with Hillary, this will eventually lead to nothing.

 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
Just watched a cool documentary about the White House. I cannot envision Trump living there or even caring about it or having any reverence for the office or history. I dont think he knows anything about what he is running for. 
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Yeah, I bet he debases the Oval Office by getting hummers from a 21 year old White House intern while he is married...

 
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[scooter] said:
This is the future. Anyone who doesn't reveal their private personal schedule will be accused of hiding something. Oh, I understand that Hillary is different because she's already accused of hiding stuff, yada yada yada (because we don't have enough Seinfeld references in this thread and the Trump thread already). But the bar keeps getting lowered. Today we're accusing Hillary of hiding something. Tomorrow we'll be accusing someone slightly less shady than her. The downward slide will continue until we've reached a point where we're accusing Christian Boy Scout virgins (triple redundancy, I know) of "hiding something" because they refuse to allow video cameras to record everything they do 24 hours a day.

And people will rush to their Twitter/Facebook/Instagram/Snapchat/Youtube live channel to proclaim that it was Hillary who set the precedent.

We're not heading towards Idiocracy. We're already there.
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shes the one who commented on private opinions vs public opinions.     actually i agree with her.

I really don't care what she says privately,   I care what she does publicly.        and publicly shes a turd.     publicly trump is a turd.   but she is corrupt.   shes  worse.

 
squistion said:
Hillary is not Nixon. Despite allegations of criminal actions for over 30 years, Hillary has never been charged with any crime in any jurisdiction by any prosecutor ever (and you Hillary haters can never get around that, can you?). Look it up if you don't know your history - wheels were already in motion to charge Nixon regarding the Watergate cover up and that is undisputed, Ford stopped a criminal trial from taking place (whether he should have or not is a separate discussion). Like everything else with Hillary, this will eventually lead to nothing.
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brother, shes worse.   her husband is worse.   nixon had the decency to resign.  he wasnt impeached.  bill clinton was impeached, disbarred fined.   hillary is putins #####

 
squistion said:
Ford wasn't pardoning someone about to be inaugurated as president, Nixon had left office is disgrace.  And there was vast public disapproval at the time, that had political consequences, which was why he lost to Carter.  And if Hillary were to be pardoned before she took office, her presidency would be over before it began - and should she could still be impeached, a pardon has to do with criminal offenses, not whether the president can be removed from office.

Ain't gonna happen.
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well then we agree.   obama will be politically finished.

 
squistion said:
Hillary is not Nixon. Despite allegations of criminal actions for over 30 years, Hillary has never been charged with any crime in any jurisdiction by any prosecutor ever (and you Hillary haters can never get around that, can you?). Look it up if you don't know your history - wheels were already in motion to charge Nixon regarding the Watergate cover up and that is undisputed, Ford stopped a criminal trial from taking place (whether he should have or not is a separate discussion). Like everything else with Hillary, this will eventually lead to nothing.
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This is true.

These are the cases she has been involved in though:

- Whitewater & Madison Guaranty - 15 convictions, including 2 business partners and a client

- Travelgate - 1 indictment, man accused by Hillary Clinton was acquitted.

- 1996 campaign finance investigation - 3 convictions.

- Email national security investigation - 5 immunity agreements.

 
The Clinton coalition is only part of the Democratic coalition. She's getting women, Hispanics, college educated whites. She's not getting enough Millennials or blacks (not like Obama did.) But what she IS getting is enough to win.

Consider the fact that Democrats in the future, with policy positions somewhere between Hillary and Bernie (centrist enough to have corporate donors but liberal enough to attract the Sanders/Warren wing) are going to have blacks, Hispanics, women, suburban whites, Millennials. There is simply no path for Republicans to the presidency. Trump, because of the special nature of his candidacy and distrust of Hillary, has a 33% chance of being elected (per 538). Who knows when another Republican will have even this high a percentage chance again?

 
quickhands said:
brother, shes worse.   her husband is worse.   nixon had the decency to resign.  he wasnt impeached.  bill clinton was impeached, disbarred fined.   hillary is putins #####
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Decency to resign? :lol:   Barry Goldwater and some other Republicans elders made a personal visit to The White House and told Nixon it was over, and he had to step down - after that he couldn't have continued. Clinton was impeached for parsing words in a civil suit that was eventually dismissed and left office with very high approval ratings (the American public didn't care about the blue dress or his affair with Lewinsky).

 
timschochet said:
The Clinton coalition is only part of the Democratic coalition. She's getting women, Hispanics, college educated whites. She's not getting enough Millennials or blacks (not like Obama did.) But what she IS getting is enough to win.

Consider the fact that Democrats in the future, with policy positions somewhere between Hillary and Bernie (centrist enough to have corporate donors but liberal enough to attract the Sanders/Warren wing) are going to have blacks, Hispanics, women, suburban whites, Millennials. There is simply no path for Republicans to the presidency. Trump, because of the special nature of his candidacy and distrust of Hillary, has a 33% chance of being elected (per 538). Who knows when another Republican will have even this high a percentage chance again?
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:lmao:  

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
This is true.

These are the cases she has been involved in though:

- Whitewater & Madison Guaranty - 15 convictions, including 2 business partners and a client

- Travelgate - 1 indictment, man accused by Hillary Clinton was acquitted.

- 1996 campaign finance investigation - 3 convictions.

- Email national security investigation - 5 immunity agreements.
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And Hillary was not even charged with even a misdemeanor in any of those. And Ken Starr spend $40 million in 1990s taxpayer dollars trying to find something, anything he could hang on her and got zilch. There was no there there for any of that as far as Hillary is concerned.

 
timschochet said:
The Clinton coalition is only part of the Democratic coalition. She's getting women, Hispanics, college educated whites. She's not getting enough Millennials or blacks (not like Obama did.) But what she IS getting is enough to win.

Consider the fact that Democrats in the future, with policy positions somewhere between Hillary and Bernie (centrist enough to have corporate donors but liberal enough to attract the Sanders/Warren wing) are going to have blacks, Hispanics, women, suburban whites, Millennials. There is simply no path for Republicans to the presidency. Trump, because of the special nature of his candidacy and distrust of Hillary, has a 33% chance of being elected (per 538). Who knows when another Republican will have even this high a percentage chance again?
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That will change.   The GOP, or some other party will figure out how to reshuffle the coalitions at some point.

Either that or the police state will keep people in enough fear that they can pick the candidates.  

 
squistion said:
Decency to resign? :lol:   Barry Goldwater and some other Republicans elders made a personal visit to The White House and told Nixon it was over, and he had to step down - after that he couldn't have continued. Clinton was impeached for parsing words in a civil suit that was eventually dismissed and left office with very high approval ratings (the American public didn't care about the blue dress or his affair with Lewinsky).
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clinton got the same visits....that f.####er wouldn't leave.  

Bill Clinton the head of the United States.  the one guy who under no circumstances  can lie under oath.  lied under oath.   IN COURT.  

Can I ask you something.    Are you from flint MI. and have been drinking the water.   and did you eat the pealing wall paint.

 
quickhands said:
ill need a link to something you re correct about.
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Sure, just as soon as you link me to something you're correct about.

Here's what tommy was referring to: that every time people have predicted Hillary Clinton would be charged with a crime, I, along with several others, have said no she's not. And so far, we have been right. This is not up for debate.

Meanwhile, you're one of those who have been "suckered" (that's really the only word that's applicable) into believing that Hillary would get indicted for this, or for that, perhaps as many as a half a dozen times or more in this thread alone. So you have been wrong about this every time. That also is not up for debate. You're also, IMO, wrong in general about Hillary, wrong about her husband, wrong about Obama, and pretty much wrong about every political statement you have ever made in this forum. But that's a subjective view.

 
quickhands said:
clinton got the same visits....that f.####er wouldn't leave.  
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See this is a good example. Your statement here is just a complete falsehood. Either you heard it somewhere and believed it, or you're just making it up. You've already shown that you know almost nothing about Watergate, and now you're demonstrating you know nothing about Bill Clinton's impeachment either.

 
And among the lower classes, what was happening? Increasingly detaching themselves both intellectually and emotionally from those whose function it was to lead them, the people at large found themselves naturally inclining towards those who were well-disposed towards them, among whom were dangerous demagogues and ineffectual utopians of the type we ourselves have been occupied with here.



Because I saw these two classes, one small, the other numerous, separating themselves little by little from each other, the one reckless, insensible and selfish, the other filled with jealousy, defiance and anger, because I saw these two classes isolated and proceeding in opposite directions, I said—and was justified in saying—that revolution was rearing its head and would soon be upon us. [“Excellent.”]



Was it to establish something similar to this that the February Revolution took place? No, gentlemen, I refuse to believe it. As much as any of you, I believe the opposite. I want the opposite, not only in the interests of liberty but also for the sake of public security.
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- Big Al de Tocqueville

 
Bottomfeeder Sports said:
That will change.   The GOP, or some other party will figure out how to reshuffle the coalitions at some point.
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Maybe some other party. But the GOP had their chance, their LAST chance,  2 years ago when Marco Rubio tried to push for a legal recognition of illegal immigrants. The base rebelled, and then went in the opposite direction with Donald Trump. Now they may have PERMANENTLY alienated Hispanics. How are they going to get them back?

 
timschochet said:
See this is a good example. Your statement here is just a complete falsehood. Either you heard it somewhere and believed it, or you're just making it up. You've already shown that you know almost nothing about Watergate, and now you're demonstrating you know nothing about Bill Clinton's impeachment either.
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Quickhands doesn't have a clue, obviously no idea of what he is talking about. I think he is making it up as I never heard that, from even anonymous sources of high ranking Democrats visiting Clinton in The White House asking him to resign and he ignored them (and who were they, by the way?). Complete fabrication.

 
timschochet said:
Sure, just as soon as you link me to something you're correct about.

Here's what tommy was referring to: that every time people have predicted Hillary Clinton would be charged with a crime, I, along with several others, have said no she's not. And so far, we have been right. This is not up for debate.

Meanwhile, you're one of those who have been "suckered" (that's really the only word that's applicable) into believing that Hillary would get indicted for this, or for that, perhaps as many as a half a dozen times or more in this thread alone. So you have been wrong about this every time. That also is not up for debate. You're also, IMO, wrong in general about Hillary, wrong about her husband, wrong about Obama, and pretty much wrong about every political statement you have ever made in this forum. But that's a subjective view.
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no.   thats not how it works.   you claimed you where right about anything.

Im bad a links.   but i remember i said that Matt Millen is the worst GM in the history of everything.   I also said if Penn State took Millen as their Athletic Director all NCAA penalties should be lifted.

I never thought she would be indicted.  until Comeys press conference.  Which you listened to, same as me.    and both of us where saying that she was going to be indicted.  until the end.   then comey gave her a  get out of jail pass, saying "no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges."  which was outside his purview.   but he did it.  she was out.

then Anthony Weiner, a person you supported "perhaps as many as a half a dozen times or more it this thread alone".

I don't like trump at all.  hes a turd.  but hillary is truly a dangerous operator and will put every aspect and institution of the US govt. up for sale.  like the lincoln bedroom or the travel office.

 
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timschochet said:
See this is a good example. Your statement here is just a complete falsehood. Either you heard it somewhere and believed it, or you're just making it up. You've already shown that you know almost nothing about Watergate, and now you're demonstrating you know nothing about Bill Clinton's impeachment either.
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what i don't know about stuff is a lot

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Ok I looked it up.

This doesn't seem at all vaguely odd to you that before last Friday it was the Trumpites who were claiming that Comey was a bag man for Hillary and that the DOJ was rigged and now partisans for Hillary are claiming 'Fifth Column in the FBI'? It doesn't feel weird at all to defend the institution for 3 months and then in the last 6 days to say 'oh hey they're out to get Hillary'?
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It feels weird that people within the FBI are making up lies to Fox in order to help Trump beat Hillary.

 
cstu said:
It feels weird that people within the FBI are making up lies to Fox in order to help Trump beat Hillary.
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Or sources to NBC are making up lies in order to help Hillary beat Trump.  First time I have ever encountered a Presidential candidate under federal investigation running for President but the world is changing.

 
squistion said:
Decency to resign? :lol:   Barry Goldwater and some other Republicans elders made a personal visit to The White House and told Nixon it was over, and he had to step down - after that he couldn't have continued. Clinton was impeached for parsing words in a civil suit that was eventually dismissed and left office with very high approval ratings (the American public didn't care about the blue dress or his affair with Lewinsky).
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If they didn't care they would have elected gore in a boom time rather than a ape like gwb

 
Smack Tripper said:
If they didn't care they would have elected gore in a boom time rather than a ape like gwb
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As you recall, Gore distanced himself from Clinton and didn't campaign with him. He ran a terrible campaign and was embarrassingly awful in the debates. He came across as aloof, while GWB was the guy people wanted to drink a beer with.  If Gore had run as the third term of Clinton it might have been different (but who knows after SCOUTS intervened in Florida and stopped the recount).

 
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Henry Ford said:
Rumors are that she was doing a lot more than drinking, was drugged and drunk and coming home from having an affair when she ran over stuff in the garage that sparked a flame.  Couldn't figure out how to get out and died, with family inside the house.
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It happens.

 
squistion said:
As you recall, Gore distanced himself from Clinton and didn't campaign with him. He ran a terrible campaign and was embarrassing awful in the debates. He came as aloof, while GWB was the guy people wanted to drink a beer with.  If Gore had run as the third term of Clinton it might have been different (but who knows after SCOUTS intervened in Florida and stopped the recount).
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I still would rather have a beer with W.

 
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