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Oh, there's clearly new evidence she broke the law. But since that's not a crime anymore unless there's intent to break the law, or proof she knew what the law was, no one does anything about it. 
Politicians always seem to write laws which make it is nearly impossible to convict politicians.  If the laws were written similar to what regular federal employees are subjected to, where even the appearance of wrong doing is enough to convict, we could actually clean up some of this mess. 

 
Politicians always seem to write laws which make it is nearly impossible to convict politicians.  If the laws were written similar to what regular federal employees are subjected to, where even the appearance of wrong doing is enough to convict, we could actually clean up some of this mess. 
Yup. 

 
That's how I feel about this entire election. There's so much misinformation out there, and how can anybody take info at face value? On either side? 
There is an easy answer to this. I offered it several days ago and got ridiculed, but here it is again: 

when it comes to opinion read any source you like and as many as you can find. No matter what the source if the opinion seems compelling let it start to effect your viewpoint. 

When it comes to facts, information, and news, trust ONLY the mainstream media. News does not necessarily originate in the mainstream media, but once it gets there it's gone through a vetting process which you as a reader can't do by yourself. If the news never gets to the mainstream media, that means it's failed the vetting process and can be disregarded. 

 
There is an easy answer to this. I offered it several days ago and got ridiculed, but here it is again: 

when it comes to opinion read any source you like and as many as you can find. No matter what the source if the opinion seems compelling let it start to effect your viewpoint. 

When it comes to facts, information, and news, trust ONLY the mainstream media. News does not necessarily originate in the mainstream media, but once it gets there it's gone through a vetting process which you as a reader can't do by yourself. If the news never gets to the mainstream media, that means it's failed the vetting process and can be disregarded. 
If something gets to the mainstream media, it means that one side or the other, gave it to the mainstream media...

 
There is an easy answer to this. I offered it several days ago and got ridiculed, but here it is again: 

when it comes to opinion read any source you like and as many as you can find. No matter what the source if the opinion seems compelling let it start to effect your viewpoint. 

When it comes to facts, information, and news, trust ONLY the mainstream media. News does not necessarily originate in the mainstream media, but once it gets there it's gone through a vetting process which you as a reader can't do by yourself. If the news never gets to the mainstream media, that means it's failed the vetting process and can be disregarded. 
I think the most important thing to do is to get information from varied sources. Read newspapers, magazines, and journals as opposed to getting your information only from cable news. 

 
Trump said a lot of stupid stuff.  I don't see many voters claiming it's rigged though.  Of course his hard core followers are just like the hard core Hillary followers keep saying stupid stuff like all she did was delete her own emails.  There's stupid on both sides every election but 90% of people aren't mentioning a rigged election.
You're right, and I've spoken to several Hillary supporters who have told me that if Hillary is indicted over the emails there's going to be a violent revolution and they're going to get their guns and attack the Justice Department and rescue her...

Wait, I might be confused about this...

 
To be fair, she did pass out and got tossed into the van like a side of beef, followed by conflicting stories about a bout of pneumonia being contagious or non contagious...

also, to be fair, call it performance art or what not, spirit cooking is pretty ####ed up thing that borrows more occult stuff than an OzzyOsbourne concert, without the kitsch factor and Podesta seemed to be into it
Oh dude, totally. I can tell you're dialed in. Have you read this yet:

Something Very Strange Is Going On - If The Watchmen Are Right, We Are Closing In Upon 'America's Worst Nightmare' Come True  - 'Silence And Darkness Is The Only Sure Outcome'

 
“Last night, in Clark County, they kept a poll open till 10 o’clock at night so a certain group could vote,” said McDonald at a Trump rally in Reno. “It wasn’t in an area that normally has high transition. The polls are supposed to close at 7. This was kept open till 10. Yeah, you feel free right now? Think this is a free or easy election?”
That's awful - people being allowed to participate in democracy outside of the prescribed time determined by politicians is an outrage!
They didn't go "outside the prescribed time". Anyone who showed up after the prescribed time was turned away.

 
There is an easy answer to this. I offered it several days ago and got ridiculed, but here it is again: 

when it comes to opinion read any source you like and as many as you can find. No matter what the source if the opinion seems compelling let it start to effect your viewpoint. 

When it comes to facts, information, and news, trust ONLY the mainstream media. News does not necessarily originate in the mainstream media, but once it gets there it's gone through a vetting process which you as a reader can't do by yourself. If the news never gets to the mainstream media, that means it's failed the vetting process and can be disregarded. 
There is some truth to this, but you way overstate it.  There are stories which pass the vetting process of the mainstream media, but they intentionally suppress.  You put the mainstream media on too high of a pedestal (you do that with political leaders too), but they all have their biases and personal interest which get in the way of being an honest broker of information. 

 
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The way the early voting is going down the money play may be to wait until Tuesday since most everyone will already have voted.

 
The mainstream media doesn't vet anything. Obama's guy was on record saying that they're just recent journalism school grads who parrot back press releases. There's no independent research or verification guarantee with the MSM.
The MSM are profit-oriented businesses. Scrub the data accordingly. And please, for the love of grabbing em by the #####, enough with the whining about about MSM.

 
They reported finding a transmission signal.  Are you saying they didn't actually find a transmission signal?

i mean, personally I'm of the opinion that they more likely picked up an FBI listening signal rather than Watergate ii.
They picked up a radio signal from outside the building that they speculate could be a listening signal.

There is no actual evidence of anything.  That's why the story emanated from Mother Jones.

 
Another funny thing about the Russian angle is that it just popped up this election.  Maybe it was a concern during the Cold War, but I had never heard anything about "Russian influence" before this year.  Why didn't they want to influence any of our past elections? Absolute bs that most America doesn't believe.
"The 1980s are calling...

 
Koya said:
Snowden has actual U.S. patriotic interests at heart. IMO, though we can discuss how he got what and the appropriate response/justice.

Assange is self serving foreign actor with a vendetta against a U.S. candidate who is purposefully interfering in the U.S. election (and in a clearly biased manner). Here, if found to be legit and we have context, we can discuss what actions should be taken by those referenced in or sending/receiving said emails. But it doesn't take a professional sleuth to see that Assange is utterly biased, with an ax to grind, at the expense of a fair U.S. election.
This is my problem with him, and why I can't understand the support he has.

 
Going to be interesting on Tuesday. Watching CNN this morning and they said it is a dead heat right now and could go either way. Trump was dead in the water a month ago.

 
They didn't go "outside the prescribed time". Anyone who showed up after the prescribed time was turned away.
Right, but even if people arrived after 7 why should they not be allowed to exercise their democratic rights to the polling station is still open?

 
This is my problem with him, and why I can't understand the support he has.
He had tons of support from mainstream Dems when he was dumping Bush administration info.  Why is he suddenly a hack because Podesta is the target?

He actually gets a lot of support from younger, more Bernie oriented Dems.  His support really splits the parties.

 
They picked up a radio signal from outside the building that they speculate could be a listening signal.

There is no actual evidence of anything.  That's why the story emanated from Mother Jones.
A firm they hired allegedly claimed to have picked up a radio signal from outside the chairman's office. I don't believe anyone has reported whether it was inside or outside the building, but would love to see that quote.

 
Enjoyed catching up on the thread this morning. Great job guys. Good read over coffee and bagels.

Here is my unbiased take on the whole email issue:

Hillary has had secret service protection for a quarter of a century. She lost her privacy long ago. She's had to deal with an embarrassing personal scandal in the most public way.  Every misstep she's made politically has been thrown back in her face by her opponents. She gets the SoS gig and KNOWS that the things she writes in official email will be used against her when she runs for president again. The context in which they are said will not matter, the situation at the time she said them will not be taken into account. She seeks the counsel of SoS's before her on how to proceed. They tell her they have used personal email accounts. She decides she will use a personal account for some of her communications. She won't have to worry about (or at least she'll worry less about) the possibility her correspondence will be used against her in an election.

She made two miscalculations. The first one was she didn't foresee the potential of her emails or her staff's emails being hacked. Given the rise of wikileaks over the last decade as well as anonymous and others, she should have at least considered this to be a possibility. The second miscalculation was not considering that her opponents would simply use the fact that she had a private email server against her.  Even without these hacked emails she put herself in a difficult position having to defend the presence of a personal server. The attacks practically write themselves. What does she have to hide? Who was she corresponding with privately as SoS? Then you throw in the Clinton Foundation, the millions in speaking fees and you get to the place where we are now.

In conclusion, she made miscalculations. She didn't want her actions as SoS used against her in a presidential election. I'd argue she felt above basic procedural expectations given she was first lady and the likely nominee of her party in 2016. Given the attacks against her since she announced, seeing how easily some of the public is swayed ("lock her up!"), even reading some of the things posted in this very thread in the last 10 hours or so, can you blame her for wanting to keep as much as possible from the public eye? It wouldn't have mattered if she was the perfect SoS, she would have been attacked from every angle until something(s) stuck. There are legitimate reasons to attack her in regard to previous stances and current policy but the email hubbub is just easily sell-able noise.

 
David Dodds said:
so literally everybody that supports HRC thinks the whole FBI thing just blows over?  They have Braverman. They have Huma. They have Weiner. They have the laptops.  The WikiLeaks showed the FBI exactly what questions to ask and where to look.  Seems like a slam dunk case if I have ever seen one.  The tipping point for me was simply, why would the FBI do this.  It's political suicide if they have nothing.  Plus the fact I can't ever remember a time when the FBI and hacker community were aligned on a subject. It's as if the hackers "had seen" some of this evidence.  Generally the hackers and FBI are very much at odds with one another since the FBI usually is looking to arrest them.

None us know how this will turn out, but I suspect HRC is campaigning super hard just so she has a bit more negotiating rights when found guilty.  Perhaps she can stall long enough to at least get sworn into office so she can be the answer to a trivia question.   
I do, because they already said there wasn't enough there to prosecute (assuming nothing new /significant comes off Weiner's laptop). There might well be a minor crime there, but it's just not substantial enough to warrant more than a slap on the wrist

 
So it's pretty much the same standard as John Podesta's emails, then.
No, an allegedly reputable company had the DNC's permission to check and then everything was properly reported to the FBI to investigate, at which point someone posted that the DNC may have been bugged and the FBI was informed.

If it were the Podesta emails, I would have had a hacker check to see if anyone had called the FBI from the DNC and immediately posted "ZOMG, TRUMP CAUGHT LISTENING TO DNC, worse than Nixon! Lock him up!"

 
A firm they hired allegedly claimed to have picked up a radio signal from outside the chairman's office. I don't believe anyone has reported whether it was inside or outside the building, but would love to see that quote.
It's their building and the firm swept all of the offices.  If the radio signal was emanating from inside the building why didn't they find it?

 
A simple question ... I'm being serious. Are people really still following wiki leaks?
Initially you asked if they were falling for it, which is an entirely different question.  I'd imagine many people are still following it to see what's uncovered.  Why wouldn't they?

 
Watching the coverage of this election is bizarre.  People wondering why the polls are kept open so those in line can vote.  Really?

 
Interesting that the betting odds continue to recover for Clinton.  From 69/31 on Wed/Thurs to 78/22 currently.  Not sure why it's happening... maybe it's just the difference between holding a TD lead with 6:00 left and having the same margin at the two-minute warning.

 
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