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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Seriously the Democrats need to get their own house in order instead of complaining about the rules of the game they've been playing for 200 years already.

Same Party gave the nomination to Obama in 08 even though Hillary had more votes.

Same Party in 12 piled up the superdelegate total to make Hillary the presumed nominee well before she had it won.

Become a better party and win under the rules as we all know them to be.
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Not to mention that BOTH parties essentially choose their nominee after Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.  A bunch of small states where the wealthy, media, and other special interests can easily control the process...

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
And in 08 The Party fixed the ballot so not everyone could be on it, good point.
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There was no fix. Please. Most of the candidates withdrew their names. Michigan moved the date of the primary to make it earlier, in violation of DNC rules:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Democratic_primary,_2008

The decision of the DNC diminished the significance of the Michigan Democratic Primary.[1]On October 9, 2007, following Michigan's breach of DNC rules, Barack Obama, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden, and John Edwards withdrew from the Michigan Democratic Primary ballot.[8]Dennis Kucinich unsuccessfully sought to remove his name from the ballot.[9]Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd decided to remain on the ballot.[10] Although Clinton said she would honor a pledge that she and the other Democratic candidates had earlier made to refrain from campaigning or participating in Michigan,[10] Clinton and Dodd drew sharp criticism from Biden, who stated that the two candidates had "chosen to hedge their bets" and had "abandoned Democrats in Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, and South Carolina" by staying on the ballot.[10][11]

 
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squistion said:
There was no fix. Please. Most of the candidates withdrew their names. Michigan moved the date of the primary to make it earlier, in violation of DNC rules:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Democratic_primary,_2008

The decision of the DNC diminished the significance of the Michigan Democratic Primary.[1]On October 9, 2007, following Michigan's breach of DNC rules, Barack Obama, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden, and John Edwards withdrew from the Michigan Democratic Primary ballot.[8]Dennis Kucinich unsuccessfully sought to remove his name from the ballot.[9]Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd decided to remain on the ballot.[10] Although Clinton said she would honor a pledge that she and the other Democratic candidates had earlier made to refrain from campaigning or participating in Michigan,[10] Clinton and Dodd drew sharp criticism from Biden, who stated that the two candidates had "chosen to hedge their bets" and had "abandoned Democrats in Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, and South Carolina" by staying on the ballot.[10][11]
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Squiz I love how you cite to one of Hillary's dirtiest moments to back up your point. Everyone remembers what happened, you don't don't have to c/p from wiki. The MI state party did that. So candidates were not on the ballot then they screwed up doubly with the shenanigans at the convention. What a briar patch. That whole imbroglio is a demonstration of the DNC's own need for getting their own selves in order first.

Lest we forget in 2016 the DNC putting not only their thumb but both arms, their ###, a leg and an elbow or three on the scale to hand Hillary the nom.

Oh and they were led by one chairman who resigned in disgrace and another who was caught at cheating against one of her own candidates more than once.

Clean up the mess, then make reform nationally a priority.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Squiz I live how you cite to one if Hilkarys dirtiest moments to back up your point. Everyone remembers what happened, you don't don't have to c/p from wiki. The MI state party did that. So candidates were not on the ballot then they screwed up doubly with the shenanigans at the convention. What a briar patch. That whole imbroglio is a demonstration of the DNC's own need for getting their own selves in order first.

Lest we forget in 2012 the DNC putting not only their thumb but both arms, their ###, a leg and an elbow or three on the scale to hand Hillary the nom.

Oh and they were led by one chairman who resigned in disgrace and another who was caught at cheating against one of her own candidates more than once.

Clean up the mess, then make reform nationally a priority.
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Trump won, so you got everything you wanted. Don't know why you have to keep coming into this thread, continuing to trash Hillary. You should be celebrating your victory elsewhere.

 
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squistion said:
I am. And you said you were through posting in this thread. I knew it was too good to be true.
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I said I hadn't been posting in this thread not that I wouldn't. TBH putting the context of the EC issue in the Hillary thread just shows the problem with the argument. Some are arguing about it just because their candidate lost not out of principle, which isn't helpful. No one sought to eliminate the EC in 2012 or 1992-96 as I recall.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I said I hadn't been posting in this thread not that I wouldn't. TBH putting the context of the EC issue in the Hillary thread just shows the problem with the argument. Some are arguing about it just because their candidate lost not out of principle, which isn't helpful. No one sought to eliminate the EC in 2012 or 1992-96 as I recall.
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If Trump won the popular vote but Hillary became president due to the EC, don't tell me we would not be seeing similar anger and expressions of outrage from the other side. The Trump supporters would not have graciously accepted it and said, "Those are the rules so we must live with it" - and who are you kidding if you think otherwise?

 
squistion said:
If Trump won the popular vote but Hillary became president due to the EC, don't tell me we would not be seeing similar anger and expressions of outrage from the other side. The Trump supporters would not have graciously accepted it and said, "Those are the rules so we must live with it" - and who are you kidding if you think otherwise?
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When was the last time you saw Conservatives in the street burning businesses, breaking #### and beating up innocent bystanders like Liberals because they lost?  That's right...never.  We're not a bunch of ####### babies like the American Left.

So, yeah, it's like a 99.9% chance that Conservatives would have accepted the results graciously.  There really is no argument on that.

 
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squistion said:
If Trump won the popular vote but Hillary became president due to the EC, don't tell me we would not be seeing similar anger and expressions of outrage from the other side. The Trump supporters would not have graciously accepted it and said, "Those are the rules so we must live with it" - and who are you kidding if you think otherwise?
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Well that's the point isn't it? Hillaryites are acting like it was said Trumpites would react? Here we are.

 
squistion said:
If Trump won the popular vote but Hillary became president due to the EC, don't tell me we would not be seeing similar anger and expressions of outrage from the other side. The Trump supporters would not have graciously accepted it and said, "Those are the rules so we must live with it" - and who are you kidding if you think otherwise?
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Trump would not be a gracious loser under any circumstances.  So there is that. 

 
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squistion said:
So who before the election predicted Hillary supporters would not complain about a popular vote but not an electoral vote win? Who?
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Oh we all knew they would whine like sissies.  But the fact they acted so disgusted by Trump not accepting the results makes it very funny.  

 
squistion said:
So who before the election predicted Hillary supporters would not complain about a popular vote but not an electoral vote win? Who?
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No one. I guess no one thought she could lose to begin with. We've also been told the Democrats had a lock on the WH due to demographics for years to come. The EV map was supposed to be baked in blue.

 
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jon_mx said:
Oh we all knew they would whine like sissies.  But the fact they acted so disgusted by Trump not accepting the results makes it very funny.  
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And now they are demanding a recount because...wait for it...they think there was voter fraud! :lmao:   :lmao:  (remember: there is no such thing as voter fraud)

You couldn't write this #### if you tried.

 
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MaxThreshold said:
And now they are demanding a recount because...wait for it...they think there was voter fraud! (remember: there is no such thing as voter fraud)

You couldn't write this #### if you tried.
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That is Jill Stein not the Democrats. Hillary and the DNC have not asked for a recount.  Sorry to confuse you with the facts.

 
squistion said:
That is Jill Stein not the Democrats. Hillary and the DNC have not asked for a recount.  Sorry to confuse you with the facts.
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Oh, it's not just Jill Stein.  Democrats are also calling for it.  So, yeah, the only one confused by the actual facts is you.  Of course, we all know that you KNEW Democrats were calling for it too but are purposefully ignoring those facts (most likely because you can't bear the truth).  Kind of like what you've been doing the last year or so.

 
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MaxThreshold said:
Oh, it's not just Jill Stein.  Democrats are also calling for it.  So, yeah, the only one confused by the actual facts is you.  Of course, we all know that you KNEW Democrats were calling for it too but are purposefully ignoring those facts (most likely because you can't bear the truth).  Kind of like what you've been doing the last year or so.
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Duh. Some Democrats are calling for it.

Not Hillary.

Not any major Democratic leaders.

Not the DNC.

Outside of that Max, you are right as usual.

 
MaxThreshold said:
Keep on keepin' your head in the sand.  It's what we've come to expect from you.
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Couldn't dispute one thing I said, could you?

Neither Hillary, nor the DNC or nor any Democratic party leader or notable is calling for a recount. None.

 
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squistion said:
Couldn't dispute one thing I said, could you?

Neither Hillary, nor the DNC or nor any Democratic party leader or notable is calling for a recount. None.
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So, because it's nobody notable it doesn't count?   This is hilarious.  When I said Democrats are calling for a recount, I never qualified that with "IMPORTANT DEMOCRATS ONLY".  You did to support your lame assertion.  Seems to me it's a good number of Democrats doing just that.

Sorry to burst your bubble.  But that's what I do - I burst bubbles.  YW.

 
squistion said:
After the election, Hillary haters and Trump supporters like Max and Saints need their own thread. Oh, wait they got one with the Trump thread.
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Well you gotta admit you're dropping a lot of content in the Hillary thread that doesn't actually involve any er Hillary. You might as well post it somewhere else yourself. Heck you've got more Hillary content in the Kaep thread than in the Hillary thread currently.

 
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squistion said:
Pointing out hypocrisy among Hillary haters and Trump supporters is not dropping a lot of non-Hillary content.
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Well, that's the problem - you're not doing that either. 

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Well you gotta admit you're dropping a lot of content in the Hillary thread that doesn't actually involve any er Hillary. You might as well post it somewhere else yourself. Heck you've got more Hillary content in the Kaep thread than in the Hillary thread currently.
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I am responding to what has been said about the EC, not a lot of  non related content to Hillary.

Trump won, you got what you wanted. Do you victory laps in the Trump thread instead of continuing to gloat here.

 
squistion said:
I have pointed out hypocrisy numerous times over the last few days. Pay attention.
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No..no you haven't.  You probably THINK that you did, but that would be your mind playing tricks on you since you're clearly still shell-shocked from your world falling out from underneath you.  The only hypocrisy to be found is Democrats calling for a recount because of fraud.  Y'know, that same fraud that 100% never existed until they lost.  Great stuff, no?

 
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MaxThreshold said:
No..no you haven't.  You probably THINK that you did, but that would be your mind playing tricks on you since you're clearly still shell-shocked from your world falling out from underneath you.  The only hypocrisy to be found is Democrats calling for a recount because of fraud.  Great stuff, no?
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Again.

Who is calling for a recount?

Not Hillary...

Not the DNC...

Not any major Democratic party leaders...

Again, so who among the Democrats that anyone in the party respects is calling for this?

 
squistion said:
Again.

Who is calling for a recount?

Not Hillary...

Not the DNC...

Not any major Democratic party leaders...

Again, so who among the Democrats that anyone in the party respects is calling for this?
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Doesn't matter what Democrats they are.  They are Democrats - like I AND THE NY TIMES originally stated.

Like a good Democrat, you try to move the goal posts to fit your definition of the truth.

 
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Where did almost all of the $4 million come from for Jill to finance the recount.   Democrats.  Green Party would not be able to raise that kind of cash. 

 
MaxThreshold said:
Doesn't matter what Democrats they are.  They are Democrats - like I originally stated.

Like a good Democrat, you try to move the goal posts.
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:lmao:   People on the fringe left are saying it, that no one really cares about it, but it counts, because they are Democrats!. :lol:

And I can find some ridiculous things a handful of Trump supporters are saying, but that means nothing, too.

 
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Getzlaf15 said:
But those states change more often than the large states.   I like Tim's idea of randomly choosing the order of the primaries.
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Maybe, but I still don't think it matters alot which parts of the country candidates pretend to care about

 
MaxThreshold said:
When was the last time you saw Conservatives in the street burning businesses, breaking #### and beating up innocent bystanders like Liberals because they lost?  That's right...never.  We're not a bunch of ####### babies like the American Left.

So, yeah, it's like a 99.9% chance that Conservatives would have accepted the results graciously.  There really is no argument on that.
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Meh. Anecdotally speaking, I saw a heckuva lot of "If She Wins,...We Revolt" and other memes of that ilk from Conservative Facebook sites/pages/friends. Not saying they would have followed thru, but if you don't think there was a palatable desire to protest if HRC won (particularly if Trump won the popular and she the EC)....than I don't think you were paying attention. 

 
Thunderlips said:
Meh. Anecdotally speaking, I saw a heckuva lot of "If She Wins,...We Revolt" 
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History has shown conclusively with the current protests, Occupy Wall St., etc. that conservatives tend to be much, much more law abiding than the left during political turmoil.  No way this takes place outside of internet blather.

I doubt there would have been much in the way of protesting, either.

 
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squistion said:
:lmao:   People on the fringe left are saying it, that no one really cares about it, but it counts, because they are Democrats!. :lol:

And I can find some ridiculous things a handful of Trump supporters are saying, but that means nothing, too.
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Fringe Left?  Oh, you mean like Paul Krugman?  The same Paul Krugman that is used by you lefties in numerous debates in these forums as a "qualified" source of information?

 
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MaxThreshold said:
Fringe Left?  Oh, you mean like Paul Krugman?  The same Paul Krugman that is used in numerous debates in these forums as a "qualified" source of information?
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Krugman is an op-ed columnist. He does not speak for Hillary, the DNC, the Democratic Party, or any major Democratic politician.

 
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