JustinHawkins
Footballguy
12 team PPR dynasty
I gave: Stewart, Manuel, Durham
I got: Marshall, Tolbert, Panthers D
I gave: Stewart, Manuel, Durham
I got: Marshall, Tolbert, Panthers D
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*** OFFICIAL *** In-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (1 Viewer)
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
JustinHawkins
Footballguy
One and the same (I hope)
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Uh oh, might have to update my Sig.
Well, this deal happened at our trade deadline
Harvin
Doug Martin
For
Reggie bush
Antonio Gates
Dynasty
cstu
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
r0llin_game
Footballguy
r0llin_game
Footballguy
12 team QRRWWTKF PPR
I gave: Jordan Reed/2014 early/mid 3rd
I received: Michael Floyd
Had plenty of TE depth, somehow 4-4 in this league, still tied for my division at least.
Staff/Smith/Pryor
Spiller/Forte/Vereen/Quizz
Calvin/Roddy/Decker/Floyd/Antonio Brown/Randle/Mike Williams/Da'Rick
Jimmy/Cameron/Tony G
Same settings different league
Team A gives: Trent Richardson
Team B gives: C.J. Spiller/Rueben Randle/2014 mid 2nd
:X
I gave: Jordan Reed/2014 early/mid 3rd
I received: Michael Floyd
Had plenty of TE depth, somehow 4-4 in this league, still tied for my division at least.
Staff/Smith/Pryor
Spiller/Forte/Vereen/Quizz
Calvin/Roddy/Decker/Floyd/Antonio Brown/Randle/Mike Williams/Da'Rick
Jimmy/Cameron/Tony G
Same settings different league
Team A gives: Trent Richardson
Team B gives: C.J. Spiller/Rueben Randle/2014 mid 2nd
:X
JackReacher
Footballguy
See your obvious TE depth, but as an owner of both Reed and Floyd, I value Reed much higher
ghostguy123
Footballguy
well the guy getting Bush and Gates is quitting the league so.......................
Killtops
Footballguy
A couple weeks ago in 12 team .5 PPR
I gave:
Julio Jones (after injury)
Jordan Reed (a few days before his breakout game)
I got:
Eric Decker
Michael Crabtree
Seahawks D/ST
I felt like I got poor value in this trade (doubly so now that Reed is emerging), but I'm 7-1 and the leading scorer in the league. At the time I had little WR depth and I decided to make a big move with an aging roster (Brees, Forte, Gore, CJ2k, etc.). This was the best return I could get at the time.
I've since lost Reggie Wayne to injury too, so I'm hoping for a big return from Crab in the next few weeks.
I gave:
Julio Jones (after injury)
Jordan Reed (a few days before his breakout game)
I got:
Eric Decker
Michael Crabtree
Seahawks D/ST
I felt like I got poor value in this trade (doubly so now that Reed is emerging), but I'm 7-1 and the leading scorer in the league. At the time I had little WR depth and I decided to make a big move with an aging roster (Brees, Forte, Gore, CJ2k, etc.). This was the best return I could get at the time.
I've since lost Reggie Wayne to injury too, so I'm hoping for a big return from Crab in the next few weeks.
cstu
Footballguy
I almost never favor a veto, but that deserves a veto. It's a league altering trade that greatly weakens the team for whoever gets it next year.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
That's awful. In general, if the guy is 100% out next year and can't be trusted to run his team the right way, you should probably not allow him to trade.
jeter23
Footballguy
DevilDog919
Footballguy
Standard scoring non-ppr league:
Gave: Julius Thomas, Justin Blackmon, 2014 2nd (going to be 2.07 or later)
Received: Rob Gronkowsi and Dexter McCluster
Gave: Julius Thomas, Justin Blackmon, 2014 2nd (going to be 2.07 or later)
Received: Rob Gronkowsi and Dexter McCluster
joey
Footballguy
12 team, Keep 12, non-ppr.
Gave: Mike James, Mike Wallace, Cincy D, 2014 2nd
Got: 2014 1st (expect it to be Top 3)
He has Doug Martin, needed a WR, and his D stunk. I originally offered without Cincy D,really as a conversation starter and expecting a counter. I got a counter and he only added Cncy D. I hit accept as fast as possible.
Gave: Mike James, Mike Wallace, Cincy D, 2014 2nd
Got: 2014 1st (expect it to be Top 3)
He has Doug Martin, needed a WR, and his D stunk. I originally offered without Cincy D,really as a conversation starter and expecting a counter. I got a counter and he only added Cncy D. I hit accept as fast as possible.
JackReacher
Footballguy
If that is his first rounder and it looks like he'll be top 3, then his team is not competing. So why does he care who his defense is? Terrible to give away a top pick for that
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Rolling_akg
Footballguy
East Bay Rounder
Footballguy
12 Team, 22 man roster, PPR (QRRWWWTKD + RWT Flex)
Gave: 2014 2nd
Got: Blackmon
Gave: TAustin, VBrown, 2014 3rd
Got: AJohnson, Tompkins, 2014 4th
Gave: 2014 2nd
Got: Blackmon
Gave: TAustin, VBrown, 2014 3rd
Got: AJohnson, Tompkins, 2014 4th
joey
Footballguy
Couldn't agree more. He's 3-5, tied for 2nd to last in the league. Could finish middle of the pack if he goes on a run but, looking t his roster, he could easily end up as the very worse in the league. His best players are Reggie Bush, RGIII and Torrey Smith. Oy.
r0llin_game
Footballguy
I do like Reed quite a bit, but I'm definitely in the camp that Floyd can become a WR1JackReacher said:
Especially in a 2-WR league.JackReacher said:
I wouldn't hold my breath, there. Even if he comes back, if Terrell Suggs is anything to go by, he's going to look like a shadow of his former self until 2014.Killtops said:
Agreed. Although adding Vincent Brown to the Jeffery side *IS* kind of like taking Jeffery alone...jeter23 said:
REALLY? Unless this is a 2QB league that's just... ugh.
Second one isn't quite so soul-crushing, but assuming an average first, I prefer the Nicks side. If it's a late 1st in a 16-teamer (i.e. basically an early 2nd in a 12-teamer), I think I'd rather have McFadden/Wallace.
Sorry could have given some detail
The team getting Smith lost all his QB's due to injury and would have had to go the next couple weeks without a QB.
2nd Trade - If the season ended right now the 1st would be the 7th overall pick. He is 3-5 and we have 3 teams tied with that record and 4 teams at 2-6. It is possible that the pick could be a top 5.
Rolling_akg
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
No circumstance or league type in history would make this anything other than horrible................edit..................even with him losing his QB. Horrid under any circimstance.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
I was the party in this trade receiving Martin and Harvin. In a vacuum, this trade is in fact lopsided. I thought some context surrounding the trade would help.cstu said:
First of all, whether this owner will stay or go after the year is speculation only. The evidence backing up Ghostguy’s claims, as far as I know, is strictly the trade itself. The owner of this team has been one of the top owners over the last 3 years.
As for the attractiveness of this team next year if the owner were to leave, the team is left with Cam Newton, Eddie Lacy, Reggie Bush, Lesean McCoy, Cecil Shorts, Stevie Johnson, Mike Wallace, Jordan Cameron, Antonio Gates, Greg Olsen (remember, 1.5 PPR). If this team hits the open market, it will likely be the first team snapped up (at no less than full price). No issues with marketability at all.
Third, from my team’s perspective, as odd as it may seem, I was torn on making this trade despite the heavy value on the Martin/Harvin side. I considered my team as the top contender for 2013, but I had no RB depth behind Trent Richardson and Reggie Bush. My 2013 hopes now rest with….Jonathan Stewart and the successful recovery of David Wilson??? Yikes.
My team in general lacked depth (partly due to the loss of Julio Jones and the investment in futures like Cordarrelle), but counting starters only, with Reggie Bush (and backup Antonio Gates), the team was very strong (WRs/TE even minus Julio were Calvin, AJ Green, Demaryius Thomas and Harry Douglas with Gronk in 1.5 PPR) and still one of the top scoring teams in the FFPC’s 20+ leagues. This trade was not simply a trade of now for the future. It was quite possibly a trade of a TITLE in 2013 for the future.
Because of the above, what should have been a slam dunk accept/offer was not one. It started with a Martin for Bush inquiry which I shot down immediately. I would not trade a title for what “may” be an upgrade of Bush to Martin in the future. Bush is as great in Detroit as some predicted he would be. He looks absolutely dynamic. While already 28, I don’t know that he has fewer stud years than lets say Ray Rice whom many consider to be “still young”. I’m not even sure that Bush has fewer stud years in him than Martin himself. I don’t like my RBs once they hit 26, but once you get to 28 and still look strong, its difficult to say that the strong looking 28 year old will run out of gas before the 26 year old (because to me, they are both already old). As such, Bush for Martin wasn’t a consideration. Contrary to Dez’s post, the fact that Martin was drafted early in startup drafts and Bush much later is now irrelevant. Circumstances have changed. In this league, at this time, I preferred Bush over Martin.
Question then is, what profit would be great enough where I would be willing to trade Bush and what was looking to be a title in 2013? Keep in mind, this is not just any title, since $4500 goes along with it. The answer: I needed Harvin’s value over Gates to make it worth my while and risk.
So this was not the typical situation where a team looking to rebuild was selling older vets to a team looking to win now. This was the top “redraft” team, late in the season, jeopardizing and likely crushing its own title hopes for the sake of future gains, and possibly handing the keys to the 2013 championship car to another contending team. Even considering the future gains, one might argue that my team ALREADY had enough for the future and did not need to risk 2013. I certainly considered that and it is quite possible that this move will reduce my overall winning potential (because of the 2013 loss) rather than increase it.
Finally and what I think is most important in evaluating the trade is how the trade went down and the opportunity that was given to all owners. This owner announced to the league that he wanted to win now and would take the best offer for his injured players (i.e., Martin and Harvin). He announced this not once, but twice.
Having been given the opportunity, I don’t think anyone in the league was willing to give more than Bush and Gates for Martin and Harvin (and the fact is, no one offered more). I’m pretty sure none of the contenders would have made a better offer even if the sale were conducted auction style.
Ghostguy and Dez, you two now have perhaps the top redraft team in this very league. Would you have offered more and jeopardized your own title run? If so, what would you have offered that would provide a bigger punch than Bush and Gates, and why did you not offer it? Or, did you decide that you were “all in” this year and that offering your firepower was not in the best interest of your team?
When I made my offer (which again was not the slam dunk that I would normally think it would be), I knew there was a risk that someone else in the league (like another one of the better teams like Dez/Ghostguy) could benefit from a great deal instead of me, but judging from my own trepidation in making this trade, I was confident my fellow contending owners (especially those without yet a title under their belts) would feel the trepidation even more. In the off chance that perhaps Ghostguy/Dez would step up and beat the offer, I really wouldn’t have minded (possibly even celebrated). I would have LOVED it if Dez/Ghostguy stepped up and traded away Marshawn Lynch and Jason Witten for Martin/Harvin as an example.
As such, considering that (1) I had little to no wiggle room in my own offer due to my team’s circumstances and (2) I was confident no one would beat my offer for the same reasons, in this league, at this time, Bush and Gates was the right price for Martin and Harvin (as strange as that may sound).
Now whether this owner should have gone this direction in the first place is a different question entirely. I would never advise any team to make such a trade. I certainly would never make such a trade no matter the circumstances. But the lure of $4500 can be great, and with Martin and Harvin, this team was dead in the water in 2013. Given the strong desire to trade those two non-productive “future” pieces in order to win now, a desire felt by many a dynasty owner, Bush and Gates really was the best this team could do.
Ok, flame away
So go without a QB. This is dynasty, not redraft. I'd rather go without a QB for 3 games than go without Spiller for 3 years.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Sorry Ernol, but the trade was just horrible, without looking at situations.
In YOUR situation, I can certainly see why it was a difficult decision, because "in theory" the trade hurts you THIS year.
However, you are 100% making the playoffs and can still realistically get a 1st round bye. Not to mention, Harvin is coming back THIS year, and will be a nice fit as your FOURTH WR (2nd flex). You could also just not even play any RBs and win the league with Ryan, Calvin, Demaryius, Aj Green, Harvin, and Gronk. So while the deal likley does hurt you this year, it doesn't necessarily mean you finish any worse than you would have .
Also, we didn't make a trade with the guy because he is a giant #####, and he won't trade with us under any circumstance anyway. We would have had to beat your offer by a LOT, likely to the point where it would have been an equal value deal, for him to accept it.
In HIS situation, it's terrible because he is giving up all that future value to get Bush and Gates, and it still doesn't even put him among the 4 best teams in terms of scoring potential, which SCREAMS that it's a move someone leaving the league would make.
And yes, he is leaving the league. It isn't JUST the trade that says it, it is a couple people confirming what that owner has told them. I'll gladly make a 6 pack of beer bet on whether or not he leaves. I am taking the GONE side of that one. Take me up on that??
And yes, his team will easily sell in the offseason................but that doesn't make his decision to do this deal any more "right", or make it any less lopsided.
I am fairly sure if we protested it, it would have been reversed......................but as you said, the trade helps our chances, so I said F it. Might be our only chance to ever get a title, and probably already was whether you made that deal or not.
Oh yeah, and I forgot, I think some of the other contending teams also are leaving the league, so why would they do this deal?? And none of the rebuilding teams had anything worthwhile left to give to help him this year, so basically you were his only trade partner................and it really showed based on the final outcome of the deal.
In YOUR situation, I can certainly see why it was a difficult decision, because "in theory" the trade hurts you THIS year.
However, you are 100% making the playoffs and can still realistically get a 1st round bye. Not to mention, Harvin is coming back THIS year, and will be a nice fit as your FOURTH WR (2nd flex). You could also just not even play any RBs and win the league with Ryan, Calvin, Demaryius, Aj Green, Harvin, and Gronk. So while the deal likley does hurt you this year, it doesn't necessarily mean you finish any worse than you would have .
Also, we didn't make a trade with the guy because he is a giant #####, and he won't trade with us under any circumstance anyway. We would have had to beat your offer by a LOT, likely to the point where it would have been an equal value deal, for him to accept it.
In HIS situation, it's terrible because he is giving up all that future value to get Bush and Gates, and it still doesn't even put him among the 4 best teams in terms of scoring potential, which SCREAMS that it's a move someone leaving the league would make.
And yes, he is leaving the league. It isn't JUST the trade that says it, it is a couple people confirming what that owner has told them. I'll gladly make a 6 pack of beer bet on whether or not he leaves. I am taking the GONE side of that one. Take me up on that??
And yes, his team will easily sell in the offseason................but that doesn't make his decision to do this deal any more "right", or make it any less lopsided.
I am fairly sure if we protested it, it would have been reversed......................but as you said, the trade helps our chances, so I said F it. Might be our only chance to ever get a title, and probably already was whether you made that deal or not.
Oh yeah, and I forgot, I think some of the other contending teams also are leaving the league, so why would they do this deal?? And none of the rebuilding teams had anything worthwhile left to give to help him this year, so basically you were his only trade partner................and it really showed based on the final outcome of the deal.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Not this year. Trade deadline has passed.cstu said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
It's pretty tough to get trades reversed in the FFPCcstu said:
Dez Bryant and a 2014 2nd was traded for Roddy White, James Jones, and Deangelo Williams earlier this year, was protested, and not reversed.
Jared Cook went a few weeks back (like week 5-6) for Alfred Morris and Jermaine Gresham, protested and not reversed.
gandalas
Footballguy
Trent Richardson was considered the same in this past offseason. Who knows how the 2 injured guys come back, and Martin has a hot mess to come back to in Tampa, as well.Coeur de Lion said:
Harvin was amazing, but new team, injury prone, etc. Who even knows how he will be used in SEA?
EDIT: just playing Devil's Advocate here.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
And Bush and Gates are the most reliable/durable guys out there, right?
That trade was simply the PERFECT STORM of the other guy not having any trade partners for various reasons. One in a million shot at it lining up like that for Ernol who now has Harvin as his 5th WR when at most you can start 4.
cstu
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
As of right now, I believe 2, with a 3rd very possible...................and those are just the guys I actually talk to. Of like the 6 other teams, who knows. Three of them are new to the league this yearcstu said:
I think Ernol is staying. Ryan, Richardson, Martin, Wilson, Calvin, Julio, Demaryius, Aj Green, Harvin, Gronk.................. a blind monkey gets that team a bye next year.
edit....................and the teams will be GOOD, too. At least a couple of them. SHould find owners no prob
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