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[Brewdude]

BTW, apologies go out to all those that I ridiculed for saying the magnet would pull a plane 30,000 feet out of the sky.  Still seems ridiculous to me, but it happened.

Here's my theory. The magnet didn't pull the plane out of the sky...it just messed up the instruments.

I like it on the surface, but it doesn't really explain how the plane broke apart in mid-air. From the flashback scenes in the plane you could clearly see people being sucked out of the plane into the air and there was no ground near them. Not to mention that most commercial flights don't fly much higher than 30-35000 feet to begin with.Being closer to the ground would, hwoever, explain how Jack and others appear to have been "dropped" onto the ground without serious injury.

This is exactly my point. The plane was supposed to be at 35,000 feet. The magnet screwed with the instruments and the plane thought it was flying at 60,000 in an instant. It started a sharp descent to get back to the correct 35,000 feet. The oxygen masks drop as the plane descends. The descent is too sharp for the aircraft and it breaks apart as it nears what appears to be the 30,000 level--which is actually sea level.

 

[stonegossard]

Something that is bothering me, but hasn't been mentioned yet.

After the "explosion," Charlies show up in a good mood. When asked what that was he said "what, that?" Then when asked where Locke and Eko were he acts surprised and says "they aren't back yet?"

He was in far too good of a mood for what he had just experienced. Something about him changed...

I was just talking about that at work....something was very odd about how Charlie was acting. He was not acting as though he was just through this very traumatic experience. So that begs the question...did anything happen to the Swan Hatch at all? Was the white light/noise from that hatch or from somewhere else on the island? I know we saw the quarantined hatch door falling from the sky, but that didn't mean the hatch is gone. My favorite part of this episode was when Henry said they "were the good guys". Very interesting.

Clancy Brown was great playing the Kelvin role. I really liked him.

 

[Sclaffer]

Something is bugging me about Michael and Walt leaving on the boat, following the heading of 325 and the magnet. With the implosion/explosion in the hatch, would not the electromagnet become incapacitated, or stop working, thus not messing with the compass any longer? If the heading of 325 was correct, prior to the implosion, and the electromagnet stops working, the heading of 325 would not, now, be the correct heading.

Is the electomagnet still functioning after what happened in the hatch?

I still believe that the magnet had something to do with the special powers of healing on the island, and that if the magnet is no longer working, Locke will lose his ability to walk again and Rose will have a relapse.

 

[Dash]

A note on the print-out logs: the numbering scheme changed. Desmond found eight numbers (922044:16) whereas the printouts we first saw had ten (41602052:17). I don't like mistakes like that in a show this detail oriented and containing so many questions as it only compounds the problem of figuring out what is going on.

 

[stbugs]

Henry is clearly the leader based on Zeke's response to him about why he didn't have the beard on.

No shizzee.

Gotcha, you don't even watch the show do you? You just read this thread and pretend, you have been working on this shtick for 2 seasons, man that is dedication.

No call for being rude. I admit I didn't watch every epsidoe fifteen times to pick up every little nuance - or participate in this thread to follow much - that shouldn't call for this type of attitude.I have watched every episode - missed a few minutes here and there over the month of April - but I have seen every episode.

No - I don't have every friggin' comment memorized.

Chill, man, was trying to be funny not rude. I suppose I should have put a in there, but I figured you would have gotten the sarcasm. Heck, I think highly of you because you have been a backer of Dominick Davis in other threads!Anyway, other people may have actually been more serious (I was trying to be funny but it was after midnight and I was tired) and I understand them being so. I can see why folks who love the show (you have to love the show to post about it) would be put off by someone who says the show jumped the shark. It's just human nature to defend your position, go start a thread about Ron Dayne not being a top 20 RB and see if SSOG gets a bit riled up.

 

[ThisGuy]

I can't wait for the Season 2 DVD to come out. ABC screwed me up so bad with the way it scheduled the show this season, I gave up in Week 4.

 

[Capella]

A note on the print-out logs: the numbering scheme changed. Desmond found eight numbers (922044:16) whereas the printouts we first saw had ten (41602052:17). I don't like mistakes like that in a show this detail oriented and containing so many questions as it only compounds the problem of figuring out what is going on.

 

[(HULK)]

My predictions for tonights show.

This is just my gut talking here, combined with a hints here and there that I've come across.

I will invisitext them as one or two might actually be correct.

1. I believe we will discover that the fake Henry Gale is in fact the leader of the Others.  I think he is running their whole show on the island.

2. I believe that Locke will destroy the countdown computer somehow, and that when the timer runs out there will be explosions in the hatch, but the world will not end because of it.  However, it will trigger 1 other as of yet unseen reaction.

3. I believe that Desmond, when he returns, will be borderline nuts.  I think he will suggest something earth shattering to the Losties, but it will end up only being ravings of a tortured mind.

4.  Via a flashback, we will see that Libby is married or related to a high up guy in either Hanso or Widmore.  She will also sell a boat to Desmond, and it will be the very boat we saw at the end of last weeks episode.

5.  I believe we also will see that Libby was a deeply planted mole.  She was on flight 815 when it crashed, and she was the reason it crashed.  She had some sort of equipment on board to mess with the navigational equipment to bring the plane to the island, and then she detonated a small explosion which tore the plane into 3 parts.

Those are best, most educated guesses about the big moments tonight.

1. I was dead on for this one2. Pretty close to correct here

3. Unknown. Did he really sail in a straight line, or was he too drunk to notice his drifting?

4. Partial credit

5. 100% wrong

I give my predictions a grade of B-

 

[stbugs]

Oh, wasn't 1980 right about when Rousseau's ship crashed? I wonder if the same thing happened to as did to flight 815.

2004-16 = 1988

I still think the Swan hatch may still have imploded when Desmond turned the key.

Remember that it was mainly built with concrete. Implosion probably wouldn't happen.

I realized I goofed on that this morning. It was late.By the way, I agree, the hatch was mainly concrete, the only things that were moving were the objects with metal in them.

 

[Sack-Religious]

My predictions for tonights show.This is just my gut talking here, combined with a hints here and there that I've come across.

I will invisitext them as one or two might actually be correct.

3. I believe that Desmond, when he returns, will be borderline nuts.  I think he will suggest something earth shattering to the Losties, but it will end up only being ravings of a tortured mind.

Those are best, most educated guesses about the big moments tonight.

3. Unknown. Did he really sail in a straight line, or was he too drunk to notice his

I give my predictions a grade of B-

These were all good calls. But the impression I got from Desmond was that he started hitting the bottle once he saw that he was right back where he started. From there, he didn't stop until Locke sobered him up.

 

[Capella]

My predictions for tonights show.

This is just my gut talking here, combined with a hints here and there that I've come across.

I will invisitext them as one or two might actually be correct.

1. I believe we will discover that the fake Henry Gale is in fact the leader of the Others.  I think he is running their whole show on the island.

2. I believe that Locke will destroy the countdown computer somehow, and that when the timer runs out there will be explosions in the hatch, but the world will not end because of it.  However, it will trigger 1 other as of yet unseen reaction.

3. I believe that Desmond, when he returns, will be borderline nuts.  I think he will suggest something earth shattering to the Losties, but it will end up only being ravings of a tortured mind.

4.  Via a flashback, we will see that Libby is married or related to a high up guy in either Hanso or Widmore.  She will also sell a boat to Desmond, and it will be the very boat we saw at the end of last weeks episode.

5.  I believe we also will see that Libby was a deeply planted mole.  She was on flight 815 when it crashed, and she was the reason it crashed.  She had some sort of equipment on board to mess with the navigational equipment to bring the plane to the island, and then she detonated a small explosion which tore the plane into 3 parts.

Those are best, most educated guesses about the big moments tonight.

1. I was dead on for this one2. Pretty close to correct here

3. Unknown. Did he really sail in a straight line, or was he too drunk to notice his drifting?

4. Partial credit

5. 100% wrong

I give my predictions a grade of B-

predictions come on dude, you ripped them off a spoiler site.

 

[stbugs]

Something that is bothering me, but hasn't been mentioned yet.

After the "explosion," Charlies show up in a good mood.  When asked what that was he said "what, that?"  Then when asked where Locke and Eko were he acts surprised and says "they aren't back yet?"

He was in far too good of a mood for what he had just experienced.  Something about him changed...

I was just talking about that at work....something was very odd about how Charlie was acting. He was not acting as though he was just through this very traumatic experience. So that begs the question...did anything happen to the Swan Hatch at all? Was the white light/noise from that hatch or from somewhere else on the island? I know we saw the quarantined hatch door falling from the sky, but that didn't mean the hatch is gone. My favorite part of this episode was when Henry said they "were the good guys". Very interesting.

Clancy Brown was great playing the Kelvin role. I really liked him.

Charlie's reaction leads me to believe that Locke and Eko are OK. Maybe he actually saw them outside of the hatch and they decided to go somewhere else for a bit or where checking out the damage.Then again, he was just blown up, hearing impaired and knocked around, so I will give him a bit of leeway, but his reaction definitely didn't seem evil (nice to Claire) or overly concerned (Locke and Eko OK).

Actually, I still think that Desmond will be OK as well.

 

[Dash]

A note on the print-out logs: the numbering scheme changed. Desmond found eight numbers (922044:16) whereas the printouts we first saw had ten (41602052:17). I don't like mistakes like that in a show this detail oriented and containing so many questions as it only compounds the problem of figuring out what is going on.

You need to focus on something more important than my nerdiness

 

[shuke]

The guy who calls Penny Widmore at the end?

Jack's Twin?

It's Jack! Or at least his T W I N....

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

What??

 

[stbugs]

My predictions for tonights show.

This is just my gut talking here, combined with a hints here and there that I've come across.

I will invisitext them as one or two might actually be correct.

1. I believe we will discover that the fake Henry Gale is in fact the leader of the Others.  I think he is running their whole show on the island.

2. I believe that Locke will destroy the countdown computer somehow, and that when the timer runs out there will be explosions in the hatch, but the world will not end because of it.  However, it will trigger 1 other as of yet unseen reaction.

3. I believe that Desmond, when he returns, will be borderline nuts.  I think he will suggest something earth shattering to the Losties, but it will end up only being ravings of a tortured mind.

4.  Via a flashback, we will see that Libby is married or related to a high up guy in either Hanso or Widmore.  She will also sell a boat to Desmond, and it will be the very boat we saw at the end of last weeks episode.

5.  I believe we also will see that Libby was a deeply planted mole.  She was on flight 815 when it crashed, and she was the reason it crashed.  She had some sort of equipment on board to mess with the navigational equipment to bring the plane to the island, and then she detonated a small explosion which tore the plane into 3 parts.

Those are best, most educated guesses about the big moments tonight.

1. I was dead on for this one2. Pretty close to correct here

3. Unknown. Did he really sail in a straight line, or was he too drunk to notice his drifting?

4. Partial credit

5. 100% wrong

I give my predictions a grade of B-

I think you are giving yourself too much credit on 2. The explosion was due to dynamite and if Desmond doesn't turn the key maybe the world does sustain some serious damage. Also, I would say 3 was wrong as well because he probably did start drinking because he kept getting back to the island and once sobered up he was not a raving lunatic anymore.I would give you a B+ for effort, but a C- for results.

 

[Sack-Religious]

I still think the Swan hatch may still have imploded when Desmond turned the key.

Remember that it was mainly built with concrete. Implosion probably wouldn't happen.

Most concrete, especially reinforced concrete used in construction has metal rebar in it to make it stronger. If the magnet is THAT powerful, it could, in theory, tear the metal out of the concrete causing the hatch to lose structural integrity and there for collapse onto itself.

 

[stbugs]

The guy who calls Penny Widmore at the end? 

Jack's Twin?

It's Jack!  Or at least his T W I N....

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

What??

Hopefully joking, but I still think the blonde that was never in focus in the record store was Mrs. DeGroot.

 

[Dash]

I still think the Swan hatch may still have imploded when Desmond turned the key.

Remember that it was mainly built with concrete. Implosion probably wouldn't happen.

Most concrete, especially reinforced concrete used in construction has metal rebar in it to make it stronger. If the magnet is THAT powerful, it could, in theory, tear the metal out of the concrete causing the hatch to lose structural integrity and there for collapse onto itself.

I concede until episode 1 of season 3

 

[shuke]

Another thing about Henry supposedly being the leader.

When Sayid was about to shoot and kill him (and there's no doubt he would have followed through) why did Henry plea that Sayid had no idea what HE will do to Henry if he answered Sayid's questions?  There's that HE again.

Well how do we know that Henry wasn't lying? That's what they do, lie.

Because that scene with henry was different. Sayid at that point was prepared to kill his prisoner to make SURE he knew what his last words were. It was the only way to get useful info from him. He was going to kill him and Anna stopped him at the last second.

It was different from what?

It was different from being interrogated. He was no longer in interrogation mode. He was in execution mode. Without a doubt, if Anna does hit his arm, Sayid kills Henry. At that point, Henry is no longer offering BS, he is bargaining for his life.

But what if he's willing to die for his cause (whatever his cause may be)? That's certainly a possibility, right?

But if that's the case, then the organization Henry and the others belong to is BIGGER than Henry. And that means Henry is NOT the leader. Henry in your scenario is a pawn, willing to be sacrificed in the chess game.

I don't get your logic.

 

[stbugs]

I still think the Swan hatch may still have imploded when Desmond turned the key.

Remember that it was mainly built with concrete. Implosion probably wouldn't happen.

Most concrete, especially reinforced concrete used in construction has metal rebar in it to make it stronger. If the magnet is THAT powerful, it could, in theory, tear the metal out of the concrete causing the hatch to lose structural integrity and there for collapse onto itself.

They new about the EM fields ahead of time, so hopefully they built the hatch knowing what not to do.Is it just my imagination or was there a post a few pages back about Widmore and them studying ways to reinforce structures due to high EM fields? Am I crazy or was that posted and it was part of the online adventure?

 

[shuke]

But if that's the case, then the organization Henry and the others belong to is BIGGER than Henry.

I think that's a given.

And that means Henry is NOT the leader.  Henry in your scenario is a pawn, willing to be sacrificed in the chess game.

Of the grand project, whatever it may be, perhaps not. Of The Others on the island? I think he absolutely is.

If he turns out to be the leader, then it was a poorly written scene. That's all I can tell you. I mean, you are willing to believe Zeke when he mentions off the cuff in the medical hatch that there is a him, that there is someone higher up than he is. But When Henry has a GUN pointed at him by an ex-military guy who is ready to execute him, and he starts screaming about a higher up, that is obviously to you a mind game? poorly, poorly written if that is the case. The MOST believable mention of a higher up in the other's ranks is by Henry, period.

I think you're being silly.

 

[shuke]

Sayid DID shoot. The gun discharged into the floor or the wall because Anna hit his arm. Henry, the supposed "leader" should be dead.

You don't know that. The shot could have been caused by AL hitting his arm.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Something else that's been bothering me. The Others don't really seem all that upset when one of their own dies.

Eko killed at least 2 or 3 during the first abduction attempts. Charlie shot Ethan, Ana killed Goodwin and Sawyer popped that guy in the jungle.

Yet they seem unfazed by some of their own getting killed? What gives?

Is it their "we're working for a higher purpose" mentality that makes them look upon some of them as "expendable"?

 

[shuke]

And how did the supposed leader get caught so easily by Rouseau?

You really have no idea what's going on, do you?

 

[stbugs]

BTW, apologies go out to all those that I ridiculed for saying the magnet would pull a plane 30,000 feet out of the sky.  Still seems ridiculous to me, but it happened.

Here's my theory. The magnet didn't pull the plane out of the sky...it just messed up the instruments.

I like it on the surface, but it doesn't really explain how the plane broke apart in mid-air. From the flashback scenes in the plane you could clearly see people being sucked out of the plane into the air and there was no ground near them. Not to mention that most commercial flights don't fly much higher than 30-35000 feet to begin with.Being closer to the ground would, hwoever, explain how Jack and others appear to have been "dropped" onto the ground without serious injury.

This is exactly my point. The plane was supposed to be at 35,000 feet. The magnet screwed with the instruments and the plane thought it was flying at 60,000 in an instant. It started a sharp descent to get back to the correct 35,000 feet. The oxygen masks drop as the plane descends. The descent is too sharp for the aircraft and it breaks apart as it nears what appears to be the 30,000 level--which is actually sea level.

I agree with you. I don't think the plane was pulled down by the magnetic field, but the instrumentation was so severely damaged that it caused problems that then caused it to break apart.I remember in the crash sequence, there was time enough for Charlie to get back to his seat, so it wasn't just pulled down at an alarming rate, it seemed like there was a good bit of turbulence before the plane broke apart.

Also, after Desmond corrects the issue, any corrections by the pilots for the turbulence could have resulted in a worse situation without the magnetic field.

 

[stbugs]

Sayid DID shoot.  The gun discharged into the floor or the wall because Anna hit his arm.  Henry, the supposed "leader" should be dead.

You don't know that. The shot could have been caused by AL hitting his arm.

Also, I assume Henry saw the whole bad cop/good cop setup. I said that to my wife when I was watching it.

 

[Alias]

Didn't give it it's due last night - superb finale last night.

Did we find out what "the incident" they referred to in the orientation films? Could it be the Black Rock ship in conjunction with the Electromagnetic disturbance?

 

[stbugs]

And how did the supposed leader get caught so easily by Rouseau?

You really have no idea what's going on, do you?

What is your thought here? I personally believe all of Rousseau's stories. Do you think she is also an Other and the trap was a setup? I think Henry was legitimately caught in Rousseau's trap. People mentioned that Henry would be stupid to fall for the baby thing, but we have seen other traps like the tripwire Hurley hit that blew up her camp.

 

[PC Load Letter]

Him = Penny's dad?

The island was not built to house Desmond since the tests were going on way before Desmond and the daughter were even thought of. 

Henry Gayle = Penny's dad? or the VP of the company?

Who is the real Henry Gayle and how did he end up on the island?  Why?

Him = Penny?

Fake Henry looks nothing like the guy in the car that Desmond spoke to, who we know is Mr. Widmore.Probably worth noting that the balloon the real Henry Gale flew(?) in had a large Widmore logo on it.

What is the Widmore logo? I thought the balloon had a happy face.

Sorry, I guess I could have been more clear. The literal balloon had a smiley face on it, but the capsule(?) that the real Henry Gale rode in had a Widmore logo on it. Here is a screen cap of it.

Ah, good catch.What if it's something like this... Mr. Widmore, for whatever reason, funded Hanso/Dharma as they made this island experiment. Then when Desmond got out of jail, he intentionally let Desmond find out about this "race" around the world, but it was really a setup to get him far away from his daughter.

Then, during the 2 years Desmond is on the island with Kelvin, Mr. Widmore dies and his daughter inherits all his money. She either uncovers her dad's plan (or knew about it all along) and with her dead father's resources uses Widmore hot air balloons and Widmore electromagnetic anomoly detectors to track down her long lost love.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Enjoyed the episode. For a season finale, it was well done.

The only question I ask, is one of logic - which of course has no right to be part of a TV show, I know:

It seems very odd to me that the Lost group is so ready and willing to keep secrets about the island from each other. The entire group except for the big 'stars' - Locke, Eko, Charlie, Sawyer, Sayid, Kate, Jack - all look to Jack as the de facto leader.

And even within that group, Kate seems to defer to Jack, Locke at least did at one point, Charlie moves around for a leader to be led by in just about every few episodes, Sayid confers with Jack a lot, and Sawyer seems to, in the end, pretty much do the right thing.

So, why wouldn't Jack or Kate or even Sayid the military guy, get everyone in a group and go over everything they know about the island so that they can plan their lives accordingly? Seems to me they would act a little better as a cohesive group if at least the big group above knew everything that everyone else knows.

That's pretty much the only thing bothering me, and it's not that big. I get that the drama of the moments would be lost if they did that, but still, I wonder.

 

[stbugs]

Didn't give it it's due last night - superb finale last night.

Did we find out what "the incident" they referred to in the orientation films? Could it be the Black Rock ship in conjunction with the Electromagnetic disturbance?

The Black Rock is too old based on the date of the incident 1980ish. I think the Black Rock is probably just a ship that, like Desmond, somehow found its way to the island and couldn't get away from it. The only thing we learned about the incident was from Kelvin that it was a leak, so the incident was probably when the Dharma folks first started studying there and then maybe they built the hatch and computer setup after that leak when they realized what it could do.

 

[shuke]

BTW, apologies go out to all those that I ridiculed for saying the magnet would pull a plane 30,000 feet out of the sky.  Still seems ridiculous to me, but it happened.

Here's my theory. The magnet didn't pull the plane out of the sky...it just messed up the instruments.

I agree with this.

 

[Mahoney]

164 pages?

It's been a great season and a fun ride. But the big question is....now that "Season 2" is in the books, when do we send off the "Official Season 2" thread?

Will it be an open casket or creamation?

Seriously. Nobody, and I repeat- NOBODY knows what the heck is going on in that show. I think the last episode pulled back the curtain a little to see more of the story but at the same time it left even more question marks (and circles) than ever. I'm losing my mind. It's time for my conspiracy theory riddled brain to take a "LOST" timeout for 4 months and enjoy some freedom from my television. See you guys in the Season 3 thread.

To: Season 2.

 

[Brewdude]

What exactly did turning the key do that pressing the button didn't do?

Was the computer actually running the magnet? Without the computer, there is no magnet????

 

[jplvr]

levin, no offense -- but coming in here an hour after a great show where everybody is excited and wants to talk about it, and then saying that's as good as it gets -- and then getting offended when some people react angrily, is pretty dumb.

jmo

I haven't really been paying too much attention to this thread for various reasons, but it's unbearable with Levin in here.Great job Marc, you have your answers. No one cares that you are easily amused.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

So, why wouldn't Jack or Kate or even Sayid the military guy, get everyone in a group and go over everything they know about the island so that they can plan their lives accordingly? Seems to me they would act a little better as a cohesive group if at least the big group above knew everything that everyone else knows.

They don't all trust each other completely.

 

[shuke]

I know we saw the quarantined hatch door falling from the sky, but that didn't mean the hatch is gone.

We don't even know if that's the door from the Swan hatch, do we?

 

[stbugs]

I think Michael teams up with Sayid and Jin and they come back and kick some Others ###.

I don't think we see Michael on the island again. I think somehow he will meet up with Penny and give her info on the island.If he gets back into circulation, I could see a storyline where Penny knows about flight 815 (disappears in the same area as Desmond) and tracks down Michael. There will be some sort of media circus around Michael if he is rescued by normal people. Henry said Michael would be rescued, but maybe by the off-island Dharma folks?

 

[aardball44]

Fabulous episode - really tied a lot of stuff together.

You Lost freeks are gonna hate me for saying this, but they just jumped the shark.

No way they can top the last few weeks.

I'm afraid I agree with you. The last five minutes opened up an interesting can of worms, but I believe the writers will have trouble sustaining the intensity and mystery of the first two seasons now that the Outside World is actively involved in the storyline.

 

[(HULK)]

What was Libby's husband's name?

David. I don't think we've met a David and I doubt we will.

Wasnt Hurley'simaginary friend named Dave?

Ohhhh.If they did THAT, that would be crazyiness.

 

[shuke]

My predictions for tonights show.

This is just my gut talking here, combined with a hints here and there that I've come across.

I will invisitext them as one or two might actually be correct.

1. I believe we will discover that the fake Henry Gale is in fact the leader of the Others.  I think he is running their whole show on the island.

2. I believe that Locke will destroy the countdown computer somehow, and that when the timer runs out there will be explosions in the hatch, but the world will not end because of it.  However, it will trigger 1 other as of yet unseen reaction.

3. I believe that Desmond, when he returns, will be borderline nuts.  I think he will suggest something earth shattering to the Losties, but it will end up only being ravings of a tortured mind.

4.  Via a flashback, we will see that Libby is married or related to a high up guy in either Hanso or Widmore.  She will also sell a boat to Desmond, and it will be the very boat we saw at the end of last weeks episode.

5.  I believe we also will see that Libby was a deeply planted mole.  She was on flight 815 when it crashed, and she was the reason it crashed.  She had some sort of equipment on board to mess with the navigational equipment to bring the plane to the island, and then she detonated a small explosion which tore the plane into 3 parts.

Those are best, most educated guesses about the big moments tonight.

1. I was dead on for this one2. Pretty close to correct here

3. Unknown. Did he really sail in a straight line, or was he too drunk to notice his drifting?

4. Partial credit

5. 100% wrong

I give my predictions a grade of B-

predictions come on dude, you ripped them off a spoiler site.

 

[packersfan]

Sayid DID shoot. The gun discharged into the floor or the wall because Anna hit his arm. Henry, the supposed "leader" should be dead.

You don't know that. The shot could have been caused by AL hitting his arm.

Also, I assume Henry saw the whole bad cop/good cop setup. I said that to my wife when I was watching it.

Agreed. That was what I was thinking when I was watching it -- no way were they just going to kill him at that point before they could get more info from him. I think Henry smelled the plan a mile away -- just as he always did with the Losties. Guy's proven to be a smart cookie.And with relation to Hulk's post above, I wouldn't rule out Libby being a plant just yet.

 

[shuke]

And how did the supposed leader get caught so easily by Rouseau?

You really have no idea what's going on, do you?

What is your thought here? I personally believe all of Rousseau's stories. Do you think she is also an Other and the trap was a setup? I think Henry was legitimately caught in Rousseau's trap. People mentioned that Henry would be stupid to fall for the baby thing, but we have seen other traps like the tripwire Hurley hit that blew up her camp.

I think he wanted to be caught and taken to the crash survivors' camp.

 

[stbugs]

164 pages?

It's been a great season and a fun ride. But the big question is....now that "Season 2" is in the books, when do we send off the "Official Season 2" thread?

Will it be an open casket or creamation?

Seriously. Nobody, and I repeat- NOBODY knows what the heck is going on in that show. I think the last episode pulled back the curtain a little to see more of the story but at the same time it left even more question marks (and circles) than ever. I'm losing my mind. It's time for my conspiracy theory riddled brain to take a "LOST" timeout for 4 months and enjoy some freedom from my television. See you guys in the Season 3 thread.

To: Season 2.

I would say this thread will have some legs for a few more days, but while dry up rather quickly. RIP.

Hulk has a thread for the Internet info, so it would be nice for everyone to post info on that into that thread. I will check in there every once and a while to see if anything interesting comes up.

 

[jplvr]

Something that is bothering me, but hasn't been mentioned yet.

After the "explosion," Charlies show up in a good mood.  When asked what that was he said "what, that?"  Then when asked where Locke and Eko were he acts surprised and says "they aren't back yet?"

He was in far too good of a mood for what he had just experienced.  Something about him changed...

I was just talking about that at work....something was very odd about how Charlie was acting. He was not acting as though he was just through this very traumatic experience. So that begs the question...did anything happen to the Swan Hatch at all? Was the white light/noise from that hatch or from somewhere else on the island? I know we saw the quarantined hatch door falling from the sky, but that didn't mean the hatch is gone. My favorite part of this episode was when Henry said they "were the good guys". Very interesting.

Clancy Brown was great playing the Kelvin role. I really liked him.

I thought I was going to get to the end of the thread before someone mentioned Charlie. He did seem strange to me. "Locke, Ecko? They're not back yet?" Pretty much a non-issue to him.

 

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Ok. I was doing some research on mythology to see if there was any corrolation between Penelope and Persephone. I didn't come up with anything, but in case anyone doesn't remember the Odyssey, check this out...

Penelope - Penelope is the wife of the main character, the king of Ithaca Odysseus (also known as Ulysses in Roman mythology) and daughter of Icarius and his wife Periboea. She has one son by Odysseus, Telemachus, who was born just before Odysseus is called to fight in the Trojan War. She waits twenty years for the final return of her husband from the Trojan War, while she has hard times in refusing marriage proposal from several princes for four years since the fall of Troy. Odysseus, disguised as an old beggar, sees that Penelope has remained faithful to him. She devises tricks to delay her suitors, one of which is pretending to weave a burial shroud for Odysseus' elderly father Laertes and claiming she will choose one suitor when she has finished. Every night for three years she undoes part of the shroud, until her maidens discover her trickery and reveal it to the suitors.

Because of her efforts in putting off remarriage, she is often seen as a symbol of connubial fidelity. However, Penelope is getting restless (due, in part, to Athena's meddling) and variously calling out for Artemis to kill her and (apparently) considering marrying one of the suitors. When the disguised Odysseus returns to his home, she announces that whoever can string a particularly rigid bow can have her hand. There is debate over whether or not she is aware that Odysseus is behind the disguise. By Penelope and the suitors' knowledge, Odysseus, were he in fact present, would clearly surpass any of the suitors in any test of masculine skill that could be contrived.

Odysseus watched the suitors drink and take advantage of his family's hospitality, and gets more and more angry. The contest of the bow begins, but none of the suitors can string the bow, and Odysseus wins the contest and proceeds to kill them all with help from his son Telemachus, Athena and a servant, Eumaeus. Odysseus has now shown himself in all his glory, and it is standard (in terms of a recognition scene) for all to recognize him and be happy. Penelope, however, cannot believe her husband has really returned (she fears that perhaps it is some god in disguise as Odysseus, as in the story of Alcmene), and tests him by ordering her servant Euryclea to move the bed in their wedding-chamber. Odysseus protests that this can not be done since he had made the bed himself and knows that one of its legs was a living olive tree, and Penelope finally accepts that he is truly her husband. That moment highlights their homophrosyne (like-mindedness).

In one story, after Odysseus' death, she marries his son by Circe, Telegonus, with whom she was the mother of Italus. Telemachus also marries Circe when Penelope and Telemachus bring Odysseus' body to Circe's island.

Circe - in Greek mythology, enchantress; daughter of Helios. She lived on an island, where she decoyed sailors and treacherously changed them into beasts. According to the Odyssey, she changed the companions of Odysseus into swine, but with the aid of Hermes, Odysseus forced her to break the spell. In post-Homeric legend she bore Odysseus a son, Telegonus, who unwillingly killed his father.

Ms. Clue? Or maybe Abrams changed the sex to male for his mythology and this is Gale.

 

[shuke]

Fabulous episode - really tied a lot of stuff together.

You Lost freeks are gonna hate me for saying this, but they just jumped the shark.

No way they can top the last few weeks.

I'm afraid I agree with you. The last five minutes opened up an interesting can of worms, but I believe the writers will have trouble sustaining the intensity and mystery of the first two seasons now that the Outside World is actively involved in the storyline.

Come on guys, we all know this show won't jump the shark until season 4 or 5 when they find Ted McGinley holed up in one of the other hatches.

 

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Another thing about Henry supposedly being the leader.

When Sayid was about to shoot and kill him (and there's no doubt he would have followed through) why did Henry plea that Sayid had no idea what HE will do to Henry if he answered Sayid's questions? There's that HE again.

Because he was manipulating everyone.I think it is clear that Fake Henry is the leader.

And FYI, the creators did say in a recent episode that the finale would reveal the true status of Henry.

 

[Nigel]

It's probably in the thread somewhere, but was it ever determined why Hurley, Jack, Kate and Sawyer were the four the Others requested that Michael bring back with him?

 

[Dash]

It's probably in the thread somewhere, but was it ever determined why Hurley, Jack, Kate and Sawyer were the four the Others requested that Michael bring back with him?

No