**** OFFICIAL **** LOST - The TV Series (3 Viewers)

[Jaysus]

Umm... what was up with the other plane at the endof the episode?

Jaysus what are you talking about?

I'm pretty sure I saw another plane that started coming down after the credits rolled.

Well, I have some re-watching to do tonight.

Are you sure you aren't thinking about the "quarantine" hatch door that fell out of the sky?

I am in Pennsylvannia, it is a powerball state. After the weekly powerball drawing (which occoured while the credits were rolling) what appeared to be a wide angle view from the island appeared on the screen, just after that they showed what looked like pieces of a plane coming down.My wife was next to me (half sleeping at that point) she did not see it.

 

[ScottNorwood]

how do the others know all of their names, especially sawyers, who very few of the losties even know by real name?

Hurley knows everybody's real name because he had the list from the plane. Any chance Hurley is working with the Others somehow?

ZOMG u cant be serius

 

[BGP]

Henry

I believe someone earlier in the thread referred to Henry as a pawn.  He's certainly not a pawn, but more like a Knight (with Zeke/Tom and Ms. Klugh as Rooks, perhaps).  Think of him as the Division President, Island Operations, of the overarching conspiracy. Or, if the others are off-the-reservation so to speak, the leader of that faction. 

Its possible that Henry is the leader. But if it is so, then the show has become stupid. He is not a credible threat. The guy should be dead for his mistakes trying to infilrate the losties. He's a joke.

What mistakes did Henry make?If you accept that he purposely put himself in the trap - and if you don't accept this, please let me know why - he had enough of a cover story to assume that he would be accepted by the survivors. It was only Sayid's doggedness that uncovered it. The assumption that most people would see the balloon and gravesite and believe the story is a reasonable one in my opinion.

Was he running a risk? Absolutely. But note that he put himself into a trap fairly near the survivors. It was not a trap near Rousseau's camp, nor was it on the other side of the island.

Moreover, the others already had Michael and Walt to bargain with if push came to shove.

Seriously, what mistakes were made? How is Henry's credibilitiy lessened?

Obviusly he was trying to infiltrate the losties. He completely failed. He was exposed. And he was so awful at trying to talk his way out of the situation that Sayid tried to execute him. He accomplished absolutely nothing. He has no credibility and if he's the leader the show is a joke.

 

[CDoody]

Did anyone else notice at the end when the Others picked Jack, Kate and Sawyer up off the deck that the woman who picked up Kate grabbed her boobies first and then picked her up from under the arm?

Maybe that's why they didn't want Hurley. Planning a little love party later with the 3 musketeers.



Anyway, back to the originally scheduled discussion.

hurleys are bigger than kates

So, are you saying you would rather see Hurley's than Kate's?

 

[Homey]

how do the others know all of their names, especially sawyers, who very few of the losties even know by real name?

Hurley knows everybody's real name because he had the list from the plane. Any chance Hurley is working with the Others somehow?

The Others had a list of people/names for the Tailies on their first night on the island though.

 

[Dash]

Mr Widmore: "I've got it.. I've got these wacked out scientist working on a creepy island that I can lure Desmond to and make him think it was his idea to circumnavigate the globe. {insert evil genius laugh}"

He could have set the course for the race.

 

[(HULK)]

It's probably in the thread somewhere, but was it ever determined why Hurley, Jack, Kate and Sawyer were the four the Others requested that Michael bring back with him?

Nope but it's clear The Others want Jack, Kate and Sawyer for some purpose. Hurley appeared to just be someone added to the list so he could be used to warn everyone to not pursue The Others again. Jack, Kate and Sawyer are the keys. We also know Locke is important to The Others as well (he was the reason Henry wanted to infiltrate the Losties' camp).

This bothered me, as they previously had Kate in their possesion, and Locke (who they supposedly want also), Jack, and Sawyer surrounded.Why not take them then?

 

[shuke]

Henry

I believe someone earlier in the thread referred to Henry as a pawn.  He's certainly not a pawn, but more like a Knight (with Zeke/Tom and Ms. Klugh as Rooks, perhaps).  Think of him as the Division President, Island Operations, of the overarching conspiracy. Or, if the others are off-the-reservation so to speak, the leader of that faction. 

Its possible that Henry is the leader. But if it is so, then the show has become stupid. He is not a credible threat. The guy should be dead for his mistakes trying to infilrate the losties. He's a joke.

How do you know it's not the writers' intentions to make him a weak/vulnerable leader?

 

[stbugs]

Umm... what was up with the other plane at the endof the episode?

Jaysus what are you talking about?

I'm pretty sure I saw another plane that started coming down after the credits rolled.

Well, I have some re-watching to do tonight.

Are you sure you aren't thinking about the "quarantine" hatch door that fell out of the sky?

Not me. I remember the door and never saw another plane. Just wondering if there was something after the ruskies that I missed. I don't think so, but worth taking a couple minute look.Now miphin/kupcho made some interesting points that I like on the last page. First, I agree that Henry is the head honcho on the island but may still report to Hanso folks that are off-island or at least still deals with them. I also like the thought that maybe they went to the dock not just to see off Michael but that they were awaiting something else or at least that bigger ships/sea planes do make visits there. That dock was way too large for just the little boat and would Henry really give away there only mode of transportation?

 

[ScottNorwood]

Umm... what was up with the other plane at the endof the episode?

Jaysus what are you talking about?

I'm pretty sure I saw another plane that started coming down after the credits rolled.

Well, I have some re-watching to do tonight.

Are you sure you aren't thinking about the "quarantine" hatch door that fell out of the sky?

I am in Pennsylvannia, it is a powerball state. After the weekly powerball drawing (which occoured while the credits were rolling) what appeared to be a wide angle view from the island appeared on the screen, just after that they showed what looked like pieces of a plane coming down.My wife was next to me (half sleeping at that point) she did not see it.

Had you eaten any Acid or funny looking mushrooms before sitting down to watch the show?

 

[noneother]

Did anyone else notice at the end when the Others picked Jack, Kate and Sawyer up off the deck that the woman who picked up Kate grabbed her boobies first and then picked her up from under the arm?

Maybe that's why they didn't want Hurley. Planning a little love party later with the 3 musketeers.



Anyway, back to the originally scheduled discussion.

hurleys are bigger than kates

So, are you saying you would rather see Hurley's than Kate's?

god no, just observing more meat to grab by which to pick the big lug up

 

[RedRaiders]

how do the others know all of their names, especially sawyers, who very few of the losties even know by real name?

Hurley knows everybody's real name because he had the list from the plane. Any chance Hurley is working with the Others somehow?

The Others had a list of people/names for the Tailies on their first night on the island though.

Good point, they also had their "plant" all ready to go right after the crash.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Him = Penny's dad?

The island was not built to house Desmond since the tests were going on way before Desmond and the daughter were even thought of. 

Henry Gayle = Penny's dad? or the VP of the company?

Who is the real Henry Gayle and how did he end up on the island?  Why?

Him = Penny?

Fake Henry looks nothing like the guy in the car that Desmond spoke to, who we know is Mr. Widmore.Probably worth noting that the balloon the real Henry Gale flew(?) in had a large Widmore logo on it.

What is the Widmore logo? I thought the balloon had a happy face.

Sorry, I guess I could have been more clear. The literal balloon had a smiley face on it, but the capsule(?) that the real Henry Gale rode in had a Widmore logo on it. Here is a screen cap of it.

Ah, good catch.What if it's something like this... Mr. Widmore, for whatever reason, funded Hanso/Dharma as they made this island experiment. Then when Desmond got out of jail, he intentionally let Desmond find out about this "race" around the world, but it was really a setup to get him far away from his daughter.

Then, during the 2 years Desmond is on the island with Kelvin, Mr. Widmore dies and his daughter inherits all his money. She either uncovers her dad's plan (or knew about it all along) and with her dead father's resources uses Widmore hot air balloons and Widmore electromagnetic anomoly detectors to track down her long lost love.

My only problem with is that it's a pretty massive undertaking to keep a guy away from your daughter. Even for a wealthy person.Are you asserting that the whole island was a setup to get Desmond away from Penelope? Or are you saying the island and experiments were set up beforehand and that her father organized the race as a lure to get Desmond there?

If it's the latter, rather than the former I can see this as a possibility.

The latter. Mr Widmore: "I've got it.. I've got these wacked out scientist working on a creepy island that I can lure Desmond to and make him think it was his idea to circumnavigate the globe. {insert evil genius laugh}"

Didn't a storm cause Desmond to be on the island, though?

 

[shuke]

One other tidbit that I found confusing was that the others showed no emotion to when the electro magnet was destroyed. You would think that they would at least exchange curious glances, unless of course they knew it was going to happen. I think that they did eventually want that thing destroyed otherwise Henry would not have planted that seed in Locke's head.

I thought Henry looked rather pissed off about it.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Henry

I believe someone earlier in the thread referred to Henry as a pawn. He's certainly not a pawn, but more like a Knight (with Zeke/Tom and Ms. Klugh as Rooks, perhaps). Think of him as the Division President, Island Operations, of the overarching conspiracy. Or, if the others are off-the-reservation so to speak, the leader of that faction.

Its possible that Henry is the leader. But if it is so, then the show has become stupid. He is not a credible threat. The guy should be dead for his mistakes trying to infilrate the losties. He's a joke.

What mistakes did Henry make?If you accept that he purposely put himself in the trap - and if you don't accept this, please let me know why - he had enough of a cover story to assume that he would be accepted by the survivors. It was only Sayid's doggedness that uncovered it. The assumption that most people would see the balloon and gravesite and believe the story is a reasonable one in my opinion.

Was he running a risk? Absolutely. But note that he put himself into a trap fairly near the survivors. It was not a trap near Rousseau's camp, nor was it on the other side of the island.

Moreover, the others already had Michael and Walt to bargain with if push came to shove.

Seriously, what mistakes were made? How is Henry's credibilitiy lessened?

Obviusly he was trying to infiltrate the losties. He completely failed. He was exposed. And he was so awful at trying to talk his way out of the situation that Sayid tried to execute him. He accomplished absolutely nothing. He has no credibility and if he's the leader the show is a joke.

Why do you hate Henry so much?

 

[stbugs]

how do the others know all of their names, especially sawyers, who very few of the losties even know by real name?

Hurley knows everybody's real name because he had the list from the plane. Any chance Hurley is working with the Others somehow?

The Others had a list of people/names for the Tailies on their first night on the island though.

They got that because Goodwin infiltrated them right when they crashed. Ethan never got the chance to learn Sawyer's real name and I don't think there is another spy because we know Hurley was on the plane and everyone else checked with the manifest he had.I think the Others must have obtained the list of flight 815 passengers from someone off-island. Goodwin could have easily gotten the flight 815 info and then whoever their off-island contacts (Hanso folks) are probably got them more information.

It is also still possible that even though Desmond brought the plane, the Others may have instructed Kelvin to try and get Desmond to follow him out at that time knowing that flight 815 may crash. I still think this is not the case as it is hard to ensure that Jack lives during a plane crash instead of the Marshall.

 

[D-BO]

Don't know if this was mentioned.

What was up with that Snowman joke that both Locke & Kelvin asked Desmond? When Kelvin asked it, he preceded it with "Are you him?" , or something of that nature. Locke asked it as he approached Desmond in the beginning.

 

[(HULK)]

I don't know why I even came in here.  Don't you people just enjoy watching the show?  Why is it so important to try to "figure everything out"?

I couldn't disagree more. How many things have we actually figured out well in advance or predicted with 100% accuracy? Sure we have thrown out some #### that has stuck, but I would say that we have been surprised 90+%.All we are doing is discussing the show and potential theories, but for the most part we aren't figuring out ****.

Case in point, I argued endlessly that the plane crashed sometime between 2007 and 2011.Clearly, I was 100% wrong.

At least I don't have to dig up those links to what must've been prop errors anymore.

 

[(HULK)]

My thoughts on the Fake Gale being the leader are that he is not in fact the grand leader, kupcho1 hit on this as well.

I think Henry can be considered like a Captain on the island, where as Zeke and Ms Klugh can be considered Lt's. There are definitely some that are ranking above him, he is simply the combat zone leader.

 

[shuke]

The guy who calls Penny Widmore at the end?  

Jack's Twin?

It's Jack!  Or at least his T W I N....

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

What??

That does look like him. I didn't notice this last night.

No it doesn't.

 

[(HULK)]

Umm... what was up with the other plane at the endof the episode?

Jaysus what are you talking about?

I'm pretty sure I saw another plane that started coming down after the credits rolled.

After the two guys in a snowy shack part?

 

[Buckychudd]

Does it bother anyone that Michael murdered 2 people in cold-blood and walks away like nothing happened.  Not only that, but when the group found out he had killed them, their reaction was more akin to him having kicked a puppy instead of killing 2 people.  That is unforgiving of the writers.  Lost fans, say hello to Alias's fate.

Agreed, I'm surprised Sawyer didn't go after him there.

I was convinced that Hurley was going to grab a gun from an other and shoot Michael down on the boat.

 

[D-BO]

how do the others know all of their names, especially sawyers, who very few of the losties even know by real name?

Hurley knows everybody's real name because he had the list from the plane. Any chance Hurley is working with the Others somehow?

The Others had a list of people/names for the Tailies on their first night on the island though.

Good point, they also had their "plant" all ready to go right after the crash.

Maybe Hurley & Libby were/are both others. Someone mentioned the others not showing much emotion when one of theirs dies, maybe that's why Hurley didn't flatten Michael when he found out Michael killed Libby.

 

[stbugs]

Didn't a storm cause Desmond to be on the island, though?

Yes, yes and yes.

 

[(HULK)]

Did anyone else notice at the end when the Others picked Jack, Kate and Sawyer up off the deck that the woman who picked up Kate grabbed her boobies first and then picked her up from under the arm?

Maybe that's why they didn't want Hurley. Planning a little love party later with the 3 musketeers.



Anyway, back to the originally scheduled discussion.

Hurley is the most stacked person on the island though

 

[jplvr]

but for the most part we aren't figuring out ****.

I couldn't agree more and I believe this what makes those of us like "me and Smoo" go after reading through this thread at times.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

how do the others know all of their names, especially sawyers, who very few of the losties even know by real name?

Hurley knows everybody's real name because he had the list from the plane. Any chance Hurley is working with the Others somehow?

The Others had a list of people/names for the Tailies on their first night on the island though.

They got that because Goodwin infiltrated them right when they crashed. Ethan never got the chance to learn Sawyer's real name and I don't think there is another spy because we know Hurley was on the plane and everyone else checked with the manifest he had.I think the Others must have obtained the list of flight 815 passengers from someone off-island. Goodwin could have easily gotten the flight 815 info and then whoever their off-island contacts (Hanso folks) are probably got them more information.

It is also still possible that even though Desmond brought the plane, the Others may have instructed Kelvin to try and get Desmond to follow him out at that time knowing that flight 815 may crash. I still think this is not the case as it is hard to ensure that Jack lives during a plane crash instead of the Marshall.

Anyone remember if the Tailies list included first and last names? Did it say "Elizabeth" or "Libby"? What about "Mr. Ecko?" Seems possible that Goodwin just passed along the list by what people called themselves.

 

[stbugs]

Case in point, I argued endlessly that the plane crashed sometime between 2007 and 2011.

Clearly, I was 100% wrong.

At least I don't have to dig up those links to what must've been prop errors anymore.

I was going to post a note to you on that. When I heard September, 2004, I knew somewhere out there a tear was welling up in some big green guy's eye.

 

[CDoody]

Did anyone else notice at the end when the Others picked Jack, Kate and Sawyer up off the deck that the woman who picked up Kate grabbed her boobies first and then picked her up from under the arm?

Maybe that's why they didn't want Hurley. Planning a little love party later with the 3 musketeers.



Anyway, back to the originally scheduled discussion.

Hurley is the most stacked person on the island though

I've already gotten one no to this question, but I'll ask it again. Are you saying you would rather grab Hurley's than Kate's?Edit to add: NTTIAWWT

 

[aardball44]

The MOST believable mention of a higher up in the other's ranks is by Henry, period.

That's how I took the interrogation a few weeks ago, too.I think we get a new character next year more powerful than Henry.

Are we sure Kelvin is dead?

 

[stonegossard]

Now miphin/kupcho made some interesting points that I like on the last page. First, I agree that Henry is the head honcho on the island but may still report to Hanso folks that are off-island or at least still deals with them. I also like the thought that maybe they went to the dock not just to see off Michael but that they were awaiting something else or at least that bigger ships/sea planes do make visits there. That dock was way too large for just the little boat and would Henry really give away there only mode of transportation?

I'm still trying to decide whether Henry and his crew are WITH the Hanso/Dharma folks or are against them.

Henry said they were the good guys...so who are the bad guys?

 

[stbugs]

but for the most part we aren't figuring out ****.

I couldn't agree more and I believe this what makes those of us like "me and Smoo" go after reading through this thread at times.

But that is why we are enjoying it. I enjoy discussing the show Lost as much as discussing FF. What is the difference between discussing why they are on the island or why you think Portis will do better than Jordan? For the most part no one is correct because it is too hard to predict 100% otherwise it wouldn't be fun at all. Again, I see a direct correlation between Lost s discussing things about the show, mostly incorrect, and FF s discussing their rankings, mostly incorrect.

 

[shuke]

The confusing thing about the guy living in the dome is that he clearly is not in direct physical contact with the outside world and has not been for at least 20 years. The computer system is too old. He's replaying old vinyl records repeatedly. I'd date the technology in there to at least 1985.

But we saw him when he stepped out right at the end of the episode. Not one hair in his flowing mane was gray. Couldn't be older than his late 30s. I highly doubt he is dying his hair. So he was no older than a teenager when he first was there.

This brings up the possibility that a parent/mentor set up that lab, died or disappeared, leaving him in charge.

 

[stbugs]

how do the others know all of their names, especially sawyers, who very few of the losties even know by real name?

Hurley knows everybody's real name because he had the list from the plane. Any chance Hurley is working with the Others somehow?

The Others had a list of people/names for the Tailies on their first night on the island though.

They got that because Goodwin infiltrated them right when they crashed. Ethan never got the chance to learn Sawyer's real name and I don't think there is another spy because we know Hurley was on the plane and everyone else checked with the manifest he had.I think the Others must have obtained the list of flight 815 passengers from someone off-island. Goodwin could have easily gotten the flight 815 info and then whoever their off-island contacts (Hanso folks) are probably got them more information.

It is also still possible that even though Desmond brought the plane, the Others may have instructed Kelvin to try and get Desmond to follow him out at that time knowing that flight 815 may crash. I still think this is not the case as it is hard to ensure that Jack lives during a plane crash instead of the Marshall.

Anyone remember if the Tailies list included first and last names? Did it say "Elizabeth" or "Libby"? What about "Mr. Ecko?" Seems possible that Goodwin just passed along the list by what people called themselves.

I absolutely agree. I think the new list of 4 was different than that list because the Others at that point new about flight 815 and probably got more information about it. If the Others have some link to Hanso still or anyone off island, they would have inquired about flight 815 to see if those folks were of use in their experiments. Just a thought.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

The MOST believable mention of a higher up in the other's ranks is by Henry, period.

That's how I took the interrogation a few weeks ago, too.I think we get a new character next year more powerful than Henry.

Are we sure Kelvin is dead?

What about Kelvin's old partner (I forget his name)? Seems likely that guy is still alive, or never existed. Kelvin isn't the most reliable truthteller. A brown spot on the ceiling hardly proves that he blew his brains out.

 

[stbugs]

The confusing thing about the guy living in the dome is that he clearly is not in direct physical contact with the outside world and has not been for at least 20 years.  The computer system is too old.  He's replaying old vinyl records repeatedly.  I'd date the technology in there to at least 1985.

But we saw him when he stepped out right at the end of the episode.  Not one hair in his flowing mane was gray.  Couldn't be older than his late 30s.  I highly doubt he is dying his hair.  So he was no older than a teenager when he first was there. 

This brings up the possibility that a parent/mentor set up that lab, died or disappeared, leaving him in charge.

at "flowing mane." Who talks like that anymore?

 

[shuke]

but for the most part we aren't figuring out ****.

I couldn't agree more and I believe this what makes those of us like "me and Smoo" go after reading through this thread at times.

You see that washer and dryer plow into the magnet last night, though? How awesomely cool was that?

 

[stbugs]

The MOST believable mention of a higher up in the other's ranks is by Henry, period.

That's how I took the interrogation a few weeks ago, too.I think we get a new character next year more powerful than Henry.

Are we sure Kelvin is dead?

What about Kelvin's old partner (I forget his name)? Seems likely that guy is still alive, or never existed. Kelvin isn't the most reliable truthteller. A brown spot on the ceiling hardly proves that he blew his brains out.

I think both are dead. As someone mentioned earlier, if Kelvin was not dead (it was 1 year ago), then he would have grabbed the boat and left.Until Kelvin found Desmond, I think he was a company man and was religious about pressing the button. I think after he saw that Desmond had no ill affects at all to being exposed, he then set a plan to fix the boat and leave Desmond there to play with the button while he escaped. Because of that, I do think that his partner did kill himself.

 

[stbugs]

but for the most part we aren't figuring out ****.

I couldn't agree more and I believe this what makes those of us like "me and Smoo" go after reading through this thread at times.

You see that washer and dryer plow into the magnet last night, though? How awesomely cool was that?

 

[(HULK)]

Okay, I'm finally caught up with all the posting since last night.

Things that still need to be addressed.

What the heck that key did. Here are my thoughts. It was said that an electromagnetic charge was building up behind the concrete barrier for 108 minutes, and that entering the numbers released enough of it to prevent it from going critical. Okay, so, if you think about it like encefilitis (spelling)... basically, swelling builds up in someone's brain, and poking a little hole in the skull relieves this problem. My guess is that what happened was that after the timer ran down, the swelling was approaching critical mass... and turning the key destroyed the concrete containment. Which is probably what caused the hatch door to go flying off... kind of like the popping of a champagne cork. I suspect that the hatch, while being worse for wear, will still be there and that Eko, Locke, and Desmond all survive. This is reinforced by the leak that Desmond is a full time cast member next season. The more I think about it, the more I think that turning the key did nothing more than popping the top off of the containment of the EM field.

Second major question. So, these scientist discover this electromagnetic anomoly, and contain it to study it. Every 108 minutes a little of the EM build up must be released. So, why not automate a system to do it? Why the heck have someone input a random string of numbers to release it? That doesn't make any sense to me.

And finally... a giant green talking condor. WTF?!?!?!

4 toes is pretty out there too.

I think I'm back to thinking that the island is Atlantis. It is also quite possible that it is in some sort of extradimensional area, outside of the real world. Otherwise, it would be easy to find, easy to get to, and easy to leave.

Bottom line, I had high expectations for this episode, and I feel like it lived up to them.

 

[PC Load Letter]

My thoughts on the Fake Gale being the leader are that he is not in fact the grand leader, kupcho1 hit on this as well.

I think Henry can be considered like a Captain on the island, where as Zeke and Ms Klugh can be considered Lt's. There are definitely some that are ranking above him, he is simply the combat zone leader.

One piece of evidence that leads me to believe this, which no one has yet to recognize is the location of those scenes with the others.

At the end of a very long pier.

Why would they be way out there? to see Michael off? Doubtfully. The only reason to bring everyone way out there is because someone is arriving or someone is leaving. And since Michael took off in Gale's boat I think that the Others are awaiting the arrival of someone else......HIM maybe? via Sea Plane?

Or submarine! Don't forget we've seen a Dharma shark and there was a cable that led to the ocean. There could be an undersea hatch too.

 

[(HULK)]

The MOST believable mention of a higher up in the other's ranks is by Henry, period.

That's how I took the interrogation a few weeks ago, too.I think we get a new character next year more powerful than Henry.

Are we sure Kelvin is dead?

Sort of. Given this supposed healing power, it is entirely possible that he is alive.

 

[jestertj]

Am I all alone in thinking Henry might be doing this job?

Anger Management Director

The successful applicant will work with the Hanso Foundation's Public Relations department to rapidly and efficiently manage unforeseen human complications of the Foundation's work. Experience in human rights and environmental litigation is essential, as is a persuasive, open demeanor - previous experience in psychology and mediation are preferred. This is a highly rewarding but also high-stress position often dealing with rapid response and mission-critical variables - the successful applicant will report to officers in the Hanso Foundation's legal and Public Relations departments. Fluency in Korean and all regional dialects as well as comfort with sea-based travel will be required.

 

[(HULK)]

The confusing thing about the guy living in the dome is that he clearly is not in direct physical contact with the outside world and has not been for at least 20 years.  The computer system is too old.  He's replaying old vinyl records repeatedly.  I'd date the technology in there to at least 1985.

But we saw him when he stepped out right at the end of the episode.  Not one hair in his flowing mane was gray.  Couldn't be older than his late 30s.  I highly doubt he is dying his hair.  So he was no older than a teenager when he first was there. 

This brings up the possibility that a parent/mentor set up that lab, died or disappeared, leaving him in charge.

If you're gonna do this, I'm sure you can find worse.

 

[(HULK)]

The MOST believable mention of a higher up in the other's ranks is by Henry, period.

That's how I took the interrogation a few weeks ago, too.I think we get a new character next year more powerful than Henry.

Are we sure Kelvin is dead?

What about Kelvin's old partner (I forget his name)? Seems likely that guy is still alive, or never existed. Kelvin isn't the most reliable truthteller. A brown spot on the ceiling hardly proves that he blew his brains out.

I think both are dead. As someone mentioned earlier, if Kelvin was not dead (it was 1 year ago), then he would have grabbed the boat and left.Until Kelvin found Desmond, I think he was a company man and was religious about pressing the button. I think after he saw that Desmond had no ill affects at all to being exposed, he then set a plan to fix the boat and leave Desmond there to play with the button while he escaped. Because of that, I do think that his partner did kill himself.

It was 60 days ago, the day the plane crashed.

 

[caabeel]

I can't believe this thread has 160+ pages.....and I've read them all.

 

[PC Load Letter]

It's probably in the thread somewhere, but was it ever determined why Hurley, Jack, Kate and Sawyer were the four the Others requested that Michael bring back with him?

Nope but it's clear The Others want Jack, Kate and Sawyer for some purpose. Hurley appeared to just be someone added to the list so he could be used to warn everyone to not pursue The Others again. Jack, Kate and Sawyer are the keys. We also know Locke is important to The Others as well (he was the reason Henry wanted to infiltrate the Losties' camp).

This bothered me, as they previously had Kate in their possesion, and Locke (who they supposedly want also), Jack, and Sawyer surrounded.Why not take them then?

I dunno. The only time we've heard that the Others wanted Locke was when Henry told Locke "I was coming for you". BUT, as I mentioned before, this was the same speech where he said that he didn't push the button (which was obviously false - because the hatch didn't implode) and planted the seed that the button is useless.. Locke's purpose to the Others was to doubt his faith, and not push the button. Gale got exactly what he needed from Locke.

Now the only question is why.

 

[caabeel]

There was some discussion last week about what the 4 survivors had in common. Now we know the only reason they asked for Hurley was to send a message back.

So do we speculate again on what Jack, Kate and Sawyer have in common?

 

[ScottNorwood]

There was some discussion last week about what the 4 survivors had in common. Now we know the only reason they asked for Hurley was to send a message back.

So do we speculate again on what Jack, Kate and Sawyer have in common?

Sex appeal

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

There was some discussion last week about what the 4 survivors had in common. Now we know the only reason they asked for Hurley was to send a message back.

So do we speculate again on what Jack, Kate and Sawyer have in common?

But why did they specify Hurley to bring the message back? Seems like pretty much anyone could fulfill that role. Except Jin I guess.