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**** OFFICIAL Marvel's Avengers: Endgame **** SPOILERS ALLOWED! Enter at your own risk!!! (1 Viewer)

So is it alright to think the movie was just OK, or is this like the GOT thread where you get blasted if you dont love everything about it? 

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I'm with you. I was left wanting.

It all seemed so...straightforward. I thought the story and plot resolution would be more clever.

 
Saw it yesterday and really liked it.  Can't imagine going to see it again.  Again, no knock on the movie because it was very good.  But the first hour just dragged.  The humor was great.  I want to see a movie with just Antman, Rocket and fat Thor.  And seriously, the next GOTG movie better be called Asgardanians of the Galaxy and star Thor.

Was completely confused with Captain America and Thor's hammer.  Didn't understand that.  But, whatever.  I thought the scene in the battle where all the women came together was gratuitously necessary.  It just made no sense.  I think it's awesome that there are so many great women heroes in these movies, but when that all was happening did they tell the guys "Please don't help at this point, because we need it to just be women."  I think subtlety is very underrated these days.

I also didn't get Cap giving the shield to the black guy at the end.  Isn't that guy already a superhero?  Forget his name, but some kind of birdman.  Wasn't sure if this was a comic thing or if this is something they just decided to do for the movies.  Felt like it needed more explanation.

I'll miss Iron Man and Black Widow.  But not Cap.  Evans is such a D bag.  I remember seeing him back on Fallon's Late Show and I thought he was doing an act about being a D bag.  But nope.  That's his actual persona.  Haven't been able to take him seriously since.

 
Saw it yesterday and really liked it.  Can't imagine going to see it again.  Again, no knock on the movie because it was very good.  But the first hour just dragged.  The humor was great.  I want to see a movie with just Antman, Rocket and fat Thor.  And seriously, the next GOTG movie better be called Asgardanians of the Galaxy and star Thor.

Was completely confused with Captain America and Thor's hammer.  Didn't understand that.  But, whatever.  I thought the scene in the battle where all the women came together was gratuitously necessary.  It just made no sense.  I think it's awesome that there are so many great women heroes in these movies, but when that all was happening did they tell the guys "Please don't help at this point, because we need it to just be women."  I think subtlety is very underrated these days.

I also didn't get Cap giving the shield to the black guy at the end.  Isn't that guy already a superhero?  Forget his name, but some kind of birdman.  Wasn't sure if this was a comic thing or if this is something they just decided to do for the movies.  Felt like it needed more explanation.

I'll miss Iron Man and Black Widow.  But not Cap.  Evans is such a D bag.  I remember seeing him back on Fallon's Late Show and I thought he was doing an act about being a D bag.  But nope.  That's his actual persona.  Haven't been able to take him seriously since.
Thor's Hammer - people that are worthy can lift it. Cap is worthy. It's straight from the comics.

Grrl Power - I thought it was too "on the nose" as well when I watched it. Then I read the following and decided, well okay then...

During the final battle, there is a scene showcasing only the female MCU heroes. This is a reference to the A-Force, a team of all-female Avengers which appeared in Marvel Comics from 2015 to 2016. Some of the characters from the A-Force comics were featured in the scene, including Captain Marvel, Rescue (Pepper Potts) and Scarlet Witch.

Chris Evans - As he's become a bigger star, his character has definitely become less cool. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I'm with you. I was left wanting.

It all seemed so...straightforward. I thought the story and plot resolution would be more clever.
I love fan-service as much as the next guy, maybe even more so.  But there was 30 minutes that could have EASILY been cut from that movie.

I think a lot of what made it underwhelming was Thanos.  They did such a remarkable job with him in "Infinity War" there wasn't much room left for him to grow.

It was a good wrap-up to this phase of the MCU.  

 
NewlyRetired said:
this movie is just killing it overseas.

It is 9th domestically all time but should jump quite a bit in the coming week.  It will be interesting to see if it has the domestic legs to catch The Force Awakens which is a little over $300m ahead of it.
Pretty sure it will catch Force Awakens.  The next few weeks are quite devoid of any movies that will challenge it for ticket sales.  Then, end of the month you have Godzilla and Dark Phoenix the following weekend.  It should cruise over $1B dometically and $3B world wide without much issue.

I saw it over the weekend and it was o.k.  My youngest kid didn't love it either.  Of course, her favorite is Captain America AND she knew all the spoilers about the movie already, so I'd bet that factored in heavily. 

Movies with time line angles to me are always just cop outs.  There are dozens of open ended, unanswered questions that arise from time travel and I think it's just weak to use this as a convenient out.  They did an alright job trying to explain it all, but I'm not sold on it.  And I mean, Stark  is able to run a computer simulation to solve time travel in a matter of hours?  Right.  

I do like a lot of things Marvel does with these movies.  Like the kid at Starks funeral at the end, immediately upon exiting, my wife is on the internets to find out wtf that is.  Plenty of other little tidbits sprinkled throughout to spark conversations and build theories - I think that's super smart.  What I hate is the after credit scenes.  If there weren't 15 minutes worth of credits, fine, but ffs, once in a blue moon, drop one in there - wtf wants to read the rolling credits of the third crew of computer animators other than their family I guess.  Once the movie is over, I'm out and on youtube to see the scenes I 'missed'.  Anyhow, that's get off my lawn brought to you by guru_007

 
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I felt the farewells to Tony were a little too much.

-Pepper says good bye

-The funeral with everyone in attendance

-Happy and the Stark daughter.  

The third may have been the best - but we didn't need 3.  

 
I love fan-service as much as the next guy, maybe even more so.  But there was 30 minutes that could have EASILY been cut from that movie.

I think a lot of what made it underwhelming was Thanos.  They did such a remarkable job with him in "Infinity War" there wasn't much room left for him to grow.

It was a good wrap-up to this phase of the MCU.  
I came to the same conclusion. He was SO menacing in Infinity War. But he was just, I dunno, diminished in this one.

 
I'll miss Iron Man and Black Widow.  But not Cap.  Evans is such a D bag.  I remember seeing him back on Fallon's Late Show and I thought he was doing an act about being a D bag.  But nope.  That's his actual persona.  Haven't been able to take him seriously since.
So he's a real life Lucas Lee?

 
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I came to the same conclusion. He was SO menacing in Infinity War. But he was just, I dunno, diminished in this one.
The first Thanos in the movie is the retired and satisfied with a job well done Thanos,  so easy pickings for the Avengers to beat.

The second Thanos is prime time Thanos, which is the massive fight and even without stones, he is doing ok for himself until the stone powered super heroes come to demolish him.

 
The first Thanos in the movie is the retired and satisfied with a job well done Thanos,  so easy pickings for the Avengers to beat.

The second Thanos is prime time Thanos, which is the massive fight and even without stones, he is doing ok for himself until the stone powered super heroes come to demolish him.
That's not what I meant. I meant that, even as the powerful Thanos he just seems more generic in Endgame.

 
I also didn't get Cap giving the shield to the black guy at the end.  Isn't that guy already a superhero?  Forget his name, but some kind of birdman.  Wasn't sure if this was a comic thing or if this is something they just decided to do for the movies.  Felt like it needed more explanation.
The black guy is Sam Wilson, aka Falcon. Captain America is a symbol, not just a hero. In this movie, as in the comics, they feel Cap should go on even when Steve Rogers is no longer able to. In the comics, there have been a few different CAs. Bucky (the Winter Soldier) and Sam have both carried the shield in the comics. For the movies they decided to pass it to Sam because Bucky is tired of war and being in the world after the events of Civil War. He stepped up to fight Thanos, but I think he'd happily go back into retirement. So Sam will be CA now. 

 
Movies with time line angles to me are always just cop outs.  There are dozens of open ended, unanswered questions that arise from time travel and I think it's just weak to use this as a convenient out.  They did an alright job trying to explain it all, but I'm not sold on it.  And I mean, Stark  is able to run a computer simulation to solve time travel in a matter of hours?  Right.  
You're complaining about solving time travel in a movie series whereby six fictional stones, when put together, can kill half of the universe?  Odd shtick.

 
You're complaining about solving time travel in a movie series whereby six fictional stones, when put together, can kill half of the universe?  Odd shtick.
At least colored rocks is sort of unique.

Time travel is just kind of a tired trope. Especially in the pretty straightforward way is done in Endgame.

 
The black guy is Sam Wilson, aka Falcon. Captain America is a symbol, not just a hero. In this movie, as in the comics, they feel Cap should go on even when Steve Rogers is no longer able to. In the comics, there have been a few different CAs. Bucky (the Winter Soldier) and Sam have both carried the shield in the comics. For the movies they decided to pass it to Sam because Bucky is tired of war and being in the world after the events of Civil War. He stepped up to fight Thanos, but I think he'd happily go back into retirement. So Sam will be CA now. 
And that's what I figured.  But I feel like a lot of times the movies don't do a great job explaining what's happening.

 
Pretty darn interesting that they mention Mysterio (Jake G's character) is from another Dimension on Earth.

 
You're complaining about solving time travel in a movie series whereby six fictional stones, when put together, can kill half of the universe?  Odd shtick.
For me it's not complaining about "solving" time travel, just the fact that now there's all these different strands to try to keep in the duder's head, man. What happened in which timeline? Who is alive where? Just gets a little too confusing IMO.

Saw it yesterday and liked it on the whole, even if I have a few complaints. Could've made the ending a lot shorter but I get it, they're trying to wrap up 22 freaking movies at once.

 
Pretty darn interesting that they mention Mysterio (Jake G's character) is from another Dimension on Earth.
Mysterio, in the comics, uses illusions to make people believe something that isn't real is real.

I'd assume anything he says is a lie. 

 
Mysterio, in the comics, uses illusions to make people believe something that isn't real is real.

I'd assume anything he says is a lie. 
We've had similar conversations over in the MCU thread.  Wasn't sure if we wanted to clutter the Endgame thread with Far From Home discussions - even though they are related.  :shrug:

 
Pretty sure it will catch Force Awakens.  The next few weeks are quite devoid of any movies that will challenge it for ticket sales.  Then, end of the month you have Godzilla and Dark Phoenix the following weekend.  It should cruise over $1B dometically and $3B world wide without much issue.

I saw it over the weekend and it was o.k.  My youngest kid didn't love it either.  Of course, her favorite is Captain America AND she knew all the spoilers about the movie already, so I'd bet that factored in heavily. 

Movies with time line angles to me are always just cop outs.  There are dozens of open ended, unanswered questions that arise from time travel and I think it's just weak to use this as a convenient out.  They did an alright job trying to explain it all, but I'm not sold on it.  And I mean, Stark  is able to run a computer simulation to solve time travel in a matter of hours?  Right.  

I do like a lot of things Marvel does with these movies.  Like the kid at Starks funeral at the end, immediately upon exiting, my wife is on the internets to find out wtf that is.  Plenty of other little tidbits sprinkled throughout to spark conversations and build theories - I think that's super smart.  What I hate is the after credit scenes.  If there weren't 15 minutes worth of credits, fine, but ffs, once in a blue moon, drop one in there - wtf wants to read the rolling credits of the third crew of computer animators other than their family I guess.  Once the movie is over, I'm out and on youtube to see the scenes I 'missed'.  Anyhow, that's get off my lawn brought to you by guru_007
I watch the credits for every movie. It let's the experience sink in. Time to think about what we just watched. Time to stay in a place that isn't the real world flying at me. Gives every movie more time to breathe in the mind space before parking lots, cell phones, conversations, and radios break back in to your conscience. 

 
And that's what I figured.  But I feel like a lot of times the movies don't do a great job explaining what's happening.
The movies have done a great job explaining what's happening, for the most part. You said yourself, you haven't seen them all and you forget things. They can't really account for that in a movie that is a conclusion to 22 movies worth of stuff. 

Edit: sorry, thought you were the guy who said you've seen 60% of the movies. You get my point though. They aren't writing this stuff for people who forget things, they'd never get anywhere if they had to re-establish everything every movie. They aren't standalone. 

 
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The movies have done a great job explaining what's happening, for the most part. You said yourself, you haven't seen them all and you forget things. They can't really account for that in a movie that is a conclusion to 22 movies worth of stuff. 

Edit: sorry, thought you were the guy who said you've seen 60% of the movies. You get my point though. They aren't writing this stuff for people who forget things, they'd never get anywhere if they had to re-establish everything every movie. They aren't standalone. 
I understand what you're saying, but if you are going to end the movie on a scene that not everyone knows why is happening, that's odd.  I get it if you make small references throughout the movies.  But to end a 22 movie arc on scene that only the comic book readers would understand without context is just bad.

 
One other thing:  Everyone was so worried about spoilers.  Honestly, Black Widow was a surprise.  But the whole Iron Man thing felt like it was years in the making.  Not just from the movies, but I swear I've heard Downey do interviews where he talked about wanting to move on.  So it wasn't incredibly surprising that he was going to be the one to most likely die.  

 
I understand what you're saying, but if you are going to end the movie on a scene that not everyone knows why is happening, that's odd.  I get it if you make small references throughout the movies.  But to end a 22 movie arc on scene that only the comic book readers would understand without context is just bad.
And I would have loved the movie even more if he would have said to Cap, "Look.  Look at me.... I am the Captain now."

 
I understand what you're saying, but if you are going to end the movie on a scene that not everyone knows why is happening, that's odd.  I get it if you make small references throughout the movies.  But to end a 22 movie arc on scene that only the comic book readers would understand without context is just bad.
The movie goers got it too though because they watched the movies.  It's like jumping in to the return of the Jedi and wondering why the guy in the black mask is fighting the kid and then saves him two seconds later.

 
I understand what you're saying, but if you are going to end the movie on a scene that not everyone knows why is happening, that's odd.  I get it if you make small references throughout the movies.  But to end a 22 movie arc on scene that only the comic book readers would understand without context is just bad.
It wasn't just for the comic people. Falcon played a big role in the last two Cap films, was in the first Ant-Man movie and Infinity War. Not knowing him is kind of on you.

As far as passing on the shield what more context does one need? He passed the torch onto someone else, what wasn't obvious about that? Did we really need voice over exposition explaining what was happening?

The movie did more call backs than any film in history but that scene wasn't one of them.

 
I understand what you're saying, but if you are going to end the movie on a scene that not everyone knows why is happening, that's odd.  I get it if you make small references throughout the movies.  But to end a 22 movie arc on scene that only the comic book readers would understand without context is just bad.
Comic book readers? :lmao:  

 
I understand what you're saying, but if you are going to end the movie on a scene that not everyone knows why is happening, that's odd.  I get it if you make small references throughout the movies.  But to end a 22 movie arc on scene that only the comic book readers would understand without context is just bad.
I get what you are saying.  Captain America is represented as an iconic symbol of American history having fought in a World War.  So to simply pass the shield as if you are passing the mantle is a little weak.  

 
It wasn't just for the comic people. Falcon played a big role in the last two Cap films, was in the first Ant-Man movie and Infinity War. Not knowing him is kind of on you.

As far as passing on the shield what more context does one need? He passed the torch onto someone else, what wasn't obvious about that? Did we really need voice over exposition explaining what was happening?

The movie did more call backs than any film in history but that scene wasn't one of them.
I didn't say I didn't know who the black guy was.  I just said I couldn't remember his superhero name.  What I was saying was we didn't understand why Cap would hand his shield over to another superhero to become Captain America.  It would be like Batman handing off his utility belt to Superman.  

 
The movie goers got it too though because they watched the movies.  It's like jumping in to the return of the Jedi and wondering why the guy in the black mask is fighting the kid and then saves him two seconds later.
Where in the movies did it say that Captain America would eventually pass the torch to some other superhero?  :confused:

 

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