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Official MIA-TEN Game Thread (2 Viewers)
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Horses Mouth
Footballguy
that game blew for us MIA fans. 
mlwinokur
Footballguy
So why run the ball up the middle? Aren't you risking the possibility of a fumble? If you're gonna lay down and take the field goal, then do it!! You can either kick it on 3rd (you lose the time you would have run off the clock) or just take a knee, run the time off, and line up for the field goal. Why run the ball?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Note to self
o not expect blow outs against Miami this year. Good match up yes but the Miami offense is too inept to cause the opposing team to keep thier offense running on all cylinders.Use players against Miami when they have poor defense's unlike the Titans.This is in reference to me starting McNair over Brady this week. I mainly did it because McNair is more proven. But after seeing the results I now think it would have been a wiser decision to realise that NE needed more points than TEN did in this game and went with Brady. Hopefully the rest of my team is good enough to overcome the difference.Relearning. That is what week one is for.Edit to add that Minor looks to be a better option than Gordon was but they abandoned using him anyways which will probobly continue to happen.Why?Wanny is a idiot and they will try to play like they have before instead of adjusting thier scheme to thier personel. 
o not expect blow outs against Miami this year. Good match up yes but the Miami offense is too inept to cause the opposing team to keep thier offense running on all cylinders.Use players against Miami when they have poor defense's unlike the Titans.This is in reference to me starting McNair over Brady this week. I mainly did it because McNair is more proven. But after seeing the results I now think it would have been a wiser decision to realise that NE needed more points than TEN did in this game and went with Brady. Hopefully the rest of my team is good enough to overcome the difference.Relearning. That is what week one is for.Edit to add that Minor looks to be a better option than Gordon was but they abandoned using him anyways which will probobly continue to happen.Why?Wanny is a idiot and they will try to play like they have before instead of adjusting thier scheme to thier personel.
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Tong Po
Footballguy
jeez loueeze... he only sprained an ankle! tomlinson or ahman green could just as easily sprain an ankle on their 16th carry. give the guy a break. if he appears on the injury report consistantly throughout the season, then you can argue "he can't handle the workload"... isn't it a little early for that...? it's only 1 game!chill out people.
BigTuna
Footballguy
What did you expect? Pummeled by 2 hurricanes, qb controversy, loozer pothead runningback, new runningback thats been in town for all of 10 hours. They'll get better, but don't expect too much. I think playoffs might be too much to expect. They'll still cause havoc with that defense. They need some consistancy on the offensive side. It'll take that offense a few games to gel.that game blew for us MIA fans.
Kleck
Footballguy
Two reasons.1. Center the ball for your less than stable kicker situation. They were on the hash mark making it an awkward angle being so close.
2. Burn more time by keeping the clock moving. An incomplete pass would stop the clock.
Miami also had burned all their time outs. They made a choice. It worked out for them. They will probably do the same thing next time in the same situation as would almost every other NFL head coach.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
B/c you run time off the clock and also might be able to run the ball in - fumbles are def. a risk, but not anywhere near as bad as running little time off the clock by throwing and also risking an INT or costly sack - esp. since the passing game wasn't working well v. the Miami D and Smith had a couple of nice runs on the drive.Taking a knee is not an option- you LOSE yards when you do that - running the ball you maybe get a TD, more likely get a yard or a few yards, maintain your chip shot FG.It is not a "bad" decision to throw the ball there, but it is a much riskier one. The smarter football decision in a defensive contest like this one was is to run it and kick the FG - it also plays the higher percentage plays of better insuring you go up by three scores in a drive to the Miami 10 yard line.
Kleck
Footballguy
Good points Biak.Note to self
Mark Wimer
Moderator
In IDP leagues, Miami defenders should excel because the O is not strong -- meaning that the D will be on the field a good bit. I was surprised to see that the split was actually almost even in this one (29 minutes and change for the Dolphins, 30 minutes and change for the Titans). I think the Miami D will be on the field more time than the O in the majority of games this year, though. The Titans O got a wrench in the gears when Brown was held out in the second half.What did you expect? Pummeled by 2 hurricanes, qb controversy, loozer pothead runningback, new runningback thats been in town for all of 10 hours. They'll get better, but don't expect too much. I think playoffs might be too much to expect. They'll still cause havoc with that defense. They need some consistancy on the offensive side. It'll take that offense a few games to gel.that game blew for us MIA fans.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
At least Randy McMichael showed up. And I can never figure out why some QB's (Jay Fiedler cough cough) continue to get chances in the NFL when they clearly suck. I mean he REALLY sucks....bad. Like Scott Mitchell bad. I guess it all starts in college when guys like Chris Rix get 5 chances and blow it every time. Maybe Rix will get a shot with the Dolphins next year. One can only hope...
SuperGreen
Footballguy
you make this statement after a handful of carries for each, and when one of the guys is still living out of a hotel he's so new?VERY conclusive
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Bright spots for Miami fans and Miami FF player holders:McMichael looks to be integral in the game plan - esp. versus the tough Ds that Miami will be facing this year.Feely clearly more effective than Fiedler, but it was in a catch up effort, with numbers augmented by the Titans' prevent defense.The extensive use of Lamar "three days with the team" Gordon, and his not completely crappy numbers (60 total yards on 12 carries and 5 catches) gives a shot in the arm for those of us who went ahead and added him on Tues. night/Wed. a.m. as an RB4/5 - everyone thank the collective Shark Pool for that one!Despite giving up 180 on the ground, 70+ of those rush yards were on two plays (I know, I know). But, given that, the Dolphins' pass D sounds like it is still ferocious - two sacks on McNair, who only dropped back 18 times (2 sacks, 2 runs, 14 passes), are good numbers against McNair.Bright spots for the Titans:If you all stay healthy, you are a Super Bowl contendor and your defense. Next week is the test for the defense. If it holds up, you could be Bowl Bound.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
Music to my ears.And...which NFL team has official radio announcers that are NOT homers?
Big Score
Footballguy
I'm thinking the Miami WR's are in trouble this year. There were 44 pass attempts in this game. Of those 44 passes, it was a true split of 22 to the WR's and 22 to the TE & RB's.
Of the 3 picks by Tenn, 2 of them were on passes to the WR's. None of the passes were deep throws as the Miami O'line simply did not give the QB enough time to allow for the deep pass to develop. The Miami play calling adjusted for this as game went on, by changing the ratio of pass attempts to WR's down in favor of pass attempts to the TE & RB's instead.
In the 1st half the Miami WR's were targeted 10 times compared to 3 targets for the TE - RB's.
In the 2nd half the WR's were targeted 12 times compared with 19 targets for the TE - RB's.
And don't forget, Miami was down by 17 points with only 6 minutes and 40 seconds to go in the game, before their TE finally put some points on the board for them.
Miami needed to be scoring quick to get back in the game. Everyone knows that the way to score quickly, is through the air. Miami simply could not do that, considering how their O'line was doing it's best imitation of a sieve. Despite being down by 17 in the 4th Quarter, the passing targets to the TE & RB's went through the roof.
If you've got Booker or Chambers follow this closely. Booker or Chambers will have the occasional big game, but I think that will actually be the aberration and games like today will more than likely be the norm for them. If you can, I'd be looking to trade them. Don't get me wrong, both these guys are talented, it's just the team as a whole, is not and as the team goes, so will they.
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Of the 3 picks by Tenn, 2 of them were on passes to the WR's. None of the passes were deep throws as the Miami O'line simply did not give the QB enough time to allow for the deep pass to develop. The Miami play calling adjusted for this as game went on, by changing the ratio of pass attempts to WR's down in favor of pass attempts to the TE & RB's instead.
In the 1st half the Miami WR's were targeted 10 times compared to 3 targets for the TE - RB's.
In the 2nd half the WR's were targeted 12 times compared with 19 targets for the TE - RB's.
And don't forget, Miami was down by 17 points with only 6 minutes and 40 seconds to go in the game, before their TE finally put some points on the board for them.
Miami needed to be scoring quick to get back in the game. Everyone knows that the way to score quickly, is through the air. Miami simply could not do that, considering how their O'line was doing it's best imitation of a sieve. Despite being down by 17 in the 4th Quarter, the passing targets to the TE & RB's went through the roof.
If you've got Booker or Chambers follow this closely. Booker or Chambers will have the occasional big game, but I think that will actually be the aberration and games like today will more than likely be the norm for them. If you can, I'd be looking to trade them. Don't get me wrong, both these guys are talented, it's just the team as a whole, is not and as the team goes, so will they.
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taylorj99
Footballguy
A couple bright points from a Miami homer. 1) Feeley's completion rate was 67%! 2) Looks like Larry Chester might fulfill the potential he had when we signed him. 6 tackles, 1 ff. 3) Old ### Jay Williams may be a good stopgap for the departed Ogun. 4) Miami's redzone efficiency is 100%Also, there's some flawed logic around here. Just because Tennessee didn't need to score a lot to win, the object of the game is to move the ball. Don't discount Miami's D, Tennessee punted 6 times, was sacked twice, and fumbled 4 times. Miami may not have a lot of offense, but Tennesse was in the redzone 3 times and only got one TD.
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ianfitzy
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Feely had a completion percantage of 67% because most of the 2nd half the Titans were playing a dime/prevent defense andwere letting Feeley throw to whomever he wanted to as long as it ran time out.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Not just cause I'm a phin phan, but I agree with a lot of stuff here.The Miami D sounds like it is still pretty darned tough, despite being ayear older, and I look for big things from Chester Tayloir this year.Feely at 67% is a big "whatever" when the points regarding the WR v. TE/RB splits are considered and the fact that the Titans were in prevent mode for almost all of the fourth q. That said, it is clear that Feely was more efficient moving the team and I expect he will be named the starter and allowed to learn in gametime situations much sooner than I had anticipated.The big + for th phins was th eplay of Gordon, IMO - three days with the team and he got 12 carries and 5 receptions. I think he will be a good play as a flex player versus weaker defenses.
Big Score
Footballguy
I find it interesting you now say this Marc. This is exactly what I told you was going to happen six(6) days ago in the M. Booker, Steal or bust? thread. Even to the point of the tough D's Miami would be facing. Yet just six(6) short days ago you were saying this:
Holy six(6) day flip flop Batman!
But at least you're seeing the light now.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Ha! LOL - you were correct, Big Score and I was wrong.That doesn't mean I flip-flopped - it is not flip-flopping to agree with facts as presented - when we discussed this six days ago, I figured Booker would be th emain option against tough Ds, while McMichael would be relegated to third option - it is clear that versuis this tough defense, the Dolphin game-plan was to hit McMichael underneath instead of Booker.I find it interesting you now say this Marc. This is exactly what I told you was going to happen six(6) days ago in the M. Booker, Steal or bust? thread. Even to the point of the tough D's Miami would be facing. Yet just six(6) short days ago you were saying this:Holy six(6) day flip flop Batman!
Intelligent people alter their outlook when faced with a different set of facts than anticipated - changing positions for NO reason is flip-flopping.
Big Score
Footballguy
Marc,Miami will be going up against a bunch of tough D's for most of the year to be honest. Just trying to gage your thoughts on McMicheal from here on out.
It really wasn't about a who's right who's wrong post. Sorry if it came across that way.
And you're right it really wasn't a flip flop. You had to...for this game anyway.
I really am curious to hear your thoughts on McMicheal for the rest of the year though.
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm not a Chambers owner, but I do believe he's going to be better in the weeks to come. That said, if you're in a 1 pt/reception league, I don't see how you can argue with the 6 passes he caught. Sure the yardage was poor and 0 TDs, but he was targeted a ton as expected and if he catches 5+ passes a game, he's going to end up with a pretty good season in my opinion. It's far too soon to worry about Chambers.well even with as bad a game Chambers had today, my opponent had mcnair so I still came out of the game leading him by one point!
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I like him in pt/rec leagues, but I think he'll be inconsistent in yardage/TD leagues.I don;t think the performance today was "sign o' the times" - I think it was forced by the heads up play of that Tenn. secondary.Versus good CBs, McMichael and the RBs might be huge, but once the staff starts Feely, look for th eWRs to be moreinvolved and for McNMichael to be targetted in the 4-6 range. The Tenn. LBs coverage on McMichael sounds piss-popor, anmd they lost a LB in this game, IIRC. Against Ds with good cover LBs (read: Buffalo and New England - and Baltimore who the phins play), McMichael may struggle a bit more.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Agreed:
LivinNsc
Footballguy
Its funny how we can go from this....to this: Marc LevinNote to self:
Do not expect blow outs against Miami this year. Good match up yes but the Miami offense is too inept to cause the opposing team to keep thier offense running on all cylinders.
Use players against Miami when they have poor defense's unlike the Titans.
This is in reference to me starting McNair over Brady this week. I mainly did it because McNair is more proven. But after seeing the results I now think it would have been a wiser decision to realise that NE needed more points than TEN did in this game and went with Brady. Hopefully the rest of my team is good enough to overcome the difference.
Relearning. That is what week one is for.
Edit to add that Minor looks to be a better option than Gordon was but they abandoned using him anyways which will probobly continue to happen.
Why?
Wanny is a idiot and they will try to play like they have before instead of adjusting thier scheme to thier personel.
I have to think though that the most LOGICAL conclusion is NOT TO MAKE ONE. If anything you can't see Gordon's performance as a negative. Even looking at Minor's limited success you can say that the future looks bright for Gordon once he has the same familiarty with the system that Minor currently enjoys. For a guy to basically step off the plane, say "Hi.", and then step on to the field and put up any kind of positive numbers has to be viewed AT WORST as insufficient evidence to make a judgemnt...and AT BEST a very positive display of raw talent and ability to pick things up quickly. Yeah, I am an owner of Gordon and sure there may be some bias in my evaluation, but to think that Gordon can't do any better than what he displayed on ZERO practice and maybe 2 days of reading the game plan seems absolutely foolish.Edited for typo
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I onviously agree since that was my main point.72 hours with the team and he's on the field for 12 runs and 5 CATCHES - the catches was the more impressive thing since new RBs tend to need some time to get involved in even the most simple of passing games.Its funny how we can go from this....to this: Marc LevinNote to self:
Do not expect blow outs against Miami this year. Good match up yes but the Miami offense is too inept to cause the opposing team to keep thier offense running on all cylinders.
Use players against Miami when they have poor defense's unlike the Titans.
This is in reference to me starting McNair over Brady this week. I mainly did it because McNair is more proven. But after seeing the results I now think it would have been a wiser decision to realise that NE needed more points than TEN did in this game and went with Brady. Hopefully the rest of my team is good enough to overcome the difference.
Relearning. That is what week one is for.
Edit to add that Minor looks to be a better option than Gordon was but they abandoned using him anyways which will probobly continue to happen.
Why?
Wanny is a idiot and they will try to play like they have before instead of adjusting thier scheme to thier personel.
I have to think though that the most LOGICAL conclusion is NOT TO MAKE ONE. If anything you can't see Gordon's performance as a negative. Even looking at Minor's limited success you can say that the future looks bright for Gordon once he has the same familiarty with the system that Minor currently enjoys. For a guy to basically step off the plane, say "Hi.", and then step on to the field and put up any kind of positive numbers has to be viewed AT WORST as insufficient evidence to make a judgemnt...and AT BEST a very positive display of raw talent and ability to pick things up quickly. Yeah, I am an owner of Gordon and sure there may be some bias in my evaluation, but to think that Gordon can't do any better than what he displayed on ZERO practice and maybe 2 days of reading the game plan seems absolutely foolish.Edited for typo
At worst, it shows that Wannie wants to play with his new toy - a LOT
At best, it shows a player able to do SOMEthing on a really crappy offense when there is nothing there - red zone opps for the phins RBs? WHO KNOWS?? I suspect it'll be mostly Gordon territory when they are in close, if they ever get in close, in the normal flow of a game (instead of late in the fourth for their first trip there).
Either way, it calls for the big thumbs up for anyone able to add him cheaply or as a bottom of the bench RB4/5 player like I did in three leagues. And the use of Gordon in the game is telling for FF players who either own, or are interested in acquiring, Gordon.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Ehem!homerI just started Plummer over McNair.Yes, I did.
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