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*** Official Michael Turner 2007 offseason thread *** (1 Viewer)

I've been following the M. Turner sweepstakes and it occures to me that DEN needs a RB, as in big time.

This deal with Turner being tendered for a first and third rounder leads me to believe that he's untouchable, at least that's the standard line.

But, here's where the extra third rounder that DEN has comes into play: Turner is guaranteed a minimum of $2.85 M for '07 due to the tender offer. SDC is able to match, depends on the offers structure and length. So far, so good.

What keeps DEN from spending their first rounder, spending one of their third round choices and and increasing the anti-up on a real deal for Turner?

Basically, it costs DEN a first rounder for Turner.....and their "extra" third round choice. A first rounder for Turner isn't all that bad of a deal: a low milage, high reward RB.

Play this off against moving up with the third rounder to get Lynch, moving into the top 15 choices would probably do it....right ahead of GBP.

DEN is placing them selves into finding/needing a top line RB and it's gonna be interesting to see how it unfolds.
As much as I would like this to happen, it is completely unprecedented.
 
Denver has no chance at getting Turner this year. They've got far less cap room than SD has, so even if they do sign him to a contract that they can fit under their own cap, SD can easily match it. That's the worst case for fantasy owners of Turner, 'cause then he's under contract to the Chargers for the long haul.

 
Denver has no chance at getting Turner this year. They\'ve got far less cap room than SD has, so even if they do sign him to a contract that they can fit under their own cap, SD can easily match it. That\'s the worst case for fantasy owners of Turner, \'cause then he\'s under contract to the Chargers for the long haul.
The Chargers wouldnt pay Turner starter money for a backup role even if it meant Turner would go to a division foe. The Chargers dont have as much cap room anymore after tendering Turner 2 million, and signing Shaun Phillps and Lorenzo Neil to long term deals . They are not going to blow what small flexibility they still have to spite the Broncos if they are getting a couple of first day draft picks in return.
 
What has Turner done to make people think he's worth a 1st and 3rd?

Late round RBs performing well in the Denver system is one of Shanahan's little bragging rights. His ego would never allow that kind of price tag being assigned toward that position.

He still has Mike Bell and the 4th rounder that they'll most likely take in this year's draft.

 
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All denver needs is a big durable back. They couldnt roll with Tatum because 1) he fumbled too much and 2) he is small

 
What has Turner done to make people think he's worth a 1st and 3rd? Late round RBs performing well in the Denver system is one of Shanahan's little bragging rights. His ego would never allow that kind of price tag being assigned toward that position.He still has Mike Bell and the 4th rounder that they'll most likely take in this year's draft.
The numbers may lie...watching him run doesn't. He is an elite talent.
 
Denver has no chance at getting Turner this year. They've got far less cap room than SD has, so even if they do sign him to a contract that they can fit under their own cap, SD can easily match it. That's the worst case for fantasy owners of Turner, 'cause then he's under contract to the Chargers for the long haul.
There is no way the Chargers could match if the Broncos don't want them to. The Broncos would offer a $95,000,000 bonus if Turner plays more than two home games in San Diego county during any given season, and the Chargers are financially incapable of matching that offer.
 
What makes more sense is to sign Jamal Lewis or Ahman Green to a 1-2 year deal and bring in Turner no restrictions as your starter next year if Turner is the direction you want to go.

 
While I would love to see Turner go to Denver (as I have him on my roster), I really don't see this happening.

The one thing I think you are forgetting is Mike Shanahans ego ... err ... confidence in his system. He firmly believes that he can draft a RB anywhere in the draft, regardless of round, and that RB will work fine. Denver has had major success doing this for years.

The RB position has not been a weak spot for Denver for awhile.

Now true, I like to think that Turner would be better than any RB he could get in this years draft, but why give a 1st and a 3rd (even if it is an extra one), when you can use just one of your 3rds and get a RB that will produce 1,200 in your system? (Shanahans thinking)

JMO

:lmao:

 
My initial reaction is that there is NO WAY San Diego would trade Turner to a division rival. No matter how sweet of a deal they could get. But I guess you never say never.

 
You don't supply the team to beat in your division with 2 extra picks, Denver use a plug and play system for RBs and they have other holes to fill.

nuff said

 
My initial reaction is that there is NO WAY San Diego would trade Turner to a division rival. No matter how sweet of a deal they could get. But I guess you never say never.
They'd have no choice if Denver's willing to give up a first and third.
Oh wait, good point--I should probably fully wake up before posting next time. Wow, that actually gives Denver extra incentive to step up. You make yourself better and a division rival worse all at the same time.
 
As others FINALLY said -- won't ever happen, as they would never trade Turner to a division foe...
If Denver and Turner come to a contract agreement and Denver's willing to give a first and third, San Diego's prety much powerless to stop it. You can get a RFA without having to trade for him, just be willing to pay the draft pick compensation.
 
The one thing I think you are forgetting is Mike Shanahans ego ... err ... confidence in his system. He firmly believes that he can draft a RB anywhere in the draft, regardless of round, and that RB will work fine. Denver has had major success doing this for years.The RB position has not been a weak spot for Denver for awhile.
True, that method has worked in most previous years, but times may have changed effective last year.I'm not saying they'll go after Turner, as I agree the price it's probably too steep, but Shanahan may be looking for more than a potential late-round gem.
 
Denver has no chance at getting Turner this year. They've got far less cap room than SD has, so even if they do sign him to a contract that they can fit under their own cap, SD can easily match it. That's the worst case for fantasy owners of Turner, 'cause then he's under contract to the Chargers for the long haul.
There is no way the Chargers could match if the Broncos don't want them to. The Broncos would offer a $95,000,000 bonus if Turner plays more than two home games in San Diego county during any given season, and the Chargers are financially incapable of matching that offer.
LOL, I don't think that one would be allowed. Imagine some devastating storm that made all stadiums within a SD throw obsolete so the league ruled that denver had to play their home games in SD :rolleyes:
 
My initial reaction is that there is NO WAY San Diego would trade Turner to a division rival. No matter how sweet of a deal they could get. But I guess you never say never.
They'd have no choice if Denver's willing to give up a first and third.
Oh wait, good point--I should probably fully wake up before posting next time. Wow, that actually gives Denver extra incentive to step up. You make yourself better and a division rival worse all at the same time.
Denver would be giving SD a 1st and 3rd round pick so it isn't exactly hurting SD as Turner is their backup.
 
MDT,

The 3rd awarded to them as compensation can not be traded according to the rules. They can trade their own 3rd and still have that one but....just to be clear

 
Only a truly elite player would be worth a first, a third, and the contract it would cost to sign him away. Turner looks good, but he's not worth this much.

 
What has Turner done to make people think he's worth a 1st and 3rd?

Late round RBs performing well in the Denver system is one of Shanahan's little bragging rights. His ego would never allow that kind of price tag being assigned toward that position.

He still has Mike Bell and the 4th rounder that they'll most likely take in this year's draft.
The numbers may lie...watching him run doesn't. He is an elite talent.
I wouldn't go so far as to say elite by any stretch.
What has Turner done to make people think he's worth a 1st and 3rd?
He has run really good. I don't know if he's worth a first and third, but he's one of the best pure runners in the league, IMO.
Not sure if any RB is worth a first and a third, especially not to Denver. Turner has looked good but it is still speculation that he can handle the majority of the load. There's been quite a few RBs that have looked good in spot duty that somehow don't make the translation to starter on another team.
 
A.J. Smith said:
I've been following the M. Turner sweepstakes and it occures to me that DEN needs a RB, as in big time.
Yes, you are indeed correct. However, Turner to Denver will NEVER happen. My sources out of Denver tell me that they have tried to contact San Diego regarding Turner but have been rebuffed on several occassions. No surprise there. Look for a back from the NFC to be headed to Denver, ie. Thomas Jones, Ahman Green. My sources still say a Thomas Jones deal is in the works but has been tabled pending what happens with Ahman Green. I'll keep my ears on it.
You have an ear fetish.
 
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Since when is Michael Turner worth so much? I'll admit, the guy looks pretty good behind the best in the business, but since when he has proven himself worth a 1st + 3rd + a big salary? It's the same thing we saw last year with Schaub in Atlanta. Everybody wants the guy, but no one is willing to pay an insane price to get him. And SD is more than content to pay him $2mil or whatever it is to backup for another year. Why would SD be inclined to move him unless they got some bigtime compensation? It doesn't make sense.

 
A.J. Smith said:
Yes, you are indeed correct. However, Turner to Denver will NEVER happen. My sources out of Denver tell me that they have tried to contact San Diego regarding Turner but have been rebuffed on several occassions. No surprise there. Look for a back from the NFC to be headed to Denver, ie. Thomas Jones, Ahman Green. My sources still say a Thomas Jones deal is in the works but has been tabled pending what happens with Ahman Green. I'll keep my ears on it.
So Denver is interested but unwilling to part with the first and third?I doubt he goes anywhere, especially in the AFC West, but I can hope.

 
Why the heck does this thread have 30 posts? This pure speculation should be in one of the other 100 Turner threads.

 
A.J. Smith said:
Yes, you are indeed correct. However, Turner to Denver will NEVER happen. My sources out of Denver tell me that they have tried to contact San Diego regarding Turner but have been rebuffed on several occassions. No surprise there. Look for a back from the NFC to be headed to Denver, ie. Thomas Jones, Ahman Green. My sources still say a Thomas Jones deal is in the works but has been tabled pending what happens with Ahman Green. I'll keep my ears on it.
So Denver is interested but unwilling to part with the first and third?I doubt he goes anywhere, especially in the AFC West, but I can hope.
Quit feeding the insanity. This guy is obviously having fun pulling everyone's chain around here.
 
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Only a truly elite player would be worth a first, a third, and the contract it would cost to sign him away. Turner looks good, but he's not worth this much.
Exactly. No one was willing to give up a 1st for Edge or SA plus what it took to pay them and those were established and proven top RB's. Why would anyone give up a 1st & a 3rd plus that new expensive contract? He's likely going to be commanding at least what Lamont Jordan got (27.5M over 5 years) and that was 2 years ago before the salary cap was renegotiated. That's going to put his contract somewhere well north of the 5 year 30M range (Edge got 30M over 4 years this time last year.)
 
From the Buffalo Bills blogger Chris Brown:

March 20, 2007 Posted By: Chris Brown | Time: 10:11 PM ET | Link NFL GRAPEVINE PRICE FOR TURNER: In talking to some people around the league I'm hearing that Chargers RFA RB Michael Turner could be had for a high second round pick. That obviously limits the number of teams that could make a play for Turner to those at or near the top of the second round this year, if that is the true asking price. I suppose if a team that wasn't at the top of the second round was desperate enough they could offer a first. It wouldn't surprise me if teams that are interested try to wait it out though. San Diego GM A.J. Smith would obviously love to get value this year for a player that will likely be out the door for nothing next year. The longer he waits the less he will likely get in return for Turner. Of course if just one team can't land the RB they want in the draft he could get lucky and name his price.While some teams might like the talent that Turner brings, there is the other deterrent of signing him to a lucrative long term deal. I don't know if I'd give up a first for him, but I'd have to strongly consider giving up a 2nd if that's indeed all it would take. Again it's just rumblings I'm hearing. Nothing definitive. We'll have to see if Turner talk heats up around the league. Stay tuned.
If I'm the Bills, I'm all over this like white on rice if this is true.
 
From the Buffalo Bills blogger Chris Brown:

March 20, 2007 Posted By: Chris Brown | Time: 10:11 PM ET | Link NFL GRAPEVINE PRICE FOR TURNER: In talking to some people around the league I'm hearing that Chargers RFA RB Michael Turner could be had for a high second round pick. That obviously limits the number of teams that could make a play for Turner to those at or near the top of the second round this year, if that is the true asking price. I suppose if a team that wasn't at the top of the second round was desperate enough they could offer a first. It wouldn't surprise me if teams that are interested try to wait it out though. San Diego GM A.J. Smith would obviously love to get value this year for a player that will likely be out the door for nothing next year. The longer he waits the less he will likely get in return for Turner. Of course if just one team can't land the RB they want in the draft he could get lucky and name his price.While some teams might like the talent that Turner brings, there is the other deterrent of signing him to a lucrative long term deal. I don't know if I'd give up a first for him, but I'd have to strongly consider giving up a 2nd if that's indeed all it would take. Again it's just rumblings I'm hearing. Nothing definitive. We'll have to see if Turner talk heats up around the league. Stay tuned.
If I'm the Bills, I'm all over this like white on rice if this is true.
If this is truly the case, why give Turner the high tender (1st and 3rd) if you are SD. A simple 1st round tender would be sufficient. Less money and cap hit.
 
From the Buffalo Bills blogger Chris Brown:

March 20, 2007 Posted By: Chris Brown | Time: 10:11 PM ET | Link NFL GRAPEVINE PRICE FOR TURNER: In talking to some people around the league I'm hearing that Chargers RFA RB Michael Turner could be had for a high second round pick. That obviously limits the number of teams that could make a play for Turner to those at or near the top of the second round this year, if that is the true asking price. I suppose if a team that wasn't at the top of the second round was desperate enough they could offer a first. It wouldn't surprise me if teams that are interested try to wait it out though. San Diego GM A.J. Smith would obviously love to get value this year for a player that will likely be out the door for nothing next year. The longer he waits the less he will likely get in return for Turner. Of course if just one team can't land the RB they want in the draft he could get lucky and name his price.While some teams might like the talent that Turner brings, there is the other deterrent of signing him to a lucrative long term deal. I don't know if I'd give up a first for him, but I'd have to strongly consider giving up a 2nd if that's indeed all it would take. Again it's just rumblings I'm hearing. Nothing definitive. We'll have to see if Turner talk heats up around the league. Stay tuned.
If I'm the Bills, I'm all over this like white on rice if this is true.
If this is truly the case, why give Turner the high tender (1st and 3rd) if you are SD. A simple 1st round tender would be sufficient. Less money and cap hit.
My guess would be that by giving him the highest tender it makes it less likely that he will end up some place that the Chargers don't want him (Denver).
 
The Bills RB situation isn't getting the attention it deserves, IMO. Even though there are some teams that obviously need to shore things up still (Cleveland, Houston, Tennessee) in terms of depth or youth, it seems to me that Buffalo is the only team out there without a single starter-quality RB on the roster.

 
The Bills RB situation isn't getting the attention it deserves, IMO. Even though there are some teams that obviously need to shore things up still (Cleveland, Houston, Tennessee) in terms of depth or youth, it seems to me that Buffalo is the only team out there without a single starter-quality RB on the roster.
Green Bay
 
From the Buffalo Bills blogger Chris Brown:

March 20, 2007 Posted By: Chris Brown | Time: 10:11 PM ET | Link NFL GRAPEVINE PRICE FOR TURNER: In talking to some people around the league I'm hearing that Chargers RFA RB Michael Turner could be had for a high second round pick. That obviously limits the number of teams that could make a play for Turner to those at or near the top of the second round this year, if that is the true asking price. I suppose if a team that wasn't at the top of the second round was desperate enough they could offer a first. It wouldn't surprise me if teams that are interested try to wait it out though. San Diego GM A.J. Smith would obviously love to get value this year for a player that will likely be out the door for nothing next year. The longer he waits the less he will likely get in return for Turner. Of course if just one team can't land the RB they want in the draft he could get lucky and name his price.While some teams might like the talent that Turner brings, there is the other deterrent of signing him to a lucrative long term deal. I don't know if I'd give up a first for him, but I'd have to strongly consider giving up a 2nd if that's indeed all it would take. Again it's just rumblings I'm hearing. Nothing definitive. We'll have to see if Turner talk heats up around the league. Stay tuned.
If I'm the Bills, I'm all over this like white on rice if this is true.
If this is truly the case, why give Turner the high tender (1st and 3rd) if you are SD. A simple 1st round tender would be sufficient. Less money and cap hit.
That and it drives up the price in a trade.The meager return guys like McGahee and TJones got in trades might make the 2nd seem pretty reasonable to the Chargers.
 
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From the Buffalo Bills blogger Chris Brown:

March 20, 2007 Posted By: Chris Brown | Time: 10:11 PM ET | Link NFL GRAPEVINE PRICE FOR TURNER: In talking to some people around the league I'm hearing that Chargers RFA RB Michael Turner could be had for a high second round pick. That obviously limits the number of teams that could make a play for Turner to those at or near the top of the second round this year, if that is the true asking price. I suppose if a team that wasn't at the top of the second round was desperate enough they could offer a first. It wouldn't surprise me if teams that are interested try to wait it out though. San Diego GM A.J. Smith would obviously love to get value this year for a player that will likely be out the door for nothing next year. The longer he waits the less he will likely get in return for Turner. Of course if just one team can't land the RB they want in the draft he could get lucky and name his price.While some teams might like the talent that Turner brings, there is the other deterrent of signing him to a lucrative long term deal. I don't know if I'd give up a first for him, but I'd have to strongly consider giving up a 2nd if that's indeed all it would take. Again it's just rumblings I'm hearing. Nothing definitive. We'll have to see if Turner talk heats up around the league. Stay tuned.
If I'm the Bills, I'm all over this like white on rice if this is true.
If this is truly the case, why give Turner the high tender (1st and 3rd) if you are SD. A simple 1st round tender would be sufficient. Less money and cap hit.
My guess would be that by giving him the highest tender it makes it less likely that he will end up some place that the Chargers don't want him (Denver).
Exactly, as we've discussed over the past several weeks. By placing the highest tender, it scares off virtually all teams, and the Chargers can better dictate where he goes. And if no one budges, they have a well-paid backup, but with tremendous insurance value for LT this year.
 
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The Bills RB situation isn't getting the attention it deserves, IMO. Even though there are some teams that obviously need to shore things up still (Cleveland, Houston, Tennessee) in terms of depth or youth, it seems to me that Buffalo is the only team out there without a single starter-quality RB on the roster.
I'll say right now that I would be disappointed, but not shocked, if the Bills were to go into the regular season with essentially the RBs that they have right now. They would then use Anthony Thomas and Fred Jackson in a rotation with a little Shaud Williams thrown in. There have been several comments now on the Bills website about how Fred Jackson has put on like 10-15 pounds of muscle and how big he looks right now after tearing it up in NFLE. I just have this feeling that it's not just Chris Brown being an independent blogger, it's Brown preparing Bills fans if the Bills don't get exactly who they want in the draft (or by trade).
 
From the Buffalo Bills blogger Chris Brown:

March 20, 2007 Posted By: Chris Brown | Time: 10:11 PM ET | Link NFL GRAPEVINE PRICE FOR TURNER: In talking to some people around the league I'm hearing that Chargers RFA RB Michael Turner could be had for a high second round pick. That obviously limits the number of teams that could make a play for Turner to those at or near the top of the second round this year, if that is the true asking price. I suppose if a team that wasn't at the top of the second round was desperate enough they could offer a first. It wouldn't surprise me if teams that are interested try to wait it out though. San Diego GM A.J. Smith would obviously love to get value this year for a player that will likely be out the door for nothing next year. The longer he waits the less he will likely get in return for Turner. Of course if just one team can't land the RB they want in the draft he could get lucky and name his price.While some teams might like the talent that Turner brings, there is the other deterrent of signing him to a lucrative long term deal. I don't know if I'd give up a first for him, but I'd have to strongly consider giving up a 2nd if that's indeed all it would take. Again it's just rumblings I'm hearing. Nothing definitive. We'll have to see if Turner talk heats up around the league. Stay tuned.
If I'm the Bills, I'm all over this like white on rice if this is true.
If this is truly the case, why give Turner the high tender (1st and 3rd) if you are SD. A simple 1st round tender would be sufficient. Less money and cap hit.
My guess would be that by giving him the highest tender it makes it less likely that he will end up some place that the Chargers don't want him (Denver).
Exactly, as we've discussed over the past several weeks. By placing the highest tender, it scares off virtually all teams, and the Chargers can better dictate where he goes. And if no one budges, they have a well-paid backup, but with tremendous insurance value for LT this year.
Im not sure about this, but wont the higher tender also result in a higher compensatory pick from the league next year? Its good to have all kinds of edges.
 
Would love to see the Packers make a play for him.

Though their 2nd rounder is probably not high enough.

Perhaps a 1st and 3rd for Turner and SDs 1st?

Not sure how that breaks down on the trade/points scale....

 
From the Buffalo Bills blogger Chris Brown:

March 20, 2007 Posted By: Chris Brown | Time: 10:11 PM ET | Link NFL GRAPEVINE PRICE FOR TURNER: In talking to some people around the league I'm hearing that Chargers RFA RB Michael Turner could be had for a high second round pick. That obviously limits the number of teams that could make a play for Turner to those at or near the top of the second round this year, if that is the true asking price. I suppose if a team that wasn't at the top of the second round was desperate enough they could offer a first. It wouldn't surprise me if teams that are interested try to wait it out though. San Diego GM A.J. Smith would obviously love to get value this year for a player that will likely be out the door for nothing next year. The longer he waits the less he will likely get in return for Turner. Of course if just one team can't land the RB they want in the draft he could get lucky and name his price.While some teams might like the talent that Turner brings, there is the other deterrent of signing him to a lucrative long term deal. I don't know if I'd give up a first for him, but I'd have to strongly consider giving up a 2nd if that's indeed all it would take. Again it's just rumblings I'm hearing. Nothing definitive. We'll have to see if Turner talk heats up around the league. Stay tuned.
If I'm the Bills, I'm all over this like white on rice if this is true.
If this is truly the case, why give Turner the high tender (1st and 3rd) if you are SD. A simple 1st round tender would be sufficient. Less money and cap hit.
My guess would be that by giving him the highest tender it makes it less likely that he will end up some place that the Chargers don't want him (Denver).
Exactly, as we've discussed over the past several weeks. By placing the highest tender, it scares off virtually all teams, and the Chargers can better dictate where he goes. And if no one budges, they have a well-paid backup, but with tremendous insurance value for LT this year.
Im not sure about this, but wont the higher tender also result in a higher compensatory pick from the league next year? Its good to have all kinds of edges.
Probably a 3rd rd comp pick.
 
From the Buffalo Bills blogger Chris Brown:

March 20, 2007 Posted By: Chris Brown | Time: 10:11 PM ET | Link NFL GRAPEVINE PRICE FOR TURNER: In talking to some people around the league I'm hearing that Chargers RFA RB Michael Turner could be had for a high second round pick. That obviously limits the number of teams that could make a play for Turner to those at or near the top of the second round this year, if that is the true asking price. I suppose if a team that wasn't at the top of the second round was desperate enough they could offer a first. It wouldn't surprise me if teams that are interested try to wait it out though. San Diego GM A.J. Smith would obviously love to get value this year for a player that will likely be out the door for nothing next year. The longer he waits the less he will likely get in return for Turner. Of course if just one team can't land the RB they want in the draft he could get lucky and name his price.While some teams might like the talent that Turner brings, there is the other deterrent of signing him to a lucrative long term deal. I don't know if I'd give up a first for him, but I'd have to strongly consider giving up a 2nd if that's indeed all it would take. Again it's just rumblings I'm hearing. Nothing definitive. We'll have to see if Turner talk heats up around the league. Stay tuned.
If I'm the Bills, I'm all over this like white on rice if this is true.
If this is truly the case, why give Turner the high tender (1st and 3rd) if you are SD. A simple 1st round tender would be sufficient. Less money and cap hit.
My guess would be that by giving him the highest tender it makes it less likely that he will end up some place that the Chargers don't want him (Denver).
Exactly, as we've discussed over the past several weeks. By placing the highest tender, it scares off virtually all teams, and the Chargers can better dictate where he goes. And if no one budges, they have a well-paid backup, but with tremendous insurance value for LT this year.
Im not sure about this, but wont the higher tender also result in a higher compensatory pick from the league next year? Its good to have all kinds of edges.
Not if he is ultimately traded.
 
I think BUF is all over Lynch in the draft, barring an unexpected move. It's GB who is hosed and should consider making a move for Turner.

After all they haven't genuflected to Favre in what, several days :)

 

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