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I totally agree, my issue was mostly with that type of argument rather than the specific one. I foresee Smith getting treated very similarly to what happened to Matt Flynn last year. He gets signed for way less than the media tells us he is worth and he competes in camp with whoever was the starter and whatever project rookie they bring in. I also get the sense that Harvin really doesn't want to stay in MIN
Wasn't the source of this rumor a Fox station in Green Bay?Absolute BS. I'll consider believing it if a reporter with a bit of credibility/ history with the Vikes says it. Until then it sounds like some Packer homer of a sportscaster trying to make waves within the GB fanbase.'Carl Eller said:
Yeah, I heard DD on Mike and Mike this morning and think any rumor like that is completely fabricated. He's always seemed like a classy guy to me and a hard Packer to dislike...just can't see him making waves with the GB fanbase that loves him by signing with a division rival.
Matt Flynn got a 3 year contract for 26 million last season. The Seahawks are now having trouble trading him because no other team wants to take on his contract. Alex Smith has proven a lot more than Flynn so I do not see how he will get less than this. That amount of money could be used to sign Harvin long term. For context Ponder is making 2.75 million a year for the next 2 seasons.
I was a bit surprised that Sylvester Williams has dropped to the 3rd round in CBS overall list as I recall him being talked about as a possible 1st round pick and was in the top 5 of their rankings only 3 weeks or so ago. I do like the picks although I would prefer Ogletree in the 1st round to Xavier Rhodes if both were available.
It looks to me that the ranking were not adjusted for Senior Bowl performances. Cyprien, for example, is getting a lot of love from scouts now. Xavier Rhodes has to run a elite 40 to maintain his 1st round ranking.
Yes I have been noticing there is a lot of movement of rankings for prospects over the past 3 weeks. Players who once seemed like values in the 3rd or later rounds are getting buzz and moving up. Ctprien is one of those players, Floyd is the player I seen go up in rankings the most that I have noticed.Part of it is just my perspective as well, as I learn new players.I think there are 65 or more quality prospects available that could help the Vikings and I think they can get impact players at 23 52 and 83. The 3rd rounder may be a bit sketchy but I think there will still be a decent player there. What I was thinking to do is a all position draft using the Vikings picks. So for example a draft that shows the best WR available at each pick, another draft that takes the best LB available at each pick and so on for DT CB and safety. Then we could compare the value of these lists to each other and perhaps form a BVPA by position from the lists.I have been reading other teams mocks recently in the teens to get a better feel for what those teams may be targeting ahead of the Vikings pick. I think whatever the Vikings do they may need to commit their 1st or 2nd round pick to a LB. The talent is not as deep at this position as it is at DT and WR. I think there are still players to target at WR/DT in the 3rd round that are better prospects than the LB who will be left at pick 83 when all of the good LB prospects should all be gone.I was reading some stuff about Henderson and Brinkley. Both players players need be replaced but I guess Henderson was very solid in his tackling. So that is the argument made for keeping Henderson over Brinkley. Brinkley was too slow to keep the nickle LB spot and Henderson moved back into that role after week 11 or so. My main reasons for wanting to replace Henderson is because he is a liability in coverage and too easily fooled by play action. I would not be against keeping Henderson for the base defense but a LB who can take over the nickle with Greenway is badly needed.There are several quality safety prospects that should still be available at the Vikings 3rd and even 4th round picks I think. Hopefully the Vikings manage to re-sign Sanford but I would like to see a player better than Raymond pushing him for playing time.I like David Amerson a lot. I see him as perhaps a better value than Vaccaro who can still play both safety positions and CB. CBS currently has him ranked 68 so he may not last to pick 83.
He's quickly moving up the draft boards.
http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Vikings_Adrian_Peterson_undergoes_surgery_to_repair_sports_hernia020713If Peterson is fully healthy through 2014 what would you project for him? He clearly is saying he could have done more if the hernia was not holding him back.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000137480/article/vikings-gm-plays-it-coy-on-future-of-percy-harvinIf you get a chance to listen to this interview with Spielman there are some interesting bits they discuss such as the John Carlson contract. He says that the idea behind signing Carlson was with the intent to run primarily a 2TE offense, but that the offense changed to a more traditional one with Felton at fullback. Spielman says Peterson gets 2-3 yards more a carry running behind a fullback. Then he says Carlson is still part of the teams plans while changing the subject to how well Ellison played last season before ultimately saying he won't discuss contract business about this.They also talk about the IR situation with Harvin.Spielman talks about Ponder and the progress he expects to see from him next season. He talks about some great throws Ponder made at the end of the season. For back up QB he just says they will look to bring in competition. He does not regret letting go Sage Rosenfels. He talks about Webb showing himself capable of winning games before and that is why he was our backup QB. Spielman did not seem to be committed to Webb as the back up. He does say having a good back up QB they can depend on to win games is critical to a teams success.They talk about Robert Woods and then mentions there are 6-7 WR all in the same range on thier draft board. Woods, Patterson, Hunter and Allen are 4 of those he mentions.Says that continuity on the offensive line is important and that he hopes to keep Loadholt. He then mentions Love and Kevin Murphy being a possible back up at RT if Loadholt is not signed. Not sure who Murphy is right now. I thought Kopog might be in the mix as well but perhaps he is RFA compensation pick bait, or viewed as back up LT.Sullivan jokes around about more Notre Dame players being drafted. Then says Teo would be a great player for the Vikings when asked by Paul Allen. Spielman talks about not judging Teo's career by just one game and that he wants to find out why he played poorly in that game. That there are questions that need to be answered.Talks about Greg Childs and says that he is more talented than a 4th round pick. That he is hopeful he will be able to recover from his injury and that he has been working hard in rehab. He also says he thinks the Vikings have the best medical staff in the NFL.
If they trade Harvin for picks then I expect they'd also have plans to grab one of the top FA WR..It sounds more and more like Ponder is going to be the starting QB next year and the GM has already said they need to get him some better targets. If they do go after a top WR, then getting 2 or 3 picks for someone who doesn't seem to want to be here is a win.
At least from a salary cap perspective it would hurt the Vikings some other part of the team to pay Harvin what he is asking. I have heard 10 million a year is what he is looking for. The Vikings will likely be able to pay a lot less than that for a FA WR but we shall see.It is still a step backwards no matter how you slice it. The Vikings will need a kick returner a WR and a COP RB to replace what Harvin does for them.If they trade Harvin for picks then I expect they'd also have plans to grab one of the top FA WR..It sounds more and more like Ponder is going to be the starting QB next year and the GM has already said they need to get him some better targets. If they do go after a top WR, then getting 2 or 3 picks for someone who doesn't seem to want to be here is a win.
If- and it's a pretty big if- Childs makes it back, I think he was always supposed to be the return guy.What about trading Harvin to the Cowboys? They're over cap and have given a hell of a lot for the likes of Roy Williams...maybe Harris+Orton+picks for Harvin? Maybe they could interest them in Gerhart as well given Murray's injury history.At least from a salary cap perspective it would hurt the Vikings some other part of the team to pay Harvin what he is asking. I have heard 10 million a year is what he is looking for. The Vikings will likely be able to pay a lot less than that for a FA WR but we shall see.It is still a step backwards no matter how you slice it. The Vikings will need a kick returner a WR and a COP RB to replace what Harvin does for them.If they trade Harvin for picks then I expect they'd also have plans to grab one of the top FA WR..It sounds more and more like Ponder is going to be the starting QB next year and the GM has already said they need to get him some better targets. If they do go after a top WR, then getting 2 or 3 picks for someone who doesn't seem to want to be here is a win.
Really? I thought Childs came as the prototypical 6'3" receiver and Jarius Wright came as the smaller guy more suited for a return role?
I guess I got Childs and Burton confused...just as long as they move on from Sherels, because he's "just a guy". I don't think they even used Wright as a return guy last year either.
Are you nuts? I rather let Harvin play out his contract and walk in 2014 than get 3 borderline players for him.'The Kuhn said:
http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/190933401.htmlI agree with Peterson. I have not seen a player quite as good as Harvin is at making defenders miss, he has Barry Sanders like elusiveness with the ball.
Dallas gave up a 1st, 3rd, and 6th for Roy. Harvin looks like a holdout, so if a steal of a deal presents itself, the cap money could still be used to sign a quality WR and load up on picks or sleepers. If the organization doesn't want to commit to him, I'd rather him go now for top shelf value as they need to contend now. If Harvin has a year like Sidney Rice had in his last year, it's not really helping.I'll give you that Orton would be a throw-in, but I think continuing with Webb as the primary backup is a mistake, and Harris is a return guy and WR who is entering his 3rd year.
Harvin might holdout of training camp but I have no doubt that will have to show up for the regular season. If he doesn't he really hurts himself more than the team. He has to show his future team that he in shape and ready to contribute if he wants the $10 M per year contract he is currently seeking. Harris is older than Harvin and still hasn't shown much of anything. Vikings could sign Matt Moore if they want a capable back up QB. They don't need to trade for Orton. As Pellesero has said, trading for Harvin is double jeopardy for teams. A high draft pick plus the huge contract. Even Jerry Jones wouldn't give up a 1st for him.'The Kuhn said:
Even 2nd and 4th would be plenty of Ammo to get back in to 1st round... Or early 2nd to nab 2 of 3 above.
Isn't there a Jon Bostic in every draft? Or am I just having deja vu? That name seems so familiar.'Donnybrook said:
I am not very excited about this guy based on his write up but he still may be better than Henderson/Brinkley.I was surprised to see Brown graded higher than both Jones and Ogletree. From what I have been reading Brown is always mentioned as a top LB to consider but never as the best overall until now.How would people feel about the Vikings drafting Artur Brown with the Vikings 23rd pick? Until now I have been getting the sense that it would be a reach to pick Brown there but that he is too good to expect to last until the Vikings 2nd round pick. I went over all of the grades of players at every position. Arthur Brown is their 12 highest graded player in this draft and the last of 12 players graded above 90.There are 64 players graded above 80. 19 of those players are defensive linemen. Only 4 LB are graded above 80.I think the Vikings need to get one of these 4 LB with their 1st round pick because they are not likely to be available in the 2nd round while the Vikings can get startable players at DT and WR later in the draft.I will try to look more into Bostic later on though. If the Vikings could find a good LB in the 4th round that would be better than I can see the situation playing out.I would like the Vikings to pursue Phillip Wheeler in free agency. From what the Raiders fans say however he is a top priority for them to re-sign, so I do not know if he will be available. I did not see any other FA LB who would fit the Vikings defense better than Henderson/Brinkley.
Another month goes by and the combine have changed my mind yet again. Te'o and Allen were prospects that people thought wouldn't fall to 23 in the draft. Personally I wouldnbe 't all that disappointed if the Vikings let both of them keep falling. I was disappointed that Keenan Allen measured in at 6'2" and 206. That is not exactly big by NFL standards. In fact, Hopkins was only 1" shorter and outweighed him. Allen still hasn't recovered fully from his injury and he won't hold his pro day until April 9th. I am not convinced that when Allen finally runs that he will run all that much faster than Hopkins. At this point, Olgetree wouldn't be a bad pick if the team feels that he can be trusted in the future.I also think Eric Reid would be a good pick for the Vikings. Viking don't classify their safeties in the traditional strong and free postions. They are expected to both roles on any given play. Vaccaro and Elam may be rated higher but the 6'1" Reid looks like a better fit for the Vikings.
I have to agree with you on Teo. He did not perform very well in the combine and I just do not have confidence in him as the Vikings 1st round pick. As a 2nd round pick I think he is worth consideration. Of the LB I like Brown and Ogletree. I think Minter is alright also but from what I watched of him he seemed to hide behind his linemen a lot and not take on blocks well when he couldn't. I did not see him doing much in coverage either.Sio Moore and Khaseem Greene seem like the only other LB worth targeting although there is likely some guys I missed. I do not think Allen will be a choice the Vikings will have to consider but I agree with you that Hopkins is a similar quality receiver. I may like Hopkins better than Allen by the time the draft rolls out. To me they are close. Both are polished and should be successful in the Nfl. This is mainly why I am against going WR with the 23rd pick because I think there are enough WR for the Vikings to still get a good one, possibly 2 later in the draft. There are 7-8 quality safety prospects in this draft. Vaccaro, Reid, Elam, Rambo, Swearinger, Cyprien, Shamarko Thomas and David Amerson (who is a CB but some project him to S). I think the Vikings might be able to get a good one in the 4th round possibly. I do hope they re-sign Sanford and try to get one of the last of these guys on the board.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000145667/article/mike-mccarthy-green-bay-packers-physical-teamTranslation - The defense got manhandled because too much of our team is focused on the passing game and stopping the passing game. The Packers do not match up well against physical teams like the 49ers and Vikings.I love the Vikings being a running team in todays Nfl.
Sounds about right, although Felton can't be too picky since there aren't a ton of teams that use a true FB anymore.
I think Felton will be back with a contract something like 2-3 million a year. The Vikings can afford this for now and pay for it by cutting Carlson in 2014.There are a few free agent tackles that are better than Loadholt available on the market. So hopefully that means the Vikings re-sign him as the big money goes to these players instead of Loadholt. That is my hope anyways.Brinkley should get a show me 1 year deal. Sanford I would like to see signed longer term.Other guys I would like to see the Vikings bring back are Berger and/or Shwartz. Unless the Vikings plan on taking C/G/T Jones in the draft, he is someone the Vikings should consider 3rd round if still available. I doubt he will be and WR a bigger priority in the 2nd round.
Not surprised, but down the stretch he did make quite a few clutch catches for the team.
Sign OLB Phillip Wheeler to more than he is worth.Actually scratch that. Give Harvin and Loadholt what they want. If there is enough money left after that then pay Wheeler too much.The Vikings really should cut Guion and save a few million there as well. Evans clearly outplayed him and the Vikings should be adding at least one DT in the draft.
I would guess that if they make a play for Wallace, then they have a plan to trade Harvin.
to Harvin:Sorry, I like Harvin but no way is he worth that.
