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shadyridr
Footballguy
yeah and rodneys arrow
the moops
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Billy Bats
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Carlos Quentin finally is healthy for two straight games, and then he charges Greinke after getting hit for the 116th time in his career. 
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Vin Scully reading Kemp's lips is good stuff, though I think he left some words out.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
So Grienke threw at Quentin's head twice when Grienke was a Royal and Quentin was a Honkey Sock. Seems like throwing at White Sox is the right thing to do, so Grienke is ok in my book. 
strykerpks
Footballguy
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Except it was a total PR fraud:Yeah, was just going to come here to post this.
Pretty remarkable streak, imo. Longest in U.S. beating the Trailblazers by a good 40-50 games.
An NFL team would have to sell out for 100 years to beat this streak.
Baseball is a long grind, and selling out every game for 10 years is a great run. Even if Fenway is smaller than most parks - not every year has been great, and add in that the weather can be miserable for an outdoor game in Boston. Good run
http://deadspin.com/red-soxs-sellout-streak-ends-472510787
Boston has great fans and is a great baseball town and Fenway is my favorite ballpark in the majors now that the Yankee Stadium I grew up with is gone...They shouldn't have needed to manipulate numbers for some stupid "streak"
sporthenry
Footballguy
Guess I'll need to step up my stream game. Wonder how much Quentin will get?
Funny that Greinke is getting tons of street cred for lowering his shoulder yet everyone pretty much says he would have been best served just cowering like most pitchers. It'll be interesting to see if this sort of sparks change for charging the mound.
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Old Hoss Radbourn @OldHossRadbourn2h
In my day fighting with a Padre in certain circles earned you a promotion and raise. Papist scum.
In my day fighting with a Padre in certain circles earned you a promotion and raise. Papist scum.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Mattingly: "He (Quentin) shouldn't play a game until Greinke can pitch."
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Marty Caswell @MartyCaswell
Players just ran out of Dodgers clubhouse...appears Matt Kemp and Carlos Quentin went after it in players parking lot
Players just ran out of Dodgers clubhouse...appears Matt Kemp and Carlos Quentin went after it in players parking lot
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Marty Caswell @MartyCaswell
Kemp and Quentin were nose-to-nose and had to be separated by Clayton Richard
Kemp and Quentin were nose-to-nose and had to be separated by Clayton Richard
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Sweet paste job, gunz.
Wrigley
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure just about every single team in professional sports does this (or extremely similar). I wouldn't really call this streak being a total PR fraud.Except it was a total PR fraud:Yeah, was just going to come here to post this.
Pretty remarkable streak, imo. Longest in U.S. beating the Trailblazers by a good 40-50 games.
An NFL team would have to sell out for 100 years to beat this streak.
Baseball is a long grind, and selling out every game for 10 years is a great run. Even if Fenway is smaller than most parks - not every year has been great, and add in that the weather can be miserable for an outdoor game in Boston. Good run
http://deadspin.com/red-soxs-sellout-streak-ends-472510787
Boston has great fans and is a great baseball town and Fenway is my favorite ballpark in the majors now that the Yankee Stadium I grew up with is gone...They shouldn't have needed to manipulate numbers for some stupid "streak"
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I don't really see how that's manipulation, other than maybe if they gave seats to charity just to keep the streak alive. That's how attendance is always counted for sporting events- did you sell every seat you put up for sale. And obviously seats that go unsold on the secondary market are "allowed" to count. Someone bought the ticket. If you needed every single seat to be occupied to have a sellout there would have never been a sold out event in the history of sports.Except it was a total PR fraud:Yeah, was just going to come here to post this.
Pretty remarkable streak, imo. Longest in U.S. beating the Trailblazers by a good 40-50 games.
An NFL team would have to sell out for 100 years to beat this streak.
Baseball is a long grind, and selling out every game for 10 years is a great run. Even if Fenway is smaller than most parks - not every year has been great, and add in that the weather can be miserable for an outdoor game in Boston. Good run
http://deadspin.com/red-soxs-sellout-streak-ends-472510787
Boston has great fans and is a great baseball town and Fenway is my favorite ballpark in the majors now that the Yankee Stadium I grew up with is gone...They shouldn't have needed to manipulate numbers for some stupid "streak"
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boubucarow
Footballguy
Yeah, it looks like an idiotic question. But everyone draws the line in a different place. Many of us draw a line outside of the rulebook and what cheating was acceptable. That is why Willie Mays is one of the greatest ever and Bonds isn't in the conversation for many. They don't care what the rulebook says. Some cheating is across the line and other cheating is not.
For those who say steroids = greenies and if you throw out Bonds you need to throw out Mays, I just want to know if their line is only the rulebook. Or is there some other line of reasoning?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
pantagrapher
Footballguy
He probably should have just thrown a punch. Broken hand is better than collarbone, IMO.
Guess I'll need to step up my stream game. Wonder how much Quentin will get?
Funny that Greinke is getting tons of street cred for lowering his shoulder yet everyone pretty much says he would have been best served just cowering like most pitchers. It'll be interesting to see if this sort of sparks change for charging the mound.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
Ryan Howard is 0-12 with 7 Ks against LHP this year. Last year he batted .173 with 45 K in 98 AB against LHP.
whoknew
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I assume this is. Quentin should be suspended for 50 games.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Not sure what to think here.
Obviously, it's bad for hitters to go charging the mound every time they get hit, but I'm also not sure it's bad for pitchers to be reminded every once in a while, that if you want to fling a ball 90 MPH at another man, risking his career or worse, that he might just be down for a round of fisticuffs.
In this case, it stinks for Greinke, but many, many batters have hit the DL for extended stretches from getting plunked.
In this case, I'd say, "meh, it sucks, but it happens". Pitchers need to pitch inside. Every once in a while, they might hit a guy on purpose or not. Every once in awhile, a batter might take offense.
This is baseball. Because these are mostly white players, these things ("establishing the inside part of the plate" and fighting) have been celebrated for a very long time. It happens. Throw out some suspensions and let's move on. No reason for an outrage.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Makes no sense.....
Quentin was not bulling he was bullying. Decided to go after the nerd on the bus. Great job tough guy.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Quentin's a moron. He's led the majors in HBP for several seasons b/c he crowds the plate and dives in. And Mattingly's absolutely right that Grienke wasn't trying to hit him on a 3-2 pitch in a 1 run game.
Dodgers have every right to be livid. And I'm a Dodger hater.
Dodgers have every right to be livid. And I'm a Dodger hater.
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Quentin led the league in HBPs last season despite only playing in 86 games. When he actually played in 116 games the year before, he led the league easily.Not sure what to think here.
Obviously, it's bad for hitters to go charging the mound every time they get hit, but I'm also not sure it's bad for pitchers to be reminded every once in a while, that if you want to fling a ball 90 MPH at another man, risking his career or worse, that he might just be down for a round of fisticuffs.
In this case, it stinks for Greinke, but many, many batters have hit the DL for extended stretches from getting plunked.
In this case, I'd say, "meh, it sucks, but it happens". Pitchers need to pitch inside. Every once in a while, they might hit a guy on purpose or not. Every once in awhile, a batter might take offense.
This is baseball. Because these are mostly white players, these things ("establishing the inside part of the plate" and fighting) have been celebrated for a very long time. It happens. Throw out some suspensions and let's move on. No reason for an outrage.
There are some guys who set up over the plate or dive over the plate- as an NL East guy, Utley and Espinosa are two that come to mind. IMO, those players lose the right to complain about getting hit by a pitch. Quentin is at the top of the list of guys who have lost that right, and it's not close.
sporthenry
Footballguy
They play next week after the weekend series. How do you not bean Quentin every at bat now? Just have A-Gon stand next to your pitcher and try to charge him.ETA: MLB will suspend Quentin through that series and they don't play til June again.
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scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
He'd thrown 2 strikes and 3 balls to Quentin already in the at bat. And it was Quentin's 3rd at bat. It is very difficult for me to believe Greinke chose that pitch to throw at Quentin because he was angry/hates Quentin.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
That makes zero sense. He threw him five pitches before "intentionally" plunking him? Why would he waste five pitches? You think he magically got mad or angry before the sixth pitch of an at-bat for some reason? Why would be do it with no outs in a one run game in the sixth? If he wanted to plunk he he could have done it with two outs and nobody on in the first.
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Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
If I were the Dodgers I'd trade for Farnsworth, pretty much for the express intent of beaning Quentin.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
The ball hit Quentin's arm/elbow, because the caveman was leaning in as usual. Yeah it got away from Greinke but probably 99% of major league batters wouldn't have been hit by that pitch.
Don't ever tell Kyle Farnsworth that MLB'ers fight like girls. He will beat you within an inch of your life.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
cheese
Footballguy
So I post that I don't think it has anything to do with the game situation and you reply explaining why it was a bad game situation to hit someone. Ok.
I doubt there is anything magic about why he did it. I'm guessing Quentin has a pretty good idea based on his reaction.
It isn't worth debating though. You either think he threw at him or you don't. No big deal.
Wrigley
Footballguy
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Yeah, I think charging the mound is fine from time to time, but you're right, Quentin was probably out of line, given who he is and the situation.Quentin led the league in HBPs last season despite only playing in 86 games. When he actually played in 116 games the year before, he led the league easily.Not sure what to think here.
Obviously, it's bad for hitters to go charging the mound every time they get hit, but I'm also not sure it's bad for pitchers to be reminded every once in a while, that if you want to fling a ball 90 MPH at another man, risking his career or worse, that he might just be down for a round of fisticuffs.
In this case, it stinks for Greinke, but many, many batters have hit the DL for extended stretches from getting plunked.
In this case, I'd say, "meh, it sucks, but it happens". Pitchers need to pitch inside. Every once in a while, they might hit a guy on purpose or not. Every once in awhile, a batter might take offense.
This is baseball. Because these are mostly white players, these things ("establishing the inside part of the plate" and fighting) have been celebrated for a very long time. It happens. Throw out some suspensions and let's move on. No reason for an outrage.
There are some guys who set up over the plate or dive over the plate- as an NL East guy, Utley and Espinosa are two that come to mind. IMO, those players lose the right to complain about getting hit by a pitch. Quentin is at the top of the list of guys who have lost that right, and it's not close.
