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*** OFFICIAL New Orleans Saints Thread *** (1 Viewer)

Deamon said:
Statorama said:
Statorama said:
I love my Saints, but this season has a bad feeling about it. Like the team as a whole is just waiting for a reason to check out.
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Starting against the Panthers cures a lot of ills I guess :boxing:
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And now on the road against a great Dallas Defense.

What is happening here? Is this suddenly a top 5 offense in the NFL?????
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If you know the history of Derek Carr he'll find a way to f this up 🙈
 
Major said:
Deamon said:
Statorama said:
Statorama said:
I love my Saints, but this season has a bad feeling about it. Like the team as a whole is just waiting for a reason to check out.
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Starting against the Panthers cures a lot of ills I guess :boxing:
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And now on the road against a great Dallas Defense.

What is happening here? Is this suddenly a top 5 offense in the NFL?????
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If you know the history of Derek Carr he'll find a way to f this up 🙈
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Nah. Two games is a small sample, but it looks like priors have be re-assessed at this point.
 
Scott Barrett
Wrote 5,000 words this offseason on the importance of offensive play-callers. Saints OC Klint Kubiak might be the ultimate cheat code.

Not only a Shanahan-disciple (all of the best offenses are Shanny guys) but also (obvi) a Gary Kubiak disciple.

Crazy Stat: Gary Kubiak spent 13 seasons as an NFL offensive coordinator. His offenses ranked top-12 in rushing yards in each of those 13 seasons, and top-5 10 times.
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After ranking dead-last in rates of motion and play-action a season ago, New Orleans ranked (respectively) 1st (88%) and 3rd (46%) in Week 1.

Those are two of the most potent cheat codes in today's NFL. See: this graphic from @jagibbs_23
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The Saints have scored on all 14 of Derek Carr's drives this season:

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Chris Simms
Saints offense is awesome mix of old school / new school.
Formations using multiple backs or TE.
O-line pushing people back 4-5 yards.
Play-action off a physical run game.
And then Klint Kubiak with the Shanahan-esque creativity and game-plan specific plays
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What's the WR room look like after Olave and Shaheed? I'm trying to find players to roster in deeper leagues and its seems like N.O. has a lot of WRs still on the WW in my leagues.

Cedrick Wilson considered the #3? and A.T. Perry is out of favor with this staff now?
 
Max Power said:
What's the WR room look like after Olave and Shaheed? I'm trying to find players to roster in deeper leagues and its seems like N.O. has a lot of WRs still on the WW in my leagues.

Cedrick Wilson considered the #3? and A.T. Perry is out of favor with this staff now?
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Sadly, there's nothing to see in the Saints' WR room after the top two ... not from a fantasy perspective.

If your league is super-deep and you can wait a year, A.T. Perry could be something. He needs injury help to be fantasy-relevant in 2024.

Kubiak's offense in New Orleans is kind of unusual ... or at least I haven't seen this kind of personnel usage since the 80s. Cedrick Wilson is probably the "WR #3" on paper, but it means very little as the Saints now pretty much never run 3-WR sets. At best, Wilson is in line for targets behind Olave, Shaheed, Kamara, Taysom Hill, Juwan Johnson, and (somehow) Foster Moreau. Maybe Kubiak will throw a wrinkle in one week and send 3 or 4 passes Wilson's way -- that's about the best to hope for.

The 49ers' "WR #3" last season, Jajuan Jennings, seemed to get buried in the same way -- he was fighting for scraps after Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, McCaffery, etc. Jennings did get two starts when Deebo was out, but still only ended up with 33 targets and 19 receptions for all of 2023.

Cedrick Wilson doesn't have a target yet through two games. Rookie Mason Tipton and Bub Means have one each. A.T. Perry sat out Week One with a hand injury and was a healthy scratch last week. Not seeing anything there to get excited about.
 
nick wright
Saints 2025 Cap (97M OVER projected cap):

Carr: 51M on, 60M if cut, 41M if traded
Hill: 17M on, 17M if cut/traded
Ramczyk: 29M on, 23M if cut/traded
Jordan: 20M on, 23M if cut/traded

So those 4 players, you don't create any cap savings.

Kamara: 28M on, 10M if cut
Lattimore: 31M on, 20M if cut/traded

So those 2 players are gone, but it doesn't meaningfully solve any problems.

Just to be cap compliant they'll have to restructure deals of players that they don't even want anymore.

The absolute best case scenario is that by 2027 they'll have a clean cap sheet. But this year, next year AND 2026 are already shot... and some of us have been warning fans that this has been coming for years, and sycophants who "cover" the team have sworn the national media "just doesn't get it."

We did, we were right, and now the Saints awesome fan base is going to be in the wilderness for years and years.
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Major said:
Deamon said:
Statorama said:
Statorama said:
I love my Saints, but this season has a bad feeling about it. Like the team as a whole is just waiting for a reason to check out.
Click to expand...
Starting against the Panthers cures a lot of ills I guess :boxing:
Click to expand...
And now on the road against a great Dallas Defense.

What is happening here? Is this suddenly a top 5 offense in the NFL?????
Click to expand...

If you know the history of Derek Carr he'll find a way to f this up 🙈
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:coffee:
 
Saints promote special teams coach Rizzi to interim head coach. Uninspiring to say the least, but he knows what to say when the cameras are on him, and he interviewed for the job previously (so he's got head coaching aspirations).

Saints are in a tough spot. Ownership isn't that great, and the team is in cap hell with aging players. Hard to attract a Ben Johnson type to that kind of environment.
 
Statorama said:
Saints are in a tough spot. Ownership isn't that great, and the team is in cap hell with aging players. Hard to attract a Ben Johnson type to that kind of environment.
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Yeah, smells like another Ditka Era is coming.

I'm actually surprised the Saints pulled the trigger on this firing mid-season -- their MO used to be to bend over backwards to avoid that. I know Gayle Benson had a recent meeting with the players about Allen, so the reports upstream must've been terrible.
 
Doug B said:
Statorama said:
Saints are in a tough spot. Ownership isn't that great, and the team is in cap hell with aging players. Hard to attract a Ben Johnson type to that kind of environment.
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Yeah, smells like another Ditka Era is coming.

I'm actually surprised the Saints pulled the trigger on this firing mid-season -- their MO used to be to bend over backwards to avoid that. I know Gayle Benson had a recent meeting with the players about Allen, so the reports upstream must've been terrible.
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Yeah, the quote I heard (from anonymous sources, natch) was "If they lose to the Panthers, will he lose the team?" was met with "It's already lost".

But one thing they gotta do is to stop the money train and let this cap situation simmer down to a boil. I'm ok with a few seasons in the wilderness, of being a 3 win team drafting in the top 5, of knowing that the Saints are just going to suck for a few seasons...as long as I know it's working toward something.
 
Statorama said:
Doug B said:
Statorama said:
Saints are in a tough spot. Ownership isn't that great, and the team is in cap hell with aging players. Hard to attract a Ben Johnson type to that kind of environment.
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Yeah, smells like another Ditka Era is coming.

I'm actually surprised the Saints pulled the trigger on this firing mid-season -- their MO used to be to bend over backwards to avoid that. I know Gayle Benson had a recent meeting with the players about Allen, so the reports upstream must've been terrible.
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Yeah, the quote I heard (from anonymous sources, natch) was "If they lose to the Panthers, will he lose the team?" was met with "It's already lost".

But one thing they gotta do is to stop the money train and let this cap situation simmer down to a boil. I'm ok with a few seasons in the wilderness, of being a 3 win team drafting in the top 5, of knowing that the Saints are just going to suck for a few seasons...as long as I know it's working toward something.
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this is sort of what happens when you have had a good team for a few years. everyone gets to a point where they are making too much money and you cant stay under the cap without disassembling the team.

I'm honestly surprised they found the money to sign Carr. but they did. players are gonna need to exit soon. and if the team aint winning nobody will wanna stay
 
Bri said:
Darren Rizzi was a few years older than me growing up....I think this is so cool
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The more I learn about him the more he grows on me. It might not mean much, but he's the kind of guy that teams keep around as an assistant even when the head coach leaves. That tells me something when a team says 'we have to change things up around here...except that guy'.

He's got 8 games to show what he can do, and that's fair. If he looks like he can handle the job, he's as good as anybody else to give 3 years to. If he craps the bed I'm thinking Aaron Glenn is your next Saints head coach. He's a southern guy, and he spent 4 years in NO as the DB coach, so he's got history there. He seems ready.

Barring the Saints drafting some wunderkind QB, they are a ways from being a team that goes deep into the playoffs - no matter who is wearing the headset.
 
Statorama said:
Bri said:
Darren Rizzi was a few years older than me growing up....I think this is so cool
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The more I learn about him the more he grows on me. It might not mean much, but he's the kind of guy that teams keep around as an assistant even when the head coach leaves. That tells me something when a team says 'we have to change things up around here...except that guy'.

He's got 8 games to show what he can do, and that's fair. If he looks like he can handle the job, he's as good as anybody else to give 3 years to. If he craps the bed I'm thinking Aaron Glenn is your next Saints head coach. He's a southern guy, and he spent 4 years in NO as the DB coach, so he's got history there. He seems ready.

Barring the Saints drafting some wunderkind QB, they are a ways from being a team that goes deep into the playoffs - no matter who is wearing the headset.
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He's definitely very well respected around the league.
He's a jersey guy that moved to CT I think then Miami then Nola.
Parcells is retired but they know each other and share a bond with a famous HS coach. That coach has "raised" a lot of coaches that call themselves teachers first and has a long tree of sorts.

Miami coaches have get togethers (college and pro) so he's attended those and probably made friends there.

I always read articles of him (there rarely has been as a ST assistant and then ST coach). He has always been a "make the best of what they give me" guy and uses cliches like that. That's really how special teams is. They tell ya when you'll practice and how long and who is on your unit too. Everything is in "what's best for the team" spirit too.

It's a huge change for him to have choices or decisions and options right now. He could be an excellent manager of a team as a HC is supposed to be.

I do not know how much he knows in regards to offense or defense.

I think you'll see jersey guys and Miami guys if he made changes and kept the job but he's really not used to that so I wouldn't expect much change as you said.

Brian Cushing was a trainer and assistant with the Texans and last I knew he was looking for work. I haven't looked if they brought him back. Darren worked with him in camps in NJ.
 
His presser yesterday offered simplistic cliches coach phrases but that's what happens when you're losing.
He said play with passion and execute. A lot of followup questions had him about reiterating the same phrases.
I saw Dan Campbell comparisons on Twitter. Maybe in some vague sense.

Loomis talked of the way he speaks bluntly and how he makes the game simple (teacher).

Remember Parcells we're as good as our record, it is what it is, and other phrases when they lost.

It's all the same for every losing team's coach. We know this but generally we like hearing it.

Did you block your man? Good. No? Then you didn't execute. Did we not teach well? Coaching prob? Drill it? Or is it on the player? It's overly simple.

It's not the off-season. This is my hangup for interim coaches. He doesn't have 90 guys to pick from and he doesn't have the whole off-season flow of player turnover.

There isn't great depth throughout the Saints roster as if they're a pro bowl roster. They're a regular team.

You're probably going to see some talented guy benched for not executing and some less talented sub come in that gives it his all. If Dan Campbell vibes is what current era fans get from that...OK. it could be a lot of coaches imo but ok whatever.

The great thing about this is if he's not the new coach next season, the new coach will almost never disagree with him in this ultra simple player evaluation. No new coach is going to takeover a team and want a guy not giving effort (or whatever) so if you pay attention to subs and such- you won't generally be surprised if a new coach comes this off-season and cleans house of the benched players. I'd make a mental note of these types.

Rattler- an interim coach that is going to constantly remind his staff that they're teachers first- that's fine for him.

Give it a few weeks. Sometimes these vague sayings wear thin, sometimes they become a mantra. We'll have an idea how it's landing with the players
 
Bri said:
His presser yesterday offered simplistic cliches coach phrases but that's what happens when you're losing.
He said play with passion and execute. A lot of followup questions had him about reiterating the same phrases.
I saw Dan Campbell comparisons on Twitter. Maybe in some vague sense.

Loomis talked of the way he speaks bluntly and how he makes the game simple (teacher).

Remember Parcells we're as good as our record, it is what it is, and other phrases when they lost.

It's all the same for every losing team's coach. We know this but generally we like hearing it.

Did you block your man? Good. No? Then you didn't execute. Did we not teach well? Coaching prob? Drill it? Or is it on the player? It's overly simple.

It's not the off-season. This is my hangup for interim coaches. He doesn't have 90 guys to pick from and he doesn't have the whole off-season flow of player turnover.

There isn't great depth throughout the Saints roster as if they're a pro bowl roster. They're a regular team.

You're probably going to see some talented guy benched for not executing and some less talented sub come in that gives it his all. If Dan Campbell vibes is what current era fans get from that...OK. it could be a lot of coaches imo but ok whatever.

The great thing about this is if he's not the new coach next season, the new coach will almost never disagree with him in this ultra simple player evaluation. No new coach is going to takeover a team and want a guy not giving effort (or whatever) so if you pay attention to subs and such- you won't generally be surprised if a new coach comes this off-season and cleans house of the benched players. I'd make a mental note of these types.

Rattler- an interim coach that is going to constantly remind his staff that they're teachers first- that's fine for him.

Give it a few weeks. Sometimes these vague sayings wear thin, sometimes they become a mantra. We'll have an idea how it's landing with the players
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Well said. The only thing I disagree with is his collaboration with a new head coach. Once you're at the head of the adult table with a team, it's kind of hard to go back to the kid table with that same team. You almost never see the interim head coach (as opposed to just being an assistant) kept when the new boss comes to town.

I'd love for him to stay, but history shows he'd likely move on if it was felt he couldn't be the head guy here.
 
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Just wondering what would be the outcome of Kamara with a new coach? Is he nerfed at all? keep the same offence or is there a radical change? Anyone have an educated guess?
 
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BoltNlava said:
Just wondering what would be the outcome of Kamara with a new coach? Is he nerfed at all? keep the same offence or is there a radical change? Anyone have an educated guess?
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He said yesterday they're rolling the same he's just taking over...managerial vibe.
I'll be surprised if he calls anymore than a crucial plays, if that
 
Statorama said:
Bri said:
His presser yesterday offered simplistic cliches coach phrases but that's what happens when you're losing.
He said play with passion and execute. A lot of followup questions had him about reiterating the same phrases.
I saw Dan Campbell comparisons on Twitter. Maybe in some vague sense.

Loomis talked of the way he speaks bluntly and how he makes the game simple (teacher).

Remember Parcells we're as good as our record, it is what it is, and other phrases when they lost.

It's all the same for every losing team's coach. We know this but generally we like hearing it.

Did you block your man? Good. No? Then you didn't execute. Did we not teach well? Coaching prob? Drill it? Or is it on the player? It's overly simple.

It's not the off-season. This is my hangup for interim coaches. He doesn't have 90 guys to pick from and he doesn't have the whole off-season flow of player turnover.

There isn't great depth throughout the Saints roster as if they're a pro bowl roster. They're a regular team.

You're probably going to see some talented guy benched for not executing and some less talented sub come in that gives it his all. If Dan Campbell vibes is what current era fans get from that...OK. it could be a lot of coaches imo but ok whatever.

The great thing about this is if he's not the new coach next season, the new coach will almost never disagree with him in this ultra simple player evaluation. No new coach is going to takeover a team and want a guy not giving effort (or whatever) so if you pay attention to subs and such- you won't generally be surprised if a new coach comes this off-season and cleans house of the benched players. I'd make a mental note of these types.

Rattler- an interim coach that is going to constantly remind his staff that they're teachers first- that's fine for him.

Give it a few weeks. Sometimes these vague sayings wear thin, sometimes they become a mantra. We'll have an idea how it's landing with the players
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Well said. The only thing I disagree with is his collaboration with a new head coach. Once you're at the head of the adult table with a team, it's kind of hard to go back to the kid table with that same team. You almost never see the interim head coach (as opposed to just being an assistant) kept when the new boss comes to town.

I'd love for him to stay, but history shows he'd likely move on if it was felt he couldn't be the head guy here.
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With their cap a disaster and next year's hopes a bit from I think he has some favorable odds to be kept. Unfortunately I think it also means next year you try to win with a lot of minimum salary guys and...then he'll be criticized for not winning with them.

Just guess of the cycle of how things seem to go
 
Faust said:
Sources: Saints to start Jake Haener if Derek Carr can't go
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Kendre Miller needed to be let out of the doghouse. I don't know that Allen gave him a path/plan to do this and we often don't know. We did with Rizzi.

Weird ST stunt for a block but it's worth a shot. It worked!

Now he goes with the guy that's been there longer than the draft day darling Rattler.
Haener put the work in- that should mean something.

I sooo much see the jersey guy, the Parcells influence in Rizzi.

I love it. Interim coaches rarely stay. They'd be crazy to let him go. I've been following things on X and the fans are really gravitating to him. I think every losing mess of a team would love to have him. You just sorta know he's gonna straighten things out.

Haener doesn't have to play the whole game. Whatever happens happens but he did show every backup that they will get an opportunity if it's presented.

Off-season- they will have an idea on Miller and Haener and not just be blind guesses. Let em play!
 
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