Gottabesweet
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Not a fan of Balor, I know I'm in the minority but he'll just be another small guy and never be good enough for Vince/HHH. I can maybe see him feuding with Daniel Bryan some day if he ever comes back.
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JB Breakfast Club
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My only issue is the forced factions. I think I'd like it better if they were each doing their own thing, but I'm sure that'll come with time. What I really want to see is an 8 woman tournament where the winner faces Nikki for the title at Summerslam. That isn't really WWE's MO though, because that means seven of them have to lose along the way
1. Sasha Banks vs. 8. Brie Bella
4. Becky Lynch vs. 5. Naomi
3. Paige vs. 6. Alicia Fox
2. Charlotte vs. 7. Tamina Snuka
jurrassic
Footballguy
So my son wanted to watch Battleground this morning and when we hit "Watch" a play feed message is coming up stating "Media not found: The content or event is not found" WTF. This is why I pay for this damn app. Other programming works on the app. I wonder if the file is damaged.
One of the biggest benefits to the NXT women being called up, is that Paige seems to care again. She was every bit as good as anyone when she was in NXT, but then she seemed to just start going through the motions after nothing but matches with the Bellas and a similarly disinterested AJ. Paige seemed like she was moving twice as quickly as normal last night in her limited time. Also, while I'm certainly a huge Sasha fan(I've been calling the best female wresltlr in WWE history for months) I think the woman getting the most out of this call up is Emma. She's likely going to run roughshod over the women's division in NXT for the near future, which should be great. Emma is kind of the Cesaro of the women's division, great wrestler, who just got lost in the shuffle, but can easily be built up at any time.RAW was pretty good.
Sasha Banks makes these Bella bimbos look so small time. (So does Charlotte but Banks is in a league of her own). Best diva worker, hottest diva, best personality, best heel, best at working a crowd, etc....etc.... etc..... Kudos to WWE creating this trios diva stuff to get the focus off the title (and extend this Nikki Bella sham of a title run to surpass AJ Lee's record reign). Keep switching face/heel every week bimbos. They'll never be overBrie Bella is one the most talentless divas in WWE history. Go home already and be a mommy.
While Taker wanting revenge 16-17 months after a loss is weird, but their program will be the best thing at Summerslam.
Seth Rollins reign has been an abomination. Tremendous worker. Programs and storylines have sucked. Too bad. John Cena's segment 2nite with him is the truth. Cena's US Title Challenge has been the best thing on RAW every week.
Say what you will about Rollins reign so far, but it seemed like they were starting to make it better, he had an excellent match at Money In the Bank against Ambrose(which, again in the minority, I thought was better than any of the Cena-Owens matches) that he won fair and square.
The thing that irritates me most about this Lesnar/Taker thing, is that I was really REALLY interested in Lesnar/Rollins. My favorite match in 2015 was the Lesnar/Cena/Rollins match at Royal Rumble, and the best part of that match was when Cena was out of the ring and Rollins was just frantically throwing himself 100 MPH at Lesnar out of desperation, it was so different than anything else that Brock has gone up against since he came back. I was really looking forward to 10-15 minutes of Rollins being quick enough to evade Lesnar, and stick and move, but not strong enough to keep him down. Kinda like HBK/Taker in fast forward, maybe only 10-15 minutes instead of 30-40. Instead we got that for about 1 minute, and basically a squash and a non-ending, all to build to a boring match we've already seen several times.
I understand Brock/Taker is a money making match, but they could have done both, instead of just wasting a unique main event.
Lastly, surprise surprise, I hated that Cena promo. I think that is why I like the US open challenges so much, because it just features Cena matches and not Cena stories. I really wish Rollins comeback would have been something like, "Wow, way to defend your title against Kevin Owens, he's pretty good, that's a good win. Of course I defended my title against Brock Lesnar, remember him, that guy who beat you so badly that now you are slumming it in the midcard."
OC Zed
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This is a little disappointing as a WM rematch would have been a huge draw and an incredible way for Undertaker to go out. I'm also a little disappointed that we only get a 5-week build on a rematch that's 14 months in the making.
I take this as a sign that the WWE is desperate to boost Network buy rates going into SS.
OC Zed
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JB Breakfast Club
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Or maybe it's just that Undertaker is feeling really good right now, and they want to get the match in while he is in shape for it. Who knows where he'll be six months from now?
coyote5
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OC Zed
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Meh... Brock is a HUGE guy even for WWE standards. Hoisting him up for TWO tombstones without even be warmed up in the flow of a match is no easy feat. I wouldn't use that as a knock against Taker. And I say that as someone that wasn't overly impressed with his last WM match against Wyatt.
Bogart
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Craig_MiamiFL
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Tough Enough elimination:
No coincidence the WWE is going full out right now for ratings (Taker, NXT divas, Sting, etc..). They just got the 2nd lowest RAW rating (a week or so ago) in the past 20 years....
I don't think they've hit anywhere near rock bottom either. I just don't see this company turning it around w/o a change of direction. I don't think it's as simple as trying Attitude Era type stuff either. There's just a whole lot more competition for eyeballs today.
I'm not the biggest guy's fan or anything, but was quite surprised to see Patrick go. I don't think the guy has a high ceiling but he's arguably the most likely of this cast to have a WWE career. Far and away the most with best overall package of this cast. Never though he'd win this popularity contest, but never thought he'd leave so soon.
Said it for a couple weeks now, but no guy will beat ZZ in this fan voting unless they rig it. Despite what Billy Gunn believes, the guy is entertaining. Much more so than Gunn ever has been. I don't see him doing much in WWE but who knows. He's definitely unique and you can tell he gets sports entertainment....ironically he gets it more than 99% of the current company.
Said it for a couple weeks now, but no guy will beat ZZ in this fan voting unless they rig it. Despite what Billy Gunn believes, the guy is entertaining. Much more so than Gunn ever has been. I don't see him doing much in WWE but who knows. He's definitely unique and you can tell he gets sports entertainment....ironically he gets it more than 99% of the current company.
I don't think they've hit anywhere near rock bottom either. I just don't see this company turning it around w/o a change of direction. I don't think it's as simple as trying Attitude Era type stuff either. There's just a whole lot more competition for eyeballs today.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
No coincidence the WWE is going full out right now for ratings (Taker, NXT divas, Sting, etc..). They just got the 2nd lowest RAW rating (a week or so ago) in the past 20 years....
I don't think they've hit anywhere near rock bottom either. I just don't see this company turning it around w/o a change of direction. I don't think it's as simple as trying Attitude Era type stuff either. There's just a whole lot more competition for eyeballs today.
I don't think they've hit anywhere near rock bottom either. I just don't see this company turning it around w/o a change of direction. I don't think it's as simple as trying Attitude Era type stuff either. There's just a whole lot more competition for eyeballs today.
I also find it weird that Chelsea was a former background talent on WWE when Daniel Bryan met with the "therapist" she was the therapist.
I want Sara Lee but I figure they give it to Chelsea/Gigi
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
No coincidence the WWE is going full out right now for ratings (Taker, NXT divas, Sting, etc..). They just got the 2nd lowest RAW rating (a week or so ago) in the past 20 years....
I don't think they've hit anywhere near rock bottom either. I just don't see this company turning it around w/o a change of direction. I don't think it's as simple as trying Attitude Era type stuff either. There's just a whole lot more competition for eyeballs today.
I don't think they've hit anywhere near rock bottom either. I just don't see this company turning it around w/o a change of direction. I don't think it's as simple as trying Attitude Era type stuff either. There's just a whole lot more competition for eyeballs today.
OC Zed
Footballguy
I disagree, if they went back to TV-14 ratings their ratings would be ridiculous. American has become too sensitive and soft that it'll never happen. They like the PG era.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Balor has dollar signs written all over him. Good looking, super fit guy, the makeup gimmick is a merchanidising dream, incredible workrate...he is the only guy in their orbit who I could see overtaking Cena right now as being that over with kids.
But he's definitely older, I bet Cena's not more than 6 years older than him.
Bogart
Footballguy
I know I'm completely drinking the Kool-Aid, but after listening to Jeff Jarrett on Jericho's podcast, I'm a bit more interested in GFW.
If he can use the old territory strategy of sharing top talent to put over both promotions, he might just make a nice little niche in the market. Having a card with New Japan stars, ROH stars, AAA stars, Indie start etc, would be a very appealing watch.
If he can use the old territory strategy of sharing top talent to put over both promotions, he might just make a nice little niche in the market. Having a card with New Japan stars, ROH stars, AAA stars, Indie start etc, would be a very appealing watch.
Bogart
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Smack Tripper
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I think its just taker's final run, you'll see him here, survivor, the rumble and Mania.
Heard an amazing tidbit, and maybe it was even here so I apologize you read so much, but this is his first PPV appearance other than wrestlemania in 5 years. He needs to be reintroduced to this generation in some regard.
Craig_MiamiFL
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Jarrett is a good talker. And I don't mean that in a positive way. Guy said a year+ ago a ''wrestling boom'' is coming..... (it ain't happening Jeff)
The guy is doing shows at minor league parks with 50-100 paid people in attendance. It's a glorified indy fed based on Jeff's ''southern rasslin'' with Jarrett's name on it. It's another TNA with a 6 sided ring w/o the history.
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Bogart
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I can't disagree with anything that you are saying, but as someone who really wants to see alternatives to the WWE, I at least applaud the effort. Everything Jarrett does feels a decade behind, but maybe something hits.
I watch the indy guys like Johnny Gargano come through the area here and bust their ###, but have little shot to even make NXT much less WWE. Would love for them to have a place to make a living. Maybe ROH is that final spot for these guys. Will have to wait and see.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Yeah I don't fault the guy for trying. I just don't see anything besides WWE wrestling wise hitting in the US. (And even WWE has a rapidly dwindling fan base) I think Lucha Underground is as good a true alternative that'll come about. And they are even a bit limited in the # of people seeing it each week.
And no offense to the likes of Bobby Roode & Eric Young (2 of GFW's 'main attractions'). These guys aren't going to get people to attend. And I don't think Las Vegas (particularly in summertime) is going to have many people come out for their ''TV tapings".
GoFishTN
Footballguy
A. Those are sold shows, if 0 people paid it wouldn't matter to GFW.
B. I like how you imply southern style wrestling is a bad thing.
SlaX
Footballguy
No kidding. If Jim Crockett or Bill Watts or Fritz Von Erich's "southern rassin" was a thing today, I sure as hell wouldn't watching the bull#### that WWE puts on TV.
JB Breakfast Club
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MattFancy
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Bogart
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Is five weeks enough time for Rollins to turn on the Authority? I feel like Rollins/HHH happens, but maybe not until WM.
I agree with all of that except the workrate. Maybe I'm in the minority, but Finn's entrance and character stuff is light years ahead of his actual matches. I'm not sure he's had a great match yet in WWE. His best match(in my opinion) thus far was several months ago against Neville and it was good but nothing too special, especially since Neville could have a good match with pretty much anybody.
I think the guy who had a chance to overtake Cena was Daniel Bryan, unless they make some dramatic changes to their booking, nobody will overtake Cena, because nobody will get a chance to. I think Sami Zayn is the closest to tapping into the same things as Bryan did, but its unlikely he'll get that kind of push.
The other candidate(s) I thought was The Shield, once they turned face, they were getting the biggest crowd reactions for months, and from BOTH kids and adults. I think that could have been an NWO/DX-level cash cow if they'd kept them together as a face team for more than 3 months.
The problem they have, is that the ratings and merch sales go down when Cena loses, which they take the wrong lessons from. They tend to then have Cena "get his win back" which gets those merch sales back, but is ultimately the wrong move. They'd be better off sacrificing some short term ratings and merch sales, and establish multiple people who are "face of the company level" than just defaulting back to Cena all the time. I'm 99.9% certain they'd make more money long-term, if they just were willing to take a few more lumps right now. Besides, it isn't like they are in danger of going out of business.
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coyote5
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Thunderlips
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Prediction: Ambrose turns on Reigns and joins the Wyatt family at Summerslam.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Southern rasslin doesnt make money. And hasnt for 20+ years. Ask Cornette. Wrestling alone doesnt make money. 250 star matches with no characters or storylines won't make money.
Toby Keith made a terrible investment here. (Of course Jarrett won't lose a dime as he won't spend his own money) Wrestling isn't going through another ''boom''. (Notice how Jarrett never gives WHY he thinks wrestling will have another boom) It's just sad seeing these shows in 5000 seat minor league stadiums having 50 people in attendance.
Wish the guy all the luck in the world as he's gonna need it. Go look at the cards on his "Grand Slam Tour" and find 1 guy that one would pay to see. People weren't paying to see the likes of Magnus/Bobby Roode/Eric Young in TNA, they aren't going to start now IMO
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Bogart
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RBM
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Agree that Balor will be HUGE when he hits the main roster. That whole demon shtick is going to be a monster with kids. Plus he's got a fun move set with some high flying stuff. Only thing that can hold him back is he's under 200lbs, but he's got a great physique so they can probably work around that.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I mean Neville has great moves and he just doesn't paint myself. I have no faith that Balor becomes anything more than Sin Cara who is great with the kids and still a pre show match. If they don't book this right Balor will be Sin Cara either Sin Cara in a couple years. Balor would be perfect in cruiser weight division
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MindCrime
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I take my boys to almost every NXT taping and network special. Balor is over with everyone already, young and old, with the combination of character and in ring skills.. Watch the upcoming NXT shows, it seemed as though every other person there had either a Balor shirt, Balor plastic demon mask, or even the forearm bands with the red and black streamers on them. I'm not so sure even Vince can botch this guy when he hits the main roster.
On a side note.... When do we think the inevitable will happen and Vince starts letting HHH take the reigns of the main roster? It's been amazing what he's done taking FCW and turning it into NXT. Do we really have to wait until Vince is passed?
On a side note.... When do we think the inevitable will happen and Vince starts letting HHH take the reigns of the main roster? It's been amazing what he's done taking FCW and turning it into NXT. Do we really have to wait until Vince is passed?
Paulymaggs
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I don't agree much with you, but you're spot on here.Craig_MiamiFL said:
The South isn't ever going to make any wrestling promoter rich.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
Wwe.com removing all references to Hulk Hogan? Yikes...this is going to be bad.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Ridding of Hogan gives them an excuse to cancel Tough Enough altogether! 
Smack Tripper
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Hogan 
HellToupee
Footballguy
Poor Axel needs a new gimmick
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Next week is the two week Ultima Lucha event. The card:Bogart said:
LUCHA UNDERGROUND CHAMPIONSHIP
Mil Muertes w/ Catrina v. Prince Puma ©
LUCHA UNDERGROUND TRIOS TITLE
Disciples of Death v. Ivelisse, Son of Havoc and Angelico ©
GIFT OF THE GODS TITLE
Big Ryck v. Aerostar v. Bengala v. King Cuerno v. Sexy Star v. Jack Evans v. Fenix
BELIEVER'S BACKLASH
Drago v. Hernandez
(fans will be lumberjacks with leather straps to beat either wrestler who falls out of the ring)
FALLS COUNT ANYWHERE
The Mack v. Cage
Vampiro v. Pentagon, Jr.
Texano v. Blue Demon, Jr.
Alberto El Patron v. Johnny Mundo
Tom Servo
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Yeah, there has got to be a lot more to this story, because that seemed like no big deal at all.
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