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***Official Pro Wrestling Thread*** (3 Viewers)

Peak said:
Stone Cold used to do something like this and then it changed into repeating himself which then turned into the normal embracing where he would pause to hear it and pick back up in his promo.  He was the best I've seen work with the "WHAT" chants.  It wouldn't be bad to see again, but I could see where it would get old quickly.
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It seems it's just a new generation of audience these days.  They always crave interaction with the wrestlers.  It's been a long time since Austin.  Maybe a new guy seeking something... anything to get going might make it work.  At least for awhile.  Not try to replicate what Austin did with it, but act like it really gets you flustered and mad.  Jindar would have been a good candidate too, but he doesn't need anything to draw interaction.  

IIRC, before he became the Rock, Rocky was projected to be a baby face but the crowd didn't like him or his cheesy looks/approach.  He got awful chants like "Rocky Sucks!"  Things changed when he turned heel and joined the nation of domination.  The crowd embraced him as a heel and, like Austin, turned him into the superstar.  Not saying that would happen with Benjamin or anyone else, but it's still better than people ignoring you when you're out there.  

What is poor Chad Gable going to do on his own?  Just crickets.  He'd be great as a cruiser weight.  But no one likes any of them either.  

 
Jayrok said:
Already divorced where he lost a lot of money... He is lucky to get out of the wedding with Nikki, where since he likes the women, he'll likely do it again and end up losing more money... or maybe something worse.  He likes the women, so what?  He isn't marriage material at this stage of his life.  Again, so what?  Best thing for him to do is enjoy his life.  Make his cheesy movies, wrestle now and then.  He should run as far from Nikki as he can get.  Why get bogged down in a marriage when you're always traveling and have the means to do what you want, when you want?  There will be time to settle down later when he finds someone he actually falls in love with.  

I say run and keep running.  He should be trying to get up with Mandy Rose or Cathy Kelley, or Peyton Royce and her sweet cheeks.  .  
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I agree and disagree. No problem with a guy who is single sleeping around in his line of work. No different then the band who goes on tour and the band bangs a bunch of chicks. However when you're in a relationship already and doing this it just makes you look like a d-bag. What makes it worse is this guy had creative control even over Nikki and kept her in spots on the show she really didn't deserve to be in while keeping other more talented women off the show or given that spotlight. Cathy Kelly has apparently been dating Finn Balor though. My problem isn't the fact this dude is sleeping around it's that put together with what ever Female talent he's banging long enough eventually he has say over the direction they go in. Then depending how your break up goes he could go to upper management and talk trash on you were you might eventually be released. 

 
Jayrok said:
The Charlotte spot last night was good.  Made me chuckle when she dumped the table on Carmela and calmly walked up ramp.

Shelton Benjamin... he seems lost in the shuffle.  Always thought he was a decent worker but just never had an angle that would work for him.  

The crowd has been yelling "WHAT?" for 20 years.  As lame as it is, it just doesn't seem to be going away, no matter how they try to ignore it.  Someone needs to embrace it and go with it.  Could be the start of some good schtick.  Someone like Benjamin should come out and demand a rematch or something and when they say "WHAT?", he should go with it.  "I SAID.. I DEMAND A REMATCH."  "WHAT?" ...  "A REMATCH!"..  "WHAT?"...  "A REMA... STOP IT!!!.. YOU DON'T TREAT ME LIKE THIS!"  "WHAT?"... "Come down here and say that to my face."  "WHAT?"... "Say what one more time.. say it."  "WHAT?"  Then have him go berserk and beat up whoever is in the ring or ring side.  

Couldn't hurt.. might be the start of something he or someone could get going with every crowd.  It sure would beat the silence that many of them get when they come out there.  Anything would be better than that.  Kurt embraced the "YOU SUCK" chant with is music.  
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Carmela is good looking but man is her screaming annoying. Also TV doesn't do Charlotte's ### booty do justice. I was at the Smackdown after the Rumble and man that is a thing of beauty. 

Shelton can't do the WHAT? thing. That's something Stone Cold did for yrs and its kind of a staple. The crowds aren't as good because WWE puts on a ####ty product. I took a friend to the Smackdown after The Rumble. Being there the shows seem better then when watching on TV but the product overall is terrible. They need to get rid of this PC/PG crap. What made the product so good back then was great writing despite the talent IMHO being worse overall from an in ring standpoint. Today I almost feel embarrassed watching WWE. My buddies and I every Monday night would grab a six pack each and go to a friends house and watch RAW. Now almost no one wants to do it. 3 HRS of a sleep fest. Good thing is rumor is if Fox acquires WWE RAW Is probably going to 2 hrs. 

Shelton's work in Japan was amazing. He was great as a member of Suzuki-Gun (Minoru Suzuki's entrance theme might be one of the best today) and Pro Wrestling Noah. Shelton has always been a great in ring talent. Problem is in WWE he never fit their profile. I think after this money grab Saudi Show on Friday you could see Benjamin in the US Title picture. Him and Jeff Hardy going at it again would be pretty cool. Then debut Almas into that picture with maybe Dillinger. 

Angle embraced the YOU SUCK Chants because it was always shown to him as a sign of respect by the fans. Many fans thought Angle's WWE run was too short. But he also had major issues with drinking. Heck in TNA his wife was banging Double J and led to a messy divorce but one of IMHO's TNA's best ever storylines. However ANgle's mic works is abysmal right.

 
Jayrok said:
It seems it's just a new generation of audience these days.  They always crave interaction with the wrestlers.  It's been a long time since Austin.  Maybe a new guy seeking something... anything to get going might make it work.  At least for awhile.  Not try to replicate what Austin did with it, but act like it really gets you flustered and mad.  Jindar would have been a good candidate too, but he doesn't need anything to draw interaction.  

IIRC, before he became the Rock, Rocky was projected to be a baby face but the crowd didn't like him or his cheesy looks/approach.  He got awful chants like "Rocky Sucks!"  Things changed when he turned heel and joined the nation of domination.  The crowd embraced him as a heel and, like Austin, turned him into the superstar.  Not saying that would happen with Benjamin or anyone else, but it's still better than people ignoring you when you're out there.  

What is poor Chad Gable going to do on his own?  Just crickets.  He'd be great as a cruiser weight.  But no one likes any of them either.  
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Jinder is horrible. He might be one of the most unsafe workers right now in WWE and the only reason he was champ is he juiced up and Vince got a big hard on for him. Vince always has loved the Big Monster types. Fortunately for Vince Braun Strowman was way better then advertised. The problem is creative sucks. Vince is senile to what the fans want. Their house shows are barely selling out, RAW/Smackdown both have horrible attendance and they keep shoving Roman down everyones throats. There's a lot of lazy bookings. Not only that but not enough who care about their character. Kenny Omega left WWE because he didn't want to be another guy who was just glad to be there collecting a check. He made a name for himself. Cody Rhodes didn't want to do the Stardust anymore. He got his release and is a bigger hit now then ever before. Austin Aries and Neville left do to poor creative. CM Punk left because of similar reasons. It wasn't just because he wasn't main eventing Mania either but also he felt Daniel Bryan should've. 

Roman has to turn Heel. He's a failed experiment. I fully believe the WWE didn't clear Daniel Bryan because he was too over Vince's boy Roman. They've let Roman do everything from cursing that only select stats get to do, getting busted wide open, breaking the fourth wall and Monday night implanting fans cheering for him. He'll probably win at the Saudi Show since they love him over there and knew at Wrestlemania if he won the fans would riot. I use to love Brock Lesnar but the reality is he's only there for a paycheck and doesn't care a dam about the business. He'll keep using UFC as his way to get a payday from Vince. However I'd rather take Brock as Champ then going through a Roman Embarrassment. If you followed the internet rumors the last 2 yrs you knew this past Mania's main Event was Roman vs Brock. The product has become predictable. 

No one cares about the cruiserweights do to Vince turning them all into a joke. HHH got more creative control on 205 Live now and has steadily made it more enjoyable. I'm shocked how well Alexa's fiancée Buddy Murphy is doing there. New look wrestling gear wise and all. Ali and Alexander put on some good matches. Mark Andrews is phenomenal in the division. Glad they turned Gulak from being a joke. I use to watch his CZW matches a lot. TJP is also great. I think once Hunter gets more creative control we'll see a better overall WWE product. HHH seems to understand what the fans want in the product. One thing this product needs is stables. Remember back in the day with all the stables how you mixed and matched storylines and rivalries? NJPW/ROH do it so well these days. I'd love to see Hunter create the WWE's version of Bullet club putting Balor/Styles/Anderson/Gallows together. Put the Shield Back together, Have either an ROH stable or guys like Cole/ReDragon team with Balor Club since Cole was a part of Bullet Club. The Stables give you more options for storylines as well. We need more tournaments too but Vince hates them. Most of these network Tournaments we've had are all by HHH and William Regal. Also they need find better writers.  

 
Surprised they are not getting more flak for going to Saudi Arabia and not allowing any of their women to compete. Especially in these times.

 
shadyridr said:
Surprised they are not getting more flak for going to Saudi Arabia and not allowing any of their women to compete. Especially in these times.
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They have been doing shows in the area for years. This one just happens to be well-funded enough to make parts of it kayfabe canon.

It doesn't really excuse this being anything more than a moneygrab, just saying.

 
Well if you ever wondered if WWE added 'crowd effect' to entrances....  :lmao:  

Wish something was at stake for "Greatest Royal Rumble". At least if Roman wins.....they won't boo. Safe to assume won't cheer either.  :lol:  

 
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Stupid ESPN notifications telling me who is winning matches, had to turn it off before the entire card was given away.

 
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
:goodposting:  Can't come soon enough. Their program :yawn:  . Underdog Roman garbage hasnt worked for over 3 years now.  Maybe he'll get yet another rematch for some reason. Poor Roman going against all odds.
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The struggle is real for muscle-bound 6 footers, yo. 

 
On the 9th anniversary of the death of Playboy Buddy Rose, here’s his face turn where kids storm the ring after the match. He also issues apologies to Billy Jack Haynes and Curt Henning. 

 
shadyridr said:
Surprised they are not getting more flak for going to Saudi Arabia and not allowing any of their women to compete. Especially in these times.
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Oh trust me they are getting a ton right now. I think they are getting more now then in the beginning because it didn't sink in until the past RAW/Smackdown ended that people didn't realize the women weren't in it at all. WWE got $200M for over next 10 yrs. This was all a political ploy by the 32 Yrs old Prince who has a 2030 initiative to bring in entertainment like WWE and other stuff to SA. Other things like movies, getting their own entertainment industry etc. There's been some rumors that maybe in the next few yrs Women will be allowed to wrestle over there. Look I hate how WWE looks hypocritical for this but I'm also happy Saudi Arabia is moving forward to an extent with the times. The PPV however was nothing special. It was a total botch fest I think Lashley botched his Suplex on Big E that was turned into a brain buster, Jinder botched in the Hardy match and lets not Forget Titus sliding head first into Home plate under the ring. 

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Well if you ever wondered if WWE added 'crowd effect' to entrances....  :lmao:  

Wish something was at stake for "Greatest Royal Rumble". At least if Roman wins.....they won't boo. Safe to assume won't cheer either.  :lol:  
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It seemed like half the crowd booed Roman. Plus it did seem like there was a lot of Crowd effect plugged in. 

 
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
:goodposting:  Can't come soon enough. Their program :yawn:  . Underdog Roman garbage hasnt worked for over 3 years now.  Maybe he'll get yet another rematch for some reason. Poor Roman going against all odds.
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It's really sad and embarrassing everything they've done to get Roman over the last few yrs. Non sadder then the Roman Plants on Monday Night or IMHO not clearing DB because he was more over and still is over Roman. As well as rumors that they moved Somoa Joe to Smackdown for Reigns. 

 
DJackson10 said:
Really? It was your typical boring snooze fest between the two Nothing special and all signature moves and Finishers. Just end this god dam feud already and for Christ sake our Roman heel
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It's the actual way they'd fight each other. They throw bombs trying to put each other away. It's the two manliest men trying to wreck each other without mercy. The chair shots were brutal. The final bump was pretty insane for guys that size. 

You want Roman pulling a chin lock? Brock throwing dropkicks? IMO, the cruiserwights are the boring part. I ain't tuning in WWE to see ballet. Different matches for different parts of the audience. 

 
DJackson10 said:
It's really sad and embarrassing everything they've done to get Roman over the last few yrs. Non sadder then the Roman Plants on Monday Night or IMHO not clearing DB because he was more over and still is over Roman. As well as rumors that they moved Somoa Joe to Smackdown for Reigns. 
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Lol, yeah, WWE left millions of DB mercy sales on the table to appease Roman, who they won't even put the belt on. Lay off the dirt sheets. 

 
JB Breakfast Club said:
It's the actual way they'd fight each other. They throw bombs trying to put each other away. It's the two manliest men trying to wreck each other without mercy. The chair shots were brutal. The final bump was pretty insane for guys that size. 

You want Roman pulling a chin lock? Brock throwing dropkicks? IMO, the cruiserwights are the boring part. I ain't tuning in WWE to see ballet. Different matches for different parts of the audience. 
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I've seen women throw better chair shots. Heck I've seen better chair shots thrown at a live ECW event. The Finish was your typical #### finish when you don't want the title change. No I want better character for Roman instead of this stupid Roman against all odds. If incredible painful to watch. He has zero character for me. Heck even Rosie wanted his brother heel. Every time I hear someone say The Big Dog I want to cringe. 

I liked Brock in his younger days but he clearly is only there for a paycheck and doesn't care. Roman needs a character change in a big way. Also Finishers are suppose to finish the match not keep it entertaining. It's your typical lazy booking to create some sort of drama with two guys in the ring who can't create themselves. I've rather watch AJ Styles wrestle a bam Broomstick then watch those two in the ring. Brock vs Roman is your typical big man snooze fest these days. Heck Bruan is big but at least he has character and entertaining. Plus he moves like a freak in there. If you want a big guy as the Champ it should be Braun. Everything they've done to put Roman over isn't working. Even the Saudi's don't like him. It's your schtick they did with Cena that made people hate him over the yrs.  

 
JB Breakfast Club said:
Lol, yeah, WWE left millions of DB mercy sales on the table to appease Roman, who they won't even put the belt on. Lay off the dirt sheets. 
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I'm starting to think you're some Roman mark that thinks everything he does is amazing. If you can't see all the cheap things they've done to get this guy over in the last 3 yrs then I really don't know what else to say.   :wall:

 
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Vince apparently was laughing so hard he was in tears. He also called the production crew to show several replays. When Titus got backstage Vince shook his hand and gave him a pat on the back. 

 
Watching an episode of WCW Thunder and came across a Lex Luger promo on WWE Network. Everytime I hear him cut a promo I can't help to think Roman Reigns. Guys that look like a million bucks but just never connect(ed) with the audience. At least Luger had some energy in his promos at times.

Just amazing the lengths they're going/gone to get Reigns to connect with the crowd. How long Elias been on the main roster? And how long exactly did it take him to connect with the audience? It took him a matter of months to do what Reigns hasn't been able to do in years. They don't even have a good reason to keep Reigns babyface anymore with Elias/Braun. Throw Rollins in there too if you want.

 
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You just aren't tired of Elias yet. Let me guess, Elias should be beating everyone or WWE is stupid and wasting him...sounds a lot like early Roman booking. 

Think back on Romans first few years with the shield and how over he was. WWE's issue is waiting too long to pull the trigger on guys. Roman needed to win the Rumble one year earlier - the crowd was way into him in the final four that year. The main event of Mania this year should have been Roman vs Braun, IMO (whispers: don't forget that Roman got Braun over, you guys). Those guys busted ### all year and deserved it. The WWE is getting close to waiting too long on Braun too...

 
JB Breakfast Club said:
Think back on Romans first few years with the shield and how over he was. WWE's issue is waiting too long to pull the trigger on guys. Roman needed to win the Rumble one year earlier - the crowd was way into him in the final four that year. The main event of Mania this year should have been Roman vs Braun, IMO (whispers: don't forget that Roman got Braun over, you guys). Those guys busted ### all year and deserved it. The WWE is getting close to waiting too long on Braun too...
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I can pinpoint exactly where he lost the crowd.

Once the Shield split, Ambrose went after Rollins and Reigns went into a program with Orton.  He beat Orton in the co-main of Summerslam 14 with good crowd support.  Brock of course squashed Cena and the two looked to be on a collision course.

Then Reigns got injured.

Then Reigns won the Slammy for Superstar of the year.  Despite not having held any title that year and missing the last 1/3 of the year.

Then Reigns won the worst-booked Royal Rumble ever, the one where the returning Daniel Bryan and many others were coldcocked and effortlessly eliminated by the overplayed duo of Big Show and Kane, only for Reigns to save the day at the very end.

What had started as an organic build to Brock-Roman with good fanfare became Roman getting shoved down everyone's throats.  Had they given Roman time to build himself back up without a hamhanded Slammy endorsement and allowed Daniel Bryan to have his moment first, Roman could have been exactly what the McMahons wanted.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Watching some old Lex Luger promos on WWE Network. Everytime I hear him cut a promo I can't help to think Roman Reigns. Guys that look like a million bucks but just never connect(ed) with the audience. At least Luger had some energy in his promos at times.

Just amazing the lengths they're going/gone to get Reigns to connect with the crowd. How long Elias been on the main roster? And how long exactly did it take him to connect with the audience? It took him a matter of months to do what Reigns hasn't been able to do in years. They don't even have a good reason to keep Reigns babyface anymore with Elias/Braun. Throw Rollins in there too if you want.
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It's just hard to watch this point. The podcast I listen to said months ago by The Raw after Mania the crowd will explode for Elias. Sure enough they did. Though I don't know how well he'd go over as a face with his gimmick. I actually like his gimmick with the heel aspects to it. Maybe have him more as a tweaner. Honestly 5 yrs ago I can't believe I'd say this today but I cannot wait till HHH takes over Vince's day to day jobs on Monday's and Tuesday's nights. What he's done with 205 and NxT is mind blowing amazing. 

 
JB Breakfast Club said:
You just aren't tired of Elias yet. Let me guess, Elias should be beating everyone or WWE is stupid and wasting him...sounds a lot like early Roman booking. 

Think back on Romans first few years with the shield and how over he was. WWE's issue is waiting too long to pull the trigger on guys. Roman needed to win the Rumble one year earlier - the crowd was way into him in the final four that year. The main event of Mania this year should have been Roman vs Braun, IMO (whispers: don't forget that Roman got Braun over, you guys). Those guys busted ### all year and deserved it. The WWE is getting close to waiting too long on Braun too...
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Uh he wasn't as over as Dean was. The Crowd was not into him at all. The Philly Rumble I was there and I thought there was gonna be a literal riot and flash back to Bash at The Beach Hogan Heel turn or the riot the Dudley's got with chairs and everything thrown into the ring. People were chanting Bull####, #### You Roman, etc. The people who go to the big 4 PPVs are usually the diehard big WWE crowds. The ones who were the big reason WWE/F won the Monday Night Wars. Bryan or Punk should've won the Rumble before Reigns did. There was no reason for Batista to win it the year you are talking about. People liked Reigns in The Sheild because he looked cool myself included but the minute he was shoved down our throats like the face of the Company people turned on him. Braun was over because of his time with Wyatt and then he got over on his own. The Main Event this year should've been Styles/Nakamura considering that little Summary that The RR winner GETS TO MAIN EVENT WRESTLEMANIA little note thats in there but for whatever reason WWE doesn't even following their own rules unless it helps them with a storyline. Braun should be going over Roman. A lot of people are. Roman gets a reaction yes but it's not in a good way at all. Most of Reigns family is tired of his character and wants it changed too. 

Uh No I like Elias because he's entertaining. Knows how to work a crowd plus has good mic Skills he's got some good in ring skills but its nothing compared to HBK/Styles/Omega/etc. 

 
Keith R said:
I can pinpoint exactly where he lost the crowd.

Once the Shield split, Ambrose went after Rollins and Reigns went into a program with Orton.  He beat Orton in the co-main of Summerslam 14 with good crowd support.  Brock of course squashed Cena and the two looked to be on a collision course.

Then Reigns got injured.

Then Reigns won the Slammy for Superstar of the year.  Despite not having held any title that year and missing the last 1/3 of the year.

Then Reigns won the worst-booked Royal Rumble ever, the one where the returning Daniel Bryan and many others were coldcocked and effortlessly eliminated by the overplayed duo of Big Show and Kane, only for Reigns to save the day at the very end.

What had started as an organic build to Brock-Roman with good fanfare became Roman getting shoved down everyone's throats.  Had they given Roman time to build himself back up without a hamhanded Slammy endorsement and allowed Daniel Bryan to have his moment first, Roman could have been exactly what the McMahons wanted.
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Punk talked about this on the Colt Cabanna podcast after walking out of WWE. Also when he was still doing appearances and talking wrestling he made it clear he didn't walk out just because he thought he should've main event Wrestlemania but he'd have been happy if it was Daniel Bryan or even both of them or one of the other guys who was there all year instead of giving handy's to the part time guys the spot. Those guys were taking spots away from more deserving talent. Also how are we suppose to believe WWE Drs on DB when Punk also said his lump the WWE said was nothing his wife sent him to one of her Drs and the guy said he had a staph Infection and had he waited another week he'd probably be dead? 

Also don't forget Roman's positive drug test so he was suspended 30 days. Any other Superstar and their Title opportunity not only was out the window but they probably get buried to the bottom of the roster. Roman and WWE lost the fans do to the fact his push was never genuine. It was pushed down our throats day 1 instead of letting Roman Marinate and letting Punk/Bryan do their thing. 

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Watching an episode of WCW Thunder and came across a Lex Luger promo on WWE Network. Everytime I hear him cut a promo I can't help to think Roman Reigns. Guys that look like a million bucks but just never connect(ed) with the audience. At least Luger had some energy in his promos at times.

Just amazing the lengths they're going/gone to get Reigns to connect with the crowd. How long Elias been on the main roster? And how long exactly did it take him to connect with the audience? It took him a matter of months to do what Reigns hasn't been able to do in years. They don't even have a good reason to keep Reigns babyface anymore with Elias/Braun. Throw Rollins in there too if you want.
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Time to break out the Roman Express. 

 
Tom Servo said:
Time to break out the Roman Express. 
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I was talking to some friends who went to Wrestlemania this year. People legit walked out and were chanting boring during the main event. My buddy who lives in Bos took the train decked out in full Bullet Club and in South Carolina a girl got on the train and sat right next to him. Turns out if was Amber O'Neil (ex wife of Luke Gallows) and she looks at him and asks "So you're a big Bullet Club fan huh? Well I'm the original Bullet Babe." It was pretty cool and she acknowledged him in an Instagram post. She talked about The Club, being in Japan etc. Basically she said yeah the Bullet Club and the guys there it's not what it all seems like. Gave out of a lot dirt. My buddy when he got off the train and came home a few days later said it sounded more like Sour Grapes she was no longer involved and nothing she said really changed his mind. Said a lot of the stuff was typical BS all wrestlers go through. Sounded more like she couldn't handle the spot light more then anything. His seats at Mania were all up top he thinks it was the Family section as the section over not 5 feet from him was Matt Hardy and Jeff Hardy's family. Both wives, kids, Senior Benjamin etc. He's got pictures and everything. However he admitted he probably should've just done the access stuff, WWE HoF on Friday, The Takeover and then went home Sunday. Didn't think despite everything he did with Mania meeting who he did the price of admission was worth what he got product wise. He basically said whole Sections started leaving after The Styles/Nakamura and then Braun Strawman thing. Nikolas is also one of the WWE refs sons. 

 
DJackson10 said:
Vince apparently was laughing so hard he was in tears. He also called the production crew to show several replays. When Titus got backstage Vince shook his hand and gave him a pat on the back. 
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 I couldn’t believe they showed all those replays.  I was just dying and it is sad that was the highlight of the night. 

 I have to say I was very excited about watching that event, but wow was it a snooze fest.  It was like all the matches were in slow motion. The 50 man RR was just terrible and boring. Half those guys wouldn’t have gotten any pop coming out in the US. 

 
I thought the Styles/Nakamura match was far better than their WM edition, at least up until the lame double count out.  Are they running this all the way to SummerSlam?

 
Interesting that Braun came out last night to save Roman from the beatdown by KO, Zane and Jinder, then teamed up in a 6 man tag

 
The crowd is all-in on Rollins right now. He's your guy to take the belt off Brock. 

Or we could just watch Reigns and Lesnar exchange finishing moves for 5-10 minutes yet again this summer. 

 
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