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***Official Pro Wrestling Thread*** (3 Viewers)

Undertaker's forehead is winning.  Overtaker?  Made quick work of Baron Corbin and is ready to take on all challenges.  Peyton Manning could not be reached for comment.  

 
hagmania said:
Shane does not make any backstage creative decisions. He is talent only.

Granted, he could bow out gracefully.
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So this is Hunter's idea?  Or Vince?  Too much talent twiddling thumbs back there to keep up this silly Best In The World schtick from the boss's son. 

 
Has anyone done any real-time research on WWE within the past few years about actual in-ring wrestling time per show?

Like the study that came out a few years ago with the NFL that said like only 7 1/2 minutes of actual plays being run per broadcast. I would be very interested in seeing something like that. Wrestling Vs promos Vs commercials.

 
ShamrockPride said:
Has anyone done any real-time research on WWE within the past few years about actual in-ring wrestling time per show?

Like the study that came out a few years ago with the NFL that said like only 7 1/2 minutes of actual plays being run per broadcast. I would be very interested in seeing something like that. Wrestling Vs promos Vs commercials.
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Seen it done a few times for the weekly stuff but not an avg. A few months ago we had 10 mins of wrestling on a 3hour RAW. The opening promo took 30 mins itself 

 
Jayrok said:
Does Shane really believe him being in the ring for 20+ minutes of every episode is in the best interest of the company?  Or what the viewers want to see?  Geez get over yourself. 
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Shane doesn't make any decisions. Vince does when it comes to the main roster. 

 
Kenny Omega had a few choice words for WWE running an Evolve 131 stream the same night for a charity event AEW is doing Fight For the Fallen Kenny calls out WWE for taking blood money 

"As noted, WWE announced today that the WWE Network will stream EVOLVE's 10th Anniversary Celebration on Saturday, July 13 at 8pm ET. The special, airing as a part of the EVOLVE 131 event from Philadelphia, will feature WWE NXT Champion Adam Cole vs. Akira Tozawa with the title on the line, Matt Riddle vs. WWE Cruiserweight Champion Drew Gulak in a non-title match, and more. You can read the announcement on the special at this link.

Many fans have pointed to how the WWE Network EVOLVE stream is airing on the same night as AEW's Fight for the Fallen event from Jacksonville, FL. This event will have a portion of the proceeds donated to victims of gun violence.

It should be noted that the EVOLVE 131 date was first announced back in mid-May. We don't know when WWE began negotiating for the livestream. AEW first announced the details on Fight for the Fallen during the first week of March.

AEW Executive Vice President Kenny Omega has fans talking on social media today after a tweet he made on the EVOLVE - WWE special. He apparently called out WWE for working with Saudi Arabia.

4:45PM ET UPDATE: Omega has deleted his original tweet that apparently knocked WWE for their working relationship with the Saudis. His new tweet, also seen below, reads like this: "I've said my piece and it opened the door to a very toxic environment. It wasn't a message to fans, or the boys, just the decision makers. I wish everyone wrestling on any show that day all the best. That is all.""

"If lining your pockets with blood money is okay, then what's wrong with trying to undermine a charity show for victims of gun violence? I hear that healthy competition is supposed to be a good thing and yet I can't help but feel like I'm gonna be sick,"

 
Per Brad Sheppard

According to a source in #WWE, certain folks at Fox are not impressed with this week’s numbers (#WWEStompingGrounds included) and are meeting this weekend with Vince, Triple H, Stephanie and a couple of producers to address any concerns and changes. #SDLive

According to a source in #WWE, @RusevBUL wants out, but @LanaWWE is pushing him to re-sign. He expects her to follow him if talks fall through.

According to a source in #WWE, the company is interested in promoting Matt Riddle to the main roster going into Fox. As I previously reported on #OYDKWS, he’ll eventually get his chance as long as his inappropriate tweeting was a lesson learned.

According to a source in #WWE, New Day’s merch sales are dipping. The internal thought is if Kofi Kingston’s merch sales continue to dip, that could give Vince McMahon incentive to have him drop the title and not “delay the inevitable.” #SDLive

According to a high level source in #WWE, the company’s strategy going into Fox isn’t just about which WWE show will be the ‘A’ show (between SD & Raw), but it’s about WWE presenting themselves as the “A” pro wrestling/sports entertainment company, as #AEW airs on TNT.

 
Eric is wonderful for helping companies bleed through money. 👍 And WWE's got the Saudi money. He's not going to help their creative at all. Guy is a zero in that department. 

He's not going to resolve all their creative issues but have to be a lot more optimistic about Heyman at least improving things creatively than Bischoff.

 
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I think this has to be a net positive overall.

Programming was reflecting Vince's deteriorating mental faculties. It was about to get weird. Then again, who knows... with Eric Bischoff in charge it might get weird anyway.

 
All Vince knows and values is the people from his heyday in the 90s, Paul and Eric doesn't surprise me, his 2 biggest competitors as the industry was exploding. Now all he needs to do is hire Russo for creative and it'll come full circle.

 
Gary Coal Man said:
Monumental shift for the WWE....

WWE names Paul Heyman and Eric Bischoff Executive Directors of Raw and SmackDown LIVE

https://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/article/paul-heyman-eric-bischoff-executive-directors-raw-smackdown-live?sf214941408=1&fbclid=IwAR0VN3aV0m7vDVw0vJXa_o_V621RzQaZy188MdtLAM6c5GQ854AEu8R6Eto

Do you think Vince is maybe a little worried about AEW?
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No remember the post I put of Sheppard's tweet of Fox meeting with WWE execs because they were not fans of recent ratings and all? Direct correlations with this. FOX has an opt out clause with WWE too. I don't know if that clause also allows them to get out of the contract completely before it starts. Both Heyman and Bischoff will go directly to Vince still. You might see bigger changes when they go to FOX though. 

 
hagmania said:
It's a very interesting change, but why not Paul and Paul?

Bischoff...  :lmao:
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Bischoff is a hell of a guy and has some fantastic ideas. The problem in WCW was he let the boys run the shows. He basically Let Hogan and those egos run the show do to the big paydays guaranteed they were getting. A few people have told me from what they've heard EB told a few people when he was with WWE had those contracts not been guaranteed he probably would have let them go. Also Turner had more say in what WCW was to do creatively then EB had and Turner wasn't a wrestling fan. 

 
ShamrockPride said:
All Vince knows and values is the people from his heyday in the 90s, Paul and Eric doesn't surprise me, his 2 biggest competitors as the industry was exploding. Now all he needs to do is hire Russo for creative and it'll come full circle.
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Paul was really good as the creative guy for SDL when he was there. He quit because Steph as the GM had way too much input on the show and Heyman said he was not given the freedom he was promised. 

 
DJackson10 said:
Also Turner had more say in what WCW was to do creatively then EB had and Turner wasn't a wrestling fan. 
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Everything I’ve heard is that Ted Turner wanted wrestling on his network because the high ratings for Georgia Championship Wrestling (the first wrestling Turner had on TV) were the cornerstone of TBS in its early day.  As far as creative input, however, Turner had none and no particular desire to have any.

 
DJackson10 said:
Paul was really good as the creative guy for SDL when he was there. He quit because Steph as the GM had way too much input on the show and Heyman said he was not given the freedom he was promised. 
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Russo quit cause of Steph too. She's awful.

 
Gary Coal Man said:
Everything I’ve heard is that Ted Turner wanted wrestling on his network because the high ratings for Georgia Championship Wrestling (the first wrestling Turner had on TV) were the cornerstone of TBS in its early day.  As far as creative input, however, Turner had none and no particular desire to have any.
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Correct in some parts however the story has changed and from who I talked with Turner had far more input on what to do creative wise then anything especially the final few yrs. It's why the final yrs was so bad. Turner got too involved and Bischoff basically told them had very little desire anymore to run the shows because Turner wasn't backing them with the $$$ anymore yet wanted more input on creative. 

 
ShamrockPride said:
Russo quit cause of Steph too. She's awful.
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Yep Steph for as good looking as she is, well she's quite the ##### and a hypocrite. Some of the ladies backstage are also upset about her taking full credit for the women's revolution when it was Hunters idea to begin with to get the ladies more time and revamp the division. It's something that VKM allowed Hunter to do, so he can get his feet wet. Most of the girls hate how Steph goes around with the whole We love our women yet we just took blood money from the Saudis and can't have them. Some people felt it was a low blow to the division The PPV for them as a crumb because they couldn't compete at the PPV. 

It's also why some hate their Be A Star campaign. Punk's Pipebomb was abut to expose that whole hypocrisy. WWE employees bully people constantly. Vince is the biggest when it comes to these antics and JBL was like a lucky especially with the raunollo stuff. Hunter talked Mauro to comeback and said he could do NXT instead get away from Vince as he's never there and let him be himself. Having Nigel with him was also huge. Paul loves Mauro and felt bad but Paul is also part of the CM Punk tryout where he and HBK ridiculed the dude big time. WWE's Be A Star campaign is all hypocrisy. 

 
Justin Barrasso just ripped off Brad Sheppard with the Undertaker/McIntyre news. Didn't even give him credit. I swear the main Dirt Sheets hate Brad. I guess because he speaks the truth and reports stuff the others don't because they want to keep WWE sources. 

 
Trevor Dame @TrevorDame

"Recently Dave said he thought that one difference he saw in Vince now is that he no longer has confidence in his own ideas, that he was listening to everyone. If these two have real power, this certainly feels like the move of a guy who is admitting to himself that he's lost."

 
Per Brad Sheppard sounds like the new Execs won't start until Late July early Aug as a fan asked Brad if they start next week or when we could see changes. 

Right now it sounds like late July or early August, with lots of meetings with writers and producers taking place, likely before Summerslam.

spoke with a source in #WWE about Paul Heyman and Eric Bischoff being named Executive Directors. Fox (the biggest reason) and #AEW both led to this decision by Vince McMahon. Two meetings were scheduled with each of them separately, and then one together. 1/2

After a contract negotiation, they accepted the offer on Tuesday evening. I’m told they are going to have significant powers over both producers and writers. #WWE 2/2

To add to this, the same source has indicated that this fall will have the biggest exodus of NXT call-ups to the main roster to date. I’m told the week of the changeover to Fox will effect #RAW just as much. #WWE

Also, this means that a few names in #NXT will be on the chopping block to control the flow. They’re going to be more open to letting non-essential talent go. #WWE

The same source also told me Triple H was offered Eric Bischoff’s Executive Director role on #SDLive under the condition that he juggle NXT as well, and he declined.

Also that last part of the chopping block last sentence of WWE letting non essential talent go. Remember when I posted back a few months ago about WWE talent asking for releases and WWE hesitant to give releases because of AEW DoN and AEW weekly show in October. Well I also said and this was suggested to me WWE will look too get rid of talent near or around that time period. Guys like Eric Rowan could be released at that time with a possible non compete clause that goes into Jan of 2020. WWE knows he's talented. 

 
I can't imagine to many guys that would have been worse hires than Bischoff over creative/brand. Legitimately he offers zero creatively. Not to mention he's not well liked by many outside of the guys he handed blank checks to 20 years ago.. Any positive from the Heyman hire is offset (and then some) by Bischoff. Really only shows how out of touch Vince really is to think Bischoff offers much of anything. Just amazing to think Dixie Carter isn't the last person this guy conned.

Oh to be a fly on the wall to see AJ Styles reaction of the Bischoff news :lmao:  

 
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Craig_MiamiFL said:
I can't imagine to many guys that would have been worse hires than Bischoff over creative/brand. Legitimately he offers zero creatively. Not to mention he's not well liked by many outside of the guys he handed blank checks to 20 years ago.. Any positive from the Heyman hire is offset (and then some) by Bischoff. Really only shows how out of touch Vince really is to think Bischoff offers much of anything. Just amazing to think Dixie Carter isn't the last person this guy conned.

Oh to be a fly on the wall to see AJ Styles reaction of the Bischoff news :lmao:  
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I disagree with you on this. I think he had plenty of creative ideas back in the day. Now whether he can bring that to today's fans.....that is yet to be determined.

 
The issue with Bischoff is he is out of touch with the modern-day industry.

The NWO, cruiserweights and general party atmosphere were all great ideas from EB. I am cautiously optimistic, but it is apparent he either A) doesn't know much about the business today or B) is for some reason acting like he doesn't.

 
DJackson10 said:
Also Turner had more say in what WCW was to do creatively then EB had and Turner wasn't a wrestling fan. 
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This is BS. Ted Turner was a HUGE fan of wrestling since TBS was channel 17 in Atlanta. Between Andy Griffin reruns and wrestling is where Ted made his money. 

It was the suits at Turner that wanted rid of wrestling, and after the deal with AOL, Ted has less power to stop the anti-wrestling faction. 

 
ShamrockPride said:
All Vince knows and values is the people from his heyday in the 90s, Paul and Eric doesn't surprise me, his 2 biggest competitors as the industry was exploding. Now all he needs to do is hire Russo for creative and it'll come full circle.
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Is this :sarcasm: ? There's enough Russo fanbois so I'm not sure.

 
Let's also not forget that wrestling is - at it's core - a carnival act. Wrestling has long had con men, double dealers and liars of various stripes. I wouldn't be surprised if EB just BS'ed his way into a job.  Heyman?  Heck, you can just look at him and tell he's perfect fit for the business. I respect Heyman a lot, but he's still a carny at heart.

 
hagmania said:
The issue with Bischoff is he is out of touch with the modern-day industry.

The NWO, cruiserweights and general party atmosphere were all great ideas from EB. I am cautiously optimistic, but it is apparent he either A) doesn't know much about the business today or B) is for some reason acting like he doesn't.
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This. 

He has zero connections with today's wrestler. Go watch his TNA run. He connected with none of the existing wrestlers. Unfortunately for him those same wrestlers he completely ignored (AJ/Joe) are prominent guys on WWE programming today. He was still pushing #### like Hogan/The Nasty Boys/RVD (who, no offense, was well past his prime and solely there for a paycheck). Outside of him talking/conning network execs or playing the part of the nauseating "authority" figure, not going to end well for him IMO. He just doesn't add anything at all today. He lacks the social skills to work with most people and in particular today's wrestler.. This isn't WCW where he's handing out the blank checks so he can be boys with the boys....

Hiring Eric Bischoff in 2019 is just proving only more how much VInce is completely out of touch.

 
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Craig_MiamiFL said:
This. 

He has zero connections with today's wrestler. Go watch his TNA run. He connected with none of the existing wrestlers. Unfortunately for him those same wrestlers he completely ignored (AJ/Joe) are prominent guys on WWE programming today. He was still pushing #### like Hogan/The Nasty Boys/RVD (who, no offense, was well past his prime and solely there for a paycheck). Outside of him talking/conning network execs or playing the part of the nauseating "authority" figure, not going to end well for him IMO. He just doesn't add anything at all today. He lacks the social skills to work with most people and in particular today's wrestler.. This isn't WCW where he's handing out the blank checks so he can be boys with the boys....

Hiring Eric Bischoff in 2019 is just proving only more how much VInce is completely out of touch.
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I would say that - if I were laying betting odds - that Bischoff would be the first to be fired and Heyman would be the first to quit. EB because he's sucking at the job and it's not changing anything or Heyman because he couldn't take Vince's thumb on his work.

 
ShamrockPride said:
Trevor Dame @TrevorDame

"Recently Dave said he thought that one difference he saw in Vince now is that he no longer has confidence in his own ideas, that he was listening to everyone. If these two have real power, this certainly feels like the move of a guy who is admitting to himself that he's lost."
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I don't trust Meltzer on WWE stuff anymore like I use too. He's no longer their little Kiss ### who gives everything out. SI, ESPN and Justin Barrassoo are now. SI was given the Exclusive with JB for Yesterday's news.

 
hagmania said:
The issue with Bischoff is he is out of touch with the modern-day industry.

The NWO, cruiserweights and general party atmosphere were all great ideas from EB. I am cautiously optimistic, but it is apparent he either A) doesn't know much about the business today or B) is for some reason acting like he doesn't.
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disagree here. I met him at a convention 2 yrs ago. I was one of the last people and just happened to almost accidentally bump into him. I apologized without recognizing him at first and when I did not embarrassed to say I marked out a bit. He was really friendly. I was asking him about today's industry, seeing if he could give some info on being in TNA and what changes he'd make. I was surprised at how much he kept in touch with what fans wanted today and that he watched NJPW and ROH and other shows to get ideas. 

 
Tom Servo said:
This is BS. Ted Turner was a HUGE fan of wrestling since TBS was channel 17 in Atlanta. Between Andy Griffin reruns and wrestling is where Ted made his money. 

It was the suits at Turner that wanted rid of wrestling, and after the deal with AOL, Ted has less power to stop the anti-wrestling faction. 
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My point is Turner or whoever was pumping the most $$$ into WCW at the time didn't care for it anymore and pumping less in but wanted to still have most of the final say

 
Tom Servo said:
Let's also not forget that wrestling is - at it's core - a carnival act. Wrestling has long had con men, double dealers and liars of various stripes. I wouldn't be surprised if EB just BS'ed his way into a job.  Heyman?  Heck, you can just look at him and tell he's perfect fit for the business. I respect Heyman a lot, but he's still a carny at heart.
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I'd pay 100$ just to sit in the back of a theatre if it was to hear Heyman talk about the business. That guy is a real gem and we are fortunate he is healthy enough to be doing a lot of this still. I might be biased since ECW is literally my "Home team" (being started in Philly), but I think had Paul with his creative skills and had a real backer handling $$$ for ECW it'd be around today and doing very well. One Night Stand 2005 showed people were still interested and it still has a cult like following today. The wrestlers from talking to Sandman, Dudley's and others all loved and respected Heyman despite the fact he never paid them on time like Tommy Dreamer said on the WWE Network Special with Corey Graves they did awhile back. Hell whenever he has a chance Corey still raves about ECW. When he was doing NXT commentary it was routinely thing. 

 
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