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[DJackson10]

The IWGP Women's title match just writes itself. Kaire left Japan when May Iwatani was first starting there and looked up to KAIRE. KAIRE was signing with WWE when she left. Mayu felt betrayed and still holds a legit grudge over this with Kaire. I'm not sure how KAIRE feels about this as this is more of less something people in Japan living there are more aware of. Joshi Pro there's feuds that won't really make sense because info for it never makes it off the main island of Japan and leaves foreigners wondering why something happened. Following the girls social media where some feuds starts help but other times nothing does.

However the IWGP Women's title will be interesting with a legit feud. MAYU dropped her SWC title to focus on this title. I could see her winning and her and Kairi wrestling for it over several events. I think the IWGP Women's title is a start to introduce Joshi talent to NJPW roster and then have their own women's division. With Stardom now the sister company I could see talent traded and NJPW having their own. the title though script and all is all by Stardom booking wise and such but its a very big moment in Japanese wrestling as NJPW for yrs has been an all male promotion. Hopefully with NJPW pushing women's wrestling more fans can be exposed to Joshi pro talent. I know my interest went up not because someone like Sky, Kairi etc went to WWE but mostly AEW because they've acknowledged more of where the talent is from and all. Considering girls like Toni Storm and Jamie Hayter were Stardom talent wouldn't be shocked when they aren't used for AEW they are going for the IWGP WOmen's title when it comes over here and such. Also if and when AEW and NJPW do another forbidden door event they can do Women's title vs title match now.

Some real bangers right there

 

[coyote5]

Puke likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Will say "he wants to do good business". Then he won't work with a guy like Cabana, who if we're being frank is the best matchup for Puke.

Puke v Cabana. Loser leaves AEW. Have Puke go over and complete heel turn. Relegate Cabana to ROH (or put him under a mask).

Puke holds too many grudges and AEW not creative enough to do so it won't happen.

Literally everyone is refusing to work with him in the company. There's even tweets by talent insinuating that Cobana spot was a shot at Punk too.

That is self-preservation. Since it is obvious now that Punk will be out and those clowns he clashed with will stay and remain in power (sorry, the Bucks are a bunch of circus performers at best), the smart move for your career is to badmouth Punk and tow the company line. Self-interest rules the day in pro wrestling. And I say that while fully acknowledging that Punk is likely a major pain in the butt to work with and brings most problem on himself, but if he and AEW came to an agreement today that he'd be coming back, many of those wrestlers would all of a sudden have no problem working with him.

Theres plenty of people who don't like Punk. After what he did to Cobanna after the Podcast numerious wrestlers have backed up Colt. Numerious wrestlers in AEW didn't initial want Punk but were told by higher ups they believe he had changed which obviously wasn't the case. My point here is that in an industry where you need trust in the ring and out many don't feel it with Punk anymore which puts working with him unsafe. He's started going into business for himself.

I rally don't think you know how disliked Punk is in the industry right now. The only people who has anything nice to say about him at this point are people who are friends with him r Ace Steel. Even people who feel the EVPs were in the wrong going to his locker to begin with agree Punk shouldn't be wrestling anymore for AEW. Dude thought he could come in and Brock Lesnar and bully the higher up for what he wanted. He found out long and hard that wasn't happening.

Also from what Ive heard WWE took notice of the Cabana spot in AEW on Wednesday night. There was a legit talk from people of bringing Punk back and before going to AEW had talks with WWE. Also Punk has looked sluggish in the ring has botched a few spots as well. Still great on the Mic but I don't think he really should be wrestling anymore.

Meh. I get why Punk isn't coming back. Can't do what he did at the presser. But ****, I haven't missed the Bucks one bit since they've been gone. The show isn't any different, the ratings haven't changed. They are completely expendable to the promotion.

Punk is pretty much Walter Sobchak in this situation. He wasn't wrong about what he said, he's just an *******.

 

[Tom Servo]

Puke likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Will say "he wants to do good business". Then he won't work with a guy like Cabana, who if we're being frank is the best matchup for Puke.

Puke v Cabana. Loser leaves AEW. Have Puke go over and complete heel turn. Relegate Cabana to ROH (or put him under a mask).

Puke holds too many grudges and AEW not creative enough to do so it won't happen.

Literally everyone is refusing to work with him in the company. There's even tweets by talent insinuating that Cobana spot was a shot at Punk too.

That is self-preservation. Since it is obvious now that Punk will be out and those clowns he clashed with will stay and remain in power (sorry, the Bucks are a bunch of circus performers at best), the smart move for your career is to badmouth Punk and tow the company line. Self-interest rules the day in pro wrestling. And I say that while fully acknowledging that Punk is likely a major pain in the butt to work with and brings most problem on himself, but if he and AEW came to an agreement today that he'd be coming back, many of those wrestlers would all of a sudden have no problem working with him.

Theres plenty of people who don't like Punk. After what he did to Cobanna after the Podcast numerious wrestlers have backed up Colt. Numerious wrestlers in AEW didn't initial want Punk but were told by higher ups they believe he had changed which obviously wasn't the case. My point here is that in an industry where you need trust in the ring and out many don't feel it with Punk anymore which puts working with him unsafe. He's started going into business for himself.

I rally don't think you know how disliked Punk is in the industry right now. The only people who has anything nice to say about him at this point are people who are friends with him r Ace Steel. Even people who feel the EVPs were in the wrong going to his locker to begin with agree Punk shouldn't be wrestling anymore for AEW. Dude thought he could come in and Brock Lesnar and bully the higher up for what he wanted. He found out long and hard that wasn't happening.

Also from what Ive heard WWE took notice of the Cabana spot in AEW on Wednesday night. There was a legit talk from people of bringing Punk back and before going to AEW had talks with WWE. Also Punk has looked sluggish in the ring has botched a few spots as well. Still great on the Mic but I don't think he really should be wrestling anymore.

Meh. I get why Punk isn't coming back. Can't do what he did at the presser. But ****, I haven't missed the Bucks one bit since they've been gone. The show isn't any different, the ratings haven't changed. They are completely expendable to the promotion.

Punk is pretty much Walter Sobchak in this situation. He wasn't wrong about what he said, he's just an *******.

Right message, wrong messenger.

 

[DJackson10]

Puke likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Will say "he wants to do good business". Then he won't work with a guy like Cabana, who if we're being frank is the best matchup for Puke.

Puke v Cabana. Loser leaves AEW. Have Puke go over and complete heel turn. Relegate Cabana to ROH (or put him under a mask).

Puke holds too many grudges and AEW not creative enough to do so it won't happen.

Literally everyone is refusing to work with him in the company. There's even tweets by talent insinuating that Cobana spot was a shot at Punk too.

That is self-preservation. Since it is obvious now that Punk will be out and those clowns he clashed with will stay and remain in power (sorry, the Bucks are a bunch of circus performers at best), the smart move for your career is to badmouth Punk and tow the company line. Self-interest rules the day in pro wrestling. And I say that while fully acknowledging that Punk is likely a major pain in the butt to work with and brings most problem on himself, but if he and AEW came to an agreement today that he'd be coming back, many of those wrestlers would all of a sudden have no problem working with him.

Theres plenty of people who don't like Punk. After what he did to Cobanna after the Podcast numerious wrestlers have backed up Colt. Numerious wrestlers in AEW didn't initial want Punk but were told by higher ups they believe he had changed which obviously wasn't the case. My point here is that in an industry where you need trust in the ring and out many don't feel it with Punk anymore which puts working with him unsafe. He's started going into business for himself.

I rally don't think you know how disliked Punk is in the industry right now. The only people who has anything nice to say about him at this point are people who are friends with him r Ace Steel. Even people who feel the EVPs were in the wrong going to his locker to begin with agree Punk shouldn't be wrestling anymore for AEW. Dude thought he could come in and Brock Lesnar and bully the higher up for what he wanted. He found out long and hard that wasn't happening.

Also from what Ive heard WWE took notice of the Cabana spot in AEW on Wednesday night. There was a legit talk from people of bringing Punk back and before going to AEW had talks with WWE. Also Punk has looked sluggish in the ring has botched a few spots as well. Still great on the Mic but I don't think he really should be wrestling anymore.

Meh. I get why Punk isn't coming back. Can't do what he did at the presser. But ****, I haven't missed the Bucks one bit since they've been gone. The show isn't any different, the ratings haven't changed. They are completely expendable to the promotion.

Punk is pretty much Walter Sobchak in this situation. He wasn't wrong about what he said, he's just an *******.

Right message, wrong messenger.

Maybe but Punk isn't an angel here either. He and his people were leaking **** left and right on people in AEW. Someone believes that Punk's camp leaked stuff on Black. Both sides were leaking **** so it's the pot calling the Kettle when Punk complains about leaks. He tried to Bully his way in AEW and realized they weren't push overs so he threw a temper tantrum. If I was TK I would've ended Punk's presser right when it started to get bad, had him escorted out of the building and either brought in the people or just said sorry folks do to unforeseen circumstances this media scrum is over. The Next day I would've fired Punk for conduct detrimental and ended it all there. It's no surprise that the backstage issues started after Punk got in the company.

 

[DJackson10]

AEW just announced they are going to UK in 23

 

[DJackson10]

Saraya with a fire promo on Britt there calling her spoiled. Went on about how Britt was a kiss *** basically to TK and how she Saraya herself had to earn her keep for yrs. Mentioned he drug addiction and her public humiliation which was the Tape. Mentioned she was cleared to wrestle and its her vs Britt at Full Gear

 

[Ghost Rider]

Puke likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Will say "he wants to do good business". Then he won't work with a guy like Cabana, who if we're being frank is the best matchup for Puke.

Puke v Cabana. Loser leaves AEW. Have Puke go over and complete heel turn. Relegate Cabana to ROH (or put him under a mask).

Puke holds too many grudges and AEW not creative enough to do so it won't happen.

Literally everyone is refusing to work with him in the company. There's even tweets by talent insinuating that Cobana spot was a shot at Punk too.

That is self-preservation. Since it is obvious now that Punk will be out and those clowns he clashed with will stay and remain in power (sorry, the Bucks are a bunch of circus performers at best), the smart move for your career is to badmouth Punk and tow the company line. Self-interest rules the day in pro wrestling. And I say that while fully acknowledging that Punk is likely a major pain in the butt to work with and brings most problem on himself, but if he and AEW came to an agreement today that he'd be coming back, many of those wrestlers would all of a sudden have no problem working with him.

Theres plenty of people who don't like Punk. After what he did to Cobanna after the Podcast numerious wrestlers have backed up Colt. Numerious wrestlers in AEW didn't initial want Punk but were told by higher ups they believe he had changed which obviously wasn't the case. My point here is that in an industry where you need trust in the ring and out many don't feel it with Punk anymore which puts working with him unsafe. He's started going into business for himself.

I rally don't think you know how disliked Punk is in the industry right now. The only people who has anything nice to say about him at this point are people who are friends with him r Ace Steel. Even people who feel the EVPs were in the wrong going to his locker to begin with agree Punk shouldn't be wrestling anymore for AEW. Dude thought he could come in and Brock Lesnar and bully the higher up for what he wanted. He found out long and hard that wasn't happening.

Also from what Ive heard WWE took notice of the Cabana spot in AEW on Wednesday night. There was a legit talk from people of bringing Punk back and before going to AEW had talks with WWE. Also Punk has looked sluggish in the ring has botched a few spots as well. Still great on the Mic but I don't think he really should be wrestling anymore.

Meh. I get why Punk isn't coming back. Can't do what he did at the presser. But ****, I haven't missed the Bucks one bit since they've been gone. The show isn't any different, the ratings haven't changed. They are completely expendable to the promotion.

Punk is pretty much Walter Sobchak in this situation. He wasn't wrong about what he said, he's just an *******.

Yeah, they are basically a couple of 170-lb circus performers whose matches look like choreographed feats of athleticism rather than wrestling matches. Those guys will never make the ratings go way up in any major promotion worth a damn.

 

[DJackson10]

Saraya with a fire promo on Britt there calling her spoiled. Went on about how Britt was a kiss *** basically to TK and how she Saraya herself had to earn her keep for yrs. Mentioned he drug addiction and her public humiliation which was the Tape. Mentioned she was cleared to wrestle and its her vs Britt at Full Gear

Mic Foley Approved

 

[DJackson10]

Puke likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Will say "he wants to do good business". Then he won't work with a guy like Cabana, who if we're being frank is the best matchup for Puke.

Puke v Cabana. Loser leaves AEW. Have Puke go over and complete heel turn. Relegate Cabana to ROH (or put him under a mask).

Puke holds too many grudges and AEW not creative enough to do so it won't happen.

Literally everyone is refusing to work with him in the company. There's even tweets by talent insinuating that Cobana spot was a shot at Punk too.

That is self-preservation. Since it is obvious now that Punk will be out and those clowns he clashed with will stay and remain in power (sorry, the Bucks are a bunch of circus performers at best), the smart move for your career is to badmouth Punk and tow the company line. Self-interest rules the day in pro wrestling. And I say that while fully acknowledging that Punk is likely a major pain in the butt to work with and brings most problem on himself, but if he and AEW came to an agreement today that he'd be coming back, many of those wrestlers would all of a sudden have no problem working with him.

Theres plenty of people who don't like Punk. After what he did to Cobanna after the Podcast numerious wrestlers have backed up Colt. Numerious wrestlers in AEW didn't initial want Punk but were told by higher ups they believe he had changed which obviously wasn't the case. My point here is that in an industry where you need trust in the ring and out many don't feel it with Punk anymore which puts working with him unsafe. He's started going into business for himself.

I rally don't think you know how disliked Punk is in the industry right now. The only people who has anything nice to say about him at this point are people who are friends with him r Ace Steel. Even people who feel the EVPs were in the wrong going to his locker to begin with agree Punk shouldn't be wrestling anymore for AEW. Dude thought he could come in and Brock Lesnar and bully the higher up for what he wanted. He found out long and hard that wasn't happening.

Also from what Ive heard WWE took notice of the Cabana spot in AEW on Wednesday night. There was a legit talk from people of bringing Punk back and before going to AEW had talks with WWE. Also Punk has looked sluggish in the ring has botched a few spots as well. Still great on the Mic but I don't think he really should be wrestling anymore.

Meh. I get why Punk isn't coming back. Can't do what he did at the presser. But ****, I haven't missed the Bucks one bit since they've been gone. The show isn't any different, the ratings haven't changed. They are completely expendable to the promotion.

Punk is pretty much Walter Sobchak in this situation. He wasn't wrong about what he said, he's just an *******.

Yeah, they are basically a couple of 170-lb circus performers whose matches look like choreographed feats of athleticism rather than wrestling matches. Those guys will never make the ratings go way up in any major promotion worth a damn.

Obviously they are worth something because Vince wanted to bring them to WWE. Vince doesn't bring just anyone into WWE if he doesn't think they benefit him in some way. He wanted Codi, Kenny the Bucks, Scrull, Hangman Page and Omega at the time after the contracts all expired. A deal didn't get done as they wanted some control over their characters and Cody wanted Hangman on the Main Roster when they debuted.

 

[DJackson10]

I know the Bucks aren't everyone's cup of tea but I do find it funny even if they were leaking the stuff the WWE marks are running with it when they boy John Cena was notorious for leaking **** to Meltzer about talent for yrs. Hunter did the same thing along with HBK, and Orton. They'd make up lies or stories on certain talent to get heat on them and WWE could get rid of them. Cena would run to Vince any time talent complained about him or Vince like a little school girl and Orton tried to make it seem Ken Anderson was a terrible worker and unsafe in the ring all because randy himself is made of glass. Its also funny the marks who hated Punk now love him because he's being negative about AEW. Now they want him back in WWE.

My point is if what you think the Bucks did is wrong don't be going and defending WWE who has talent or had talent do similar. Shouldn't matter what skill set the talent has or good at. If you're mad at one party you better be prepared to go after their own. I'll try not to get too political but its like people mentioning human right violations or military illegal stuff from other countries but defending the US when they do it. Do as I say not as I do. I guess thats the IWC though.

 

[coyote5]

Puke likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Will say "he wants to do good business". Then he won't work with a guy like Cabana, who if we're being frank is the best matchup for Puke.

Puke v Cabana. Loser leaves AEW. Have Puke go over and complete heel turn. Relegate Cabana to ROH (or put him under a mask).

Puke holds too many grudges and AEW not creative enough to do so it won't happen.

Literally everyone is refusing to work with him in the company. There's even tweets by talent insinuating that Cobana spot was a shot at Punk too.

That is self-preservation. Since it is obvious now that Punk will be out and those clowns he clashed with will stay and remain in power (sorry, the Bucks are a bunch of circus performers at best), the smart move for your career is to badmouth Punk and tow the company line. Self-interest rules the day in pro wrestling. And I say that while fully acknowledging that Punk is likely a major pain in the butt to work with and brings most problem on himself, but if he and AEW came to an agreement today that he'd be coming back, many of those wrestlers would all of a sudden have no problem working with him.

Theres plenty of people who don't like Punk. After what he did to Cobanna after the Podcast numerious wrestlers have backed up Colt. Numerious wrestlers in AEW didn't initial want Punk but were told by higher ups they believe he had changed which obviously wasn't the case. My point here is that in an industry where you need trust in the ring and out many don't feel it with Punk anymore which puts working with him unsafe. He's started going into business for himself.

I rally don't think you know how disliked Punk is in the industry right now. The only people who has anything nice to say about him at this point are people who are friends with him r Ace Steel. Even people who feel the EVPs were in the wrong going to his locker to begin with agree Punk shouldn't be wrestling anymore for AEW. Dude thought he could come in and Brock Lesnar and bully the higher up for what he wanted. He found out long and hard that wasn't happening.

Also from what Ive heard WWE took notice of the Cabana spot in AEW on Wednesday night. There was a legit talk from people of bringing Punk back and before going to AEW had talks with WWE. Also Punk has looked sluggish in the ring has botched a few spots as well. Still great on the Mic but I don't think he really should be wrestling anymore.

Meh. I get why Punk isn't coming back. Can't do what he did at the presser. But ****, I haven't missed the Bucks one bit since they've been gone. The show isn't any different, the ratings haven't changed. They are completely expendable to the promotion.

Punk is pretty much Walter Sobchak in this situation. He wasn't wrong about what he said, he's just an *******.

Right message, wrong messenger.

Maybe but Punk isn't an angel here either. He and his people were leaking **** left and right on people in AEW. Someone believes that Punk's camp leaked stuff on Black. Both sides were leaking **** so it's the pot calling the Kettle when Punk complains about leaks. He tried to Bully his way in AEW and realized they weren't push overs so he threw a temper tantrum. If I was TK I would've ended Punk's presser right when it started to get bad, had him escorted out of the building and either brought in the people or just said sorry folks do to unforeseen circumstances this media scrum is over. The Next day I would've fired Punk for conduct detrimental and ended it all there. It's no surprise that the backstage issues started after Punk got in the company.

Yeah, I can't defend Punk t

Puke likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Will say "he wants to do good business". Then he won't work with a guy like Cabana, who if we're being frank is the best matchup for Puke.

Puke v Cabana. Loser leaves AEW. Have Puke go over and complete heel turn. Relegate Cabana to ROH (or put him under a mask).

Puke holds too many grudges and AEW not creative enough to do so it won't happen.

Literally everyone is refusing to work with him in the company. There's even tweets by talent insinuating that Cobana spot was a shot at Punk too.

That is self-preservation. Since it is obvious now that Punk will be out and those clowns he clashed with will stay and remain in power (sorry, the Bucks are a bunch of circus performers at best), the smart move for your career is to badmouth Punk and tow the company line. Self-interest rules the day in pro wrestling. And I say that while fully acknowledging that Punk is likely a major pain in the butt to work with and brings most problem on himself, but if he and AEW came to an agreement today that he'd be coming back, many of those wrestlers would all of a sudden have no problem working with him.

Theres plenty of people who don't like Punk. After what he did to Cobanna after the Podcast numerious wrestlers have backed up Colt. Numerious wrestlers in AEW didn't initial want Punk but were told by higher ups they believe he had changed which obviously wasn't the case. My point here is that in an industry where you need trust in the ring and out many don't feel it with Punk anymore which puts working with him unsafe. He's started going into business for himself.

I rally don't think you know how disliked Punk is in the industry right now. The only people who has anything nice to say about him at this point are people who are friends with him r Ace Steel. Even people who feel the EVPs were in the wrong going to his locker to begin with agree Punk shouldn't be wrestling anymore for AEW. Dude thought he could come in and Brock Lesnar and bully the higher up for what he wanted. He found out long and hard that wasn't happening.

Also from what Ive heard WWE took notice of the Cabana spot in AEW on Wednesday night. There was a legit talk from people of bringing Punk back and before going to AEW had talks with WWE. Also Punk has looked sluggish in the ring has botched a few spots as well. Still great on the Mic but I don't think he really should be wrestling anymore.

Meh. I get why Punk isn't coming back. Can't do what he did at the presser. But ****, I haven't missed the Bucks one bit since they've been gone. The show isn't any different, the ratings haven't changed. They are completely expendable to the promotion.

Punk is pretty much Walter Sobchak in this situation. He wasn't wrong about what he said, he's just an *******.

Yeah, they are basically a couple of 170-lb circus performers whose matches look like choreographed feats of athleticism rather than wrestling matches. Those guys will never make the ratings go way up in any major promotion worth a damn.

Obviously they are worth something because Vince wanted to bring them to WWE. Vince doesn't bring just anyone into WWE if he doesn't think they benefit him in some way. He wanted Codi, Kenny the Bucks, Scrull, Hangman Page and Omega at the time after the contracts all expired. A deal didn't get done as they wanted some control over their characters and Cody wanted Hangman on the Main Roster when they debuted.

When was this that Vince wanted to bring them all in? Around when AEW started or more recently? Because if this is more recent, I call ******** that he wanted to bring all those guys in. If it was back when AEW was starting, then I think it's widely accepted that Vince was trying to buy up as much talent as he could to keep them away from AEW.

 

[coyote5]

Puke likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Will say "he wants to do good business". Then he won't work with a guy like Cabana, who if we're being frank is the best matchup for Puke.

Puke v Cabana. Loser leaves AEW. Have Puke go over and complete heel turn. Relegate Cabana to ROH (or put him under a mask).

Puke holds too many grudges and AEW not creative enough to do so it won't happen.

Literally everyone is refusing to work with him in the company. There's even tweets by talent insinuating that Cobana spot was a shot at Punk too.

That is self-preservation. Since it is obvious now that Punk will be out and those clowns he clashed with will stay and remain in power (sorry, the Bucks are a bunch of circus performers at best), the smart move for your career is to badmouth Punk and tow the company line. Self-interest rules the day in pro wrestling. And I say that while fully acknowledging that Punk is likely a major pain in the butt to work with and brings most problem on himself, but if he and AEW came to an agreement today that he'd be coming back, many of those wrestlers would all of a sudden have no problem working with him.

Theres plenty of people who don't like Punk. After what he did to Cobanna after the Podcast numerious wrestlers have backed up Colt. Numerious wrestlers in AEW didn't initial want Punk but were told by higher ups they believe he had changed which obviously wasn't the case. My point here is that in an industry where you need trust in the ring and out many don't feel it with Punk anymore which puts working with him unsafe. He's started going into business for himself.

I rally don't think you know how disliked Punk is in the industry right now. The only people who has anything nice to say about him at this point are people who are friends with him r Ace Steel. Even people who feel the EVPs were in the wrong going to his locker to begin with agree Punk shouldn't be wrestling anymore for AEW. Dude thought he could come in and Brock Lesnar and bully the higher up for what he wanted. He found out long and hard that wasn't happening.

Also from what Ive heard WWE took notice of the Cabana spot in AEW on Wednesday night. There was a legit talk from people of bringing Punk back and before going to AEW had talks with WWE. Also Punk has looked sluggish in the ring has botched a few spots as well. Still great on the Mic but I don't think he really should be wrestling anymore.

Meh. I get why Punk isn't coming back. Can't do what he did at the presser. But ****, I haven't missed the Bucks one bit since they've been gone. The show isn't any different, the ratings haven't changed. They are completely expendable to the promotion.

Punk is pretty much Walter Sobchak in this situation. He wasn't wrong about what he said, he's just an *******.

Right message, wrong messenger.

Maybe but Punk isn't an angel here either. He and his people were leaking **** left and right on people in AEW. Someone believes that Punk's camp leaked stuff on Black. Both sides were leaking **** so it's the pot calling the Kettle when Punk complains about leaks. He tried to Bully his way in AEW and realized they weren't push overs so he threw a temper tantrum. If I was TK I would've ended Punk's presser right when it started to get bad, had him escorted out of the building and either brought in the people or just said sorry folks do to unforeseen circumstances this media scrum is over. The Next day I would've fired Punk for conduct detrimental and ended it all there. It's no surprise that the backstage issues started after Punk got in the company.

Yeah, I can't defend Punk t

I know the Bucks aren't everyone's cup of tea but I do find it funny even if they were leaking the stuff the WWE marks are running with it when they boy John Cena was notorious for leaking **** to Meltzer about talent for yrs. Hunter did the same thing along with HBK, and Orton. They'd make up lies or stories on certain talent to get heat on them and WWE could get rid of them. Cena would run to Vince any time talent complained about him or Vince like a little school girl and Orton tried to make it seem Ken Anderson was a terrible worker and unsafe in the ring all because randy himself is made of glass. Its also funny the marks who hated Punk now love him because he's being negative about AEW. Now they want him back in WWE.

My point is if what you think the Bucks did is wrong don't be going and defending WWE who has talent or had talent do similar. Shouldn't matter what skill set the talent has or good at. If you're mad at one party you better be prepared to go after their own. I'll try not to get too political but its like people mentioning human right violations or military illegal stuff from other countries but defending the US when they do it. Do as I say not as I do. I guess thats the IWC though.

I think they've been in Tony's ear and cooling off talent that was a threat to them, see: FTR.

 

[coyote5]

I know the Bucks aren't everyone's cup of tea but I do find it funny even if they were leaking the stuff the WWE marks are running with it when they boy John Cena was notorious for leaking **** to Meltzer about talent for yrs. Hunter did the same thing along with HBK, and Orton. They'd make up lies or stories on certain talent to get heat on them and WWE could get rid of them. Cena would run to Vince any time talent complained about him or Vince like a little school girl and Orton tried to make it seem Ken Anderson was a terrible worker and unsafe in the ring all because randy himself is made of glass. Its also funny the marks who hated Punk now love him because he's being negative about AEW. Now they want him back in WWE.

My point is if what you think the Bucks did is wrong don't be going and defending WWE who has talent or had talent do similar. Shouldn't matter what skill set the talent has or good at. If you're mad at one party you better be prepared to go after their own. I'll try not to get too political but its like people mentioning human right violations or military illegal stuff from other countries but defending the US when they do it. Do as I say not as I do. I guess thats the IWC though.

And I agree, I think the Bucks are talented, and they CAN wrestle a good match. Most of the time they choose not to, more often it seems like they are just wrestling high spot to high spot, and they would definitely have had to change the way they work if they went to WWE.

It's funny, WWE takes a lot of crap (rightfully so) because most of the matches look the same, they all are worked in the "WWE style" and 50/50 booking etc.

AEW was supposed to be different, but at this point it is different but most of the matches look the same, with the scatterbrained matches that are high spot to high spot, working the floor, everyone does the strong style chop spots. It's just a different kind of same lol.

 

[Bogart]

Puke likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Will say "he wants to do good business". Then he won't work with a guy like Cabana, who if we're being frank is the best matchup for Puke.

Puke v Cabana. Loser leaves AEW. Have Puke go over and complete heel turn. Relegate Cabana to ROH (or put him under a mask).

Puke holds too many grudges and AEW not creative enough to do so it won't happen.

Literally everyone is refusing to work with him in the company. There's even tweets by talent insinuating that Cobana spot was a shot at Punk too.

That is self-preservation. Since it is obvious now that Punk will be out and those clowns he clashed with will stay and remain in power (sorry, the Bucks are a bunch of circus performers at best), the smart move for your career is to badmouth Punk and tow the company line. Self-interest rules the day in pro wrestling. And I say that while fully acknowledging that Punk is likely a major pain in the butt to work with and brings most problem on himself, but if he and AEW came to an agreement today that he'd be coming back, many of those wrestlers would all of a sudden have no problem working with him.

Theres plenty of people who don't like Punk. After what he did to Cobanna after the Podcast numerious wrestlers have backed up Colt. Numerious wrestlers in AEW didn't initial want Punk but were told by higher ups they believe he had changed which obviously wasn't the case. My point here is that in an industry where you need trust in the ring and out many don't feel it with Punk anymore which puts working with him unsafe. He's started going into business for himself.

I rally don't think you know how disliked Punk is in the industry right now. The only people who has anything nice to say about him at this point are people who are friends with him r Ace Steel. Even people who feel the EVPs were in the wrong going to his locker to begin with agree Punk shouldn't be wrestling anymore for AEW. Dude thought he could come in and Brock Lesnar and bully the higher up for what he wanted. He found out long and hard that wasn't happening.

Also from what Ive heard WWE took notice of the Cabana spot in AEW on Wednesday night. There was a legit talk from people of bringing Punk back and before going to AEW had talks with WWE. Also Punk has looked sluggish in the ring has botched a few spots as well. Still great on the Mic but I don't think he really should be wrestling anymore.

Meh. I get why Punk isn't coming back. Can't do what he did at the presser. But ****, I haven't missed the Bucks one bit since they've been gone. The show isn't any different, the ratings haven't changed. They are completely expendable to the promotion.

Punk is pretty much Walter Sobchak in this situation. He wasn't wrong about what he said, he's just an *******.

Right message, wrong messenger.

Maybe but Punk isn't an angel here either. He and his people were leaking **** left and right on people in AEW. Someone believes that Punk's camp leaked stuff on Black. Both sides were leaking **** so it's the pot calling the Kettle when Punk complains about leaks. He tried to Bully his way in AEW and realized they weren't push overs so he threw a temper tantrum. If I was TK I would've ended Punk's presser right when it started to get bad, had him escorted out of the building and either brought in the people or just said sorry folks do to unforeseen circumstances this media scrum is over. The Next day I would've fired Punk for conduct detrimental and ended it all there. It's no surprise that the backstage issues started after Punk got in the company.

Yeah, I can't defend Punk t

Puke likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Will say "he wants to do good business". Then he won't work with a guy like Cabana, who if we're being frank is the best matchup for Puke.

Puke v Cabana. Loser leaves AEW. Have Puke go over and complete heel turn. Relegate Cabana to ROH (or put him under a mask).

Puke holds too many grudges and AEW not creative enough to do so it won't happen.

Literally everyone is refusing to work with him in the company. There's even tweets by talent insinuating that Cobana spot was a shot at Punk too.

That is self-preservation. Since it is obvious now that Punk will be out and those clowns he clashed with will stay and remain in power (sorry, the Bucks are a bunch of circus performers at best), the smart move for your career is to badmouth Punk and tow the company line. Self-interest rules the day in pro wrestling. And I say that while fully acknowledging that Punk is likely a major pain in the butt to work with and brings most problem on himself, but if he and AEW came to an agreement today that he'd be coming back, many of those wrestlers would all of a sudden have no problem working with him.

Theres plenty of people who don't like Punk. After what he did to Cobanna after the Podcast numerious wrestlers have backed up Colt. Numerious wrestlers in AEW didn't initial want Punk but were told by higher ups they believe he had changed which obviously wasn't the case. My point here is that in an industry where you need trust in the ring and out many don't feel it with Punk anymore which puts working with him unsafe. He's started going into business for himself.

I rally don't think you know how disliked Punk is in the industry right now. The only people who has anything nice to say about him at this point are people who are friends with him r Ace Steel. Even people who feel the EVPs were in the wrong going to his locker to begin with agree Punk shouldn't be wrestling anymore for AEW. Dude thought he could come in and Brock Lesnar and bully the higher up for what he wanted. He found out long and hard that wasn't happening.

Also from what Ive heard WWE took notice of the Cabana spot in AEW on Wednesday night. There was a legit talk from people of bringing Punk back and before going to AEW had talks with WWE. Also Punk has looked sluggish in the ring has botched a few spots as well. Still great on the Mic but I don't think he really should be wrestling anymore.

Meh. I get why Punk isn't coming back. Can't do what he did at the presser. But ****, I haven't missed the Bucks one bit since they've been gone. The show isn't any different, the ratings haven't changed. They are completely expendable to the promotion.

Punk is pretty much Walter Sobchak in this situation. He wasn't wrong about what he said, he's just an *******.

Yeah, they are basically a couple of 170-lb circus performers whose matches look like choreographed feats of athleticism rather than wrestling matches. Those guys will never make the ratings go way up in any major promotion worth a damn.

Obviously they are worth something because Vince wanted to bring them to WWE. Vince doesn't bring just anyone into WWE if he doesn't think they benefit him in some way. He wanted Codi, Kenny the Bucks, Scrull, Hangman Page and Omega at the time after the contracts all expired. A deal didn't get done as they wanted some control over their characters and Cody wanted Hangman on the Main Roster when they debuted.

When was this that Vince wanted to bring them all in? Around when AEW started or more recently? Because if this is more recent, I call ******** that he wanted to bring all those guys in. If it was back when AEW was starting, then I think it's widely accepted that Vince was trying to buy up as much talent as he could to keep them away from AEW.

If I remember right, it was just prior to AEW, when they were blowing up Hot Topic with merch sales and pulling high numbers for indie shows. Rumors were, and just rumors, that all of the former Bullet Club guys then in the WWE (Balor, AJ, Gallows and Anderson) spoke highly of The Bucks et all and said they could pull off a Bullet Club type storyline in the E. Which would be so much better than the lame OC stuff they have tried.

 

[DJackson10]

Puke likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Will say "he wants to do good business". Then he won't work with a guy like Cabana, who if we're being frank is the best matchup for Puke.

Puke v Cabana. Loser leaves AEW. Have Puke go over and complete heel turn. Relegate Cabana to ROH (or put him under a mask).

Puke holds too many grudges and AEW not creative enough to do so it won't happen.

Literally everyone is refusing to work with him in the company. There's even tweets by talent insinuating that Cobana spot was a shot at Punk too.

That is self-preservation. Since it is obvious now that Punk will be out and those clowns he clashed with will stay and remain in power (sorry, the Bucks are a bunch of circus performers at best), the smart move for your career is to badmouth Punk and tow the company line. Self-interest rules the day in pro wrestling. And I say that while fully acknowledging that Punk is likely a major pain in the butt to work with and brings most problem on himself, but if he and AEW came to an agreement today that he'd be coming back, many of those wrestlers would all of a sudden have no problem working with him.

Theres plenty of people who don't like Punk. After what he did to Cobanna after the Podcast numerious wrestlers have backed up Colt. Numerious wrestlers in AEW didn't initial want Punk but were told by higher ups they believe he had changed which obviously wasn't the case. My point here is that in an industry where you need trust in the ring and out many don't feel it with Punk anymore which puts working with him unsafe. He's started going into business for himself.

I rally don't think you know how disliked Punk is in the industry right now. The only people who has anything nice to say about him at this point are people who are friends with him r Ace Steel. Even people who feel the EVPs were in the wrong going to his locker to begin with agree Punk shouldn't be wrestling anymore for AEW. Dude thought he could come in and Brock Lesnar and bully the higher up for what he wanted. He found out long and hard that wasn't happening.

Also from what Ive heard WWE took notice of the Cabana spot in AEW on Wednesday night. There was a legit talk from people of bringing Punk back and before going to AEW had talks with WWE. Also Punk has looked sluggish in the ring has botched a few spots as well. Still great on the Mic but I don't think he really should be wrestling anymore.

Meh. I get why Punk isn't coming back. Can't do what he did at the presser. But ****, I haven't missed the Bucks one bit since they've been gone. The show isn't any different, the ratings haven't changed. They are completely expendable to the promotion.

Punk is pretty much Walter Sobchak in this situation. He wasn't wrong about what he said, he's just an *******.

Right message, wrong messenger.

Maybe but Punk isn't an angel here either. He and his people were leaking **** left and right on people in AEW. Someone believes that Punk's camp leaked stuff on Black. Both sides were leaking **** so it's the pot calling the Kettle when Punk complains about leaks. He tried to Bully his way in AEW and realized they weren't push overs so he threw a temper tantrum. If I was TK I would've ended Punk's presser right when it started to get bad, had him escorted out of the building and either brought in the people or just said sorry folks do to unforeseen circumstances this media scrum is over. The Next day I would've fired Punk for conduct detrimental and ended it all there. It's no surprise that the backstage issues started after Punk got in the company.

Yeah, I can't defend Punk t

Puke likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Will say "he wants to do good business". Then he won't work with a guy like Cabana, who if we're being frank is the best matchup for Puke.

Puke v Cabana. Loser leaves AEW. Have Puke go over and complete heel turn. Relegate Cabana to ROH (or put him under a mask).

Puke holds too many grudges and AEW not creative enough to do so it won't happen.

Literally everyone is refusing to work with him in the company. There's even tweets by talent insinuating that Cobana spot was a shot at Punk too.

That is self-preservation. Since it is obvious now that Punk will be out and those clowns he clashed with will stay and remain in power (sorry, the Bucks are a bunch of circus performers at best), the smart move for your career is to badmouth Punk and tow the company line. Self-interest rules the day in pro wrestling. And I say that while fully acknowledging that Punk is likely a major pain in the butt to work with and brings most problem on himself, but if he and AEW came to an agreement today that he'd be coming back, many of those wrestlers would all of a sudden have no problem working with him.

Theres plenty of people who don't like Punk. After what he did to Cobanna after the Podcast numerious wrestlers have backed up Colt. Numerious wrestlers in AEW didn't initial want Punk but were told by higher ups they believe he had changed which obviously wasn't the case. My point here is that in an industry where you need trust in the ring and out many don't feel it with Punk anymore which puts working with him unsafe. He's started going into business for himself.

I rally don't think you know how disliked Punk is in the industry right now. The only people who has anything nice to say about him at this point are people who are friends with him r Ace Steel. Even people who feel the EVPs were in the wrong going to his locker to begin with agree Punk shouldn't be wrestling anymore for AEW. Dude thought he could come in and Brock Lesnar and bully the higher up for what he wanted. He found out long and hard that wasn't happening.

Also from what Ive heard WWE took notice of the Cabana spot in AEW on Wednesday night. There was a legit talk from people of bringing Punk back and before going to AEW had talks with WWE. Also Punk has looked sluggish in the ring has botched a few spots as well. Still great on the Mic but I don't think he really should be wrestling anymore.

Meh. I get why Punk isn't coming back. Can't do what he did at the presser. But ****, I haven't missed the Bucks one bit since they've been gone. The show isn't any different, the ratings haven't changed. They are completely expendable to the promotion.

Punk is pretty much Walter Sobchak in this situation. He wasn't wrong about what he said, he's just an *******.

Yeah, they are basically a couple of 170-lb circus performers whose matches look like choreographed feats of athleticism rather than wrestling matches. Those guys will never make the ratings go way up in any major promotion worth a damn.

Obviously they are worth something because Vince wanted to bring them to WWE. Vince doesn't bring just anyone into WWE if he doesn't think they benefit him in some way. He wanted Codi, Kenny the Bucks, Scrull, Hangman Page and Omega at the time after the contracts all expired. A deal didn't get done as they wanted some control over their characters and Cody wanted Hangman on the Main Roster when they debuted.

When was this that Vince wanted to bring them all in? Around when AEW started or more recently? Because if this is more recent, I call ******** that he wanted to bring all those guys in. If it was back when AEW was starting, then I think it's widely accepted that Vince was trying to buy up as much talent as he could to keep them away from AEW.

If I remember right, it was just prior to AEW, when they were blowing up Hot Topic with merch sales and pulling high numbers for indie shows. Rumors were, and just rumors, that all of the former Bullet Club guys then in the WWE (Balor, AJ, Gallows and Anderson) spoke highly of The Bucks et all and said they could pull off a Bullet Club type storyline in the E. Which would be so much better than the lame OC stuff they have tried.

Balor wouldn't have been part of it I don't think. He said he liked what he did but it was a dark period of his life and had been on PODs as recently as that year saying he didn't have any interest other then subtle acknowledgements of it.

 

[DJackson10]

Puke likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Will say "he wants to do good business". Then he won't work with a guy like Cabana, who if we're being frank is the best matchup for Puke.

Puke v Cabana. Loser leaves AEW. Have Puke go over and complete heel turn. Relegate Cabana to ROH (or put him under a mask).

Puke holds too many grudges and AEW not creative enough to do so it won't happen.

Literally everyone is refusing to work with him in the company. There's even tweets by talent insinuating that Cobana spot was a shot at Punk too.

That is self-preservation. Since it is obvious now that Punk will be out and those clowns he clashed with will stay and remain in power (sorry, the Bucks are a bunch of circus performers at best), the smart move for your career is to badmouth Punk and tow the company line. Self-interest rules the day in pro wrestling. And I say that while fully acknowledging that Punk is likely a major pain in the butt to work with and brings most problem on himself, but if he and AEW came to an agreement today that he'd be coming back, many of those wrestlers would all of a sudden have no problem working with him.

Theres plenty of people who don't like Punk. After what he did to Cobanna after the Podcast numerious wrestlers have backed up Colt. Numerious wrestlers in AEW didn't initial want Punk but were told by higher ups they believe he had changed which obviously wasn't the case. My point here is that in an industry where you need trust in the ring and out many don't feel it with Punk anymore which puts working with him unsafe. He's started going into business for himself.

I rally don't think you know how disliked Punk is in the industry right now. The only people who has anything nice to say about him at this point are people who are friends with him r Ace Steel. Even people who feel the EVPs were in the wrong going to his locker to begin with agree Punk shouldn't be wrestling anymore for AEW. Dude thought he could come in and Brock Lesnar and bully the higher up for what he wanted. He found out long and hard that wasn't happening.

Also from what Ive heard WWE took notice of the Cabana spot in AEW on Wednesday night. There was a legit talk from people of bringing Punk back and before going to AEW had talks with WWE. Also Punk has looked sluggish in the ring has botched a few spots as well. Still great on the Mic but I don't think he really should be wrestling anymore.

Meh. I get why Punk isn't coming back. Can't do what he did at the presser. But ****, I haven't missed the Bucks one bit since they've been gone. The show isn't any different, the ratings haven't changed. They are completely expendable to the promotion.

Punk is pretty much Walter Sobchak in this situation. He wasn't wrong about what he said, he's just an *******.

Right message, wrong messenger.

Maybe but Punk isn't an angel here either. He and his people were leaking **** left and right on people in AEW. Someone believes that Punk's camp leaked stuff on Black. Both sides were leaking **** so it's the pot calling the Kettle when Punk complains about leaks. He tried to Bully his way in AEW and realized they weren't push overs so he threw a temper tantrum. If I was TK I would've ended Punk's presser right when it started to get bad, had him escorted out of the building and either brought in the people or just said sorry folks do to unforeseen circumstances this media scrum is over. The Next day I would've fired Punk for conduct detrimental and ended it all there. It's no surprise that the backstage issues started after Punk got in the company.

Yeah, I can't defend Punk t

Puke likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Will say "he wants to do good business". Then he won't work with a guy like Cabana, who if we're being frank is the best matchup for Puke.

Puke v Cabana. Loser leaves AEW. Have Puke go over and complete heel turn. Relegate Cabana to ROH (or put him under a mask).

Puke holds too many grudges and AEW not creative enough to do so it won't happen.

Literally everyone is refusing to work with him in the company. There's even tweets by talent insinuating that Cobana spot was a shot at Punk too.

That is self-preservation. Since it is obvious now that Punk will be out and those clowns he clashed with will stay and remain in power (sorry, the Bucks are a bunch of circus performers at best), the smart move for your career is to badmouth Punk and tow the company line. Self-interest rules the day in pro wrestling. And I say that while fully acknowledging that Punk is likely a major pain in the butt to work with and brings most problem on himself, but if he and AEW came to an agreement today that he'd be coming back, many of those wrestlers would all of a sudden have no problem working with him.

Theres plenty of people who don't like Punk. After what he did to Cobanna after the Podcast numerious wrestlers have backed up Colt. Numerious wrestlers in AEW didn't initial want Punk but were told by higher ups they believe he had changed which obviously wasn't the case. My point here is that in an industry where you need trust in the ring and out many don't feel it with Punk anymore which puts working with him unsafe. He's started going into business for himself.

I rally don't think you know how disliked Punk is in the industry right now. The only people who has anything nice to say about him at this point are people who are friends with him r Ace Steel. Even people who feel the EVPs were in the wrong going to his locker to begin with agree Punk shouldn't be wrestling anymore for AEW. Dude thought he could come in and Brock Lesnar and bully the higher up for what he wanted. He found out long and hard that wasn't happening.

Also from what Ive heard WWE took notice of the Cabana spot in AEW on Wednesday night. There was a legit talk from people of bringing Punk back and before going to AEW had talks with WWE. Also Punk has looked sluggish in the ring has botched a few spots as well. Still great on the Mic but I don't think he really should be wrestling anymore.

Meh. I get why Punk isn't coming back. Can't do what he did at the presser. But ****, I haven't missed the Bucks one bit since they've been gone. The show isn't any different, the ratings haven't changed. They are completely expendable to the promotion.

Punk is pretty much Walter Sobchak in this situation. He wasn't wrong about what he said, he's just an *******.

Yeah, they are basically a couple of 170-lb circus performers whose matches look like choreographed feats of athleticism rather than wrestling matches. Those guys will never make the ratings go way up in any major promotion worth a damn.

Obviously they are worth something because Vince wanted to bring them to WWE. Vince doesn't bring just anyone into WWE if he doesn't think they benefit him in some way. He wanted Codi, Kenny the Bucks, Scrull, Hangman Page and Omega at the time after the contracts all expired. A deal didn't get done as they wanted some control over their characters and Cody wanted Hangman on the Main Roster when they debuted.

When was this that Vince wanted to bring them all in? Around when AEW started or more recently? Because if this is more recent, I call ******** that he wanted to bring all those guys in. If it was back when AEW was starting, then I think it's widely accepted that Vince was trying to buy up as much talent as he could to keep them away from AEW.

If I remember right, it was just prior to AEW, when they were blowing up Hot Topic with merch sales and pulling high numbers for indie shows. Rumors were, and just rumors, that all of the former Bullet Club guys then in the WWE (Balor, AJ, Gallows and Anderson) spoke highly of The Bucks et all and said they could pull off a Bullet Club type storyline in the E. Which would be so much better than the lame OC stuff they have tried.

Everyone including AJ Spoke highly of the former members though. What came down to it was Codi and the Bucks with Scrull would debut in WWE but Hangman would be in NXT. They said no. The other hold up was how much creative control they'd get themselves with it. Vince wanted to control the whole thing. I don't blame them. One how could they do a BC type story when one of your members got put down to NXT and pull something off when you give all creative control to a guy who barely knows what the hell you did in Japan and ROH? PG was also a problem for them character wise. It'd have been a very watered down version in the end the angle scrapped and most would be in catering or doing some stupid comedy thing similar to FTR. They were for the most part better off not signing at the time. However if Hunter was in charge then I'm not sure they say no and I think Hunter gives them more control

 

[DJackson10]

Here are the planned competitors for the SmackDown World Cup tournament tonight (per PWInsider):
Braun Strowman
Shinsuke Nakamura
Sami Zayn
Santos Escobar
Rey Mysterio
Jinder Mahal
Butch
Ricochet
The winner will get a WWE Intercontinental Championship match against Gunther.

 

[DJackson10]

According to Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, Bandido ultimately decided to sign with AEW over WWE because of family. Bandido's partner and child both live in Mexico and his significant other didn't want to leave the country. If he were to sign with WWE, Bandido would have been based in Florida as he would have begun in NXT, which would have kept him away from his son in Mexico. Bandido would have been away from home a lot more than if he signed with AEW when he eventually received a main roster call-up.
Bandido has signed a three-year deal with AEW, according to Meltzer, and his contract includes a maximum number of dates. Bandido isn't expected to reach that number, though, unless the promotion starts to run house shows on a regular basis.

 

[Tom Servo]

According to Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, Bandido ultimately decided to sign with AEW over WWE because of family. Bandido's partner and child both live in Mexico and his significant other didn't want to leave the country. If he were to sign with WWE, Bandido would have been based in Florida as he would have begun in NXT, which would have kept him away from his son in Mexico. Bandido would have been away from home a lot more than if he signed with AEW when he eventually received a main roster call-up.
Bandido has signed a three-year deal with AEW, according to Meltzer, and his contract includes a maximum number of dates. Bandido isn't expected to reach that number, though, unless the promotion starts to run house shows on a regular basis.

This is probably in the top 5 reason why fans should be glad AEW exists...options for the wrestlers.

 

[DJackson10]

According to Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, Bandido ultimately decided to sign with AEW over WWE because of family. Bandido's partner and child both live in Mexico and his significant other didn't want to leave the country. If he were to sign with WWE, Bandido would have been based in Florida as he would have begun in NXT, which would have kept him away from his son in Mexico. Bandido would have been away from home a lot more than if he signed with AEW when he eventually received a main roster call-up.
Bandido has signed a three-year deal with AEW, according to Meltzer, and his contract includes a maximum number of dates. Bandido isn't expected to reach that number, though, unless the promotion starts to run house shows on a regular basis.

This is probably in the top 5 reason why fans should be glad AEW exists...options for the wrestlers.

Bingo plus options for fans themselves. don't get rod riding one or the other. I dislike the whole Jade Cardgill thing as I think she's too green, Not a fan of Corbin or EST and some angles on both shows but won't sit here saying one product is great and the other sucks just because. Options for wrestlers is great too.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I know the Bucks aren't everyone's cup of tea but I do find it funny even if they were leaking the stuff the WWE marks are running with it when they boy John Cena was notorious for leaking **** to Meltzer about talent for yrs. Hunter did the same thing along with HBK, and Orton. They'd make up lies or stories on certain talent to get heat on them and WWE could get rid of them. Cena would run to Vince any time talent complained about him or Vince like a little school girl and Orton tried to make it seem Ken Anderson was a terrible worker and unsafe in the ring all because randy himself is made of glass. Its also funny the marks who hated Punk now love him because he's being negative about AEW. Now they want him back in WWE.

My point is if what you think the Bucks did is wrong don't be going and defending WWE who has talent or had talent do similar. Shouldn't matter what skill set the talent has or good at. If you're mad at one party you better be prepared to go after their own. I'll try not to get too political but its like people mentioning human right violations or military illegal stuff from other countries but defending the US when they do it. Do as I say not as I do. I guess thats the IWC though.

And I agree, I think the Bucks are talented, and they CAN wrestle a good match. Most of the time they choose not to, more often it seems like they are just wrestling high spot to high spot, and they would definitely have had to change the way they work if they went to WWE.

It's funny, WWE takes a lot of crap (rightfully so) because most of the matches look the same, they all are worked in the "WWE style" and 50/50 booking etc.

AEW was supposed to be different, but at this point it is different but most of the matches look the same, with the scatterbrained matches that are high spot to high spot, working the floor, everyone does the strong style chop spots. It's just a different kind of same lol.

That all goes back to the younger generation, generally speaking, wrestling differently than how those in the past did. The young guys are all about making sure their high spots get the pops from the crowd, and if they don't make sense within the flow of a match, who cares, because the crowd popped, right? And today's newer generations of fans are so trained to want the pops that if any of those Flair/Steamboat matches from '89 happened today, most would think it was boring.

 

[DJackson10]

Like I previously stated it sounded like Punk was trying to pull a Lesnar in AEW and didn't realize the pushback he'd get. It's ironic because this is the type of behavior he called out in WWE from people like Brock and others. Meanwhile in recent yrs Brock seems more responsive to helping get other talent pushed when working with him.

According to PWInder, CM Punk wanted Tony Khan to “tone down” AEW’s style from his first day there.
This was apparently talked about, mocked and even laughed at by several wrestlers backstage in AEW.
Punk was also irked that the younger wrestlers didn’t want or straight up refused to listen to his advice.
Some in the company did not need Punk, so, for him to come into the company and start trying to change it, the situation was doomed from the very beginning.

 

[DJackson10]

I know the Bucks aren't everyone's cup of tea but I do find it funny even if they were leaking the stuff the WWE marks are running with it when they boy John Cena was notorious for leaking **** to Meltzer about talent for yrs. Hunter did the same thing along with HBK, and Orton. They'd make up lies or stories on certain talent to get heat on them and WWE could get rid of them. Cena would run to Vince any time talent complained about him or Vince like a little school girl and Orton tried to make it seem Ken Anderson was a terrible worker and unsafe in the ring all because randy himself is made of glass. Its also funny the marks who hated Punk now love him because he's being negative about AEW. Now they want him back in WWE.

My point is if what you think the Bucks did is wrong don't be going and defending WWE who has talent or had talent do similar. Shouldn't matter what skill set the talent has or good at. If you're mad at one party you better be prepared to go after their own. I'll try not to get too political but its like people mentioning human right violations or military illegal stuff from other countries but defending the US when they do it. Do as I say not as I do. I guess thats the IWC though.

And I agree, I think the Bucks are talented, and they CAN wrestle a good match. Most of the time they choose not to, more often it seems like they are just wrestling high spot to high spot, and they would definitely have had to change the way they work if they went to WWE.

It's funny, WWE takes a lot of crap (rightfully so) because most of the matches look the same, they all are worked in the "WWE style" and 50/50 booking etc.

AEW was supposed to be different, but at this point it is different but most of the matches look the same, with the scatterbrained matches that are high spot to high spot, working the floor, everyone does the strong style chop spots. It's just a different kind of same lol.

That all goes back to the younger generation, generally speaking, wrestling differently than how those in the past did. The young guys are all about making sure their high spots get the pops from the crowd, and if they don't make sense within the flow of a match, who cares, because the crowd popped, right? And today's newer generations of fans are so trained to want the pops that if any of those Flair/Steamboat matches from '89 happened today, most would think it was boring.

Mic Foley said it best the other day. As long as the crowd reacts you did your job as long as it's not going away heat. And to be fair I always found Flair boring in the ring without the hyperbole antics and stuff. Great promo and heel never cared for his ring work. Was more of a Macho man Ricky Steamboat kind of guy. Then ECW/WCW introduced Lucha Libra style to the states I was hooked. Why and probably why most people today relate better to the Bucks then others is they can relate to them more. I and many can't relate to Brock lesnar or a Bobby Lashley but we sure as hell body wise and such can relate to Rey Mystero, The Bucks, Bryan Danielson, Yuta Wheeler etc. Most of us loved CM Punk back in the day because he was a rebel and didn't do what he was told. He was also told no numerious times in WWE and it was Paul Heyman who saved his WWE Job. And many people respected Heyman's work already. A long the way Punk lost his way similar to Seth has. only difference is Punk became a Mark for himself while Seth became a Company one.

We aren't sorry for the older Generation that we don't like that styled from 3 decades ago because we can't really related to those guys.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Like I previously stated it sounded like Punk was trying to pull a Lesnar in AEW and didn't realize the pushback he'd get. It's ironic because this is the type of behavior he called out in WWE from people like Brock and others. Meanwhile in recent yrs Brock seems more responsive to helping get other talent pushed when working with him.

According to PWInder, CM Punk wanted Tony Khan to “tone down” AEW’s style from his first day there.
This was apparently talked about, mocked and even laughed at by several wrestlers backstage in AEW.
Punk was also irked that the younger wrestlers didn’t want or straight up refused to listen to his advice.
Some in the company did not need Punk, so, for him to come into the company and start trying to change it, the situation was doomed from the very beginning.

Sounds like the younger wrestlers were the problem. If one of the few legends who is there is offering you unsolicited advice, maybe take it or at least listen to it, rather than refusing to listen altogether. I get that Punk is a pain in the butt and probably doesn't have good people skills, but the blame pie chart has a lot more names than just his.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I know the Bucks aren't everyone's cup of tea but I do find it funny even if they were leaking the stuff the WWE marks are running with it when they boy John Cena was notorious for leaking **** to Meltzer about talent for yrs. Hunter did the same thing along with HBK, and Orton. They'd make up lies or stories on certain talent to get heat on them and WWE could get rid of them. Cena would run to Vince any time talent complained about him or Vince like a little school girl and Orton tried to make it seem Ken Anderson was a terrible worker and unsafe in the ring all because randy himself is made of glass. Its also funny the marks who hated Punk now love him because he's being negative about AEW. Now they want him back in WWE.

My point is if what you think the Bucks did is wrong don't be going and defending WWE who has talent or had talent do similar. Shouldn't matter what skill set the talent has or good at. If you're mad at one party you better be prepared to go after their own. I'll try not to get too political but its like people mentioning human right violations or military illegal stuff from other countries but defending the US when they do it. Do as I say not as I do. I guess thats the IWC though.

And I agree, I think the Bucks are talented, and they CAN wrestle a good match. Most of the time they choose not to, more often it seems like they are just wrestling high spot to high spot, and they would definitely have had to change the way they work if they went to WWE.

It's funny, WWE takes a lot of crap (rightfully so) because most of the matches look the same, they all are worked in the "WWE style" and 50/50 booking etc.

AEW was supposed to be different, but at this point it is different but most of the matches look the same, with the scatterbrained matches that are high spot to high spot, working the floor, everyone does the strong style chop spots. It's just a different kind of same lol.

That all goes back to the younger generation, generally speaking, wrestling differently than how those in the past did. The young guys are all about making sure their high spots get the pops from the crowd, and if they don't make sense within the flow of a match, who cares, because the crowd popped, right? And today's newer generations of fans are so trained to want the pops that if any of those Flair/Steamboat matches from '89 happened today, most would think it was boring.

Mic Foley said it best the other day. As long as the crowd reacts you did your job as long as it's not going away heat. And to be fair I always found Flair boring in the ring without the hyperbole antics and stuff. Great promo and heel never cared for his ring work. Was more of a Macho man Ricky Steamboat kind of guy. Then ECW/WCW introduced Lucha Libra style to the states I was hooked. Why and probably why most people today relate better to the Bucks then others is they can relate to them more. I and many can't relate to Brock lesnar or a Bobby Lashley but we sure as hell body wise and such can relate to Rey Mystero, The Bucks, Bryan Danielson, Yuta Wheeler etc. Most of us loved CM Punk back in the day because he was a rebel and didn't do what he was told. He was also told no numerious times in WWE and it was Paul Heyman who saved his WWE Job. And many people respected Heyman's work already. A long the way Punk lost his way similar to Seth has. only difference is Punk became a Mark for himself while Seth became a Company one.

We aren't sorry for the older Generation that we don't like that styled from 3 decades ago because we can't really related to those guys.

I think Flair's a bit overrated myself (sorry, old timers, most of his 45 to 60 minute matches were snoozers), but there are cheap pops and then there are real pops. A guy like Shane McMahon is a spot monkey, as he is only reason for being in the ring, other than to demonstrate again that the McMahons are the Lords of the Wrestling Universe, was to get cheap pops from high spots. Does he have one memorable match that didn't have some stipulation or title on the line? No hell in the call or no DQ or tables match. Just him and another one on one in a normal match. If you can't pull that off and have a good match, then you really aren't much of a worker.

 

[Tom Servo]

I know the Bucks aren't everyone's cup of tea but I do find it funny even if they were leaking the stuff the WWE marks are running with it when they boy John Cena was notorious for leaking **** to Meltzer about talent for yrs. Hunter did the same thing along with HBK, and Orton. They'd make up lies or stories on certain talent to get heat on them and WWE could get rid of them. Cena would run to Vince any time talent complained about him or Vince like a little school girl and Orton tried to make it seem Ken Anderson was a terrible worker and unsafe in the ring all because randy himself is made of glass. Its also funny the marks who hated Punk now love him because he's being negative about AEW. Now they want him back in WWE.

My point is if what you think the Bucks did is wrong don't be going and defending WWE who has talent or had talent do similar. Shouldn't matter what skill set the talent has or good at. If you're mad at one party you better be prepared to go after their own. I'll try not to get too political but its like people mentioning human right violations or military illegal stuff from other countries but defending the US when they do it. Do as I say not as I do. I guess thats the IWC though.

And I agree, I think the Bucks are talented, and they CAN wrestle a good match. Most of the time they choose not to, more often it seems like they are just wrestling high spot to high spot, and they would definitely have had to change the way they work if they went to WWE.

It's funny, WWE takes a lot of crap (rightfully so) because most of the matches look the same, they all are worked in the "WWE style" and 50/50 booking etc.

AEW was supposed to be different, but at this point it is different but most of the matches look the same, with the scatterbrained matches that are high spot to high spot, working the floor, everyone does the strong style chop spots. It's just a different kind of same lol.

That all goes back to the younger generation, generally speaking, wrestling differently than how those in the past did. The young guys are all about making sure their high spots get the pops from the crowd, and if they don't make sense within the flow of a match, who cares, because the crowd popped, right? And today's newer generations of fans are so trained to want the pops that if any of those Flair/Steamboat matches from '89 happened today, most would think it was boring.

Mic Foley said it best the other day. As long as the crowd reacts you did your job as long as it's not going away heat. And to be fair I always found Flair boring in the ring without the hyperbole antics and stuff. Great promo and heel never cared for his ring work. Was more of a Macho man Ricky Steamboat kind of guy. Then ECW/WCW introduced Lucha Libra style to the states I was hooked. Why and probably why most people today relate better to the Bucks then others is they can relate to them more. I and many can't relate to Brock lesnar or a Bobby Lashley but we sure as hell body wise and such can relate to Rey Mystero, The Bucks, Bryan Danielson, Yuta Wheeler etc. Most of us loved CM Punk back in the day because he was a rebel and didn't do what he was told. He was also told no numerious times in WWE and it was Paul Heyman who saved his WWE Job. And many people respected Heyman's work already. A long the way Punk lost his way similar to Seth has. only difference is Punk became a Mark for himself while Seth became a Company one.

We aren't sorry for the older Generation that we don't like that styled from 3 decades ago because we can't really related to those guys.

I think Flair's a bit overrated myself (sorry, old timers, most of his 45 to 60 minute matches were snoozers), but there are cheap pops and then there are real pops.

I’m putting you on ignore for saying this.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I know the Bucks aren't everyone's cup of tea but I do find it funny even if they were leaking the stuff the WWE marks are running with it when they boy John Cena was notorious for leaking **** to Meltzer about talent for yrs. Hunter did the same thing along with HBK, and Orton. They'd make up lies or stories on certain talent to get heat on them and WWE could get rid of them. Cena would run to Vince any time talent complained about him or Vince like a little school girl and Orton tried to make it seem Ken Anderson was a terrible worker and unsafe in the ring all because randy himself is made of glass. Its also funny the marks who hated Punk now love him because he's being negative about AEW. Now they want him back in WWE.

My point is if what you think the Bucks did is wrong don't be going and defending WWE who has talent or had talent do similar. Shouldn't matter what skill set the talent has or good at. If you're mad at one party you better be prepared to go after their own. I'll try not to get too political but its like people mentioning human right violations or military illegal stuff from other countries but defending the US when they do it. Do as I say not as I do. I guess thats the IWC though.

And I agree, I think the Bucks are talented, and they CAN wrestle a good match. Most of the time they choose not to, more often it seems like they are just wrestling high spot to high spot, and they would definitely have had to change the way they work if they went to WWE.

It's funny, WWE takes a lot of crap (rightfully so) because most of the matches look the same, they all are worked in the "WWE style" and 50/50 booking etc.

AEW was supposed to be different, but at this point it is different but most of the matches look the same, with the scatterbrained matches that are high spot to high spot, working the floor, everyone does the strong style chop spots. It's just a different kind of same lol.

That all goes back to the younger generation, generally speaking, wrestling differently than how those in the past did. The young guys are all about making sure their high spots get the pops from the crowd, and if they don't make sense within the flow of a match, who cares, because the crowd popped, right? And today's newer generations of fans are so trained to want the pops that if any of those Flair/Steamboat matches from '89 happened today, most would think it was boring.

Mic Foley said it best the other day. As long as the crowd reacts you did your job as long as it's not going away heat. And to be fair I always found Flair boring in the ring without the hyperbole antics and stuff. Great promo and heel never cared for his ring work. Was more of a Macho man Ricky Steamboat kind of guy. Then ECW/WCW introduced Lucha Libra style to the states I was hooked. Why and probably why most people today relate better to the Bucks then others is they can relate to them more. I and many can't relate to Brock lesnar or a Bobby Lashley but we sure as hell body wise and such can relate to Rey Mystero, The Bucks, Bryan Danielson, Yuta Wheeler etc. Most of us loved CM Punk back in the day because he was a rebel and didn't do what he was told. He was also told no numerious times in WWE and it was Paul Heyman who saved his WWE Job. And many people respected Heyman's work already. A long the way Punk lost his way similar to Seth has. only difference is Punk became a Mark for himself while Seth became a Company one.

We aren't sorry for the older Generation that we don't like that styled from 3 decades ago because we can't really related to those guys.

I think Flair's a bit overrated myself (sorry, old timers, most of his 45 to 60 minute matches were snoozers), but there are cheap pops and then there are real pops.

I’m putting you on ignore for saying this.

That's tough.

But hey, it's not my fault that y'all overrated a guy who spent most of his prime wrestling in front of 3,000 people in Atlanta while the guy up north was selling out arenas all over the country.

 

[DJackson10]

I know the Bucks aren't everyone's cup of tea but I do find it funny even if they were leaking the stuff the WWE marks are running with it when they boy John Cena was notorious for leaking **** to Meltzer about talent for yrs. Hunter did the same thing along with HBK, and Orton. They'd make up lies or stories on certain talent to get heat on them and WWE could get rid of them. Cena would run to Vince any time talent complained about him or Vince like a little school girl and Orton tried to make it seem Ken Anderson was a terrible worker and unsafe in the ring all because randy himself is made of glass. Its also funny the marks who hated Punk now love him because he's being negative about AEW. Now they want him back in WWE.

My point is if what you think the Bucks did is wrong don't be going and defending WWE who has talent or had talent do similar. Shouldn't matter what skill set the talent has or good at. If you're mad at one party you better be prepared to go after their own. I'll try not to get too political but its like people mentioning human right violations or military illegal stuff from other countries but defending the US when they do it. Do as I say not as I do. I guess thats the IWC though.

And I agree, I think the Bucks are talented, and they CAN wrestle a good match. Most of the time they choose not to, more often it seems like they are just wrestling high spot to high spot, and they would definitely have had to change the way they work if they went to WWE.

It's funny, WWE takes a lot of crap (rightfully so) because most of the matches look the same, they all are worked in the "WWE style" and 50/50 booking etc.

AEW was supposed to be different, but at this point it is different but most of the matches look the same, with the scatterbrained matches that are high spot to high spot, working the floor, everyone does the strong style chop spots. It's just a different kind of same lol.

That all goes back to the younger generation, generally speaking, wrestling differently than how those in the past did. The young guys are all about making sure their high spots get the pops from the crowd, and if they don't make sense within the flow of a match, who cares, because the crowd popped, right? And today's newer generations of fans are so trained to want the pops that if any of those Flair/Steamboat matches from '89 happened today, most would think it was boring.

Mic Foley said it best the other day. As long as the crowd reacts you did your job as long as it's not going away heat. And to be fair I always found Flair boring in the ring without the hyperbole antics and stuff. Great promo and heel never cared for his ring work. Was more of a Macho man Ricky Steamboat kind of guy. Then ECW/WCW introduced Lucha Libra style to the states I was hooked. Why and probably why most people today relate better to the Bucks then others is they can relate to them more. I and many can't relate to Brock lesnar or a Bobby Lashley but we sure as hell body wise and such can relate to Rey Mystero, The Bucks, Bryan Danielson, Yuta Wheeler etc. Most of us loved CM Punk back in the day because he was a rebel and didn't do what he was told. He was also told no numerious times in WWE and it was Paul Heyman who saved his WWE Job. And many people respected Heyman's work already. A long the way Punk lost his way similar to Seth has. only difference is Punk became a Mark for himself while Seth became a Company one.

We aren't sorry for the older Generation that we don't like that styled from 3 decades ago because we can't really related to those guys.

I think Flair's a bit overrated myself (sorry, old timers, most of his 45 to 60 minute matches were snoozers), but there are cheap pops and then there are real pops.

I’m putting you on ignore for saying this.

That's tough.

But hey, it's not my fault that y'all overrated a guy who spent most of his prime wrestling in front of 3,000 people in Atlanta while the guy up north was selling out arenas all over the country.

He also stole the gimmick from someone else remember

 

[DJackson10]

Like I previously stated it sounded like Punk was trying to pull a Lesnar in AEW and didn't realize the pushback he'd get. It's ironic because this is the type of behavior he called out in WWE from people like Brock and others. Meanwhile in recent yrs Brock seems more responsive to helping get other talent pushed when working with him.

According to PWInder, CM Punk wanted Tony Khan to “tone down” AEW’s style from his first day there.
This was apparently talked about, mocked and even laughed at by several wrestlers backstage in AEW.
Punk was also irked that the younger wrestlers didn’t want or straight up refused to listen to his advice.
Some in the company did not need Punk, so, for him to come into the company and start trying to change it, the situation was doomed from the very beginning.

Sounds like the younger wrestlers were the problem. If one of the few legends who is there is offering you unsolicited advice, maybe take it or at least listen to it, rather than refusing to listen altogether. I get that Punk is a pain in the butt and probably doesn't have good people skills, but the blame pie chart has a lot more names than just his.

Punk really wasn't a legend. They also had Roberts, Tully, Jericho, Serena Deab, Paul Wight, Mark Henry, Arn Anderson, William Regal to name a few. Punk came back lazy and out of shape. Wrestling landscape has also changed since he had initially left. Punk couldn't read the room.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Like I previously stated it sounded like Punk was trying to pull a Lesnar in AEW and didn't realize the pushback he'd get. It's ironic because this is the type of behavior he called out in WWE from people like Brock and others. Meanwhile in recent yrs Brock seems more responsive to helping get other talent pushed when working with him.

According to PWInder, CM Punk wanted Tony Khan to “tone down” AEW’s style from his first day there.
This was apparently talked about, mocked and even laughed at by several wrestlers backstage in AEW.
Punk was also irked that the younger wrestlers didn’t want or straight up refused to listen to his advice.
Some in the company did not need Punk, so, for him to come into the company and start trying to change it, the situation was doomed from the very beginning.

Sounds like the younger wrestlers were the problem. If one of the few legends who is there is offering you unsolicited advice, maybe take it or at least listen to it, rather than refusing to listen altogether. I get that Punk is a pain in the butt and probably doesn't have good people skills, but the blame pie chart has a lot more names than just his.

Punk really wasn't a legend. They also had Roberts, Tully, Jericho, Serena Deab, Paul Wight, Mark Henry, Arn Anderson, William Regal to name a few. Punk came back lazy and out of shape. Wrestling landscape has also changed since he had initially left. Punk couldn't read the room.

Punk and Jericho (IIRC) are the only two of those who were active were active wrestlers. no? The others were merely for window dressing and to get a bit of old star power.

I don't think Punk came back lazy and out of shape. He is just older and can't seem to stay healthy anymore (and likely doesn't 'roid up to heal quicker, ala Triple H). He is in his 40s now, when nagging injuries start creeping in more and more often. But he is definitely a legend of the industry.

 

[Tom Servo]

I know the Bucks aren't everyone's cup of tea but I do find it funny even if they were leaking the stuff the WWE marks are running with it when they boy John Cena was notorious for leaking **** to Meltzer about talent for yrs. Hunter did the same thing along with HBK, and Orton. They'd make up lies or stories on certain talent to get heat on them and WWE could get rid of them. Cena would run to Vince any time talent complained about him or Vince like a little school girl and Orton tried to make it seem Ken Anderson was a terrible worker and unsafe in the ring all because randy himself is made of glass. Its also funny the marks who hated Punk now love him because he's being negative about AEW. Now they want him back in WWE.

My point is if what you think the Bucks did is wrong don't be going and defending WWE who has talent or had talent do similar. Shouldn't matter what skill set the talent has or good at. If you're mad at one party you better be prepared to go after their own. I'll try not to get too political but its like people mentioning human right violations or military illegal stuff from other countries but defending the US when they do it. Do as I say not as I do. I guess thats the IWC though.

And I agree, I think the Bucks are talented, and they CAN wrestle a good match. Most of the time they choose not to, more often it seems like they are just wrestling high spot to high spot, and they would definitely have had to change the way they work if they went to WWE.

It's funny, WWE takes a lot of crap (rightfully so) because most of the matches look the same, they all are worked in the "WWE style" and 50/50 booking etc.

AEW was supposed to be different, but at this point it is different but most of the matches look the same, with the scatterbrained matches that are high spot to high spot, working the floor, everyone does the strong style chop spots. It's just a different kind of same lol.

That all goes back to the younger generation, generally speaking, wrestling differently than how those in the past did. The young guys are all about making sure their high spots get the pops from the crowd, and if they don't make sense within the flow of a match, who cares, because the crowd popped, right? And today's newer generations of fans are so trained to want the pops that if any of those Flair/Steamboat matches from '89 happened today, most would think it was boring.

Mic Foley said it best the other day. As long as the crowd reacts you did your job as long as it's not going away heat. And to be fair I always found Flair boring in the ring without the hyperbole antics and stuff. Great promo and heel never cared for his ring work. Was more of a Macho man Ricky Steamboat kind of guy. Then ECW/WCW introduced Lucha Libra style to the states I was hooked. Why and probably why most people today relate better to the Bucks then others is they can relate to them more. I and many can't relate to Brock lesnar or a Bobby Lashley but we sure as hell body wise and such can relate to Rey Mystero, The Bucks, Bryan Danielson, Yuta Wheeler etc. Most of us loved CM Punk back in the day because he was a rebel and didn't do what he was told. He was also told no numerious times in WWE and it was Paul Heyman who saved his WWE Job. And many people respected Heyman's work already. A long the way Punk lost his way similar to Seth has. only difference is Punk became a Mark for himself while Seth became a Company one.

We aren't sorry for the older Generation that we don't like that styled from 3 decades ago because we can't really related to those guys.

I think Flair's a bit overrated myself (sorry, old timers, most of his 45 to 60 minute matches were snoozers), but there are cheap pops and then there are real pops.

I’m putting you on ignore for saying this.

That's tough.

But hey, it's not my fault that y'all overrated a guy who spent most of his prime wrestling in front of 3,000 people in Atlanta while the guy up north was selling out arenas all over the country.

I'm kidding. However, I will say that Flair was the last of the true travelling NWA World Champions. He defended the strap literally all over the world. Hogan never left the northeast.

 

[Shutout]

If you grew up during the Ric Flair/Dusty Rhodes era and was a young adult during the Steve Austin/Rock era, this is the exact point you should have stopped watching pro wrestling. It was never as good afte that and never will be.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I know the Bucks aren't everyone's cup of tea but I do find it funny even if they were leaking the stuff the WWE marks are running with it when they boy John Cena was notorious for leaking **** to Meltzer about talent for yrs. Hunter did the same thing along with HBK, and Orton. They'd make up lies or stories on certain talent to get heat on them and WWE could get rid of them. Cena would run to Vince any time talent complained about him or Vince like a little school girl and Orton tried to make it seem Ken Anderson was a terrible worker and unsafe in the ring all because randy himself is made of glass. Its also funny the marks who hated Punk now love him because he's being negative about AEW. Now they want him back in WWE.

My point is if what you think the Bucks did is wrong don't be going and defending WWE who has talent or had talent do similar. Shouldn't matter what skill set the talent has or good at. If you're mad at one party you better be prepared to go after their own. I'll try not to get too political but its like people mentioning human right violations or military illegal stuff from other countries but defending the US when they do it. Do as I say not as I do. I guess thats the IWC though.

And I agree, I think the Bucks are talented, and they CAN wrestle a good match. Most of the time they choose not to, more often it seems like they are just wrestling high spot to high spot, and they would definitely have had to change the way they work if they went to WWE.

It's funny, WWE takes a lot of crap (rightfully so) because most of the matches look the same, they all are worked in the "WWE style" and 50/50 booking etc.

AEW was supposed to be different, but at this point it is different but most of the matches look the same, with the scatterbrained matches that are high spot to high spot, working the floor, everyone does the strong style chop spots. It's just a different kind of same lol.

That all goes back to the younger generation, generally speaking, wrestling differently than how those in the past did. The young guys are all about making sure their high spots get the pops from the crowd, and if they don't make sense within the flow of a match, who cares, because the crowd popped, right? And today's newer generations of fans are so trained to want the pops that if any of those Flair/Steamboat matches from '89 happened today, most would think it was boring.

Mic Foley said it best the other day. As long as the crowd reacts you did your job as long as it's not going away heat. And to be fair I always found Flair boring in the ring without the hyperbole antics and stuff. Great promo and heel never cared for his ring work. Was more of a Macho man Ricky Steamboat kind of guy. Then ECW/WCW introduced Lucha Libra style to the states I was hooked. Why and probably why most people today relate better to the Bucks then others is they can relate to them more. I and many can't relate to Brock lesnar or a Bobby Lashley but we sure as hell body wise and such can relate to Rey Mystero, The Bucks, Bryan Danielson, Yuta Wheeler etc. Most of us loved CM Punk back in the day because he was a rebel and didn't do what he was told. He was also told no numerious times in WWE and it was Paul Heyman who saved his WWE Job. And many people respected Heyman's work already. A long the way Punk lost his way similar to Seth has. only difference is Punk became a Mark for himself while Seth became a Company one.

We aren't sorry for the older Generation that we don't like that styled from 3 decades ago because we can't really related to those guys.

I think Flair's a bit overrated myself (sorry, old timers, most of his 45 to 60 minute matches were snoozers), but there are cheap pops and then there are real pops.

I’m putting you on ignore for saying this.

That's tough.

But hey, it's not my fault that y'all overrated a guy who spent most of his prime wrestling in front of 3,000 people in Atlanta while the guy up north was selling out arenas all over the country.

I'm kidding. However, I will say that Flair was the last of the true travelling NWA World Champions. He defended the strap literally all over the world. Hogan never left the northeast.

One thing you can never say about Flair is that he didn't work hard. He partied hard and worked hard. Ron Garvin said in a shoot a while back that Flair always had the strap because no one else was willing to be on the road non-stop like he was, and I believe it. Hard to believe he is still alive.

If you grew up during the Ric Flair/Dusty Rhodes era and was a young adult during the Steve Austin/Rock era, this is the exact point you should have stopped watching pro wrestling. It was never as good afte that and never will be.

Dusty Rhodes was the worst "main event" star ever. He always seemed like a phony, was fat and looked like he never worked out in his life, and everything I have heard about him behind the scenes tells me that he was a piece of garbage.

 

[Dusty Rhodes]

Dusty Rhodes was the worst "main event" star ever. He always seemed like a phony, was fat and looked like he never worked out in his life, and everything I have heard about him behind the scenes tells me that he was a piece of garbage.

Dusty Rhodes was the worst "main event" star ever. He always seemed like a phony, was fat and looked like he never worked out in his life, and everything I have heard about him behind the scenes tells me that he was a piece of garbage.

The hell you say

 

[DJackson10]

Like I previously stated it sounded like Punk was trying to pull a Lesnar in AEW and didn't realize the pushback he'd get. It's ironic because this is the type of behavior he called out in WWE from people like Brock and others. Meanwhile in recent yrs Brock seems more responsive to helping get other talent pushed when working with him.

According to PWInder, CM Punk wanted Tony Khan to “tone down” AEW’s style from his first day there.
This was apparently talked about, mocked and even laughed at by several wrestlers backstage in AEW.
Punk was also irked that the younger wrestlers didn’t want or straight up refused to listen to his advice.
Some in the company did not need Punk, so, for him to come into the company and start trying to change it, the situation was doomed from the very beginning.

Sounds like the younger wrestlers were the problem. If one of the few legends who is there is offering you unsolicited advice, maybe take it or at least listen to it, rather than refusing to listen altogether. I get that Punk is a pain in the butt and probably doesn't have good people skills, but the blame pie chart has a lot more names than just his.

Punk really wasn't a legend. They also had Roberts, Tully, Jericho, Serena Deab, Paul Wight, Mark Henry, Arn Anderson, William Regal to name a few. Punk came back lazy and out of shape. Wrestling landscape has also changed since he had initially left. Punk couldn't read the room.

Punk and Jericho (IIRC) are the only two of those who were active were active wrestlers. no? The others were merely for window dressing and to get a bit of old star power.

I don't think Punk came back lazy and out of shape. He is just older and can't seem to stay healthy anymore (and likely doesn't 'roid up to heal quicker, ala Triple H). He is in his 40s now, when nagging injuries start creeping in more and more often. But he is definitely a legend of the industry.

Yes but the others are coaches mentors and other backstage hands. plenty of people. Punk doesn't have a lot of resect from the newer or some of the older talent in AEW or elsewhere after what he did to Colt Cabana. From what I've read and heard most of the talent has a lot of respect for Jericho, Danielson and Moxley. When Page got hurt Mox was one of the first to reach out and make sure he was ok even calling Adam's wife.

I somehow have forgotten to Mention but Taz is another vet not wrestling there. My point is it's not like AEW lacked experienced vets and people who got over.

 

[DJackson10]

I know the Bucks aren't everyone's cup of tea but I do find it funny even if they were leaking the stuff the WWE marks are running with it when they boy John Cena was notorious for leaking **** to Meltzer about talent for yrs. Hunter did the same thing along with HBK, and Orton. They'd make up lies or stories on certain talent to get heat on them and WWE could get rid of them. Cena would run to Vince any time talent complained about him or Vince like a little school girl and Orton tried to make it seem Ken Anderson was a terrible worker and unsafe in the ring all because randy himself is made of glass. Its also funny the marks who hated Punk now love him because he's being negative about AEW. Now they want him back in WWE.

My point is if what you think the Bucks did is wrong don't be going and defending WWE who has talent or had talent do similar. Shouldn't matter what skill set the talent has or good at. If you're mad at one party you better be prepared to go after their own. I'll try not to get too political but its like people mentioning human right violations or military illegal stuff from other countries but defending the US when they do it. Do as I say not as I do. I guess thats the IWC though.

And I agree, I think the Bucks are talented, and they CAN wrestle a good match. Most of the time they choose not to, more often it seems like they are just wrestling high spot to high spot, and they would definitely have had to change the way they work if they went to WWE.

It's funny, WWE takes a lot of crap (rightfully so) because most of the matches look the same, they all are worked in the "WWE style" and 50/50 booking etc.

AEW was supposed to be different, but at this point it is different but most of the matches look the same, with the scatterbrained matches that are high spot to high spot, working the floor, everyone does the strong style chop spots. It's just a different kind of same lol.

That all goes back to the younger generation, generally speaking, wrestling differently than how those in the past did. The young guys are all about making sure their high spots get the pops from the crowd, and if they don't make sense within the flow of a match, who cares, because the crowd popped, right? And today's newer generations of fans are so trained to want the pops that if any of those Flair/Steamboat matches from '89 happened today, most would think it was boring.

Mic Foley said it best the other day. As long as the crowd reacts you did your job as long as it's not going away heat. And to be fair I always found Flair boring in the ring without the hyperbole antics and stuff. Great promo and heel never cared for his ring work. Was more of a Macho man Ricky Steamboat kind of guy. Then ECW/WCW introduced Lucha Libra style to the states I was hooked. Why and probably why most people today relate better to the Bucks then others is they can relate to them more. I and many can't relate to Brock lesnar or a Bobby Lashley but we sure as hell body wise and such can relate to Rey Mystero, The Bucks, Bryan Danielson, Yuta Wheeler etc. Most of us loved CM Punk back in the day because he was a rebel and didn't do what he was told. He was also told no numerious times in WWE and it was Paul Heyman who saved his WWE Job. And many people respected Heyman's work already. A long the way Punk lost his way similar to Seth has. only difference is Punk became a Mark for himself while Seth became a Company one.

We aren't sorry for the older Generation that we don't like that styled from 3 decades ago because we can't really related to those guys.

I think Flair's a bit overrated myself (sorry, old timers, most of his 45 to 60 minute matches were snoozers), but there are cheap pops and then there are real pops.

I’m putting you on ignore for saying this.

That's tough.

But hey, it's not my fault that y'all overrated a guy who spent most of his prime wrestling in front of 3,000 people in Atlanta while the guy up north was selling out arenas all over the country.

I'm kidding. However, I will say that Flair was the last of the true travelling NWA World Champions. He defended the strap literally all over the world. Hogan never left the northeast.

Nick Aldis while NWA wasn't on for awhile traveled the world with the belt. Dropped it to Cody for a bit before regaining it again.

 

[DJackson10]

everything I have heard about him behind the scenes tells me that he was a piece of garbage.

I mean maybe while he wrestled but while he was with NXT he was like a father figure to so many. Helped a ton of talent.

 

[Shutout]

I know the Bucks aren't everyone's cup of tea but I do find it funny even if they were leaking the stuff the WWE marks are running with it when they boy John Cena was notorious for leaking **** to Meltzer about talent for yrs. Hunter did the same thing along with HBK, and Orton. They'd make up lies or stories on certain talent to get heat on them and WWE could get rid of them. Cena would run to Vince any time talent complained about him or Vince like a little school girl and Orton tried to make it seem Ken Anderson was a terrible worker and unsafe in the ring all because randy himself is made of glass. Its also funny the marks who hated Punk now love him because he's being negative about AEW. Now they want him back in WWE.

My point is if what you think the Bucks did is wrong don't be going and defending WWE who has talent or had talent do similar. Shouldn't matter what skill set the talent has or good at. If you're mad at one party you better be prepared to go after their own. I'll try not to get too political but its like people mentioning human right violations or military illegal stuff from other countries but defending the US when they do it. Do as I say not as I do. I guess thats the IWC though.

And I agree, I think the Bucks are talented, and they CAN wrestle a good match. Most of the time they choose not to, more often it seems like they are just wrestling high spot to high spot, and they would definitely have had to change the way they work if they went to WWE.

It's funny, WWE takes a lot of crap (rightfully so) because most of the matches look the same, they all are worked in the "WWE style" and 50/50 booking etc.

AEW was supposed to be different, but at this point it is different but most of the matches look the same, with the scatterbrained matches that are high spot to high spot, working the floor, everyone does the strong style chop spots. It's just a different kind of same lol.

That all goes back to the younger generation, generally speaking, wrestling differently than how those in the past did. The young guys are all about making sure their high spots get the pops from the crowd, and if they don't make sense within the flow of a match, who cares, because the crowd popped, right? And today's newer generations of fans are so trained to want the pops that if any of those Flair/Steamboat matches from '89 happened today, most would think it was boring.

Mic Foley said it best the other day. As long as the crowd reacts you did your job as long as it's not going away heat. And to be fair I always found Flair boring in the ring without the hyperbole antics and stuff. Great promo and heel never cared for his ring work. Was more of a Macho man Ricky Steamboat kind of guy. Then ECW/WCW introduced Lucha Libra style to the states I was hooked. Why and probably why most people today relate better to the Bucks then others is they can relate to them more. I and many can't relate to Brock lesnar or a Bobby Lashley but we sure as hell body wise and such can relate to Rey Mystero, The Bucks, Bryan Danielson, Yuta Wheeler etc. Most of us loved CM Punk back in the day because he was a rebel and didn't do what he was told. He was also told no numerious times in WWE and it was Paul Heyman who saved his WWE Job. And many people respected Heyman's work already. A long the way Punk lost his way similar to Seth has. only difference is Punk became a Mark for himself while Seth became a Company one.

We aren't sorry for the older Generation that we don't like that styled from 3 decades ago because we can't really related to those guys.

I think Flair's a bit overrated myself (sorry, old timers, most of his 45 to 60 minute matches were snoozers), but there are cheap pops and then there are real pops.

I’m putting you on ignore for saying this.

That's tough.

But hey, it's not my fault that y'all overrated a guy who spent most of his prime wrestling in front of 3,000 people in Atlanta while the guy up north was selling out arenas all over the country.

I'm kidding. However, I will say that Flair was the last of the true travelling NWA World Champions. He defended the strap literally all over the world. Hogan never left the northeast.

One thing you can never say about Flair is that he didn't work hard. He partied hard and worked hard. Ron Garvin said in a shoot a while back that Flair always had the strap because no one else was willing to be on the road non-stop like he was, and I believe it. Hard to believe he is still alive.

If you grew up during the Ric Flair/Dusty Rhodes era and was a young adult during the Steve Austin/Rock era, this is the exact point you should have stopped watching pro wrestling. It was never as good afte that and never will be.

Dusty Rhodes was the worst "main event" star ever. He always seemed like a phony, was fat and looked like he never worked out in his life, and everything I have heard about him behind the scenes tells me that he was a piece of garbage.

What you miss is that all those things you criticize about him...those are the things that describe him as an everyday person in America and that made him incredibly relatable to the average person, making him an extremely popular.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Cena vs. Logan Paul at Mania.

Color me intrigued.

 

[Bogart]

Cena vs. Logan Paul at Mania.

Color me intrigued.

That would easily main event night one.

 

[Tom Servo]

Dusty Rhodes was the worst "main event" star ever. He always seemed like a phony, was fat and looked like he never worked out in his life, and everything I have heard about him behind the scenes tells me that he was a piece of garbage.

Dusty Rhodes was the worst "main event" star ever. He always seemed like a phony, was fat and looked like he never worked out in his life, and everything I have heard about him behind the scenes tells me that he was a piece of garbage.

The hell you say

Somebody fired up their alias for this.

 

[DJackson10]

Cena vs. Logan Paul at Mania.

Color me intrigued.

I'd rather see 2 young talents then have Cena and a Celebrity take up a spot to people who've been there all year

 

[Tom Servo]

Steel City Con is coming up next month. Here's a list of everyone that's going to be doing meet and greets. I gotta say a big fat NOPE to paying $225 to see the Undertaker. I can meet Jerry Lawler for $75 or my ex-wife Paula Abdul for $85

 

[DJackson10]

The Elite confirmed last night for Trio's titles on Sat. Also feels like MJF has something planned. I can see Regal turning and managing MJF after that stare down or maybe the Firm is still working for MJF.

 

[DJackson10]

Steel City Con is coming up next month. Here's a list of everyone that's going to be doing meet and greets. I gotta say a big fat NOPE to paying $225 to see the Undertaker. I can meet Jerry Lawler for $75 or my ex-wife Paula Abdul for $85

Hunnan,Hurt and Labraka, Brinkley, Jacob AKA Hawk, Daniel san Daughter, Mox, Martin Kove, Peyton List, Renee Paquette, Taker, William Zabka, sign me up

 

[DJackson10]

Many in AEW won't work with CM Punk. Around the industry some feel Punk hasn't changed and has gotten worse since leaving WWE. At least 8 different people personalities etc including 2 big name wrestlers in WWE have said if Punk were brought back to WWE they'd leave.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I know the Bucks aren't everyone's cup of tea but I do find it funny even if they were leaking the stuff the WWE marks are running with it when they boy John Cena was notorious for leaking **** to Meltzer about talent for yrs. Hunter did the same thing along with HBK, and Orton. They'd make up lies or stories on certain talent to get heat on them and WWE could get rid of them. Cena would run to Vince any time talent complained about him or Vince like a little school girl and Orton tried to make it seem Ken Anderson was a terrible worker and unsafe in the ring all because randy himself is made of glass. Its also funny the marks who hated Punk now love him because he's being negative about AEW. Now they want him back in WWE.

My point is if what you think the Bucks did is wrong don't be going and defending WWE who has talent or had talent do similar. Shouldn't matter what skill set the talent has or good at. If you're mad at one party you better be prepared to go after their own. I'll try not to get too political but its like people mentioning human right violations or military illegal stuff from other countries but defending the US when they do it. Do as I say not as I do. I guess thats the IWC though.

And I agree, I think the Bucks are talented, and they CAN wrestle a good match. Most of the time they choose not to, more often it seems like they are just wrestling high spot to high spot, and they would definitely have had to change the way they work if they went to WWE.

It's funny, WWE takes a lot of crap (rightfully so) because most of the matches look the same, they all are worked in the "WWE style" and 50/50 booking etc.

AEW was supposed to be different, but at this point it is different but most of the matches look the same, with the scatterbrained matches that are high spot to high spot, working the floor, everyone does the strong style chop spots. It's just a different kind of same lol.

That all goes back to the younger generation, generally speaking, wrestling differently than how those in the past did. The young guys are all about making sure their high spots get the pops from the crowd, and if they don't make sense within the flow of a match, who cares, because the crowd popped, right? And today's newer generations of fans are so trained to want the pops that if any of those Flair/Steamboat matches from '89 happened today, most would think it was boring.

Mic Foley said it best the other day. As long as the crowd reacts you did your job as long as it's not going away heat. And to be fair I always found Flair boring in the ring without the hyperbole antics and stuff. Great promo and heel never cared for his ring work. Was more of a Macho man Ricky Steamboat kind of guy. Then ECW/WCW introduced Lucha Libra style to the states I was hooked. Why and probably why most people today relate better to the Bucks then others is they can relate to them more. I and many can't relate to Brock lesnar or a Bobby Lashley but we sure as hell body wise and such can relate to Rey Mystero, The Bucks, Bryan Danielson, Yuta Wheeler etc. Most of us loved CM Punk back in the day because he was a rebel and didn't do what he was told. He was also told no numerious times in WWE and it was Paul Heyman who saved his WWE Job. And many people respected Heyman's work already. A long the way Punk lost his way similar to Seth has. only difference is Punk became a Mark for himself while Seth became a Company one.

We aren't sorry for the older Generation that we don't like that styled from 3 decades ago because we can't really related to those guys.

I think Flair's a bit overrated myself (sorry, old timers, most of his 45 to 60 minute matches were snoozers), but there are cheap pops and then there are real pops.

I’m putting you on ignore for saying this.

That's tough.

But hey, it's not my fault that y'all overrated a guy who spent most of his prime wrestling in front of 3,000 people in Atlanta while the guy up north was selling out arenas all over the country.

I'm kidding. However, I will say that Flair was the last of the true travelling NWA World Champions. He defended the strap literally all over the world. Hogan never left the northeast.

One thing you can never say about Flair is that he didn't work hard. He partied hard and worked hard. Ron Garvin said in a shoot a while back that Flair always had the strap because no one else was willing to be on the road non-stop like he was, and I believe it. Hard to believe he is still alive.

If you grew up during the Ric Flair/Dusty Rhodes era and was a young adult during the Steve Austin/Rock era, this is the exact point you should have stopped watching pro wrestling. It was never as good afte that and never will be.

Dusty Rhodes was the worst "main event" star ever. He always seemed like a phony, was fat and looked like he never worked out in his life, and everything I have heard about him behind the scenes tells me that he was a piece of garbage.

What you miss is that all those things you criticize about him...those are the things that describe him as an everyday person in America and that made him incredibly relatable to the average person, making him an extremely popular.

I get all that, but as I said before, I think he was a phony. He seemed like a piece of work who went into his everyman shtick the second the cameras turned on. Even back then, before I knew how awful he was behind the scenes in the 80s, that was my impression of him. He was actually one of the reasons why I didn't watch that much NWA in the mid to later 80s, and I groaned big time when I saw him show up in the WWF in 1989, but did a get good chuckle when Vince humiliated him by putting his oversized butt in polka dots.

 

[Bogart]

Steel City Con is coming up next month. Here's a list of everyone that's going to be doing meet and greets. I gotta say a big fat NOPE to paying $225 to see the Undertaker. I can meet Jerry Lawler for $75 or my ex-wife Paula Abdul for $85

Some of those group shots would be pretty cool. And all cheaper almost than the Deadman.

 

[Bogart]

Cena vs. Logan Paul at Mania.

Color me intrigued.

I'd rather see 2 young talents then have Cena and a Celebrity take up a spot to people who've been there all year

Gotta remember, 2 nights, plenty of spots. Also, Wrestlemania isn't for you, or me, or most people in this thread. It's for the Logan Paul fanbase that have never heard of WWE, that WWE then hopes they can retain 10-15% as new fans.

Cena v. Paul on Sat, and Roman v. Rock to close out Sunday would be a kicka$$ poster.

Let the people that have been there steal the show Savage/Steamboat style in the middle of the card.

 

[DJackson10]

Cena vs. Logan Paul at Mania.

Color me intrigued.

I'd rather see 2 young talents then have Cena and a Celebrity take up a spot to people who've been there all year

Gotta remember, 2 nights, plenty of spots. Also, Wrestlemania isn't for you, or me, or most people in this thread. It's for the Logan Paul fanbase that have never heard of WWE, that WWE then hopes they can retain 10-15% as new fans.

Cena v. Paul on Sat, and Roman v. Rock to close out Sunday would be a kicka$$ poster.

Let the people that have been there steal the show Savage/Steamboat style in the middle of the card.

Yeah doesn't mean I got to like it though.