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In 1997 Dean Malenko was rated the #1 wrestler in PWI Magazine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Wrestling_Illustrated#PWI_500

Did the guy deserve a world title run, or was he too little, weird-looking and stoic for the big stage? Discuss.
:lmao:

#876.....ARM BAR
:towelwave: I love the fact that they cut to commercial, came back, and he was still reading from the list. I can only imagine what was going on in the venue during the commercial break.
One of my all time favorite bits. I love the old school printer paper that goes all the way to the floor. :lmao:

 
In 1997 Dean Malenko was rated the #1 wrestler in PWI Magazine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Wrestling_Illustrated#PWI_500

Did the guy deserve a world title run, or was he too little, weird-looking and stoic for the big stage? Discuss.
:lmao:

#876.....ARM BAR
:towelwave: I love the fact that they cut to commercial, came back, and he was still reading from the list. I can only imagine what was going on in the venue during the commercial break.
One of my all time favorite bits. I love the old school printer paper that goes all the way to the floor. :lmao:
at this point, deserves a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpNmTNkuYQA
 
In 1997 Dean Malenko was rated the #1 wrestler in PWI Magazine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Wrestling_Illustrated#PWI_500

Did the guy deserve a world title run, or was he too little, weird-looking and stoic for the big stage? Discuss.
:lmao:

#876.....ARM BAR
:lmao:

That's gotta be one of the top 5 all time feuds
:goodposting: Loved the Jericho/Angry Midget fued! One of the best ones WCW had that wasn't NWO related.
has anyone been able to find this on the network? whenever i search for jericho, all you get is the matches, they never had the pre-stuff.

I would love a "documentary" on his whole time in WCW - how he started with just abusing the referrees for no reason, then the truck driver, etc.

 
The names he gives some of those moves, and the balled up paper at the end. :lol: Best promo ever.
"Moss covered 3 handled family credenzle"

:tebow:
The sad part is the announcers were completely oblivious to the greatness they were witnessing. All they wanted to talk about was the NWO. It's not hard to understand why he and others couldn't wait to get the hell out of WCW.

 
In 1997 Dean Malenko was rated the #1 wrestler in PWI Magazine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Wrestling_Illustrated#PWI_500

Did the guy deserve a world title run, or was he too little, weird-looking and stoic for the big stage? Discuss.
:lmao:

#876.....ARM BAR
:lmao:

That's gotta be one of the top 5 all time feuds
:goodposting: Loved the Jericho/Angry Midget fued! One of the best ones WCW had that wasn't NWO related.
has anyone been able to find this on the network? whenever i search for jericho, all you get is the matches, they never had the pre-stuff.

I would love a "documentary" on his whole time in WCW - how he started with just abusing the referrees for no reason, then the truck driver, etc.
There was a Monday night wars just about him. Had some great WCW stuff.

 
Going to throw this out.

Reigns goes over Bryan at Fastlane with the help of Rollins. Rollins says it's "best for business" that Reigns and not Bryan fights Brock at WM. Fans riot as creative fully embraces the outrage of Reigns push and blur the lines of reality and storyline. HHH goes into full troll mode going into WM.

This sets up Rollins vs. Bryan at WM. 5-star classic as they Savage/Steamboat steal the show. I don't care who goes over, everyone wins. (But probably Bryan who gets his revenge and smaller WM moment)

In the main event, Brock, slowed by his "injury", has a brutal match with Reigns, but guts it out and goes over. End of the match both guys are laid out flat. Fans confused as Reigns was "supposed to win". Rollins hits the ring, cashes in the briefcase and hits a quick Curb Stomp. Smarks mess themselves as Rollins is going to get his WM moment. But Brock kicks out at 2. Hits a series of vicious Germans and an F-5 for the win. Fade to black with Brock and Paul in the center of the ring staring down HHH and Steph at the top of the ramp.

News breaks on RAW the next night that Brock has signed a new contract with the WWE along with Bellator or UFC in a joint venture. MMA content starts showing up on the Network.

 
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Going to throw this out.

Reigns goes over Bryan at Fastlane with the help of Rollins. Rollins says it's "best for business" that Reigns and not Bryan fights Brock at WM. Fans riot as creative fully embraces the outrage of Reigns push and blur the lines of reality and storyline. HHH goes into full troll mode going into WM.

This sets up Rollins vs. Bryan at WM. 5-star classic as they Savage/Steamboat steal the show. I don't care who goes over, everyone wins. (But probably Bryan who gets his revenge and smaller WM moment)

In the main event, Brock, slowed by his "injury", has a brutal match with Reigns, but guts it out and goes over. End of the match both guys are laid out flat. Fans confused as Reigns was "supposed to win". Rollins hits the ring, cashes in the briefcase and hits a quick Curb Stomp. Smarks mess themselves as Rollins is going to get his WM moment. But Brock kicks out at 2. Hits a series of vicious Germans and an F-5 for the win. Fade to black with Brock and Paul in the center of the ring staring down HHH and Steph at the top of the ramp.

News breaks on RAW the next night that Brock has signed a new contract with the WWE along with Bellator or UFC in a joint venture. MMA content starts showing up on the Network.
Sounds interesting, but I doubt they'd want Rollins losing twice in one night. He is the future of the WWE afterall. ;)

 
In 1997 Dean Malenko was rated the #1 wrestler in PWI Magazine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Wrestling_Illustrated#PWI_500

Did the guy deserve a world title run, or was he too little, weird-looking and stoic for the big stage? Discuss.
:lmao:

#876.....ARM BAR
:lmao:

That's gotta be one of the top 5 all time feuds
:goodposting: Loved the Jericho/Angry Midget fued! One of the best ones WCW had that wasn't NWO related.
has anyone been able to find this on the network? whenever i search for jericho, all you get is the matches, they never had the pre-stuff.

I would love a "documentary" on his whole time in WCW - how he started with just abusing the referrees for no reason, then the truck driver, etc.
There was a Monday night wars just about him. Had some great WCW stuff.
thx. haven't made it that far yet

 
I guess I don't share your scorn for Reigns. Is he any worse than say the Ultimate Warrior? He couldn't wrestle a lick and was incoherent on the mic. But he was a big star before he got too big for his britches. In the land of sports entertainment you can get by without being Brett Hart in the ring. He will need to get better on the mic, but he'll get there.

I just don't like the fans having SO much power that they directly dictate what happens. Especially since not everyone wants the same things. Will there be another "cancel WWE Network" campaign if Cena should be given the belt again? Or if Ziggler doesn't get the push the internet fans think he deserves?

Maybe they have other long range plans for Bryan. Maybe his moment was planned for Summerslam. Maybe they feel after the long layoff that they need to re-establish him a little bit again like they didn't with Bautista.
Given the circumstances, Reigns is worse than the Ultimate Warrior. Back in the late '80s, WWF fans had never seen great workers aside from Savage and Steamboat. All that changed when Hart and Michaels rose to prominence and there hasn't been a mega-face of the company since that couldn't put on a great match. Also, FWIW, I'd still say Warrior's intensity and goofball interviews still trump what we've seen from Reigns. And Warrior just looked out of this world (ya, it was steroids, but still). Reigns, in contrast, needs to wear a shirt/chest protector to the ring at all times.

Beyond that, I don't think the fans would be as up in arms regarding the Cena and Ziggler scenarios you mentioned. The hardcore fans at least respect Cena and there are still other alternatives to promote over Ziggler (and Ziggler isn't necessarily universally loved by the smarks).
Fair enough. I just wish the smarks could sometimes just relax and enjoy the show. Sit back and let them tell us a story instead of trying to sabotage what they're trying to do. Cheer your favorites and stay silent for the talent you don't like. They'll get the message.

You know for as rebellious as those fans fancy themselves to be, they're pretty much as predictable as a partisan politician. There's not really much independent thought within the group.

Daniel Bryan = God

Ziggler - Being held down by "the man"

Cena - Sucks (even though he clearly doesn't)

Almost anything on the Indy Circuit or NXT - good (gotta get in on the ground floor for the next big thing)

Usos-boring (I think they're fun)

Reigns-Bad

ECW-The good old days (Sandman makes Reigns look like Eddie Guerrero)

Rollins-awesome (they're right about that, but let's let him be a heel. He's great at it.)

Cesaro-also being held down by the man (he's boring, IMO)
Be careful what you wish for. Silent crowds would kill the business

 
Going to throw this out.

Reigns goes over Bryan at Fastlane with the help of Rollins. Rollins says it's "best for business" that Reigns and not Bryan fights Brock at WM. Fans riot as creative fully embraces the outrage of Reigns push and blur the lines of reality and storyline. HHH goes into full troll mode going into WM.

This sets up Rollins vs. Bryan at WM. 5-star classic as they Savage/Steamboat steal the show. I don't care who goes over, everyone wins. (But probably Bryan who gets his revenge and smaller WM moment)

In the main event, Brock, slowed by his "injury", has a brutal match with Reigns, but guts it out and goes over. End of the match both guys are laid out flat. Fans confused as Reigns was "supposed to win". Rollins hits the ring, cashes in the briefcase and hits a quick Curb Stomp. Smarks mess themselves as Rollins is going to get his WM moment. But Brock kicks out at 2. Hits a series of vicious Germans and an F-5 for the win. Fade to black with Brock and Paul in the center of the ring staring down HHH and Steph at the top of the ramp.

News breaks on RAW the next night that Brock has signed a new contract with the WWE along with Bellator or UFC in a joint venture. MMA content starts showing up on the Network.
Hire bogart!!

 
In 1997 Dean Malenko was rated the #1 wrestler in PWI Magazine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Wrestling_Illustrated#PWI_500

Did the guy deserve a world title run, or was he too little, weird-looking and stoic for the big stage? Discuss.
There's a perfect example of the disconnect between the fans that want "wrestling" and those that want "entertainment". Great in the ring, but very plain. I wonder what the internet marks would think of him.
The New Japan 3 (Malenko, Guerrero, and Benoit) were almost universally celebrated on the 'net during that time frame. It was a big thing when they left ECW for WCW.

 
Going to throw this out.

Reigns goes over Bryan at Fastlane with the help of Rollins. Rollins says it's "best for business" that Reigns and not Bryan fights Brock at WM. Fans riot as creative fully embraces the outrage of Reigns push and blur the lines of reality and storyline. HHH goes into full troll mode going into WM.

This sets up Rollins vs. Bryan at WM. 5-star classic as they Savage/Steamboat steal the show. I don't care who goes over, everyone wins. (But probably Bryan who gets his revenge and smaller WM moment)

In the main event, Brock, slowed by his "injury", has a brutal match with Reigns, but guts it out and goes over. End of the match both guys are laid out flat. Fans confused as Reigns was "supposed to win". Rollins hits the ring, cashes in the briefcase and hits a quick Curb Stomp. Smarks mess themselves as Rollins is going to get his WM moment. But Brock kicks out at 2. Hits a series of vicious Germans and an F-5 for the win. Fade to black with Brock and Paul in the center of the ring staring down HHH and Steph at the top of the ramp.

News breaks on RAW the next night that Brock has signed a new contract with the WWE along with Bellator or UFC in a joint venture. MMA content starts showing up on the Network.
How long has Rollins had the briefcase? Cowboy Bob Orton had that broken arm for like 2 years and Rollins with the contract seems like it's been that long.

 
Going to throw this out.

Reigns goes over Bryan at Fastlane with the help of Rollins. Rollins says it's "best for business" that Reigns and not Bryan fights Brock at WM. Fans riot as creative fully embraces the outrage of Reigns push and blur the lines of reality and storyline. HHH goes into full troll mode going into WM.

This sets up Rollins vs. Bryan at WM. 5-star classic as they Savage/Steamboat steal the show. I don't care who goes over, everyone wins. (But probably Bryan who gets his revenge and smaller WM moment)

In the main event, Brock, slowed by his "injury", has a brutal match with Reigns, but guts it out and goes over. End of the match both guys are laid out flat. Fans confused as Reigns was "supposed to win". Rollins hits the ring, cashes in the briefcase and hits a quick Curb Stomp. Smarks mess themselves as Rollins is going to get his WM moment. But Brock kicks out at 2. Hits a series of vicious Germans and an F-5 for the win. Fade to black with Brock and Paul in the center of the ring staring down HHH and Steph at the top of the ramp.

News breaks on RAW the next night that Brock has signed a new contract with the WWE along with Bellator or UFC in a joint venture. MMA content starts showing up on the Network.
Hire bogart!!
Have a confusing finish (both sets of shoulders down, etc)where it appears as though Reigns beats Lesnar, have Rollins cash in formally, thinking he is cashing in on Reigns. As he is trying to cover Reigns, Lesnar revives and pummels the snot out of Rollins.Not totally sure what that accomplishes, but i like the idea of Rollins being one of few to be unsuccessful with the MITB briefcase.

 
Going to throw this out.

Reigns goes over Bryan at Fastlane with the help of Rollins. Rollins says it's "best for business" that Reigns and not Bryan fights Brock at WM. Fans riot as creative fully embraces the outrage of Reigns push and blur the lines of reality and storyline. HHH goes into full troll mode going into WM.

This sets up Rollins vs. Bryan at WM. 5-star classic as they Savage/Steamboat steal the show. I don't care who goes over, everyone wins. (But probably Bryan who gets his revenge and smaller WM moment)

In the main event, Brock, slowed by his "injury", has a brutal match with Reigns, but guts it out and goes over. End of the match both guys are laid out flat. Fans confused as Reigns was "supposed to win". Rollins hits the ring, cashes in the briefcase and hits a quick Curb Stomp. Smarks mess themselves as Rollins is going to get his WM moment. But Brock kicks out at 2. Hits a series of vicious Germans and an F-5 for the win. Fade to black with Brock and Paul in the center of the ring staring down HHH and Steph at the top of the ramp.

News breaks on RAW the next night that Brock has signed a new contract with the WWE along with Bellator or UFC in a joint venture. MMA content starts showing up on the Network.
Hire bogart!!
Have a confusing finish (both sets of shoulders down, etc)where it appears as though Reigns beats Lesnar, have Rollins cash in formally, thinking he is cashing in on Reigns. As he is trying to cover Reigns, Lesnar revives and pummels the snot out of Rollins.Not totally sure what that accomplishes, but i like the idea of Rollins being one of few to be unsuccessful with the MITB briefcase.
A great story line...which is what this is.

Actually, I'd have Rollins cover Reigns thinking he's won, ref thinks so. Next night on RAW, Triple H comes out and because of video replay shows conclusively that both Reigns and Lesnar were pinned, nullifying Rollins' "win" and considers Rollins' contract "used" and hence out of the title picture. Reigns gets a second shot at Lesnar later on.

 
In 1997 Dean Malenko was rated the #1 wrestler in PWI Magazine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Wrestling_Illustrated#PWI_500

Did the guy deserve a world title run, or was he too little, weird-looking and stoic for the big stage? Discuss.
There's a perfect example of the disconnect between the fans that want "wrestling" and those that want "entertainment". Great in the ring, but very plain. I wonder what the internet marks would think of him.
The New Japan 3 (Malenko, Guerrero, and Benoit) were almost universally celebrated on the 'net during that time frame. It was a big thing when they left ECW for WCW.
I loved Guerrero and Benoit. I enjoyed Malenko's feud with Jericho but otherwise didn't really care for him too much. Man, I miss Eddie.

 
Going to throw this out.

Reigns goes over Bryan at Fastlane with the help of Rollins. Rollins says it's "best for business" that Reigns and not Bryan fights Brock at WM. Fans riot as creative fully embraces the outrage of Reigns push and blur the lines of reality and storyline. HHH goes into full troll mode going into WM.

This sets up Rollins vs. Bryan at WM. 5-star classic as they Savage/Steamboat steal the show. I don't care who goes over, everyone wins. (But probably Bryan who gets his revenge and smaller WM moment)

In the main event, Brock, slowed by his "injury", has a brutal match with Reigns, but guts it out and goes over. End of the match both guys are laid out flat. Fans confused as Reigns was "supposed to win". Rollins hits the ring, cashes in the briefcase and hits a quick Curb Stomp. Smarks mess themselves as Rollins is going to get his WM moment. But Brock kicks out at 2. Hits a series of vicious Germans and an F-5 for the win. Fade to black with Brock and Paul in the center of the ring staring down HHH and Steph at the top of the ramp.

News breaks on RAW the next night that Brock has signed a new contract with the WWE along with Bellator or UFC in a joint venture. MMA content starts showing up on the Network.
How long has Rollins had the briefcase? Cowboy Bob Orton had that broken arm for like 2 years and Rollins with the contract seems like it's been that long.
Feels like it. Looks like he won it last June. He's got a few more months. I'm sure everyone expects him to use it at WM, so I'm thinking maybe he won't.

 
Anyone watching smackdown? The fake crowd noise theyre pumping in is way over the top... wonder if this is a response to the booing of Reigns. Never really noticed it before.

 
While I'm one who's in the "fans should go easier on the WWE for the Reigns push".......the guy has been around since 2012. If he hasn't improved on the mic and in the ring(and I don't think he's horrible in the ring) in three years.....he probably shouldn't be getting the push. Someone above put him in the same situation as Rusev....to me it's a no brainer....Rusev is a better wrestler/character and is more dominant. If Reigns couldn't talk.....they probably should have gotten him a manager.
The usual SOP is for heels to have managers - especially when they can't handle the mic work.
This reminds me of how Rick Rude was apparently annoyed back in the late 80s with having Heenan as his manager cause Heenan always garnered more heat from fans. It's true that putting anybody with Heenan back then automatically made them hated by fans, but Rude was great on the mic and in the ring and didn't need a manager, but back then, nearly every top heel in the WWF had a manager (or bodyguard).

 
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While I'm one who's in the "fans should go easier on the WWE for the Reigns push".......the guy has been around since 2012. If he hasn't improved on the mic and in the ring(and I don't think he's horrible in the ring) in three years.....he probably shouldn't be getting the push. Someone above put him in the same situation as Rusev....to me it's a no brainer....Rusev is a better wrestler/character and is more dominant. If Reigns couldn't talk.....they probably should have gotten him a manager.
The usual SOP is for heels to have managers - especially when they can't handle the mic work.
This reminds me of how Rick Rude was apparently annoyed back in the late 80s with having Heenan as his manager cause Heenan always garnered more heat from fans. It's true that putting anybody with Heenan back then automatically made them hated by fans, but Rude was great on the mic and in the ring and didn't need a manager, but back then, nearly every top heel in the WWF had a manager (or bodyguard).
Rude could generate enough heat all by his lonesome; he was one heel that didn't need a manager.

 
Watched the Jericho episode of Monday Night Wars last night....great stuff. I was right out of college at the time he entered WWE, so wasn't following that well; didnt realize that he was in no mans land for a bit after his kick ### debut.

Been my favorite wrestler/personality ever since his WCW heel turn.

I wish WWE creative would just watch that as a blueprint to see what they have that's similar on the current roster.

 
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Thunderlips said:
So do they use Bryan to help get Reigns over or are they cutting bait on getting Reigns over and just giving it to Bryan?
I would speculate that WWE is going to give you what you don't know you want. Get ready.

 
Thunderlips said:
So do they use Bryan to help get Reigns over or are they cutting bait on getting Reigns over and just giving it to Bryan?
Watching last night, I think Bogart nailed what's going to happen at FL. I think they're going to hope Bryan makes Roman look good, but have Rollins cost him the match setting up a WM match. Looks like they're starting a Bryan-Rollins feud already.

 
Thunderlips said:
So do they use Bryan to help get Reigns over or are they cutting bait on getting Reigns over and just giving it to Bryan?
Watching last night, I think Bogart nailed what's going to happen at FL. I think they're going to hope Bryan makes Roman look good, but have Rollins cost him the match setting up a WM match. Looks like they're starting a Bryan-Rollins feud already.
My favorite current fantasy booking (that won't happen) is Bryan beating Rollins, then Rollins cashing in and winning the title. Rolins vs. Bryan into SummerSlam.

 
Just watched reDRagon do their Fishtank segment with the Young Bucks. Bobby Fish does pretty good on the mic. Plus I love seeing champs wearing suits.

Nice to see they're both RoH World and IWGP Junior Heavyweight tag team champs.

 
Just watched reDRagon do their Fishtank segment with the Young Bucks. Bobby Fish does pretty good on the mic. Plus I love seeing champs wearing suits.

Nice to see they're both RoH World and IWGP Junior Heavyweight tag team champs.
I wasn't big on them when they first formed, but they've really grown on me. Fish could easily be the Third Vaudevillain.

KOR is one of those guys who would have fit in with Jericho/Benoit/Guerrero/Malenko in WCW in the late 90s. High workrate guy who is a walking definition of vanilla in terms of charisma.

 
ODB shows up in RoH allied with the Briscoes against The Kingdom.

BTW, what's with the belt Maria Kanellis is carrying?

 
Just watched reDRagon do their Fishtank segment with the Young Bucks. Bobby Fish does pretty good on the mic. Plus I love seeing champs wearing suits.

Nice to see they're both RoH World and IWGP Junior Heavyweight tag team champs.
I wasn't big on them when they first formed, but they've really grown on me. Fish could easily be the Third Vaudevillain.KOR is one of those guys who would have fit in with Jericho/Benoit/Guerrero/Malenko in WCW in the late 90s. High workrate guy who is a walking definition of vanilla in terms of charisma.
Are you saying Jericho et al. had no charisma?

 
Just watched reDRagon do their Fishtank segment with the Young Bucks. Bobby Fish does pretty good on the mic. Plus I love seeing champs wearing suits.

Nice to see they're both RoH World and IWGP Junior Heavyweight tag team champs.
I wasn't big on them when they first formed, but they've really grown on me. Fish could easily be the Third Vaudevillain.KOR is one of those guys who would have fit in with Jericho/Benoit/Guerrero/Malenko in WCW in the late 90s. High workrate guy who is a walking definition of vanilla in terms of charisma.
Are you saying Jericho et al. had no charisma?
Not at all (especially Jericho). I was referring to what Eric and Hogan thought of those guys during their WCW run.

 
This has the makings of a historically bad Raw. Kane and Show involved in the opener AND the ME.

Dear God just zero creativity with this booking.

 
Man I couldnt make it 20 minutes through the show w/o turning it off.

I can't watch Big Show and Kane anymore. So tired of watching them start and/or end shows. Both are at least a decade past their usefulness.

 
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Reigns turning?

Horrible show.
I didn't see it... only read the reports. It sounded like they are trying to turn Bryan? If so, it seems like a bad idea and really just a way to sabotage him to make Reigns look better.

Also, :lmao: at Reigns still not headlining a Raw in a singles match. And they think he can headline WM?

 
I didn't think it was that bad. They're trying to build to a minor PPV when everyone is already looking forward to WrestleMania, so I understand why they're not going to give a lot of the milk away for free. It's all about building the storylines so that people will care about Fastlane and the road to Wrestlemania. Nearly everything they did accomplished that.

At this point in their careers, Kane and the Big Show's job is to advance the storylines for the main event players. They're the Arn Andersons for the Authority, which of course is all about Seth Rollins. So they play their part well enough, IMO. While not great wrestlers, they're still massive so they make for credible opponents that the heros must go through to reach their goals.

I loved the Sting/HHH segment. Again, they're selling the confrontation for Fastlane and eventual match at WM, so it makes sense to save the real Sting for then. I thought HHH sold that beautifully. He's such a great performer.

I wish Seth Rollins could go over an opponent like Ryback, even if he needs to cheat a little. Even my wife who reads a book while the show is on has noticed that Rollins always loses.

Sad to see Ziggler stuck in midcard hell again, but that's probably where he belongs based on the crowd reactions. Great match, though.

Heyman was great on the mic again.

Kidd and Cesaro getting a well deserved push.

I thought Miz was brilliant.

I really loved the end of the main event. I don't take that spear as a definitive heel turn. You can only push a guy so many times. Daniel Bryan's actions were just as heelish. Why do you care who takes the final shot as long as you win? So this introduces a fun gray area. Will he turn heel at Fastlane? Reportedly Vince has changed his mind and will feature a Bryan vs Lesnar vs Reigns main event at WM. So I see Bryan working as the face, Reigns as the heel, and Lesnar as the tweener. Should be fun.

 
Cesaro/Kidd is now my most looked forward to segment.

Can't wait for NXT tomorrow night.

Breeze-Itami

Neville-Balor

Zayn-Owens

Those three all have five star potential.

 

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