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Paige and Charlotte redeemed themselves last night after the kinda crappy SS match. The women need to up the violence to take the next step...

Packaging Barrett and Rusev with Seamus is a nice little foreigners faction. I thought Seamus carried the belt well last night.

I like Roman Reigns.

 
Looks like they're in for a rough ride FELLA.

Monday's 11/23 edition of WWE RAW averaged 2.964 million viewers, down approximately 10% from last week. This is the first time RAW has dipped below 3 million viewers since the show expanded to 3 hours back in July 2012. Here's the hourly breakdown:

  • Hour 1: 3,190,000
  • Hour 2: 2,990,000
  • Hour 3: 2,712,000
 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Looks like they're in for a rough ride FELLA.

Monday's 11/23 edition of WWE RAW averaged 2.964 million viewers, down approximately 10% from last week. This is the first time RAW has dipped below 3 million viewers since the show expanded to 3 hours back in July 2012. Here's the hourly breakdown:

  • Hour 1: 3,190,000
  • Hour 2: 2,990,000
  • Hour 3: 2,712,000
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The quality of the show pretty much reflects the ratings. Hour 1 was fun, but it was pretty bad after that. To be fair, they are down a lot of talent. Not only did they have to change all their plans on a dime when Rollins got hurt, but they really miss Cena as well. Orton still has star power and Cesaro is the internet darling. And they're not around either. Having Sheamus take Rollins' place is like Brandon Weeden taking over for Tony Romo.

 
Jeremy said:
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Looks like they're in for a rough ride FELLA.

Monday's 11/23 edition of WWE RAW averaged 2.964 million viewers, down approximately 10% from last week. This is the first time RAW has dipped below 3 million viewers since the show expanded to 3 hours back in July 2012. Here's the hourly breakdown:

  • Hour 1: 3,190,000
  • Hour 2: 2,990,000
  • Hour 3: 2,712,000
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The quality of the show pretty much reflects the ratings. Hour 1 was fun, but it was pretty bad after that. To be fair, they are down a lot of talent. Not only did they have to change all their plans on a dime when Rollins got hurt, but they really miss Cena as well. Orton still has star power and Cesaro is the internet darling. And they're not around either. Having Sheamus take Rollins' place is like Brandon Weeden taking over for Tony Romo.
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To be fair, they have horrible writers and they should all be fired. Between NXT and the main roster they probably have more talent than at any point since WCW died, and they have no clue how to use any of them.

 
GoFishTN said:
Jeremy said:
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Looks like they're in for a rough ride FELLA.

Monday's 11/23 edition of WWE RAW averaged 2.964 million viewers, down approximately 10% from last week. This is the first time RAW has dipped below 3 million viewers since the show expanded to 3 hours back in July 2012. Here's the hourly breakdown:

  • Hour 1: 3,190,000
  • Hour 2: 2,990,000
  • Hour 3: 2,712,000
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The quality of the show pretty much reflects the ratings. Hour 1 was fun, but it was pretty bad after that. To be fair, they are down a lot of talent. Not only did they have to change all their plans on a dime when Rollins got hurt, but they really miss Cena as well. Orton still has star power and Cesaro is the internet darling. And they're not around either. Having Sheamus take Rollins' place is like Brandon Weeden taking over for Tony Romo.
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To be fair, they have horrible writers and they should all be fired. Between NXT and the main roster they probably have more talent than at any point since WCW died, and they have no clue how to use any of them.
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:thumbup:

 
Should be hilarious when Reigns gets booed unmercifully when he wins the Rumble again this year because they want him crowned at WM (like they did last year, before the boos made them change their mind). Not sure who they can pit Reigns against in the main event of Wrestlemania to actually make the smarks like it...maybe Cena? If they do Lesnar/Reigns again, Lesnar will get cheered like mad.

 
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With the roster so banged up and Monday night football on the ratings are going to suck... I like that they're using the young guys in big spots now. Take the ratings hit, let these guys get experience on a big stage, let them work on the crowd, take big bumps and grow a little bit.

At some point they need to figure out what they have here, plus it's a hell of a lot better than dredging up Big Show, Kane, Henry, or even one timers like Sting and letting nobody else grow beyond mid card matches.

 
Don't matter whether those guys are healthy or not. Ratings were plummeting anyway. Will only expedite the downward spiral. Until they overhaul the writing team, they'll continue to go down.

 
So WWE wants 100k in Dallas for Mania....

I get just the Mania experience is going to bring in a significant amount of people but how the #### will they ever bring in anything close to that? :lmao: Texas natives Austin/HBK indicate they won't wrestle, Rock reportedly unavailable, HHH isn't that type of draw, Hogan can barely walk, Cena/Lesnar's already been done, Taker should be done. You know things are getting thin when Goldberg's name gets brought up. The guy was a flop in WWE over a decade ago. Batista's last return was a flop & simply isn't a wrestling draw at that level.

Hell they just drew only 8k for a RAW this past week & lowest rating in 20 years. I don't think they could paper the whole thing and get 100k. I hope those big screens in the stadium are great because you aren't gonna see the ring action from 1/2 that stadium. Watching wrestling from stadium venues is absolutely awful. Wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
So WWE wants 100k in Dallas for Mania....

I get just the Mania experience is going to bring in a significant amount of people but how the #### will they ever bring in anything close to that? :lmao: Texas natives Austin/HBK indicate they won't wrestle, Rock reportedly unavailable, HHH isn't that type of draw, Hogan can barely walk, Cena/Lesnar's already been done, Taker should be done. You know things are getting thin when Goldberg's name gets brought up. The guy was a flop in WWE over a decade ago. Batista's last return was a flop & simply isn't a wrestling draw at that level.

Hell they just drew only 8k for a RAW this past week & lowest rating in 20 years. I don't think they could paper the whole thing and get 100k. I hope those big screens in the stadium are great because you aren't gonna see the ring action from 1/2 that stadium. Watching wrestling from stadium venues is absolutely awful. Wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
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Two words... David Arquette

 
KiddLattimer said:
Craig_MiamiFL said:
So WWE wants 100k in Dallas for Mania....

I get just the Mania experience is going to bring in a significant amount of people but how the #### will they ever bring in anything close to that? :lmao: Texas natives Austin/HBK indicate they won't wrestle, Rock reportedly unavailable, HHH isn't that type of draw, Hogan can barely walk, Cena/Lesnar's already been done, Taker should be done. You know things are getting thin when Goldberg's name gets brought up. The guy was a flop in WWE over a decade ago. Batista's last return was a flop & simply isn't a wrestling draw at that level.

Hell they just drew only 8k for a RAW this past week & lowest rating in 20 years. I don't think they could paper the whole thing and get 100k. I hope those big screens in the stadium are great because you aren't gonna see the ring action from 1/2 that stadium. Watching wrestling from stadium venues is absolutely awful. Wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
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Two words... David Arquette
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At least he never submitted to the Fingerpoke of Doom.

 
WWE still wants to put the strap on Reigns

There's a feeling within WWE that some fans see Reigns as the corporate pick, so he gets booed by some of them at WWE TV tapings and pay-per-view events. The solution appears to be to keep having The Authority screw Reigns and keep him from the title, which they hope will cause the same fans to get behind Reigns and want him to win the title.

WWE officials hope fans get behind Reigns and support him before they "pull the trigger" on his big push as the centerpiece of the company, which you could say they have already done based on how he's booked.
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Feel bad for Reigns. He's doing everything he's asked, doing it really well imo, but is just being sabotaged by how inept the booking is.

 
Tom Servo said:
WWE still wants to put the strap on Reigns

There's a feeling within WWE that some fans see Reigns as the corporate pick, so he gets booed by some of them at WWE TV tapings and pay-per-view events. The solution appears to be to keep having The Authority screw Reigns and keep him from the title, which they hope will cause the same fans to get behind Reigns and want him to win the title.WWE officials hope fans get behind Reigns and support him before they "pull the trigger" on his big push as the centerpiece of the company, which you could say they have already done based on how he's booked.
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It's just not going to work. People will never sympathy cheer for a 6'3 270 monster. The Corporate/Authority heel way was the way to get him cheered outta the building down the road. Every single top face of the past 20 years made his way as a top face by establishing himself as a heel.....with the crowd then pushing them face. Why for some reason they think Reigns will be different is beyond me.

Sad to see how awful the writing is. Product is just overexposed and unwatchable with the amount of terrible writing (and you can go months w/o watching a show and still have not missed anything).. I had hope they'd turn it around with a tournament. If anything, it got worse after it.

There's nothing talent can do with bad writing and no freedom to do anything on their own.

 
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Craig_MiamiFL said:
Tom Servo said:
WWE still wants to put the strap on Reigns

There's a feeling within WWE that some fans see Reigns as the corporate pick, so he gets booed by some of them at WWE TV tapings and pay-per-view events. The solution appears to be to keep having The Authority screw Reigns and keep him from the title, which they hope will cause the same fans to get behind Reigns and want him to win the title.WWE officials hope fans get behind Reigns and support him before they "pull the trigger" on his big push as the centerpiece of the company, which you could say they have already done based on how he's booked.
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It's just not going to work. People will never sympathy cheer for a 6'3 270 monster. The Corporate/Authority heel way was the way to get him cheered outta the building down the road. Every single top face of the past 20 years made his way as a top face by establishing himself as a heel.....with the crowd then pushing them face. Why for some reason they think Reigns will be different is beyond me.

Sad to see how awful the writing is. Product is just overexposed and unwatchable with the amount of terrible writing (and you can go months w/o watching a show and still have not missed anything).. I had hope they'd turn it around with a tournament. If anything, it got worse after it.

There's nothing talent can do with bad writing and no freedom to do anything on their own.
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It's like Vince is still booking like he's trying to put the AWA out of business.

 
Maybe the ratings will get so bad we'll get TV-14 again and more New Day skits amped up further. Doubt it. I bet we see smackdown live on Tuesday.

 
Rabble rabble... Give us long and good matches ...

(WWE title tournament features awesome work and clean finishes)

Rabble rabble...Too much wrestling, where's the writing and nonsense?

 
Rabble rabble ... Why do they keep trotting out the old guys? The new guys will never get over.

Rabble rabble ... They'll never sell tickets without the old guys. They're wasting their time trying to make new stars.

 
ESPN to have Ric Flair 30 for 30

Regarding the "30 For 30" special that Ric Flair has been filming, Vince McMahon reportedly signed off on allowing ESPN to use their archival footage for the special. Flair spent four hours being interviewed earlier this month and they were filming backstage at WWE Survivor Series in Atlanta.

The piece will reportedly cover Flair's entire career, his personal life, financial issues, Reid Flair's death, the 1975 plane crash and more. There will be a focus on the 1980s when he was at the peak of his career as NWA World Heavyweight Champion with the Four Horsemen.
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Sonjay Dutt has surfaced...as holder of Jeff Jarrett's GFW secondary title. The name of the title? The Nex*Gen title! Dutt is like 32 years old; nothing says next generation wrestler like a 32 yeat old man. :lol:

 
What the WWE needs as much as they need wrestling talent and better writing is another Jim Ross. I've been watching all the WWE PPVs since I got the network about a year ago and I'm up to 1998 now. He was so good at making every match sound like the fate of the world was at stake. As I was watching I tried to image Michael Cole calling some of those matches. :X I don't think the attitude era would have been half as successful without Jim Ross (though still a lot better than today's product, obviously). Ross has said that he didn't know the script ahead of time, so he could call the match spontaneously like he was a real sports announcer. I don't believe they do that anymore, which I think is a mistake.

Obviously that's just 1 of many areas they need to improve, but it struck me how different it used to be. Now you just wait for the buzz words. "Lunatic Fringe (or "unhinged") "Lass kicker" "Vintage Orton" "Uso Crazy". It never stops sounding like you're watching a commercial. Stop trying to sell me T-shirts in the middle of a match.

 
Jeremy said:
What the WWE needs as much as they need wrestling talent and better writing is another Jim Ross. I've been watching all the WWE PPVs since I got the network about a year ago and I'm up to 1998 now. He was so good at making every match sound like the fate of the world was at stake. As I was watching I tried to image Michael Cole calling some of those matches. :X I don't think the attitude era would have been half as successful without Jim Ross (though still a lot better than today's product, obviously). Ross has said that he didn't know the script ahead of time, so he could call the match spontaneously like he was a real sports announcer. I don't believe they do that anymore, which I think is a mistake.

Obviously that's just 1 of many areas they need to improve, but it struck me how different it used to be. Now you just wait for the buzz words. "Lunatic Fringe (or "unhinged") "Lass kicker" "Vintage Orton" "Uso Crazy". It never stops sounding like you're watching a commercial. Stop trying to sell me T-shirts in the middle of a match.
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Straight Shoot was talking about "sleeper MVPs" for 2016. Those wrestlers that come out of nowhere and really do something big. It got me to thinking, and my pick is going to be Corey Graves. They are giving him a ton of content on the Network, and I wouldn't be surprised if he is doing Smackdown and/or RAW by this time next year. I'm sure Vince hates his style, but it's obvious that he is a HHH guy, and as that exchange of power continues to happen, I would expect to see more Graves on the big shows going forward.

 
Bogart said:
Jeremy said:
What the WWE needs as much as they need wrestling talent and better writing is another Jim Ross. I've been watching all the WWE PPVs since I got the network about a year ago and I'm up to 1998 now. He was so good at making every match sound like the fate of the world was at stake. As I was watching I tried to image Michael Cole calling some of those matches. :X I don't think the attitude era would have been half as successful without Jim Ross (though still a lot better than today's product, obviously). Ross has said that he didn't know the script ahead of time, so he could call the match spontaneously like he was a real sports announcer. I don't believe they do that anymore, which I think is a mistake.

Obviously that's just 1 of many areas they need to improve, but it struck me how different it used to be. Now you just wait for the buzz words. "Lunatic Fringe (or "unhinged") "Lass kicker" "Vintage Orton" "Uso Crazy". It never stops sounding like you're watching a commercial. Stop trying to sell me T-shirts in the middle of a match.
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Straight Shoot was talking about "sleeper MVPs" for 2016. Those wrestlers that come out of nowhere and really do something big. It got me to thinking, and my pick is going to be Corey Graves. They are giving him a ton of content on the Network, and I wouldn't be surprised if he is doing Smackdown and/or RAW by this time next year. I'm sure Vince hates his style, but it's obvious that he is a HHH guy, and as that exchange of power continues to happen, I would expect to see more Graves on the big shows going forward.
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But he will never be the play by play guy. Agree though he's great as an analyst and should be in the JBL chair very soon.

 
Jeremy said:
What the WWE needs as much as they need wrestling talent and better writing is another Jim Ross. I've been watching all the WWE PPVs since I got the network about a year ago and I'm up to 1998 now. He was so good at making every match sound like the fate of the world was at stake. As I was watching I tried to image Michael Cole calling some of those matches. :X I don't think the attitude era would have been half as successful without Jim Ross (though still a lot better than today's product, obviously). Ross has said that he didn't know the script ahead of time, so he could call the match spontaneously like he was a real sports announcer. I don't believe they do that anymore, which I think is a mistake.

Obviously that's just 1 of many areas they need to improve, but it struck me how different it used to be. Now you just wait for the buzz words. "Lunatic Fringe (or "unhinged") "Lass kicker" "Vintage Orton" "Uso Crazy". It never stops sounding like you're watching a commercial. Stop trying to sell me T-shirts in the middle of a match.
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"He calls them his fireflies!"

 
Jeremy said:
SlaX said:
In "That'll Never Happen Land", I'd like to see McMahon get so desperate that he buries things with CM Punk and he saves him from an embarrassing MMA run, all while bringing back one of the only people who has a possibility to save the ratings disaster they have going for them.
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Yeah, unfortunately I think Punk really is done with wrestling. He would be one of the only people who can save this mess, though.

Now Cesaro is out 4 to 6 months with a shoulder injury. Just gets worse and worse for the WWE.
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If they started the show with Triple H spouting nonsense and 'Cult of Personality' started playing I would lose my mind. I'd definitely be back as an every week watcher.

 
https://www.facebook.com/RealMickFoley/posts/1184178598278943:0

FINAL RAW FOR FOLEY?WWE is at a real crossroads. Allow me to paraphrase Albert Einstein, who said "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results". Wrestling historians can argue about when the ‪#‎AttitudeEra‬ in wrestling officially began. But for me, it will always be at a meeting called by Mr McMahon in the Spring of 1997, where he admitted that what had worked for them for so long in the past (I interpreted that to mean one-dimensional characters that tended to be job-related) was no longer working, and that if they were going to survive, the wrestlers themselves were going to have to step up, and help create those dimensions that would establish the emotional bond between the wrestlers and the fans - part of the lifeblood of professional wrestling.

Today's WWE Superstars (I'm including the women here, since the term "Diva" had its time, and that time is done) are at a distinct disadvantage in some ways. They can't flip birds, and use the colorful language. They can't bleed - even when the situation seems ripe for it. Man, Roman Reigns's life would be so much easier if he could survive vicious assaults the way guys in my era did. But all the blood, the language and the violence paled in comparison to the real secret weapon of the Attitude Era; the FREEDOM TO CREATE...THE FREEDOM TO TRY...THE FREEDOM TO FAIL - the idea that going down swinging (I hope I'm not losing you guys in all the non-baseball playing countries) was almost as important as hitting the ball out of the park - as long as you took your best swings. There's a difference between playing to win, and playing not to lose: one breeds confidence, the other breeds fear.It's the difference between cutting the type of promos Stone Cold Steve Austin and Dwayne The Rock Johnson gave, and the cookie-cutter approach all too often employed these days by WWE creative. One style allowed for creativity and emotion. The other calls for memorization and recitation.

I hope I don't sound like I'm picking on WWE. There is a big part of me that loves this company, and always will. Why else would I be up at 4:15 am, writing things that are likely to banish me deeper and deeper into the WWE doghouse? One of my favorite wrestlers proposed a storyline that would allow me a four of five week storyline that would allow me to dig in deep, and swing for the fences - and in the process, maybe advance a few of the super-talented but underutilized athletes on the roster. I would love to do it....but I doubt it's going to happen. After all, I might want to do something crazy like go out there without a script, and try to create some real emotion - in other words, the type of thing that saved WWE in the late 90's.

The talent pool has never been deeper. But the creative flow is stagnant...and it's been stinking for a while. I quoted Einstein to begin this thing. Let me conclude with the immortal words of Owen Heart: "Enough's enough: it's time for a change!"
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Tom Servo said:
You guys do realize that RAW has a chance to pull a decent number tonight, don't you? The Browns are on MNF.
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i'm still flipping back and forth. I need 7.7 points from Buck Allen tonight. WWE needs to find a way to make fantasy wrestling...er..."sports entertainment" a thing.

 
Rumors for tonight's RAW from Consol Energy Center in Pittsburgh:

First comment was awesome:

Something big for Vince probably means Roman Reigns defeating the team of Big Show, Barrett and Sheamus in a handicap match.
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:lol:

 
Then there's this: Jeff Jarrett busted open Matt Hardy and won something called the WrestleCade Heavyweight title. (Graphic photos of a bleeding Hardy)

Seriously, when was the last time JJ jobbed to anyone?

 
Tom Servo said:
I loved New Day going for the cheap heat by wiping the sweat off their bodies using a Terrible Towel. :lmao:
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New Day annoyed me a great deal when they started getting some real time. Now they are one of my favorite things. The trombone is the best thing ever. It's not a sax or a trumpet, which is a more attractive instrument and easier to carry. It's a ####### trombone. Awesome.

 
Abraham said:
Tom Servo said:
I loved New Day going for the cheap heat by wiping the sweat off their bodies using a Terrible Towel. :lmao:
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New Day annoyed me a great deal when they started getting some real time. Now they are one of my favorite things. The trombone is the best thing ever. It's not a sax or a trumpet, which is a more attractive instrument and easier to carry. It's a ####### trombone. Awesome.
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This.

 
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