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Joe Bryant said:
Yes. Maurile has been my good friend for 20 something years and is one of the finest men I know. 
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My wife knows him much better then I but the few times I’ve spent time with Maurile he’s a good dude for sure.  And his measured demeanor and well thought out posts here are invaluable.  

 
dkp993 said:
  And his measured demeanor and well thought out posts here are invaluable.  
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His educated and elucidated posts have set me straight on a number of occasions.  He literally has made me re-think and re-form my opinion more than anyone else I have ran across on the internet. *Talking about the RL topics, not football. 

 
Joe Bryant said:
I agree that's interesting @SaintsInDome2006.

I get it. We do the same thing on our player spotlights. Nobody cares to read another Patrick Mahomes is great profile. They want to know if Kyler Murray can make it. Or if Josh Allen can be really good. That kind of thing. I do think I understand that. 
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You nailed it exactly with this part. The great players are more consistent week to week. We know what they do, they do it well and just keep plowing along. There's little speculation to be had until a great player gets injured or gets old. That's why the Brady Bust Alert thread has stayed on the first 2 pages like the last 5 years. There's plenty to speculate on his downfall and when it occurs. His missing an easy throw, or a 2 interception game could be the first sign.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
@Don't Noonan you are constantly dissembling here.

- I don't think I've ever reported someone for content or discussion but you are really getting close to the line. You cannot possibly be this obtuse.
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SiD I had a post here a while back that must have been reported and the mods deleted. But it regarded you and your ridiculous patience regarding that particular poster.

IMO you should be just a tiny bit more judicious in engaging him. I have not seen a good faith post from him in a very long time. His purpose is to obfuscate and derail. The other conservatives here do not do what he does.

 
Herb said:
SiD I had a post here a while back that must have been reported and the mods deleted. But it regarded you and your ridiculous patience regarding that particular poster.

IMO you should be just a tiny bit more judicious in engaging him. I have not seen a good faith post from him in a very long time. His purpose is to obfuscate and derail. The other conservatives here do not do what he does.
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I don't think he is trying to obfuscate and derail. He has his beliefs. They may be right, they may be wrong. He takes a beating for his opinions and called a troll often which the mods want stopped.

 
Herb said:
SiD I had a post here a while back that must have been reported and the mods deleted. But it regarded you and your ridiculous patience regarding that particular poster.

IMO you should be just a tiny bit more judicious in engaging him. I have not seen a good faith post from him in a very long time. His purpose is to obfuscate and derail. The other conservatives here do not do what he does.
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Sorry for quoting the Mueller report and stating facts.  I thought that was what we are supposed to do.  I do know we are not supposed to call out posters like you have several times.  Grow up.

 
Herb said:
SiD I had a post here a while back that must have been reported and the mods deleted. But it regarded you and your ridiculous patience regarding that particular poster.

IMO you should be just a tiny bit more judicious in engaging him. I have not seen a good faith post from him in a very long time. His purpose is to obfuscate and derail. The other conservatives here do not do what he does.
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I appreciate it. I know you've advised me before, I'll stick to it this time.

 
John Blutarsky said:
I don't think he is trying to obfuscate and derail. He has his beliefs. They may be right, they may be wrong. He takes a beating for his opinions and called a troll often which the mods want stopped.
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No, this is not accurate. He says he is quoting from the report, which he is not. He has been shown this once, twice, three, maybe more times. He continues to claim he is quoting from "the report." It is purposefully false.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
No, this is not accurate. He says he is quoting from the report, which he is not. He has been shown this once, twice, three, maybe more times. He continues to claim he is quoting from "the report." It is purposefully false.
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Don't Noonan said:
It is in the introduction to volume 1.  It states "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

So, with that said, Mueller being asked when did he conclude the above is a valid question.
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Saints, you are wrong.  This is my post from yesterday where I quoted directly from the report.  

 
Don't Noonan said:
It states "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
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The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.
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Second, while the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign, the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges.

Among other things, the evidence was not sufficient to charge any Campaign official as an unregistered agent of the Russian government or other Russian principal. And our evidence about the June 9, 2016 meeting and WikiLeaks’s releases of hacked materials was not sufficient to charge a criminal campaign-finance violation. Further, the evidence was not sufficient to charge that any member of the Trump Campaign conspired with representatives of the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election.
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And your original post:

Don't Noonan said:
Mueller stated in the report "did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government"
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And yet:

Don't Noonan said:
So you are admitting that Mueller found no evidence of crimes committed by Trump correct?
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This is a constant game of pretending not to read what has been constantly explained over and over again. I plead guilty to engaging it, it's true. But it's obvious the point was to shoehorn this :bs: into Barr's original statement and all in all create a false impression about the nature of things.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Dude it's a quote. Step 1. Look at the report to see if the quote is there. Step 2. If NO, then, after being informed so, repeatedly, he is making it up (polite version).
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My 2 cents: it is better to reply to potential trolls with sentences like this, in the thread, again and again.

If they are trolls, then they should not be given the satisfaction of provoking an impassioned reaction.

If they are not trolls, then the best you can do is provide facts and call out untruths. You may not change the pseudotroll's mind, but you're still doing a service to the community by preventing lucid members of the forum from believing what the psuedotroll says.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
And your original post:

And yet:

This is a constant game of pretending not to read what has been constantly explained over and over again. I plead guilty to engaging it, it's true. But it's obvious the point was to shoehorn this :bs: into Barr's original statement and all in all create a false impression about the nature of things.
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No, I don't have time right now to explain but I will later.  Nothing was intentional and the first quoted post was admittedly wrong.  That was probably the confusion.

 
Don't Noonan said:
Sorry for quoting the Mueller report and stating facts.  I thought that was what we are supposed to do.  I do know we are not supposed to call out posters like you have several times.  Grow up.
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I only call out posters politely that do not discuss issues in good faith. You are the only one that comes to mind recently. I am not interested in continuing engagement with you in the psf and am only responding to you because you told me to "grow up" which, coming from you, seems... never mind. 

 
Herb said:
I only call out posters politely that do not discuss issues in good faith. You are the only one that comes to mind recently. I am not interested in continuing engagement with you in the psf and am only responding to you because you told me to "grow up" which, coming from you, seems... never mind. 
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Well, you couldn't be more wrong.  But carry on.

 
I don’t think the old pile on to get someone banned for no reason works anymore guys. Let’s be adults here, doesn’t sound like a big deal. 

 
moleculo said:
ok.  I think I understand better what you expect to happen.  Here's the problem: answers along these lines assume Mueller is a bad actor - everything Trump says he is.  If that's true, why would he be honest about it now?  Why would he go off-script and talk about things not layed out in the report - admit in open testimony that his entire team was fueled by TDS, admit that they drug this out and phrased statements, just to make Trump look bad?

The alternative theory is that Mueller is an honest, by the book, bureaucrat who prefers to remain out of the spotlight and remain apolitical.  He was asked to complete a report and charge those for whom he found evidence of crimes.  He did that - nothing more, nothing less. 

We'll see how it plays out.
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@SaintsInDome2006

You are quoting several different conversations I had with multiple posters.  My reply to Molecule you quoted was to this.  It had nothing to do with my previous statements.

 
As a regular reader of the forum, one thing I particularly dislike is when a poster "demands" a response.

Bump in case you missed it.

Care to address this?

Bump for the 3rd time.

Quoted again, as I see you have posted elsewhere and still haven't responded to my question.

If you don't answer, I will ascribe to you the response of my choosing.

I believe people should be free to engage as they fit, and this type of behavior makes me more sympathetic to BGP's contention that direct replies should not be allowed. I wouldn't want to go anywhere near that far, as voluntary, thoughtful back-and-forth between intelligent posters can be quite compelling. But I very much dislike it when posters act as if they are due a response.

Just my humble half a cent here. Don't @ me ;)

 
GoBirds said:
I don’t think the old pile on to get someone banned for no reason works anymore guys. Let’s be adults here, doesn’t sound like a big deal. 
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I'm not suggesting anyone get a suspension and I don't think anyone else is either. Just maybe engaging less, as these have been recurring issues for a while. 

 
Herb said:
I'm not suggesting anyone get a suspension and I don't think anyone else is either. Just maybe engaging less, as these have been recurring issues for a while. 
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You seem to always handle responsibly but with a group piling on and a handful of others that always try to get the minority banned it seems to be headed in a bad direction for no real reason. You make a good suggestion. 

 
GoBirds said:
Herb said:
I'm not suggesting anyone get a suspension and I don't think anyone else is either. Just maybe engaging less, as these have been recurring issues for a while. 
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You seem to always handle responsibly but with a group piling on and a handful of others that always try to get the minority banned it seems to be headed in a bad direction for no real reason. You make a good suggestion. 
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Agreed.  Banning and reporting are weak (I know Joe disagrees but it's just MHO).  Engage or don't, be an adult about things and move on.  Shouldn't be hard.  

 
TakiToki said:
As a regular reader of the forum, one thing I particularly dislike is when a poster "demands" a response.

Bump in case you missed it.

Care to address this?

Bump for the 3rd time.

Quoted again, as I see you have posted elsewhere and still haven't responded to my question.

If you don't answer, I will ascribe to you the response of my choosing.

I believe people should be free to engage as they fit, and this type of behavior makes me more sympathetic to BGP's contention that direct replies should not be allowed. I wouldn't want to go anywhere near that far, as voluntary, thoughtful back-and-forth between intelligent posters can be quite compelling. But I very much dislike it when posters act as if they are due a response.

Just my humble half a cent here. Don't @ me ;)
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Maybe...but it seems there are people willing to engage in hit and run posting.  Posting wild claims and assertions and then ignore and all questions for clarification.

 
sho nuff said:
Maybe...but it seems there are people willing to engage in hit and run posting.  Posting wild claims and assertions and then ignore and all questions for clarification.
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Please clarify who are the posters that engage in hit and run posting.

 
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It's funny how there are some that want people to post more and answer questions asked of them. Then others want people to just shut up. 

Is there a user manual that identifies the sweet spot?

 
Another issue is we seem to have two posters that don’t seem to understand when someone won’t ever engage in discussion with them or answer their questions...despite being told numerous times.

 
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