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***Official PSF Moderation Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Pretty much where I'm at with the whole thing, but looking from his perspective, it has to be a bit odd that people are so dedicated to "pointing out xxxxxx" with him that they reply to just about every single post of his, even those he's not addressing to them.  Following him around and calling him names more elementary than what Trump comes up with is, well, weird.
Are you talking about Sho or Blutarsky?  Because I can't honestly tell. I have to assume you are talking about Sho since he is the one that had to bump this very thread because of the concern he has with the people he follows around and annoys.  He was even warned about it by FMod. I have to wonder how many warnings he gets before it's a time out 

 
Are you talking about Sho or Blutarsky?  Because I can't honestly tell. I have to assume you are talking about Sho since he is the one that had to bump this very thread because of the concern he has with the people he follows around and annoys.  He was even warned about it by FMod. I have to wonder how many warnings he gets before it's a time out 
I bumped this thread because the other was becoming a complaint about moderation and I didn’t want it to muck up the thread.

I don’t follow anyone around.  No mod warmed me about what you are claiming...the mod did not want this to become a big whine fest and IMO misunderstood why I bumped it.

This thread is pretty much proving Commish’s point though. It’s becoming the pile in and complain about sho nuff thread.

 
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Whenever poster(s) starts in with making the response about the poster instead of the content, it ruins the thread.   It is as simple as that.   

 
Whenever poster(s) starts in with making the response about the poster instead of the content, it ruins the thread.   It is as simple as that.   
Exactly....and a certain person that preaches this but doesn’t do it liked your post. That’s why he gets called out.

 
I lurk more than post but I think the reason is there are only about 20-25 regulars in the PSF so I get that they get on each other nerves.  Just accept and respect we all have different opinions. No need to get mad at online posters.

 
Exactly....and a certain person that preaches this but doesn’t do it liked your post. That’s why he gets called out.
Dude, enough.

You're like clockwork lately. Anytime I see a post from Sho, I know it will be quickly followed by one from you, being snarky, doing the board cop bit. We get it, you find him annoying,  but it's comical the way you go about it because frequently you exhibit the EXACT same (or worse) behavior than what you're calling him out for.

Then you top it off with telling him HE has no self awareness.  It was honestly super funny at first, but now, not so much. Let it be, man.

 
And to piggyback that, Sho, I appreciate how you call people out for not backing things up with facts or links. That sort of stuff is valuable. But you're like a friggin attack dog sometimes. Once in a while, try letting go of the big bad man's balls. The rest of us are tired of the incessant back and forth that usually follows. Let someone else do it on occasion. 

 
Dude, enough.

You're like clockwork lately. Anytime I see a post from Sho, I know it will be quickly followed by one from you, being snarky, doing the board cop bit. We get it, you find him annoying,  but it's comical the way you go about it because frequently you exhibit the EXACT same (or worse) behavior than what you're calling him out for.

Then you top it off with telling him HE has no self awareness.  It was honestly super funny at first, but now, not so much. Let it be, man.
I’m not the one preaching like he does. I am quite aware of things here. 

 
Dude, enough.

You're like clockwork lately. Anytime I see a post from Sho, I know it will be quickly followed by one from you, being snarky, doing the board cop bit. We get it, you find him annoying,  but it's comical the way you go about it because frequently you exhibit the EXACT same (or worse) behavior than what you're calling him out for.

Then you top it off with telling him HE has no self awareness.  It was honestly super funny at first, but now, not so much. Let it be, man.
I think this is very unfair to JB. It’s hard not to respond to an instigator 

 
I think this is very unfair to JB. It’s hard not to respond to an instigator 
I'm not trying to be unfair to Bluto. Hell, I complemented him a few days ago for some of his posts. And I definitely know how hard it is not to call someone on what you think is utter BS. But SOMEONE has to be the first to just let it go.

Also, I know you're a seemingly good dude and have a sense of humor. Most of us don't get bent about it for those reasons and cuz it's mostly schtick, but you're very much an instigator at times. 

 
And to piggyback that, Sho, I appreciate how you call people out for not backing things up with facts or links. That sort of stuff is valuable. But you're like a friggin attack dog sometimes. Once in a while, try letting go of the big bad man's balls. The rest of us are tired of the incessant back and forth that usually follows. Let someone else do it on occasion. 
I can see that...and until the past couple of days I’ve actually posted quite a bit less lately because the back and forth gets tired.  

Note there is no back and forth with JB and hasn’t been in months once o knew for sure who he was...yet somehow, I’m instigating.  

 
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2 in particular that I have told I won’t respond to them.  One that’s been going on for over a year.  I often wonder what makes someone continually try over and over knowing the person won’t respond.

And yet...not considered trolling.

Its beyond odd and almost amounts to harassment.  But it is what it is...they seem to only make themselves look bad so have at it I guess.
Can you share with the group what the rest of us have to do to achieve this level. You should add more to this list and it will help solve the problem. 

 
Seems like every few months a bunch of you guys get obsessed with one poster. First it was me, then squistion, now it’s sho nuff. In each instance, you guys so much time posting about that person that your criticism would be far better served and more accurate if it were self-directed. It’s a bit hilarious, but also sad and pathetic. 

 
Seems like every few months a bunch of you guys get obsessed with one poster. First it was me, then squistion, now it’s sho nuff. In each instance, you guys so much time posting about that person that your criticism would be far better served and more accurate if it were self-directed. It’s a bit hilarious, but also sad and pathetic. 
You remind me of Adam Dunn how often you swing and miss.

 
I think this subforum is a lost cause (and I say that as someone who still posts in it on occasion).  Think about this: a thread about Jon Stewart wanting to make sure the 9/11 first responders get taken care of has a whopping 36 replies in over a week (still 1 page), while a thread the Goodbye Sarah Sanders thread, which is basically a pissing context, is over 6 pages in less time.  Most threads are snipping and #####ing at one another rather than actual, real discussion. 
And its the same half-dozen or so posters who ruin every thread.  

 
Unless you’re a moderator, telling someone to stop being a board cop is inherently hypocritical. Ignoring people who exhibit bad behavior is far better than calling them out on it, IMO.

I understand that every once in a while, something needs to be said, and the moderators may not be on top of things. So you might take it upon yourself to say something. That’s fine, but please make sure it’s once in a while, not twenty times a day. Twenty times a day isn't helping fix the problem; it’s amplifying it.

 
Regarding Joe’s point #2 about calling people out, that would be more effective if it was done by people on same political “side” as the poster.  Otherwise it causes bickering too often.

A third thing people can do (that’s even easier) is never like a post that is being unexcellent to another poster.

 
Regarding Joe’s point #2 about calling people out, that would be more effective if it was done by people on same political “side” as the poster.  Otherwise it causes bickering too often.

A third thing people can do (that’s even easier) is never like a post that is being unexcellent to another poster.
That would reduce the number of likes by at least 50%. 

 
This is a great point.
Unfortunately, it's less about having a discussion and more about who wins, or loses, the conversation. Neither side will call one of their own out. It's bad optics in the effort to win.

There are a handful of posters here that have targets on them. It doesn't matter what they say. The pack will find ways to poke holes in their posts and try to drive them out. Often times is less about what is said, and more about who's saying it.

 
Seems like every few months a bunch of you guys get obsessed with one poster. First it was me, then squistion, now it’s sho nuff. In each instance, you guys so much time posting about that person that your criticism would be far better served and more accurate if it were self-directed. It’s a bit hilarious, but also sad and pathetic. 
You mean your obsession with Jon?  Just check out the AOC thread, for example.   It's why this thread gets bumped every few months because no one here is going to change.  As others have said, it's all about taking sides, winning an argument and getting in zingers for most posters.

 
You mean your obsession with Jon?  Just check out the AOC thread, for example.   It's why this thread gets bumped every few months because no one here is going to change.  As others have said, it's all about taking sides, winning an argument and getting in zingers for most posters.
I come here for the chicks.

 
Herb said:
None of us appreciate your childish behavior. You don't engage in good faith conversation,  you post fallacies consistently, you treat others poorly and you whine to the mods at every opportunity. These traits are not even exclusive to the PF.

That you have the audacity to call out ANYONE else on this board for their behavior is just continuing proof of your inability to conduct yourself in a manner that will benefit the community. 

@Joe BryantI don't believe I've ever addressed you directly in the 17+ years I've been a member/ subscriber here. I've never reported anyone or put anyone on ignore and I've never received so much as a warning,  let alone a suspension. You're a busy guy that doesn't have time to follow individual posters and their content. I respect that. I like this place, always have. But this poster is a perfect example of the things you claim you don't want on your board. And you're allowing him to dictate what goes on, to the detriment not only of discourse,  but the enjoyment of a majority of members. Changing thread titles has always been a part of this place.  Are you going to tell @Capellathat he can no longer make jokes with the NBA thread title? That would be a net loss for these boards, IMO.

Thank you for your time and hearing me out, and for your efforts to improve our experiences here.
:goodposting:

 
#2 is difficult...as people then snipe and call people board cop and start a back and forth that derails threads. 
General thoughts:

1. Don't be board coppy about it. A quick - "Can we please drop talking about other posters and talk more about the issue?" will do it.

2. When someone posts that, others chiming in or just liking the comment asking people to please drop talking about other posters and getting back to the topic" will help a lot.

3. Being cool yourself and being known as a person that's not constantly agitating will go a LONG ways towards other people taking you seriously when you ask them to stay on topic. If you're often take shots at other posters, they're going to laugh at you when you ask people to stop doing what you often do. 

 
Herb said:
I don't put people on ignore, and your little games aren't going to make me change that. I have no problem being respectful to you or engaging you elsewhere,  but if you'd like to put me on ignore or not respond to me ever again in the PF then I would be amenable to that arrangement.
I won’t try to change your mind but the board is much more tolerable for me having folks who do nothing but argue or consistently discuss in bad faith or troll or act like the board cop on ignore.  I do miss out on some discussion and I also will show posts from people I have on ignore if the conversation is interesting.  Honestly, if people like squisiton and sho on the left and supermike and Noonan on the right would put each other on ignore it would help things immensely.  Just my 2 cents.

 
General thoughts:

1. Don't be board coppy about it. A quick - "Can we please drop talking about other posters and talk more about the issue?" will do it.

2. When someone posts that, others chiming in or just liking the comment asking people to please drop talking about other posters and getting back to the topic" will help a lot.

3. Being cool yourself and being known as a person that's not constantly agitating will go a LONG ways towards other people taking you seriously when you ask them to stay on topic. If you're often take shots at other posters, they're going to laugh at you when you ask people to stop doing what you often do. 
1. I’d agree. And this wasn't just about me.  It gets thrown out al over the place when someone calls something out.  

2. I’d agree when that happens.  Been nice to see the following around being called out by others.

3.  I agree here as well and typically you won’t see me start a conversation about a poster.  Though, I admit I do comment on posters when it’s been brought up already. And yeah even that doesn’t help 

 
1. I’d agree. And this wasn't just about me.  It gets thrown out al over the place when someone calls something out.  

2. I’d agree when that happens.  Been nice to see the following around being called out by others.

3.  I agree here as well and typically you won’t see me start a conversation about a poster.  Though, I admit I do comment on posters when it’s been brought up already. And yeah even that doesn’t help 
Except you're right back to doing the same old schtick in the latest Trump thread.  But yes, it's everyone else but you.

 
I think this subforum is a lost cause (and I say that as someone who still posts in it on occasion).  Think about this: a thread about Jon Stewart wanting to make sure the 9/11 first responders get taken care of has a whopping 36 replies in over a week (still 1 page), while a thread the Goodbye Sarah Sanders thread, which is basically a pissing context, is over 6 pages in less time.  Most threads are snipping and #####ing at one another rather than actual, real discussion. 
I think it's interesting to think about the Shark Pool, because to me that's the anchor forum here. 

I've noticed that the most trafficked threads are often about the most mediocre or insignificant players. So Christine Michael had 3 (IIRC) threads. Manziel had a couple hundred pages? Trent Richardson had 110 pages or near that. Etc. Meanwhile truly great players who carry their teams week after week, year after year are often ignored. Why is this? Speculation, Controversy. And so much score settling. I mean people don't comment for weeks, then a player has a bum game and boom there they are to declare victory served with cold crow.  Want to talk about what happened and why and next week? Nah not so much.

 
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I hate the giant threads where you can't find anything. I hate taking a huge thread and posting a new title with a serious accusation in the title and you click on the first page and it's something 4 years old. I know the "inside people" like it. Someone visiting looks at it and is :confused:    Probably why we have so few new people coming in. 
I just want you to know up front this isn't an an angry or critical post, I just want to share something about FBGs, or at least the Shark Pool. My feeling is that I was drawn here and your product because of the SP culture. It was a long time ago now but I was originally at FFT. Football only, (almost always). And like a lot of people I landed there because (surprise) I was looking for an edge for information. I think I looked at this site for maybe 2 years (?) before even getting a forum login. It was another 3-4 years after that before I got a subscription. Anyway FFT was and is a hodgepodge of who do you start today, hey man whaddya think about this guy, some occasional cursing, and venting or celebrating. Sometimes I like it because people speak from their gut and they are willing to talk about stuff like who is a good FA pickup WR2 5 minutes before gametime. And there are good posts there, especially by Mike who posts new threads on articles he writes. 

Anyway my personal story is that I was drawn to the SP and your site by the order and especially by the fact that posters automatically maintained it. Ask advice about your lineup? Take it to the AC forum. Want to start a new thread on Russell Wilson? Dude there is an excellent thread with 5 years of info and everything you need in it. And I found it... incredibly useful. After I started coming to FBGs my FF game got better. Ultimately I won trophies. I personally kind of think that culture carried over to the FFA and now the PSF. I think it's kind of great. And I do think that new posts with new ideas is great - your posts are terrific, so are the discussions that follow. But again I think overall the culture is pretty great, and I mean that for the SP, FFA and PSF too. Anyway there's my anecdotal thought on the matter. Thanks again Joe for a great site and here's to you.  :banned:

 
I think it's interesting to think about the Shark Pool, because to me that's the anchor forum here. 

I've noticed that the most trafficked threads are often about the most mediocre or insignificant players. So Christine Michael had 3 (IIRC) threads. Manziel had a couple hundred pages? Trent Richardson had 110 pages or near that. Etc. Meanwhile truly great players who carry their teams week after week, year after year are often ignored. Why is this? Speculation, Controversy. And so much score settling. I mean people don't comment for weeks, then a player has a bum game and boom there they are to declare victory served with cold crow.  Want to talk about what happened and why and next week? Nah not so much.
I agree that's interesting @SaintsInDome2006

My personal theory is advanced players (the average Shark Pool guy is on the far end of the serious level for the average fantasy footballguy) like to dive into the obscure stuff. They'd rather talk Manziel than Brady.

I get it. We do the same thing on our player spotlights. Nobody cares to read another Patrick Mahomes is great profile. They want to know if Kyler Murray can make it. Or if Josh Allen can be really good. That kind of thing. I do think I understand that. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I think it's interesting to think about the Shark Pool, because to me that's the anchor forum here. 

I've noticed that the most trafficked threads are often about the most mediocre or insignificant players. So Christine Michael had 3 (IIRC) threads. Manziel had a couple hundred pages? Trent Richardson had 110 pages or near that. Etc. Meanwhile truly great players who carry their teams week after week, year after year are often ignored. Why is this? Speculation, Controversy. And so much score settling. I mean people don't comment for weeks, then a player has a bum game and boom there they are to declare victory served with cold crow.  Want to talk about what happened and why and next week? Nah not so much.
I get what you are saying: the Sarah Sanders thread has tons of posts because she is controversial, while Stewart's position is one that most agree with, so not many feel the need to debate it, right?

Assuming that is what you mean, while I agree, it is sad that those who always disagree or go out of their way to argue and/or disagree with the same people day after day after day (no names, but I think most of us know who those people are), cannot at least come together in agreement on an issue like the 9/11 First Responders getting taken care of.  I guess it is more much fun for those people to find threads where they can argue with and troll those with whom they disagree.  And it is what this subforum has largely devolved into. :no:  

 
I see you're trying to stir the pot again :lmao:
Beginning to think toy don't know what that means. What i said wasn't remotely controversial. You and sho aren't all that different. :shrug:

Stirring the pot would be one who responds to poster whos apologizing and clarifying with "do better" after ignoring the apology and the clarification. 

 
Beginning to think toy don't know what that means. What i said wasn't remotely controversial. You and sho aren't all that different. :shrug:

Stirring the pot would be one who responds to poster whos apologizing and clarifying with "do better" after ignoring the apology and the clarification. 
I don't preach like he does and yesterday he actually said he never instigates anything after Joe called him out. He also can be seen in multiple threads in pissing matches. I don't operate like that.  Have a great weekend good buddy! :thumbup:

 
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I am guessing that for some they simply do not have a reflection in a mirror, like a vampire. They promise to look, they likely even do look, but then do not see a thing. 

For others it is likely a need to defend reputation even as their reputation suffers through far too vigilant a protection of it.  The old, me thinks you doth protest too much.

Me, I respect those who know that their reputation will speak for itself.  Those who have established respect through practice.  Those who have earned it rather than whined for it.

 
Beginning to think toy don't know what that means. What i said wasn't remotely controversial. You and sho aren't all that different. :shrug:

Stirring the pot would be one who responds to poster whos apologizing and clarifying with "do better" after ignoring the apology and the clarification. 
I would disagree how different we are. 

But won’t get into a pissing match with him.  Not worth it.

 
I would disagree how different we are. 

But won’t get into a pissing match with him.  Not worth it.
He's not making the assertion. I am. And I'm not saying you too are the same type of person. I am saying with respect to the current topic the style nets a very similar result both of which add nothing to this board. 

Whether its you along people's over and over to "back things up" when you know they arent going to or him policing the police man it doesn't matter. Neither is a net benefit IMO

 
Unless you’re a moderator, telling someone to stop being a board cop is inherently hypocritical. Ignoring people who exhibit bad behavior is far better than calling them out on it, IMO.

I understand that every once in a while, something needs to be said, and the moderators may not be on top of things. So you might take it upon yourself to say something. That’s fine, but please make sure it’s once in a while, not twenty times a day. Twenty times a day isn't helping fix the problem; it’s amplifying it.
Look at this guy telling us what to do.

 

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