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Official Robert Griffin III - RGIII RG3 (1 Viewer)
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Interesting read. Thanks for posting. A little more heavy into the whole racial thing that I would have liked but an excellent read and very interesting.
Griffin's undoing in DC I think mostly had to do with his attitude. His major mistakes were:
1. Thinking he knew more about football than his coaches (saying certain players were unacceptable, thought he was ready to be a pocket QB)
2. Never took personal responsibility for bad results (we need to be better, need better protection, etc.)
3. Thought he was a role model and spent lots of time sharing his wisdom on social media ("Know your why" I never even understood what this meant)
4. Was thin skinned on social media and actively engaged with people who disagreed with him, all the time.
5. Used media to try to rally fans to his side and away from coaching staff.
If he fixes these things, he will be open to coaching and can start to work on his QB fundamentals. He was off social media and taking shots at the team through the media his last year, but that may have been due to being a third string QB.
1. Thinking he knew more about football than his coaches (saying certain players were unacceptable, thought he was ready to be a pocket QB)
2. Never took personal responsibility for bad results (we need to be better, need better protection, etc.)
3. Thought he was a role model and spent lots of time sharing his wisdom on social media ("Know your why" I never even understood what this meant)
4. Was thin skinned on social media and actively engaged with people who disagreed with him, all the time.
5. Used media to try to rally fans to his side and away from coaching staff.
If he fixes these things, he will be open to coaching and can start to work on his QB fundamentals. He was off social media and taking shots at the team through the media his last year, but that may have been due to being a third string QB.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
RG3 certainly has the lion share of the blame for his downfall in DC. But there is more to it than just him. I think Shanahan has a good amount of blame as well as Snyder as well in creating a situation that encourages failure. You bring in a guy like that after making a big deal- you need everyone on board and committed to it. Shanahan from the start kept himself at arms length from this. He essentially had an attitude of "It isn't going to work but I will try" which most usually does not end in success.
I think the early success hurt him badly more so than anything else. I mean, think about it, your entire life you dominate the sport you play in until you get to the pro's and your first year there you have tremendous success. How much are you going to listen to others giving a different view or suggestions of change to you? Likely not much. Human nature.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
RG III wasn't only the overall 2nd pick in the draft but a team moved up for him and paid a premium. The owner was behind that move and forced him on the HC who was against paying a premium and the head coach took his guy in the 4th round.
RG III arrived as the savior and it read like a Hollywood script but that was only the 1st act. The 2nd act was the downfall which was fueled with racial undertones which probably also helped to fuel his ascent into superstardom.
The 3rd act is about to play out but he arrives in Cleveland without the fanfare, the club didn't pay a premium, and he has taken a hit to his ego and is re-evaluating his footing. He understands that he doesn't have the juice that he 'thought' he had in DC. Robert hasn't been named the starter and reports say that Josh McCown is ahead of RG III and the other QBs in terms of knowing the system but Bob is getting most 1st team reps.
Everyone expects Griffin to be the starter but of the little I have seen, I will relay this one thing that I found significant in tape of an early practice.
I saw Hue Jackson walking and talking fast as he clapped his hands to set a quick tempo. Everyone 'except' RG III snapped into action when Hue came walking fast but RG III stood there in a daze as Hue came up and looked right past him as he grabbed his shoulders as he kept talking, basically not acknowledging RG III's question as he kept coaching without missing a beat. RG III then looked around and realized that everyone else had kept going and that 'HE' was the only one out of synch and then he snapped into action.
THAT stood out to me. The fact that Hue didn't even acknowledge diva actions but kept right on walking and coaching and RG III had to catch up and get in line. He did but it took him a lil longer than everyone else to realize but he did catch on.
Right now, he is a lil behind Josh McCown in the starter competition but he's getting 1st team reps.
I don't expect a huge comeback but he could turn into a 'game manager' type of QB if he settles into that role because he won't be given an inch to turn into the diva he was in DC.
RG III arrived as the savior and it read like a Hollywood script but that was only the 1st act. The 2nd act was the downfall which was fueled with racial undertones which probably also helped to fuel his ascent into superstardom.
The 3rd act is about to play out but he arrives in Cleveland without the fanfare, the club didn't pay a premium, and he has taken a hit to his ego and is re-evaluating his footing. He understands that he doesn't have the juice that he 'thought' he had in DC. Robert hasn't been named the starter and reports say that Josh McCown is ahead of RG III and the other QBs in terms of knowing the system but Bob is getting most 1st team reps.
Everyone expects Griffin to be the starter but of the little I have seen, I will relay this one thing that I found significant in tape of an early practice.
I saw Hue Jackson walking and talking fast as he clapped his hands to set a quick tempo. Everyone 'except' RG III snapped into action when Hue came walking fast but RG III stood there in a daze as Hue came up and looked right past him as he grabbed his shoulders as he kept talking, basically not acknowledging RG III's question as he kept coaching without missing a beat. RG III then looked around and realized that everyone else had kept going and that 'HE' was the only one out of synch and then he snapped into action.
THAT stood out to me. The fact that Hue didn't even acknowledge diva actions but kept right on walking and coaching and RG III had to catch up and get in line. He did but it took him a lil longer than everyone else to realize but he did catch on.
Right now, he is a lil behind Josh McCown in the starter competition but he's getting 1st team reps.
I don't expect a huge comeback but he could turn into a 'game manager' type of QB if he settles into that role because he won't be given an inch to turn into the diva he was in DC.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Jackson is a leader- in the sense that he inspires devotion and commitment from those who he is leading. I think RG3 has been humbled enough and on top of that having someone like Jackson who is not only extremely competent but knows how to get his players to buy in and go all in with him really boosts the potential for a RG3 resurgence in my mind.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
RG III has been vocal about some things that he has learned.
This morning, from MMQB. Reports said RG III would need time to learn the NFL game when he was drafted.
Hue Jackson has a plan and is working hard with RG III to improve his game. He still needs lots of work but he has made 'some' progress in the short time they have been together.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/06/08/robert-griffin-rg3-cleveland-browns-starter-nfl-notes
THU JUN. 9, 2016
The Ongoing Growth of Griffin
... Two years ago, Washington coach Jay Gruden told me that, despite a spectacular debut season, Griffin was still painfully raw as a pro quarterback, emphasizing that it would take patience to see him through to the point at which his game would have NFL staying power. To be sure, Jackson has seen growth, but it’s also easy to see that he knows what Gruden was trying to say.
“I’m not gonna say he’s raw, but he is still developing. And most young quarterbacks are still developing,” Jackson said.
...That started nearly three months ago with Jackson directing Griffin to work with quarterbacking guru Tom House, someone Jackson called “one of the greater teachers in dealing with quarterbacks around.”
“If he’s not around me, I want him to be around the best,” Jackson said. When Griffin has been around Jackson, there’s been an emphasis on footwork, progression reading, and protecting himself and being smart on off-schedule plays. There, the coach says the improvement has been “twofold.” In fact, one most encouraging moment of the last couple weeks of work was Griffin hitting the deck on a lost play.
“There’s a time to say uncle,” Jackson said. “He’s taught himself to slide.”
- Throwing the ball away
- He has learned to slide
This morning, from MMQB. Reports said RG III would need time to learn the NFL game when he was drafted.
Hue Jackson has a plan and is working hard with RG III to improve his game. He still needs lots of work but he has made 'some' progress in the short time they have been together.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/06/08/robert-griffin-rg3-cleveland-browns-starter-nfl-notes
THU JUN. 9, 2016
The Ongoing Growth of Griffin
... Two years ago, Washington coach Jay Gruden told me that, despite a spectacular debut season, Griffin was still painfully raw as a pro quarterback, emphasizing that it would take patience to see him through to the point at which his game would have NFL staying power. To be sure, Jackson has seen growth, but it’s also easy to see that he knows what Gruden was trying to say.
“I’m not gonna say he’s raw, but he is still developing. And most young quarterbacks are still developing,” Jackson said.
...That started nearly three months ago with Jackson directing Griffin to work with quarterbacking guru Tom House, someone Jackson called “one of the greater teachers in dealing with quarterbacks around.”
“If he’s not around me, I want him to be around the best,” Jackson said. When Griffin has been around Jackson, there’s been an emphasis on footwork, progression reading, and protecting himself and being smart on off-schedule plays. There, the coach says the improvement has been “twofold.” In fact, one most encouraging moment of the last couple weeks of work was Griffin hitting the deck on a lost play.
“There’s a time to say uncle,” Jackson said. “He’s taught himself to slide.”
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Braktastic
Footballguy
Oh, I don't believe that for a second. I'm sure somebody said, "Wow, RGIII sucks, what the hell were we thinking"!?
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
RG3 is a disaster. He was there for other teams to take, and nobody wanted him. Yet Cleveland with it's infinite front office wisdom thinks they can rescue him.
He will be on the bench by week 3 if not sooner. Blaming his WR and OL for not playing better.
He will be on the bench by week 3 if not sooner. Blaming his WR and OL for not playing better.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/08/robert_griffin_has_excelled_in.html
Robert Griffin III has excelled in Browns camp, but must prove it when the live rush is on
Robert Griffin III has excelled in Browns camp, but must prove it when the live rush is on
CabinFever
Footballguy
I hope Robert can turn his career around. By all accounts he is a good human being. But no matter how good he looks at practice, the issue is his pocket presence when real bullets are flying. Where some QBs can just calmly sit in the pocket and side step to avoid a rush (Brees is great at that) Robert just panics and it seems everything breaks down in his head.
Timmay
Footballguy
Im in on him this year. I think he will start the year off well, but probably fall off a bit as the year goes on. Might look to sell high after the first month of the season. Regardless of who my starting QB is, I will hopefully be able to get RG3 for practically nothing towards the end of drafts.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Hmnn. I am not sure what to expect but if I owned him or made an investment looking to sell-high I wouldn't dump him after the first month because Josh Gordon is due back after serving a four-game suspension so you wouldn't be selling high IMHO.
I'm just not sure what to expect and I don't think we will really get a good bead on how he will perform in Hue Jackson's system in the preseason because we won't see the real offense until that first game.
The key to RG III this year is how he fits into Hue Jackson's offense IMHO. I think Hue can scheme quick throws to make easy decisions for Bob but we need to see it in action. The preseason won't tell us much that we don't already know. He struggles making decisions under pressure and Hue knows that so he has tailored his system to take advantage of Bob's arm and deep bucket accuracy and I'm sure we'll see designed runs to take advantage of his legs but we're not going to see this offense unveiled in the preseason.
It's only a matter of time before Griffin is hurt. Even if he is putting up stats like 2012 you will be rolling the dice on when he goes out due to injury.
Timmay
Footballguy
I agree. I like the way he plays for fantasy purposes, but he is way too scary to really rely on him for a full year with the way he scrambles at the first sign of danger. Can Hue change that with time, possibly, but I don't think we will see much of an improvement on it this year. Im selling high on him the first chance I get, but most people wont bite too early. Barnidge on the other hand is going to be the real winner here.thayman said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Best case scenario is your draft him late, he runs the read option and plays well for a few weeks and you trade him before the inevitable injury.
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CapnJB
Footballguy
He didn't look decent. He is locking onto receivers as soon as the ball is hiked. He is throwing the ball at feet or 10 feet above heads. He looks awesome without pads on, not so much when there is real pressure. If Pryor didn't make a diving catch, he would have been 3/8 for 18 yards and pick. Oh, he also fumbled. Not a fan.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
After seeing him for a few years in DC, I actually think rg3 is a bright guy and probably a decent leader from the on field perspective. But he is not a bright football player, much less QB. He is lazy when it comes to plays and reads. He is lazy working on his skills and adapting them. He is lazy as a leader OFF the field. He reminds me of a smart teenager that refuses to listen to what others say and incorporate it into his style, or also just do what he is asked to at times, rather than having his own opinions. That type of teenager is smart but doesn't have the maturity to figure out the common sense and hard work aspects for a long time
I have no ill will towards him and I'm glad he got a fresh start, but in my opinion RG3 will never mature into a truly coachable football mind. He's just a teenager hung up in doing things his way
I have no ill will towards him and I'm glad he got a fresh start, but in my opinion RG3 will never mature into a truly coachable football mind. He's just a teenager hung up in doing things his way
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Absolutely right on the money.
I am treating this situation as a dumpster fire. RGIII will not make this offense viable. All Cleveland skill players are off the board for me until someone else, even Austin Davis, is named QB.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
not even gonna wait to see him throwing at coleman and gordon?Absolutely right on the money.
I am treating this situation as a dumpster fire. RGIII will not make this offense viable. All Cleveland skill players are off the board for me until someone else, even Austin Davis, is named QB.
hm.
steelers1080
Footballguy
If Gordon could catch with the gross QBs he had his rookie year, he can definitely do alright with RG3. Also, his first game after over a year, not surprising that he was a bit jumpy.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
I would be jumpy if Cam Erving was my center. Guy gets overpowered with alarming regularity. Good example right here. He was beaten badly up the middle in the first series of the first pre-season game. There should be a lot of pressure up the middle all year. Couple that with the certain pressure that will come from the right side and Griffin will be getting hit a lot. He already struggles getting through his reads.
Coleman is a rookie and Gordon won't be back until week 5 and probably won't be right until week 7 or 8.
I am definitely not excited about this offense.
Coleman is a rookie and Gordon won't be back until week 5 and probably won't be right until week 7 or 8.
I am definitely not excited about this offense.
