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Official Robert Griffin III - RGIII RG3 (1 Viewer)

Sabertooth said:
Gabbert got another shot.  Griffin will get another shot.  
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Griffin will definitely get another shot.  It's a question of what type of shot does he get.

In 2012, the Shanahans custom tailored their offense to fit Griffin's talents.  Jay Gruden tried get Griffin to learn his offense.  And it was a complete mismatch.

This go around, Griffin will probably sign as a backup or at best, compete for a starting job.  That means he will need to execute the offense the team is running.  Griffin needs to pick the team/offense very carefully. 

 
Eh, why not?

No one is going to hand him the starting job.  But how many teams love their backup, or 3rd QB?  Jets, Bills, 49ers, Browns, I could see a lot of teams trying to turn him around.

 
Seems like a decent spot for him. Hue Jackson should be able to help him. He had lobbied hard for the Skins to grab Josh Gordon a few years ago. So if Gordon is back, that could be an interesting combo.

 
MattFancy said:
Seems like a decent spot for him. Hue Jackson should be able to help him. He had lobbied hard for the Skins to grab Josh Gordon a few years ago. So if Gordon is back, that could be an interesting combo.
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Wow, that totally went over my head. I had completely forgotten the RGIII-Gordon connection.  That IS interesting, in itself.  

 
domvin said:
They will still take Wentz.   This is just to keep Wentz from getting beaten up the next 2 years....
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Probably will, but it makes little sense to me. If you think RGIII is good enough, you don't waste the pick on Wentz. It isn't like he's a once in a generation talent that you cant pass on. If you don't think RG is good enough, don't waste your time with him. Sign some older player like Fitz. RG is too young to be a stop gap IMO.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Probably will, but it makes little sense to me. If you think RGIII is good enough, you don't waste the pick on Wentz. It isn't like he's a once in a generation talent that you cant pass on. If you don't think RG is good enough, don't waste your time with him. Sign some older player like Fitz. RG is too young to be a stop gap IMO.
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It makes perfect sense when you realize you're talking about the Cleveland Browns.

 
MattFancy said:
Seems like a decent spot for him. Hue Jackson should be able to help him. He had lobbied hard for the Skins to grab Josh Gordon a few years ago. So if Gordon is back, that could be an interesting combo.
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Definitely a great spot for him. They will be able to blame the WRs, the OL, the Rbs, the OC, the HC and the FO. Bob can eak out 3-4 years if he stays upright.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Probably will, but it makes little sense to me. If you think RGIII is good enough, you don't waste the pick on Wentz. It isn't like he's a once in a generation talent that you cant pass on. If you don't think RG is good enough, don't waste your time with him. Sign some older player like Fitz. RG is too young to be a stop gap IMO.
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I don't think Fitz would take that contract. If he was, I think he'd already have signed with NY.

 
Price check on RG3. What is his value now? 3rd round rookie pick? Own him in several leagues but I doubt I could get a 2nd.

 
domvin said:
Fitzpatrick was asking 18 mil per year...
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Exactly, and from most reports NYJ are offering him Chase Daniel $... maybe $9mil/season now.

As long as it was a short term deal I think Fitz is being more reasonable between the two sides, at least based on how he played in that offense. They can be a contender to win the AFC with Fitz and an early high impact draft.

 
In my Dynasty league I've reached out to gauge offers and 0 people offered even a 4th round pick for him.  I think they'd rather wait to see what actually happens first and end up paying more later as opposed to potentially wasting a pick.

If Gordon comes back and they go OT/WR in the first 3 rounds, he has a shot of being ok.  If they go Wentz then D, he's screwed. 

 
So many folks in local media (I'm in DC market) bashing RGIII for a bad decision.  But he really didn't have any good options.  Bad situation yes, bad decision probably not.  Dude got 7 mil guarantee to potentially start, Chase Daniel got guaranteed 12 mil to be a backup.

Everybody is saying he should have gone somewhere to be a backup are making the assumption that that was an option on the table, but I'm not sure it was.  I'm guessing most teams would rather have a cheap, older, stable backup than Griffin.  A guy with a little less flash, but who they can count on in a pinch to know the playbook, make the reads and execute the offense.  Griffin ain't that guy.

Plus, he's 26.  If he goes and sits for a year or two, he's going to START his career again at 27 or 28?  Part of his appeal is his athleticism and the prime window for that is closing fast.  If I were him I'd go for any starting gig I could get at this point even IF he could get a cush backup gig, which I doubt.  He's already done the sit and learn thing last year, and most of the year before that.

I have some empathy for Griffin.  He's made some mistakes, but who hasn't?  It's not like the guy is a thug.  He seemed a bit arrogant in his approach to many things, but the kid had never experienced anything but over the moon success in his life and he didn't know how to handle failure.  Sure, some would have handled it better than he did, but not that many.

If he comes out a little humbler this time, it will be easy for me to root for him.

Many are bashing Cleveland as well, saying it was a horrible fit.  I totally disagree on that too.  They risked virtually nothing on a guy who at one point was a considered an up and coming stud.  If there is a 2% chance he'll be viable starter forward, it was a great deal for them.  They've got tons of cap, no long term implications and lots of excuses for failure.  It makes sense with or without a QB investment at 1.2.  If they like a guy, he can hopefully sit a year and learn.  If they don't they can take a project QB later and ride with Griffin for a year or two.  If he's good or even OK, they can continue the experiment.  If he sucks, well, they'll get another premium pick next year.  Win-win.

 
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Swing 51 said:
That window closed at Fed Ex vs. the Seahawks in the NFC wildcard game.

I wish Subway Bob well though....
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Very possible.  My point is though that waiting isn't going to help.  He may never be what he once was, but I think he's still pretty fast in a straight line, and he won't be forever.

 
squistion said:
Price check on RG3. What is his value now? 3rd round rookie pick? Own him in several leagues but I doubt I could get a 2nd.
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2QB league is all I play and I do own him in one of my leagues.  As an owner there's no point in me selling him for less than a 1st.  I either get a QB with that 1st or I take the chance that he's back to playing like he did his rookie year.  It's not worth it to sell him for pennies because if he hits (and he's proven he can), then he's worth a lot more.  I don't play 1QB leagues but I doubt I'd sell for less than 2.04 or what I view as the cutoff for one of Goff or Wentz.  

 
Zyphros said:
2QB league is all I play and I do own him in one of my leagues.  As an owner there's no point in me selling him for less than a 1st.  I either get a QB with that 1st or I take the chance that he's back to playing like he did his rookie year.  It's not worth it to sell him for pennies because if he hits (and he's proven he can), then he's worth a lot more.  I don't play 1QB leagues but I doubt I'd sell for less than 2.04 or what I view as the cutoff for one of Goff or Wentz.  
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That seems about right although I doubt anyone would pay it. Saw a Twitter poll and only 8% would give any 2nd round pick, so probably less than that for a low 2nd.

 
I found former HC Shanahan's reported recent endorsement and attempt to put past differences behind him surprising, shocking even (also big of him to make the first move - well, actually, Shanahan endorsed him to another coach, than RG3 called to thank him, and got a lot of praise and encouragement that in Shanahan's opinion he still has what it takes that made him a star in the first place, but he needs to find the right system that allows him to do what he does best, and be patient). I don't put massive stock in it, it probably won't be the cause of moving the needle a lot on most projections, but in a small way, at some level, I hope it bodes well. I do like the fit with Hue Jackson, and especially if Josh Gordon is reinstated, keeps his nose clean (so to speak) and they are able to be reunited for any kind of extended period. In the seemingly unlikely event that RG3 avoids injury, regains some approximation of his once brilliant Rookie of the Year form (over Luck and Wilson), Josh Gordon can stay out of trouble and they simultaneously rediscover their mojo together, that potential dangerous synergy and dynamic likely isn't being properly accounted for and the upside reckoned. Big upside if things improbably click.   

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/30/shanahan-tells-rg3-to-be-patient-be-himself/

 
Bob Magaw said:
I found former HC Shanahan's reported recent endorsement and attempt to put past differences behind him surprising, shocking even (also big of him to make the first move - well, actually, Shanahan endorsed him to another coach, than RG3 called to thank him, and got a lot of praise and encouragement that in Shanahan's opinion he still has what it takes that made him a star in the first place, but he needs to find the right system that allows him to do what he does best, and be patient). I don't put massive stock in it, it probably won't be the cause of moving the needle a lot on most projections, but in a small way, at some level, I hope it bodes well. I do like the fit with Hue Jackson, and especially if Josh Gordon is reinstated, keeps his nose clean (so to speak) and they are able to be reunited for any kind of extended period. In the seemingly unlikely event that RG3 avoids injury, regains some approximation of his once brilliant Rookie of the Year form (over Luck and Wilson), Josh Gordon can stay out of trouble and they simultaneously rediscover their mojo together, that potential dangerous synergy and dynamic likely isn't being properly accounted for and the upside reckoned. Big upside if things improbably click.   

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/30/shanahan-tells-rg3-to-be-patient-be-himself/
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Fisher and Shanahan have a well-known long time friendship.  

Remember when Fisher trolled Washington by trotting out all of the players acquired in the RG III trade to thumb his nose at Dan Synder because Shanahan got fired when it all fell apart with RG III and Mike was against trading all of those picks and he is the one who wanted and got Cousins.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000440849/article/rams-players-unaware-of-jeff-fisherrgiii-prank

 
 
Jeff Fisher showed his smug sense of humor on Sunday after trotting out his miniature armada of players received from the Robert Griffin III trade as the coin toss captains.


...As the St. Louis Post-Dispatch noted, Fisher is a long-time friend of Mike Shanahan, who was let go by the organization last season. Perhaps there was a little personal motivation behind the move. 
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The Rams were the only team to call Shanahan because of the relationship with RG III that turned sour so I would imagine other teams didn't think they could get an unbiased opinion but Jeff knew that he would get the inside story from Mike.   Publically he has said he got a good report from Shanahan.

Also, note that John Elway spoke to his good friend, Kyle Shanahan the son of Mike, and Elway got his own inside scoop from Kyle. 

Notice that neither team brought him in for a visit or signed him so...

I wish RG III the best of luck but I don't honestly expect a miraculous comeback story.  

 
Whole article is worth a read, but holy moly...

Feb. 5, 2013 — Griffin called for a meeting. He declined to tell Mike Shanahan what he wanted to discuss, saying only it was important. Griffin, Mike and Kyle Shanahan and quarterbacks coach Matt LaFleur gathered in the offensive meeting room at the team headquarters in Ashburn, Virginia. With the coaches seated, Griffin walked to a blackboard and wrote:

Change things.
Change our protections.
Unacceptable.
Bottom line.

Griffin instructed the coaches to let him speak uninterrupted and rolled through a list of grievances, stressing that substantive changes had to occur immediately. Scrap the pass protection scheme and start over, Griffin demanded. There were 19 plays — primarily those from the 50-series and quarterback draws — that were unacceptable. Griffin, who supported his presentation with video clips of each play, expected them to be deleted from the playbook. Bottom line, Griffin said, he was a drop-back quarterback — not a running quarterback.

The Shanahans had planned to increase the number of drop-back plays in the offense as Griffin developed. Their timetable wasn’t fast enough. Griffin ordered his coaches to let him play in a manner in which they believed he could not succeed. Throughout Griffin’s lecture, one name was stuck in Shanahan’s mind: Snyder.

“When Robert is standing there going through all of that, I know it’s coming from Dan,” Shanahan said. “When Robert talked about ‘unacceptable,’ that was a word Dan used all the time. He was using phrases Dan used all the time. There’s only one way a guy who’s going into his second year would do something like this: If he sat down with the owner and the owner believed that this is the way he should be used.
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This is all stuff that has been rehashed over the years in DC. Of course, this article is from Jason Reid, former writer from the WaPo. He was never a big Griffin guy to begin with.

While I agree that Griffin isn't innocent in all of this, the team, wasn't doing him any favors either. It was a mess and it was best for both sides to move on. I wish Griffin nothing but the best the rest of his career. It was clear his future wasn't in Washington.

 
 You're right, the organization didn't do many favors by coddling to his every need.  They should have benched his ### right then and there and made him earn back the starting gig by running the 50 series all preseason long.

 Completely emasculated the coach and alienated himself from his teammates.  Cleveland is about to get a repeat of the same thing in Washington, the dude is off his rocker weird and narcissistic.

 
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The main thing I don't agree with, is that Shanahan was some innocent by-stander in the whole thing. Shanny was given full control of everything during his time in Washington. For as egotistical as he is, if Snyder was over-ruling him, why not just say "F it" and leave?

 
MattFancy said:
The main thing I don't agree with, is that Shanahan was some innocent by-stander in the whole thing. Shanny was given full control of everything during his time in Washington. For as egotistical as he is, if Snyder was over-ruling him, why not just say "F it" and leave?
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Wanted to get paid and to not give Snyder the satisfaction of "winning" if he were to have quit.

 
MattFancy said:
The main thing I don't agree with, is that Shanahan was some innocent by-stander in the whole thing. Shanny was given full control of everything during his time in Washington. For as egotistical as he is, if Snyder was over-ruling him, why not just say "F it" and leave?
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I can think of 7 million reasons.

 
Robert Griffin III said he is approaching the Browns' quarterback competition as if it is his job to lose.
"If they name you the starter, you’ve still got to go out there and work and beat out anybody that’s coming for your spot," Griffin said, "so the way I look at it is it is my spot and I have go out and defend that." Griffin's approach is probably not far from the reality of the situation. Although rookie Cody Kessler and Josh McCown should apply pressure all offseason, it would be surprising if Griffin is not the starter Week 1.

 
 
Source: Akron Beacon-Journal 
May 18 - 5:04 PM
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