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Official Robert Griffin III - RGIII RG3 (2 Viewers)
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SaintsInDome2006
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dirtyjay
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What happened to RG3 in Washington was as unfair of a shake that a QB could have.
Drafted #2, wins ROY, tears ACL Tries to plays through it for his team and fans as a leader. Tries to rush back and has not one but two coaches who didnt like what he brought to the table, even though what he brought to the table got the Skins to the playoffs and won him ROY.
His confidence is what happens when you try to fit a QB to a system and not a system to a QB.
The jury that has already came back on RG3 was equally unfair.
Drafted #2, wins ROY, tears ACL Tries to plays through it for his team and fans as a leader. Tries to rush back and has not one but two coaches who didnt like what he brought to the table, even though what he brought to the table got the Skins to the playoffs and won him ROY.
His confidence is what happens when you try to fit a QB to a system and not a system to a QB.
The jury that has already came back on RG3 was equally unfair.
GoBirds
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Wouldn't be surprised if he has a better season than Cousins next year depending on where he ends up. Have to think someone would give him a shot to start, don't know why he would want to warm the bench again behind Romo.
dirtyjay
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There will be teams lining up for his services. Cleveland? Houston? St. Louis? Philadelphia?GoBirds said:
Not to mention the teams that he would be able to compete for starter as a back up like Dallas, Denver and almost every other team.
I mean a team made a decent trade for Bradford and he has been hurt more than RG3 and he has been worse than RG3 over his career.
Bradford is one of the worst QBs in the NFL. RG3 had personal issues with his past coaches and I think that much is clear.
I do not care about personal issues at all, I care about wins and RG3 can bring those. Bradford can not.
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I'm not sure there are any. RG3's issue is that to be effective, he has to run. When he runs, he is brittle. But when he tries to be a pocket passer, he's just not NFL caliber. If he was less of an injury risk, Houston would be a good landing spot. Or Cleveland or St Louis. But I don't think he'll last more than 2 or 3 games playing the style of ball he played as a rookie. And as a traditional pocket passer, he's worse than what those teams already have.GoBirds said:
2012 RG3 could start for these teams. Right now, he MIGHT start for 3 of them. For the few games he'd stay healthy. I doubt Griffin starts 5 more games in his career.
msommer
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If RGIII ends in an adversarial relationship with his next coach also, is that then a sign that the league has got it in for him? Or maybe that RGIII is not that great in relating to his coaches (or maybe even listening to and learning from them)?
Houston will definitely look for a QB but is RGIII a Bill O'Brien kind of guy?
Cleveland will bring in competition for McCown as will Buffalo for TT and EJ but RGIII seems a little high profile for a 3rd string QB
Jets still have Geno. Eagles could use a back up for Bradford, but who knows what they will do now that Chip is out of town.
Fisher already chose someone else once, but at the right price, why not, although he might be ok with Foles.
49'ers, could happen as comp for Kaep/Gabbert, although Kaep can be cut without too much cap hit (barely 8m, half if designated a June 1st cut)
I agree. I'm not sure why a team would make him an automatic starter at this point. After 2012, he has shown nothing. That's nothing in 2013 and 2014. I think he has to go somewhere as a backup and prove himself. I could honestly see him as a backup in Buffalo since they have already committed to his style and also since I think Rex may have the right personality to work with "reclamation projects..."
tex
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I would love to see RGIII in a Texans uniform. He is miles and miles better than any other QB on their roster, and it would allow them to concentrate on another position in the draft , like a RB. Since Foster cannot stay healthy. RGIII throwing to DeAndre would be something to see!! 
I think you're not giving enough blame to RG3. He wanted to turn into a pocked passer, but never learned his craft. He was absolutely clueless on the field and had no idea what to do. He absorbed 33 sacks in 247 dropbacks. That's pathetically bad, and he looked the same during the 2015 preseason.
So let's give the Texans a QB that can't stay healthy in addition to a RB that can't stay healthy. Sure, he's got a cannon for an arm, but if he can't read the play and stand there to make the throw, DeAndre will wither on the vine.I would love to see RGIII in a Texans uniform. He is miles and miles better than any other QB on their roster, and it would allow them to concentrate on another position in the draft , like a RB. Since Foster cannot stay healthy. RGIII throwing to DeAndre would be something to see!!
dgreen
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Yep. I'm still an RG3 fan and think he CAN still be successful, but his drop off wasn't everybody else's fault. He no longer wanted to do what made him so good. He wants to transform his game (probably a good idea in the long term), but the problem is that he's NEVER done it before so he's starting back at the beginning. Hopefully he's learned some things while watching this year. Hopefully he can go somewhere with a coach that can convince him to mix in some of the old with the new as he learns.
I watched him going back into the tunnel after the game yesterday and he hugged several people in the front row of the stands. He was surrounded by about 10 cameras and then he just walked into the tunnel giving some high fives to fans. I wonder if he was thinking, "What happened here?" or "So glad to move on from this place!"
dgreen
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The Texans probably see themselves as a QB away from taking the next step. If they want to make that step next year, Griffin probably isn't their guy. If they are ok with potentially taking a couple seasons, then maybe he is.So let's give the Texans a QB that can't stay healthy in addition to a RB that can't stay healthy. Sure, he's got a cannon for an arm, but if he can't read the play and stand there to make the throw, DeAndre will wither on the vine.I would love to see RGIII in a Texans uniform. He is miles and miles better than any other QB on their roster, and it would allow them to concentrate on another position in the draft , like a RB. Since Foster cannot stay healthy. RGIII throwing to DeAndre would be something to see!!
GoBirds
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I think this would be a great option, plus he is a Texas guy.I would love to see RGIII in a Texans uniform. He is miles and miles better than any other QB on their roster, and it would allow them to concentrate on another position in the draft , like a RB. Since Foster cannot stay healthy. RGIII throwing to DeAndre would be something to see!!
Will be interesting to see him with a coach that tries to put a game plan together to fit him better.
They won't stop until they stop being true. My point was that it is just one more thing in a list of negatives against RG3. He's not a good pocket QB, he has no presence, he doesn't understand the plays, he can't read a defense, AND he's been injury prone due to his inability to protect himself.dirtyjay said:Will the stay healthy talking points stop?So let's give the Texans a QB that can't stay healthy in addition to a RB that can't stay healthy. Sure, he's got a cannon for an arm, but if he can't read the play and stand there to make the throw, DeAndre will wither on the vine.I would love to see RGIII in a Texans uniform. He is miles and miles better than any other QB on their roster, and it would allow them to concentrate on another position in the draft , like a RB. Since Foster cannot stay healthy. RGIII throwing to DeAndre would be something to see!!
Bradford cant stay healthy and teams still trade for him and name him their starter, he even missed some more games this year.
People better not have any more love for Leveon Bell, because he cant stay healthy.
Cue the "Did you just compare RG3 to Bell?" Yes, for injury sake I have.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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That "inspirational" note he left taped to his locker shows just how much of everything that happened was really on RGIII himself. Passive-aggressive until the end.
He's a running QB who doesn't want to run, is on the small side, has absolutely ZERO sense of how to protect himself and can't succeed in the pocket. Anyone who signs him is gonna end up sorry for it.
He's a running QB who doesn't want to run, is on the small side, has absolutely ZERO sense of how to protect himself and can't succeed in the pocket. Anyone who signs him is gonna end up sorry for it.
Tom Skerritt
Footballguy
I was just glad we didn't have to watch all of the Subway commercials and whatever else he was peddling. Bad enough we have to put up with all of the Russell Wilson BS.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Am actually not seeing it widely reported, so maybe it's a hoax... but the Twit pic was of his empty locker with this taped to it.
dgreen
Footballguy
The pic has been tweeted by local reporters from today's interviews (Robert didn't do any interviews; just left that quote hanging in his locker) so I don't think it's a hoax.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Different strokes. Seems about as passive aggressive as you could get to me.
IMO great to do all those things. Not so great to post a note about doing them for all the people you think have wronged you to find after you jet.
IMO great to do all those things. Not so great to post a note about doing them for all the people you think have wronged you to find after you jet.
Swing 51
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It is another unnecessary immature shot at the team from Subway Bob. Dude just needs to forget it and move on.
nittanylion
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MattFancy
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dgreen
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I haven't looked into it too much, but I didn't notice the media turning it into a story...yet. All I saw was the pic tweeted and stating the fact that this was left in his locker and he wasn't around for interviews.
But, my guess is the story here is that by leaving only that in his locker, Griffin is saying to the team and media that he did things the right way despite the way they treated him. Maybe that's true. Maybe it isn't. Either way, doesn't need to be communicated. Not sure if that's the direction the story is going or not...and I don't really care.
dgreen
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dirtyjay
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Media needs talking points, BAD!
Why else will they make a big deal about the letter that was in his locker all season?
People hate RG3, just admit you dont like him, you will always judge him as you do because of that.
So nothing he does will be right, especially when he leaves a letter that was in his locker all season.
Why else will they make a big deal about the letter that was in his locker all season?
People hate RG3, just admit you dont like him, you will always judge him as you do because of that.
So nothing he does will be right, especially when he leaves a letter that was in his locker all season.
Do you ever make a post that isn't whining? Let me give you some news...if a team thought RG3 would make them better than they are currently, they would snatch him up in a heartbeat. If the Redskins thought he gave them a better chance to win than Kirk Cousins did, he'd have been the starter. It's about winning.
And his injuries are a serious problem. They aren't fluky. He got hurt this preseason because he dove on a fumble. a defender barely made contact with him as he tried recovering it. It's a typical play and in no way looked like an injury. Yet he hurt himself again. The one thing that made him a great player is his running ability. But his running ability gets him hit and he's the most brittle player I've ever seen. His legs are like a giraffe's legs. Thin sticks that bend every which way when he's hit. That is why there is very little interest in him at this point. Why do you think people have to hate the guy just because they don't think he's a good player? If he shows he can get through a season AND be effective, then maybe his outlook improves for 2017.
cstu
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
It's almost like you know absolutely nothing about him, the story, or that team.
Is this an RGIII alias?
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
He's a nassasistic and delusional, 1 read QB with an injury history and unwillingness to be accountable and throws teammates under the bus. On top of all that he's just an odd bird who has a lot of weird quirks and doesn't fit in with other players, something that's crippling to being a leader of men. The only remote chance he has to be successful is to run the read option or sit for a few years and learn how to read a defense, both are things he has to this point been unwilling to do. Even if you were to get through his delusional thick head , he would still eventually get injured so it's a Catch-22.
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dirtyjay
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Oh bull. You can't resist. Tell them how you inboxed me last week. If I'm blocked like you claim, you wouldn't be able to do that.
I was a massive RG3 fan. He was a doosh in 13 and 14. In 14 his teammates voted to strip him of being a Team Captain. Although Snyder/Allen enabled him by handing him the startering job but his attitude was awful.
First of all is if he can run like he used to or did the ACL tear and NFL brain-washing take that out of him.
As a running mobile QB he is outstanding.
As a pocket passer he's terrible. He has no concept of looking off a DB and will never have a career til that changes. I wonder if when he ran his eyes were at guys coming for him and it just totally masked this issue. Watch any recent game, the CBs are like all-pros and always right there when the pass gets to the WR and this happens every single week.
He's very uncomfortable.
He either had too high expectations for himself or the team did because every play the guy wanted a TD. He showed no concept of being efficient.
He is a super athlete. To complete some of the passes he did when the WRs were covered does show something.
I love the way he throws a deep pass like Michael Bishop did 100 years ago. I could watch him do that all day. I think most of the time it's wrong though and he needs to just float it and let them run under it. That strong arm is trying to time it and I don't think that's even necessary most of the time.
I wouldn't start him unless he shows he can run.
Otherwise he is a 25 going on 26 year old QB that needs to make himself coach-able and hook up with a team that will give him time to develop. I don't see anything wrong with backing up Romo, being taught by Garrett and then taking over when Romo retires. Let's see who the Giants QB coach is, maybe backup Eli for a bit.
He's mistake prone like rookie QBs. Whisenhunt, Lovie, and Pettine were all fired. In no way can I see O'Brien thinking RG3 is a good idea.
I don't think there are many teams or coaches whose careers can afford to start him day one.
The Browns- is he really better than Terrelle Pryor at QB? Why sign him? If they want a running project QB, they got one.
Most of all QBs ego and confidence and all that is so very key to their game. As a rook he definitely had "it" but after his knee he totally did not. A leader? As a rook, he made me watching the game go out and play catch. I can only imagine how much his teammates wanted to play with him then. After the knee though....made me change the channel or root for "Gunslinger Colt McCoy from Texas" because that's the greatest nickname for a QB
As a running mobile QB he is outstanding.
As a pocket passer he's terrible. He has no concept of looking off a DB and will never have a career til that changes. I wonder if when he ran his eyes were at guys coming for him and it just totally masked this issue. Watch any recent game, the CBs are like all-pros and always right there when the pass gets to the WR and this happens every single week.
He's very uncomfortable.
He either had too high expectations for himself or the team did because every play the guy wanted a TD. He showed no concept of being efficient.
He is a super athlete. To complete some of the passes he did when the WRs were covered does show something.
I love the way he throws a deep pass like Michael Bishop did 100 years ago. I could watch him do that all day. I think most of the time it's wrong though and he needs to just float it and let them run under it. That strong arm is trying to time it and I don't think that's even necessary most of the time.
I wouldn't start him unless he shows he can run.
Otherwise he is a 25 going on 26 year old QB that needs to make himself coach-able and hook up with a team that will give him time to develop. I don't see anything wrong with backing up Romo, being taught by Garrett and then taking over when Romo retires. Let's see who the Giants QB coach is, maybe backup Eli for a bit.
He's mistake prone like rookie QBs. Whisenhunt, Lovie, and Pettine were all fired. In no way can I see O'Brien thinking RG3 is a good idea.
I don't think there are many teams or coaches whose careers can afford to start him day one.
The Browns- is he really better than Terrelle Pryor at QB? Why sign him? If they want a running project QB, they got one.
Most of all QBs ego and confidence and all that is so very key to their game. As a rook he definitely had "it" but after his knee he totally did not. A leader? As a rook, he made me watching the game go out and play catch. I can only imagine how much his teammates wanted to play with him then. After the knee though....made me change the channel or root for "Gunslinger Colt McCoy from Texas" because that's the greatest nickname for a QB
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dirtyjay
Footballguy
How was he a doosh? I am excited to hear all about it from people who know him personally and dont get their info from the media.
Why was he a doosh?
That's what Rotoworld labeled it so I guess that works for you.
The note is apparently from Mother Theresa and it's being labeled passive-aggressive and people are running with it like it's gospel.
jumper
Footballguy
To me it's between the Browns, Texans, and 49ers. So let's compare on appropriate evaluation categories:
(A) Previous history of stupid decision making: 1. CLE (extreme), 2. SF (bad and getting worse), 3. HOU (mediocre)
(B) Team Incompetence factor: 1 (tie) CLE and SF, both atrocious but CLE holding steady and SF getting worse by the minute. Distant 3rd: HOU looks like a model franchise in comparison. And finally;
© 2016 salary cap money available: 1. SF $53 million, 2. CLE $35.4 million. and HOU $28.7 million.
Final result: SF pulls out the overtime win to overpay for RG3, leaving the hapless Browns yet again safe from one bad decision and freeing them to make an even more catastrophically bad decision in reaction. Like signing Matt Flynn and Josh Freeman to compete for the starting job kinda bad.
dirtyjay
Footballguy
SF already has an RG3 type with Kape.
Cleveland cant take a chance on an RG3 after all their mishaps.
Houston seems like an option since Hoyers brain is mush and Savage is still unproven.
Philly would have been great if Chip was there, now? Depends on the coach.
Should be interesting to see his landing spot.
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The local media was remarkably pro Griffin since the local sports media is largely controlled by Snyder, Griffin's biggest supporter. Most of the negative came from Griffin's Social Media accounts. You can Google thaose if you care to educate yourself.
