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*** Official *** Rogue One - A Star Wars Story (1 Viewer)

They won't be remade and they don't need to be.  It is what it is, and their failure helped launch the current success in some ways.  Lots of (good) untold stories to come.
I was talking to my daughter about this.  They are likely to open up plenty of new stories just from the holes in VII VIII and IX that they could tell.  They could easily recast Luke in the following phase of movies and tell the story of what happened between 6 and 7.

 
if I understood his deal with Disney, he sold the entire kit and kaboodle for $4 billion.  All that he retained was Skywalker Ranch.  Are you saying he still holds some rights?
Not sure if this is true, but I thought one of the contractual provisions was that none of his movies could be remade. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I wonder if it's not because of what we're seeing in THIS discussion. It's possible that the people working on it really don't see it (like Capella) and there's nobody in the room that can (like me) and thus they come to a consensus of "looks good". It DOES look good to most people, but not to others.

And there's possibly an economic factor to it. Maybe the law of diminishing returns applies where it gets prohibitively expensive the closer you get to "real".


I don't know if I've ever used this one before but  :rolleyes: to the bolded.

 
I don't know if I've ever used this one before but  :rolleyes: to the bolded.
:shrug: Why did nobody tell Steven Spielberg that it probably wasn't a good idea to call his movie "The BFG"?

"Hey, Steve. You do know what people will really call your movie, right?"

Groupthink convinces people of lots of things.

 
:shrug: Why did nobody tell Steven Spielberg that it probably wasn't a good idea to call his movie "The BFG"?

"Hey, Steve. You do know what people will really call your movie, right?"

Groupthink convinces people of lots of things.


My eyeroll simply meant that lots of talented, epxerienced, keen-eyed artists and engineered worked tirelessly for months to try to make those scenes look as great as they possibly could with the time, tech and resources available. It's better than most previous attempts and none will stop to make the next attempt even better.

btw, part of the culture in visual effects work is to get "fresh eyes" on problems as hard as this one. There's no one, silver bullet to cross the Uncanny Valley otherwise it would have been done already.

 
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We've already seen him wipe out dozens of Jedi kids
1. we didn't see him do it.
2. it's easier to redeem a character for what he did as an imprudent youth than for what he did as an adult.

You think you want to see Darth Vader being a murderous killing machine, but be careful what you wish for. Part of what made Vader so great in the first place is that he was so mysterious. He seemed like Evil Personified in 1977, but by 1983 it was understood that the true evil was Palpatine. But if you take away Vader's mystery and just show him killing people, then the audience won't be as willing to accept him as a good guy at the end of Jedi.

 
My eyeroll simply meant that lots of talented, epxerienced, keen-eyed artists and engineered worked tirelessly for months to try to make those scenes look as great as they possibly could with the time, tech and resources available. It's better than most previous attempts and none will stop to make the next attempt even better.

btw, part of the culture in visual effects work is to get "fresh eyes" on problems as hard as this one. There's no one, silver bullet to cross the Uncanny Valley otherwise it'll have been done already.
And all I waas trying to say was that it HAS been crossed - for a lot of people. Just not everybody.

I guess you're still asking the right question as to what keeps it from going the rest of the way. 

 
Nah, we know there is a back story with Vader between 3 and 4.  At the end of 3, there were still a ton of jedi alive.  By the start of 4 there weren't.  There is a story there.
Star Wars Rebels animated series may fill in some of this information - we already know there are/were a bunch of assassins with lightsabers hunting down the remaining Jedi in addition to Vader

 
My eyeroll simply meant that lots of talented, epxerienced, keen-eyed artists and engineered worked tirelessly for months to try to make those scenes look as great as they possibly could with the time, tech and resources available. It's better than most previous attempts and none will stop to make the next attempt even better.

btw, part of the culture in visual effects work is to get "fresh eyes" on problems as hard as this one. There's no one, silver bullet to cross the Uncanny Valley otherwise it would have been done already.
It would seem easy enough, don't CGI the mouth and just have an actor say the lines and have the CGI layover the rest of his face or do a side shot when he speaks so we only see a portion of his mouth.  It might have been more dramatic to see it that way anyway.

 
:shrug: Why did nobody tell Steven Spielberg that it probably wasn't a good idea to call his movie "The BFG"?

"Hey, Steve. You do know what people will really call your movie, right?"

Groupthink convinces people of lots of things.
Ummm...that was the name of the book. No group think necessary.

 
Psychopav said:
People complaining about character development should reserve judgement until they've seen the movie for the third time.  Then let me know if you still feel detached from the characters.  Don't forget you're comparing development to ANH which you probably have seen like 100 times...
Second go-round was pretty good. Power went out at work, they sent us out to WFH. I said Lolstarwars instead.

 
1. we didn't see him do it.
2. it's easier to redeem a character for what he did as an imprudent youth than for what he did as an adult.

You think you want to see Darth Vader being a murderous killing machine, but be careful what you wish for. Part of what made Vader so great in the first place is that he was so mysterious. He seemed like Evil Personified in 1977, but by 1983 it was understood that the true evil was Palpatine. But if you take away Vader's mystery and just show him killing people, then the audience won't be as willing to accept him as a good guy at the end of Jedi.
This.  Plus, how would you make the Vader movie without it being boring AF?  He's not much of a talker outside threats and orders, unless he's groveling before the Emperor.  Would you just have a series of lightsaber battles against the Jedi?  That gets a little tedious.  Now, if you told it from the perspective of the Jedi, that could be good.  It'd be like survival-horror.

Vader is great as a background menace.  Bring him into the forefront too much and you're going to end up with a whiner like Anakin or Kylo Ren, and that just takes all the badass away.  You don't really want a neutered-Vader movie, do you?

 
I took my 5y/o to the noon show on Friday. As a dad/SW dork, I wanted to experience this in the theater for the first time with him. After reading all of the "it's PG-13 for a reason", "it's the darkest SW film yet", and "there are a few 'cover the kids' eyes moments' reviews, I finally decided that if he could handle watching all other SW films at home, he could handle this one.

He did fine for the first 20 minutes, then got bored until the Scarif battle began. From there, he loved it. And that gave me the fun ''Dad/Son experience that I'd wanted. I hope he'll remember it enough down the road. Can't wait to take him to see Episode VIII when he's just that much older.

I stayed away from most articles about this film, because I wanted to genuinely be surprised. 

Likes:

- Tarkin getting a big role. (The CGI wasn't perfect, but damn, picking apart the minor visuals in a fantasy/sci-fi movie always makes me :rolleyes: ). 

- Loved seeing Red & Gold leaders. They were great surprises and IMO, the most under-credited tie-ins to ANH. Their presence (same actors & all) give this film that extra touch to relate it to ANH. I may have liked seeing them on screen more so than Tarkin & Leia, and to me, were the biggest "holy crap" surprises.

- The "war/conflict" tone. Showing the name of each planet. The rebel grunts on Scarif wearing Vietnam-era helmets was nice, as was their 'deer in the headlights' expressions before they entered the battle. The street ambush scene, and the secrecy involved in bringing the pilot to see Saw. It went for a totally different feel that all of the other films, & pulled it off.

- The helpless, desperate terror in the rebel faces as Vader took them down, one by one.

- I was caught off guard in seeing Leia's face, and dug that they threw her in.

- The countless TIE fighters being launched during the space battle. The Empire is still the Galactic Empire. Try us, rebel #####es.

Dislikes:

- No opening crawl. C'mon, this is still "a Star Wars story".

- The score. The music did not add anything to the scenes for me. Hell, even TPM had Darth Maul's epic "Duel of the Fates" track. 

- Where was the Jyn/TIE face off on the catwalk? Such a powerful shot to not have made it into the film. Heck, just the symbolism alone was nice to see in the preview.

- And probably the biggest, I didn't feel a connection with Jyn. I was surprised that she didn't make it, but didn't care that she died. To me, K2SO, the pilot, and even Krennic's deaths were more tragic.

8/10 for me upon first viewing.

 
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My eyeroll simply meant that lots of talented, epxerienced, keen-eyed artists and engineered worked tirelessly for months to try to make those scenes look as great as they possibly could with the time, tech and resources available. It's better than most previous attempts and none will stop to make the next attempt even better.

btw, part of the culture in visual effects work is to get "fresh eyes" on problems as hard as this one. There's no one, silver bullet to cross the Uncanny Valley otherwise it would have been done already.
It's so strange to me that there are people who don't think "wow that's a technological marvel" and instead think how it's not a perfect replica of a person who has passed away. 

30 years ago this would've been immensely praised. People are jaded AF. 

 
Did anyones Dad work on this movie?...because there seems to be a number of guys genuinely upset that people didn't like the Tarkin FX......

 
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http://www.vulture.com/2016/12/rogue-one-peter-cushing-digital-likeness.html

Kind of interesting take on it from a legal standpoint.  IIRC, this situation was brought to the forefront initially when Crispin Glover sued and won when they recreated his interpretation of George McFly for Back to the Future II.  Hopefully, the Cushing Estate got a decent chunk of change.......but even then, I wonder if it's continued...would SAG unions start to  try and fight it.

 
It's so strange to me that there are people who don't think "wow that's a technological marvel" and instead think how it's not a perfect replica of a person who has passed away. 

30 years ago this would've been immensely praised. People are jaded AF. 
5 or 10 years ago this would have been crazy. A guy who has been ####### dead since 1994 just played a huge role in a blockbuster sci-fi movie. It was awesome, and some people are way too spoiled if they don't realize that.

 
http://www.vulture.com/2016/12/rogue-one-peter-cushing-digital-likeness.html

Kind of interesting take on it from a legal standpoint.  IIRC, this situation was brought to the forefront initially when Crispin Glover sued and won when they recreated his interpretation of George McFly for Back to the Future II.  Hopefully, the Cushing Estate got a decent chunk of change.......but even then, I wonder if it's continued...would SAG unions start to  try and fight it.
His estate was definitely compensated, not sure why it would be an issue now. The point of having an estate is that someone makes these decisions, right?

I'm sure in the future there will be actors who have wills that specify they do not want their likeness replicated in future movies using this technology.

 
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So Guy Henry provided all the "acting" parts for Tarkin so that the other actors could play off him but the Tarkin voice was not Henry's.  It was Stephen Stanton who provided Tarkin's voice while ILM did their stuff to replace Henry with the CGIed Tarkin.

 
Here's a comparison between the Princesses. I agree with others that said they had a tougher time with her CGI, looked too video game-ish. 

 
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They won't be remade and they don't need to be.  It is what it is, and their failure helped launch the current success in some ways.  Lots of (good) untold stories to come.
What they lack in acting and plot, they almost make up for with universe building. The settings, size and scale of the galaxy is felt throughout the prequels.  It's amplified in the clone wars show. I would not want to lose all that when they've already destroyed the EU.

Are you ####### kidding me board!?!! I post you then delete you and you still bring back a post a made like a day ago?!? #### you.

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Not sure if it has been discussed here but was the guy they ran into on the street the same guy from the bar scene in A New Hope?
I wrote about it in my review page 14 or 15 in there somewhere after I apologized for bashing this thing the entire way but then like a fanboy bought primo tix to see it and was blown away. 

Lots of those tip of the cap to hard core fans peppered the screen from start to finish. 

 
so powerful.............lol

The best part of all these Star Wars threads are the people who crap on Revenge of the Sith in one breath and then go on to talk about how Jedi was a great film.
Revenge Of The Sith was solid, I can watch that one anytime. It is the only prequel with any true value (other than Darth Mauls fight scene with Qui Gon and Obi Wan). Obviously Episode one was made for kids and not pioneer Star Wars fans. I accepted that. Episode two was pure hot garbage. 

Return Of The Jedi is a good movie......obviously the weakest of the original trilogy. 

Rouge One is an instant classic. It was that good. Easily bumps Jedi out of the top 3 Star Wars films of all time (for me at least). I am a huge Star Wars fan and Rouge One is a true war movie set in the Star Wars Universe. I can't wait to see it again on the silver screen.

 
Not sure if it has been discussed here but was the guy they ran into on the street the same guy from the bar scene in A New Hope?
Yep....and his side kick whose arm was taken off by Obi Wan in the Creature Cantina. Awesome nod to the 1977 original. 

 
It's so strange to me that there are people who don't think "wow that's a technological marvel" and instead think how it's not a perfect replica of a person who has passed away. 

30 years ago this would've been immensely praised. People are jaded AF. 
Yeah I thought is was awesome. CGI today is amazing. It's a sci-fi fantasy movie....how the #### can we nit-pic something like that in a fantasy movie on such an epic scale.

Pure inertia here. Enjoy the movie!!!

 
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