***Official San Francisco Giants 2010 Thread (1 Viewer)

[Regular Crust Pizza]

Couple things I picked up:Giants pitchers have allowed three runs or fewer in 18 consecutive games. The last team to have a streak that long was the 1917 White Sox (who had a streak of 20 games)this article is on Fangraphs by Dave Cameron

You want to know why the San Francisco Giants are in first place in the NL West right now? Their team ERA in September is 1.47.That is not a typo. One point four seven. They have allowed 33 runs in 20 games. The Angels, who have the second fewest runs allowed this month, have given up 59. The Brewers, in third place, have given up 66. The Giants have allowed half as many runs this month as the team that has given up the third fewest in baseball.Their pitching has been ridiculous. Here are their performances and ranks in the core pitching stats for September.BB/9: 2.12 (1st)K/9: 8.44 (3rd)GB%: 47.9% (5th)Their staff has essentially pitched like a collective of Adam Wainwrights. Even when you regress their HR/FB and BABIP rates (both unsustainably low, as you would suspect of any team with a 1.47 ERA), you’re still looking at a team xFIP of 3.34 this month, which is the equivalent of Mat Latos‘ season.It has been a total team effort, with essentially the entire pitching staff throwing lights out every night. Matt Cain has the lowest strikeout rate of any of the starters, but he’s made up for it with a ridiculous 0.96 BB/9. Barry Zito hasn’t had good command, but he’s upped his K/9 to 8.31 this month. Tim Lincecum, Jonathan Sanchez, and Madison Bumgarner have done both, avoiding walks and racking up strikeouts in bunches.And then there’s the bullpen. In 50 innings pitched, they’ve allowed three runs. Seven of the nine relievers that have pitched for San Francisco this month have an ERA of 0.00. Brian Wilson (1.00) and Jeremy Affeldt (1.50) are the slackers who have dared to allow a run. Their .163 BABIP obviously won’t continue, but they have a bullpen full of groundballers who are pounding the strike zone, and that’s a pretty good combination.

 

[Eephus]

Couple things I picked up:Giants pitchers have allowed three runs or fewer in 18 consecutive games. The last team to have a streak that long was the 1917 White Sox (who had a streak of 20 games)

Jinx

 

[tommyGunZ]

Shaping up to be an awesome final week, with perhaps an extra "playoff" series starting next Friday.

 

[commisholio]

Getting cautiously optimistic, which we all know is a terrible place to be for a Giants fan. I feel like Charlie Brown going after the football. What new and horribly painful way will they find to crush our spirits this year?

 

[Eephus]

Getting cautiously optimistic, which we all know is a terrible place to be for a Giants fan. I feel like Charlie Brown going after the football. What new and horribly painful way will they find to crush our spirits this year?

I am as totally confident as you can be about a team with Jose Guillen on it

 

[badmojo1006]

Pat Burrell has been crushing some clutch HR's lately

 

[tommyGunZ]

Mark Reynolds is due for a 2 HR game.

C'mon D'Backs, a little help please.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Hey Buster, go #### yourself.

 

[badmojo1006]

Hey Buster, go #### yourself.

 

[5Rings]

3 man rotation in playoffs? Timmy, Cain, Sanchez?

Zeto and Baum as swing guys. Niceness.

WS baby!!!

 

[badmojo1006]

Freddie WTH?

Damn, didn't want to leave it to Zito tomorrow

 

[tommyGunZ]

Freddie WTH?Damn, didn't want to leave it to Zito tomorrow

Horrible baserunning. Maybe he had the Giants +1.5 last night?

 

[badmojo1006]

Effen Zito

 

[tommyGunZ]

Scott Hairston's ####### will be glued to the bench for the foreseeable future. ####### moron.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Momentum in our favor, but reality is that tomorrow is a big advantage SF. Latos has been awful recently and Sanchez owns the Pads. Pads will have to start all righties (save Gonzo) again tomorrow, with Denorfia in center and Cunningham in left - no way Buddy runs Scott Hairston out there again after his boneheaded baserunning today.

Good luck guys - what a fun last weekend. The Braves play early tomorrow, so hopefully they'll lose and tomorrow isn't the do or die game it could be.

 

[badmojo1006]

Momentum in our favor, but reality is that tomorrow is a big advantage SF. Latos has been awful recently and Sanchez owns the Pads. Pads will have to start all righties (save Gonzo) again tomorrow, with Denorfia in center and Cunningham in left - no way Buddy runs Scott Hairston out there again after his boneheaded baserunning today.Good luck guys - what a fun last weekend. The Braves play early tomorrow, so hopefully they'll lose and tomorrow isn't the do or die game it could be.

It has been a fun weekend. I still want the Giants to win today, do not want to play the Phillies in the first round

 

[whoknew]

If there is a game tomorrow, do we know where it will be?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Congrats to Giants fans, especially my man Eephus.

Would love to see this team in the fall classic.

 

[The Ref]

I can think of 50 reasons why I'd love to see the Giants win the WS this year. All of them at 75-1.

Go Giants.

 

[Eephus]

Happy and relieved by the win today. The prospect of two more set points wasn't appealing at all.

It's a cliche to say the whole team wins and it's probably true of every ballclub over the course of 162 games. But this Giants team lived the cliche more than most. The offense, such as it was, was assembled on the fly. A lot of guys passed through and made their mark in a game or a series. In spite of this mercenary/carpetbagger element, they were a fun team to support. They're probably the most likable Giants team since the original Humm Baby teams of 86 & 87. Even the pre-steroids Bonds teams weren't lovable like this group.

It'll be nice for them to enjoy the championship for a couple of days before getting back to business.

 

[Eephus]

Congrats to Giants fans, especially my man Eephus. Would love to see this team in the fall classic.

h

 

[tommyGunZ]

Hats off to the Giants - the better team won. I'll be wearing my black and orange Ocean Beach sweatshirt and pulling for SF in the playoffs.

Except when Sanchez pitches. I hope someone hits a liner off his kneecap. ####### #####.

 

[5Rings]

Hats off to the Giants - the better team won. I'll be wearing my black and orange Ocean Beach sweatshirt and pulling for SF in the playoffs. Except when Sanchez pitches. I hope someone hits a liner off his kneecap. ####### #####.

Padre fans Wish ATL would have lost....

 

[Fullback Fro]

Giants win the west. Giants win the west

So amped. Unreal.

 

[commisholio]

I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say that I looked at this team in spring training and said, yep, that's a team that belongs in the world series.

 

[Eephus]

I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say that I looked at this team in spring training and said, yep, that's a team that belongs in the world series.

I reread page one. It seems like about three years ago. I'd completely forgotten about Byung-Hyun Kim.I've never been so happy to be proven consistently wrong

 

[snitwitch]

They think we're smoking weed!

 

[commisholio]

I've never been so happy to be proven consistently wrong

I'm in this line, too. Still feel like someone's going to pull the rug out from underneath me, though.

 

[Eephus]

I've never been so happy to be proven consistently wrong

I'm in this line, too. Still feel like someone's going to pull the rug out from underneath me, though.

Win or lose, Sabean has a grace period until the Winter Meetings. I'll start complaining about his inexplicable free agent signings then.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Three bad:

Bruce Bochy and GM for Life Brian Sabean both get two year extensions

Three catchers and no outfielders

One more year of the ghost of Edgar Renteria

Three good:

At least the Cain for Rios deal fell through

Zito had better ROI than the Dow Jones in 2009

Lincecum's arm didn't fall off

Three unknowns:

Will they pick up Freddie Sanchez' option?

What aging bats can we overpay for?

Is Eugenio Velez the model for the 21st Century corner OF?

bold = wow

 

[Eephus]

Three bad:

Bruce Bochy and GM for Life Brian Sabean both get two year extensions

Three catchers and no outfielders

One more year of the ghost of Edgar Renteria

Three good:

At least the Cain for Rios deal fell through

Zito had better ROI than the Dow Jones in 2009

Lincecum's arm didn't fall off

Three unknowns:

Will they pick up Freddie Sanchez' option?

What aging bats can we overpay for?

Is Eugenio Velez the model for the 21st Century corner OF?

bold = wow

Bochy gets a long-term exemption from my second guessing. Sabean has some tough challenges ahead to decide which free agents to keep and continue building the offense.Posey being as ready as he was makes all the catching questions moot. Keeping him in Fresno delayed his Super Two eligibility and allegedly improved his receiving. Sandoval is a huge issue for the club. He's eaten himself out of two positions already and didn't hit well enough this year to justify a roster spot. If you had told me at the start of this thread that SF would get no production out of DeRosa and the Panda, I would have predicted a .500 season. I'm excited about DeRosa reentering the mix next year. He can either replace Burrell in LF or help out at 3B

Renteria has barely provided replacement level performance during his two years as a Giant. But the past week makes up a lot for the $18.5M shelled out to bring him in. SS is probably the biggest off-season challenge facing the front office. There aren't a lot of free agent options and there's no help on the farm (as usual - sorry force of habit). Juan Uribe's price tag will be higher than last year.

 

[commisholio]

It is just inexplicable how everything came together at the right time for this team. All of Sabes and Bochy's moves worked. I could not be more surprised or any happier.

 

[Eephus]

Let the pro-Sabean revisionism begin

Sabean-based Analysis

So here we are at the conclusion of Sabean’s 14th season at the helm of the Giants’ organization. This bumbling idiot of a GM who couldn’t be expected to win anything without riding on Bondsian coattails has rebuilt the team into a World Series winner in just three post-Barry years. This bumbling idiot of a GM who never saw an over-the-hill veteran he wouldn’t sign has done it without a key player older than 33, and with two 23-year-old regulars, and with his four best starting pitchers aged 27, 26, 25 and 20. This bumbling idiot of a GM who’s incapable of home-growing hitting talent has done it with his farm producing both the best-hitting young catcher in the game and a third baseman who a year ago placed seventh in the league’s MVP voting.

In his 14 seasons, Sabean’s teams have finished under .500 just four times. His teams have reached the postseason five times, having won 90 or more games seven times. Including even the losing seasons, they’ve averaged 86 wins. Sabean’s .535 winning percentage over 14 years ranks among the better any franchise has ever achieved over that long a period.

Is this deserved success, or dumb luck?

 

[thecatch]

Interesting article. Pretty much the only thing I don't agree with is the author's minimization of Sabean's failure to develop position players. Other than Rowand and Zito (two errors of historic proportions that may keep this Giants team from becoming a perennial World Series contender), I'm not at all convinced by the constant criticism of Sabean's short term veteran signings. The alternative would have been to rely on even worse young players from the farm system.

The team has been competitive for the better part of Sabean's reign, and now we have a WS title (and would have 2 in the last 10 years if not for the 2002 collapse). In the grand scheme of things, I have few complaints.

 

[Eephus]

Interesting article. Pretty much the only thing I don't agree with is the author's minimization of Sabean's failure to develop position players. Other than Rowand and Zito (two errors of historic proportions that may keep this Giants team from becoming a perennial World Series contender), I'm not at all convinced by the constant criticism of Sabean's short term veteran signings. The alternative would have been to rely on even worse young players from the farm system. The team has been competitive for the better part of Sabean's reign, and now we have a WS title (and would have 2 in the last 10 years if not for the 2002 collapse). In the grand scheme of things, I have few complaints.

My biggest problem w/ Sabean has always been his disregard of the draft. He signed Class A free agent mediocrities (remember Michael Tucker) and gave up compensation picks like they had no value. The irony is the Giants finally won the title with a core of homegrown pitchers acquired via the draft. The corpse of Steve Finley would be amused.But hey, we won. Sabes and me are cool.

 

[Regular Crust Pizza]

What's DeRosa's ability at SS? I'd feel alright going into next season depending on Uribe and DeRosa (if he's decent). This year's class of SS is so weak, I'd rather punt the position till next year than get stuck signing someone to a multiyear deal just 'cause they're the best available.

 

[Eephus]

What's DeRosa's ability at SS? I'd feel alright going into next season depending on Uribe and DeRosa (if he's decent). This year's class of SS is so weak, I'd rather punt the position till next year than get stuck signing someone to a multiyear deal just 'cause they're the best available.

I think DeRosa replaces Burrell in LF. He's not an option at SS. He hasn't played there regularly for almost ten years.

 

[Fullback Fro]

Giants decline Edgar's option. Thanks for the memories.

 

[Regular Crust Pizza]

What's DeRosa's ability at SS? I'd feel alright going into next season depending on Uribe and DeRosa (if he's decent). This year's class of SS is so weak, I'd rather punt the position till next year than get stuck signing someone to a multiyear deal just 'cause they're the best available.

I think DeRosa replaces Burrell in LF. He's not an option at SS. He hasn't played there regularly for almost ten years.

Blerg. That would be too easy, I guess.

 

[thecatch]

What's DeRosa's ability at SS? I'd feel alright going into next season depending on Uribe and DeRosa (if he's decent). This year's class of SS is so weak, I'd rather punt the position till next year than get stuck signing someone to a multiyear deal just 'cause they're the best available.

I think DeRosa replaces Burrell in LF. He's not an option at SS. He hasn't played there regularly for almost ten years.

Blerg. That would be too easy, I guess.

Can the team look through the couch cushions and find some $$ to sign Dunn/Konerko and move Huff to OF? DeRosa isn't exactly the offensive upgrade we're looking for.

 

[Regular Crust Pizza]

What's DeRosa's ability at SS? I'd feel alright going into next season depending on Uribe and DeRosa (if he's decent). This year's class of SS is so weak, I'd rather punt the position till next year than get stuck signing someone to a multiyear deal just 'cause they're the best available.

I think DeRosa replaces Burrell in LF. He's not an option at SS. He hasn't played there regularly for almost ten years.

Blerg. That would be too easy, I guess.

Can the team look through the couch cushions and find some $$ to sign Dunn/Konerko and move Huff to OF? DeRosa isn't exactly the offensive upgrade we're looking for.

Read somewhere the budget is likely to be over $100 mil next year. I would be alright with either on one year deal basis until Belt is ready, but I don't know if either would go it. Hell, they might be expendable at the deadline next year if Belt keeps up his pace.

 

[thecatch]

What's DeRosa's ability at SS? I'd feel alright going into next season depending on Uribe and DeRosa (if he's decent). This year's class of SS is so weak, I'd rather punt the position till next year than get stuck signing someone to a multiyear deal just 'cause they're the best available.

I think DeRosa replaces Burrell in LF. He's not an option at SS. He hasn't played there regularly for almost ten years.

Blerg. That would be too easy, I guess.

Can the team look through the couch cushions and find some $$ to sign Dunn/Konerko and move Huff to OF? DeRosa isn't exactly the offensive upgrade we're looking for.

Read somewhere the budget is likely to be over $100 mil next year. I would be alright with either on one year deal basis until Belt is ready, but I don't know if either would go it. Hell, they might be expendable at the deadline next year if Belt keeps up his pace.

Well, Belt could sub in for Cody Ross in RF too, assuming Ross doesn't mash in the regular season like he did in the 2010 playoffs. And it's probably unrealistic to expect Belt to come up and hit like Posey did right away anyway.

 

[Regular Crust Pizza]

Well, Belt could sub in for Cody Ross in RF too, assuming Ross doesn't mash in the regular season like he did in the 2010 playoffs. And it's probably unrealistic to expect Belt to come up and hit like Posey did right away anyway.

It probably is unrealistic, but his trajectory points to an appearance in the majors sometime next year though. All this being said - Rowand will probably be somewhere in the opening day line up. :hopingtobewrong: