***Official Soccer Discussion Thread*** (4 Viewers)

[guru_007]

what a ####### joke

 

[guru_007]

Earlier Arbeloa had a similar studs showing to evra and was simply yellow'd. this seemed identical. ####### bs

 

[Christo]

Rut - RohStuds were showing outDifference in that and a slide with cleats in same position?

It wasn't a tackle. He was trying to control the ball and a player was coming from another direction.

 

[sporthenry]

Rut - RohStuds were showing outDifference in that and a slide with cleats in same position?

B/c there is something to be said of intent. Not to mention, most slide tackles the guy is aware of the defender, Nani had no idea where the guy was. Here if Fifa's interpretation of fouls

“Careless” means that the player has shown a lack of attention orconsideration when making a challenge or that he acted without precaution.• No further disciplinary sanction is needed if a foul is judged to be careless“Reckless” means that the player has acted with complete disregard to thedanger to, or consequences for, his opponent.• A player who plays in a reckless manner must be cautioned“Using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the necessaryuse of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent.• A player who uses excessive force must be sent of

I'm not sure how you can call that "excessive force"

 

[ffldrew]

Modric with a bullett - nice strike on that one

 

[guru_007]

####### craptastic.

 

[sporthenry]

That will probably do it. Another card ruining a good game and I'm by no means a Man U supporter.

Guess Man U can play for PKs.

ETA: Well there goes that with Ronaldo with the goal.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Twitter makes it sound like this is the worst red card in the history of soccer...

 

[sporthenry]

Twitter makes it sound like this is the worst red card in the history of soccer...

Not worst, mainly b/c soccer is littered with terrible red cards, but definitely up there.

 

[guru_007]

just ####### great

 

[guru_007]

someone needs to knock this turkish #### upside the head

 

[guru_007]

wonder what the price was on bookings or red card this game. ####### cheating ####

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Twitter makes it sound like this is the worst red card in the history of soccer...

"clear red card" for @piersmorgan

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Twitter makes it sound like this is the worst red card in the history of soccer...

"clear red card" for @piersmorgan

Well, I'm convinced.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Twitter makes it sound like this is the worst red card in the history of soccer...

Not worst, mainly b/c soccer is littered with terrible red cards, but definitely up there.

I am not a ref but I could not see any intent there at all. At best you give a yellow for studs up. But it is not like Man U has not got a call in their favor once or twice over the years so these things have a way of evening themselves out.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Twitter makes it sound like this is the worst red card in the history of soccer...

"clear red card" for @piersmorgan

Well, I'm convinced.

Morgan is on fire. "thoughts with VanPursestrings at this very difficult time"

 

[Steve Tasker]

Twitter makes it sound like this is the worst red card in the history of soccer...

"clear red card" for @piersmorgan

Well, I'm convinced.

Morgan is on fire. "thoughts with VanPursestrings at this very difficult time"

He's a big fan of the "van Pursestrings" moniker. #fireWenger #IvanTheTerrible

 

[Spartans Rule]

Rut - RohStuds were showing outDifference in that and a slide with cleats in same position?

B/c there is something to be said of intent. Not to mention, most slide tackles the guy is aware of the defender, Nani had no idea where the guy was. Here if Fifa's interpretation of fouls

“Careless” means that the player has shown a lack of attention orconsideration when making a challenge or that he acted without precaution.• No further disciplinary sanction is needed if a foul is judged to be careless“Reckless” means that the player has acted with complete disregard to thedanger to, or consequences for, his opponent.• A player who plays in a reckless manner must be cautioned“Using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the necessaryuse of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent.• A player who uses excessive force must be sent of

I'm not sure how you can call that "excessive force"

I like those interpretations. It would be great if referees came anywhere close to following them.

 

[Slapdash]

Twitter makes it sound like this is the worst red card in the history of soccer...

"clear red card" for @piersmorgan

Well, I'm convinced.

Morgan is on fire. "thoughts with VanPursestrings at this very difficult time"

I didn't realize this guy could possibly be a bigger clown than he is on CNN.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

[unimaginative ManU joke]

We all thought it was curious to bench Rooney. Turns out benching Howard Webb was the bigger mistake.

[/unimaginative ManU joke]

 

[NewlyRetired]

Lopez has had a fantastic game in net.

 

[ffldrew]

Rut - Roh

Studs were showing out

Difference in that and a slide with cleats in same position?

B/c there is something to be said of intent. Not to mention, most slide tackles the guy is aware of the defender, Nani had no idea where the guy was. Here if Fifa's interpretation of fouls

"Careless" means that the player has shown a lack of attention or

consideration when making a challenge or that he acted without precaution.

• No further disciplinary sanction is needed if a foul is judged to be careless

"Reckless" means that the player has acted with complete disregard to the

danger to, or consequences for, his opponent.

• A player who plays in a reckless manner must be cautioned

"Using excessive force" means that the player has far exceeded the necessary

use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent.

• A player who uses excessive force must be sent of

I'm not sure how you can call that "excessive force"

I like those interpretations. It would be great if referees came anywhere close to following them.

Probably falls under Serious Foul Play as a sending off offence

Serious foul play

A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality

against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play.

A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as

serious foul play.

Pretty wide berth here - I'll agree - but it's the one most stud up tackles fall under

 

[jonessed]

Rut - RohStuds were showing outDifference in that and a slide with cleats in same position?

B/c there is something to be said of intent. Not to mention, most slide tackles the guy is aware of the defender, Nani had no idea where the guy was. Here if Fifa's interpretation of fouls

“Careless” means that the player has shown a lack of attention orconsideration when making a challenge or that he acted without precaution.• No further disciplinary sanction is needed if a foul is judged to be careless“Reckless” means that the player has acted with complete disregard to thedanger to, or consequences for, his opponent.• A player who plays in a reckless manner must be cautioned“Using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the necessaryuse of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent.• A player who uses excessive force must be sent of

I'm not sure how you can call that "excessive force"

Cleats first, chest-high is excessive force (he was also leaping). I think people are letting the bias of the announcers influence them here. It was a border-line call, but the red was always possible for that.You can tell the referee talked to his linesman so I'm guessing they might have deduced intent. I'm not sure it was required for the red though.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Assuming Arsenal does not pull off a small miracle in Munich, this will be the first CL quarter finals with out an English team since 1995-1996 when Blackburn was the loan English representative into the CL group stage.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Assuming Arsenal does not pull off a small miracle in Munich, this will be the first CL quarter finals with out an English team since 1995-1996 when Blackburn was the loan English representative into the CL group stage.

Please don't give Arsene more talking points."Well, I sink that no ozer English team advance in Champions League, so ve are up vere with ze best!"** I'm not in the Fire Wenger camp, but I think his press conferences keep getting more ridiculous.

 

[jonessed]

Lopez has had a fantastic game in net.

He really did. He was outstanding today.

 

[sporthenry]

Rut - RohStuds were showing outDifference in that and a slide with cleats in same position?

B/c there is something to be said of intent. Not to mention, most slide tackles the guy is aware of the defender, Nani had no idea where the guy was. Here if Fifa's interpretation of fouls

“Careless” means that the player has shown a lack of attention orconsideration when making a challenge or that he acted without precaution.• No further disciplinary sanction is needed if a foul is judged to be careless“Reckless” means that the player has acted with complete disregard to thedanger to, or consequences for, his opponent.• A player who plays in a reckless manner must be cautioned“Using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the necessaryuse of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent.• A player who uses excessive force must be sent of

I'm not sure how you can call that "excessive force"

Cleats first, chest-high is excessive force. I think people are letting the bias of the announcers influence them here. It was a border-line call, but the red was always possible for that.You can tell the referee talked to his linesman so I'm guessing they might have deduced intent. I'm not sure it was required for the red though.

Well considering everyone else in the studio also thought it was bad, it isn't just one over the top announcer. I am quite capable of making my own decision as well. It was very harsh. Guy was following the ball with his eyes. Seemingly had no idea where the defender was. And such a close call like that, you can't call that unless you know what you saw in a game like this.

 

[Christo]

Cleats first, chest-high is excessive force (he was also leaping). I think people are letting the bias of the announcers influence them here. It was a border-line call, but the red was always possible for that.

I don't think you know wtf you're talking about.

 

[guru_007]

Cleats first, chest-high is excessive force (he was also leaping). I think people are letting the bias of the announcers influence them here. It was a border-line call, but the red was always possible for that.You can tell the referee talked to his linesman so I'm guessing they might have deduced intent. I'm not sure it was required for the red though.

Ok, Piers.I was watching the game without volume, there was no bias in me that thought that straight red was a terrible call there. You want to show him the yellow, that's fine. It wasn't as if Nani had been playing out of control all game long.

 

[jonessed]

Cleats first, chest-high is excessive force (he was also leaping). I think people are letting the bias of the announcers influence them here. It was a border-line call, but the red was always possible for that.

I don't think you know wtf you're talking about.

 

[jonessed]

Cleats first, chest-high is excessive force (he was also leaping). I think people are letting the bias of the announcers influence them here. It was a border-line call, but the red was always possible for that.

You can tell the referee talked to his linesman so I'm guessing they might have deduced intent. I'm not sure it was required for the red though.

Ok, Piers.

I was watching the game without volume, there was no bias in me that thought that straight red was a terrible call there. You want to show him the yellow, that's fine. It wasn't as if Nani had been playing out of control all game long.

Aren't you a big United fan?

 

[Spartans Rule]

Assuming Arsenal does not pull off a small miracle in Munich, this will be the first CL quarter finals with out an English team since 1995-1996 when Blackburn was the loan English representative into the CL group stage.

And Germany will more than likely have 3 teams in the quarters. England could drop to 3rd in the coefficients pretty soon. Of course 3rd still comes with 4 spots, but it seems not that long ago that the Champions League was basically the FA Cup plus Barca.

 

[Christo]

Cleats first, chest-high is excessive force (he was also leaping). I think people are letting the bias of the announcers influence them here. It was a border-line call, but the red was always possible for that.

I don't think you know wtf you're talking about.

Now I know you don't.

 

[jonessed]

Assuming Arsenal does not pull off a small miracle in Munich, this will be the first CL quarter finals with out an English team since 1995-1996 when Blackburn was the loan English representative into the CL group stage.

And Germany will more than likely have 3 teams in the quarters. England could drop to 3rd in the coefficients pretty soon. Of course 3rd still comes with 4 spots, but it seems not that long ago that the Champions League was basically the FA Cup plus Barca.

It would take a few years of bad performances to do that. There is quite a history built into those coefficients.Edit: I'm thinking fourth. It's certainly possible they slip to third. There hasn't been much between Germany and England for a few years.

 

[Slapdash]

Rut - RohStuds were showing outDifference in that and a slide with cleats in same position?

B/c there is something to be said of intent. Not to mention, most slide tackles the guy is aware of the defender, Nani had no idea where the guy was. Here if Fifa's interpretation of fouls

“Careless” means that the player has shown a lack of attention orconsideration when making a challenge or that he acted without precaution.• No further disciplinary sanction is needed if a foul is judged to be careless“Reckless” means that the player has acted with complete disregard to thedanger to, or consequences for, his opponent.• A player who plays in a reckless manner must be cautioned“Using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the necessaryuse of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent.• A player who uses excessive force must be sent of

I'm not sure how you can call that "excessive force"

Cleats first, chest-high is excessive force (he was also leaping). I think people are letting the bias of the announcers influence them here. It was a border-line call, but the red was always possible for that.You can tell the referee talked to his linesman so I'm guessing they might have deduced intent. I'm not sure it was required for the red though.

Just caught a YouTube clip of the foul, not at all what I expected given the reaction.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I'll have to see the game, but I'm kind of old school. I hate straight reds. Hate them. I think they're generally appropriate in two instances (not counting last man back).

Clear elbows or forearms on air balls.

Clearly diving in with an insane tackle (evidenced by leaving both feet or showing studs over the ball). Showing studs trying to play a high ball is reckless, but it doesn't evince an attempt to injure an opponent (and in fact will almost never actually injure an opponent).

I'm all for protecting players and don't even mind being yellow card happy. Card em early and let the players adjust. But red cards change games irrevocably in an instant.

 

[Slapdash]

Assuming Arsenal does not pull off a small miracle in Munich, this will be the first CL quarter finals with out an English team since 1995-1996 when Blackburn was the loan English representative into the CL group stage.

And Germany will more than likely have 3 teams in the quarters. England could drop to 3rd in the coefficients pretty soon. Of course 3rd still comes with 4 spots, but it seems not that long ago that the Champions League was basically the FA Cup plus Barca.

They're already third in this year's coefficient.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I wonder if it's worse than the straight red on Zlatan at the end of the Valencia game. I thought that was absurd.

 

[Steve Tasker]

"Well, I sink that no ozer English team advance in Champions League, so ve are up vere with ze best!"*

I lol'd because I can hear his voice saying this.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

From the Special One:

Independent of the decision, the best team lost. We didn't deserve to win.

Jose must really enjoy Sir Alex's wine collection.

 

[The Gator]

[unimaginative ManU joke]We all thought it was curious to bench Rooney. Turns out benching Howard Webb was the bigger mistake.[/unimaginative ManU joke]

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I wonder if it's worse than the straight red on Zlatan at the end of the Valencia game. I thought that was absurd.

The straight red on Zlatan was much worse imo, but obviously much less relevant to the tie. The call today on Nani was harsh, but well into the grey area where a red is possible.

 

[The Gator]

Having not seen the play I can wholeheartedly say..

 

[sporthenry]

I wonder if it's worse than the straight red on Zlatan at the end of the Valencia game. I thought that was absurd.

The straight red on Zlatan was much worse imo, but obviously much less relevant to the tie. The call today on Nani was harsh, but well into the grey area where a red is possible.

I thought Zlatan's was worse. Cleats up on a shin is how you break a bone. That was much more reckless than Nani's in my opinion. If Arbeloa isn't there, Nani makes that play fine just like tons of people bring that ball down. Sure, that makes it a reckless challenge but that could have happened to anyone.

 

[The Gator]

IN THE AREA!!!!!!

Guy is killing some enjoyment.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Pretty sure I've told this story before, but when I was 13, I had a guy go studs up into my chest, and I got red carded.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I'm not a United fan. But that red card extremely harsh. That type of gift to RM and punishment to United is not in the spirit of the game. The ref made a very heavy handed call.

 

[Christo]

Pretty sure I've told this story before, but when I was 13, I had a guy go studs up into my chest, and I got red carded.

Was the ref Turkish?

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Pretty sure I've told this story before, but when I was 13, I had a guy go studs up into my chest, and I got red carded.

Was the ref Turkish?

Now that you mention it, there was a whiff of clove cigarettes on the field.

 

[Bonzai]