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CletiusMaximus
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
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I feel like I was just starting to fall in love with Evil Kagawa and now he's being snatched away from me.
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QuizGuy66
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I get that but it's a little hard to get excited about a collection of "We Are Staying Up Banners" - I'd rather they swing for the fences and I'm glad they did. Of course it's all academic now.
I realize there's the wolf of relegation to deal with but in an given year what's the best odds they'll have of staying up? 80% maybe. So for a year to play in Europe and have some fun we'll probably never have again I'd deal with those odds dropping down to say 60%. 5 years from now I'd be amazed (and thrilled) if they're still up.
Basically there's two leagues. The 7 teams that are essentially permanent. (Man City now being part of their number and Villa has dropped out of this group). Any of Man City, Arsensal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham, Everton, and even Man U dropping out in the next 20 years is pretty much unfathomable. Circumstances can change (such as Man City getting a zillionaire) but that sort of change is glacial at this rareified air.
The tenure of the other 13 will almost be in varying degrees of doubt - a stroke of lightning (or more realistically a comically rich dude) is the only path to the secure group above.
The tenure of the other 13:
Villa: 27th year (but teetering now)
Sunderland: 8th year
Stoke: 7th year
Newcastle and West Brom: 5th year
Swansea: 4th year
Southampton and West Ham: 3rd year
Hull City and Crystal Palace: 2nd year
Burnley, Leicester City, QPR: 1st year
So again I'm glad tried to get while the getting's good
-QG
Mjolnirs
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College football. 1984 Gamecocks were 10-0 ranked #2 at Navy who where something like 3-6-1. Carolina lost and then learned that #1 Nebraska had lost as well.
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ChelsTransferGossip @ChelsTransfer 36s
Fernando Torres has completed a move to AC Milan. (Mail) #CFC #ACMilan
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Fernando Torres has completed a move to AC Milan. (Mail) #CFC #ACMilan
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HAMMERS inquiring as to the availability of Alex Song.
The Gator
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Premier League winners will be top seeds in Champions League seeding revamp
"The top eight seeds in the competition would be the holders, plus the champions of the top-seven ranked UEFA nations"
Pot 1, Arsenal
"The top eight seeds in the competition would be the holders, plus the champions of the top-seven ranked UEFA nations"
Pot 1, Arsenal
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
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Man, today is kinda depressing. Chelsea is finally getting rid of Torres. Man U is getting rid of Cleverly.
Sad day.
Sad day.
CletiusMaximus
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Is it fair to seed City over Chelsea?Premier League winners will be top seeds in Champions League seeding revamp
"The top eight seeds in the competition would be the holders, plus the champions of the top-seven ranked UEFA nations"
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Milan's paying 10 million pounds? Wait, what? Did they just flip Balotelli for Torres and 5 mil?
CletiusMaximus
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The most likely explanation is FFP - Monaco has spent, wants to spend more, but desperately needs income to satisfy break-even rules. The French TV deal is a pittance, and Monaco earns very little commercial income. Another possible explanation is that Falcao's TPO benefactors are pulling strings. In any event, it is an extremely unique situation, difficult to explain under common football business circumstances.
The Gator
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YesIs it fair to seed City over Chelsea?Premier League winners will be top seeds in Champions League seeding revamp
"The top eight seeds in the competition would be the holders, plus the champions of the top-seven ranked UEFA nations"
I have no problem with the actual champions being in pot 1 in the Champions League.
CletiusMaximus
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It seems highly unlikely Milan is paying a transfer fee and assuming his contract. If so, I'd say it tops Luiz to PSG as biggest fleecing of the summer.
SmoovySmoov
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YesIs it fair to seed City over Chelsea?Premier League winners will be top seeds in Champions League seeding revamp
"The top eight seeds in the competition would be the holders, plus the champions of the top-seven ranked UEFA nations"
I have no problem with the actual champions being in pot 1 in the Champions League.
Very fair, Nancy.
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I think the CL seeding would ideally be done based on a team's current strength and seeded the way the NCAA Basketball tourney does it. Chelsea's "European resume" shouldn't come into play as much as how good their team actually is, tbh I think they should both be Pot 1 teams this year.Is it fair to seed City over Chelsea?Premier League winners will be top seeds in Champions League seeding revamp
"The top eight seeds in the competition would be the holders, plus the champions of the top-seven ranked UEFA nations"
This seems like a bit of an improvement, but Barcelona or Real Madrid is likely to be a Pot 2 team next year.
CletiusMaximus
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I think I agree, but love that graphic.YesIs it fair to seed City over Chelsea?Premier League winners will be top seeds in Champions League seeding revamp
"The top eight seeds in the competition would be the holders, plus the champions of the top-seven ranked UEFA nations"
I have no problem with the actual champions being in pot 1 in the Champions League.
CletiusMaximus
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One proposal that also makes sense is to seed the champions from the top 3 leagues + holders, and fill out the remainder of pot 1 by uefa coefficient. This eliminates having the Russian and Portuguese champ seeded over the EPL and Liga runner up.I think the CL seeding would ideally be done based on a team's current strength and seeded the way the NCAA Basketball tourney does it. Chelsea's "European resume" shouldn't come into play as much as how good their team actually is, tbh I think they should both be Pot 1 teams this year.Is it fair to seed City over Chelsea?Premier League winners will be top seeds in Champions League seeding revamp
"The top eight seeds in the competition would be the holders, plus the champions of the top-seven ranked UEFA nations"
This seems like a bit of an improvement, but Barcelona or Real Madrid is likely to be a Pot 2 team next year.
jonessed
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A TWO year loan.
Very rarely do I use the dancing pickle but this is truly a reson to boogie.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
And who's covering the wages?A TWO year loan.
Very rarely do I use the dancing pickle but this is truly a reson to boogie.
AAABatteries
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Impressive but something doesn't seem right - don't you have at most 4 knockout rounds which would leave a max of 12 for those 3 years? That list is 12 teams which means Chelsea would be the 3 time winners. I know I'm missing something but what?I think I agree, but love that graphic.YesIs it fair to seed City over Chelsea?Premier League winners will be top seeds in Champions League seeding revamp
"The top eight seeds in the competition would be the holders, plus the champions of the top-seven ranked UEFA nations"
I have no problem with the actual champions being in pot 1 in the Champions League.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I guess knockout round includes group stage. Now that I look at the list it must be that. Carry on.
AAABatteries
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Wait, that can't be right either because Arsenal have won group stage games and advanced. Now I'm 
CletiusMaximus
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If its a loan, then Chelsea is responsible for his wages, less anything Milan agree to pay, assuming he's not agreed to a paycut.And who's covering the wages?A TWO year loan.
Very rarely do I use the dancing pickle but this is truly a reson to boogie.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Its all Euro competitions, including Europa league.Impressive but something doesn't seem right - don't you have at most 4 knockout rounds which would leave a max of 12 for those 3 years? That list is 12 teams which means Chelsea would be the 3 time winners. I know I'm missing something but what?I think I agree, but love that graphic.YesIs it fair to seed City over Chelsea?Premier League winners will be top seeds in Champions League seeding revamp
"The top eight seeds in the competition would be the holders, plus the champions of the top-seven ranked UEFA nations"
I have no problem with the actual champions being in pot 1 in the Champions League.
The Gator
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And it's only a two year span when they had their best two runs....Its all Euro competitions, including Europa league.Impressive but something doesn't seem right - don't you have at most 4 knockout rounds which would leave a max of 12 for those 3 years? That list is 12 teams which means Chelsea would be the 3 time winners. I know I'm missing something but what?I think I agree, but love that graphic.YesI have no problem with the actual champions being in pot 1 in the Champions League.Is it fair to seed City over Chelsea?Premier League winners will be top seeds in Champions League seeding revamp
"The top eight seeds in the competition would be the holders, plus the champions of the top-seven ranked UEFA nations"
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
Well, at least there's that.If its a loan, then Chelsea is responsible for his wages, less anything Milan agree to pay, assuming he's not agreed to a paycut.And who's covering the wages?A TWO year loan.
Very rarely do I use the dancing pickle but this is truly a reson to boogie.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I completely forgot your guys were in Europa recently. I take it back - not impressive.Its all Euro competitions, including Europa league.Impressive but something doesn't seem right - don't you have at most 4 knockout rounds which would leave a max of 12 for those 3 years? That list is 12 teams which means Chelsea would be the 3 time winners. I know I'm missing something but what?I think I agree, but love that graphic.YesIs it fair to seed City over Chelsea?Premier League winners will be top seeds in Champions League seeding revamp
"The top eight seeds in the competition would be the holders, plus the champions of the top-seven ranked UEFA nations"
I have no problem with the actual champions being in pot 1 in the Champions League.
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CletiusMaximus
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Still lots of unknown on the finances, but Chelsea fans don't care about that off the field stuff.Well, at least there's that.If its a loan, then Chelsea is responsible for his wages, less anything Milan agree to pay, assuming he's not agreed to a paycut.And who's covering the wages?A TWO year loan.
Very rarely do I use the dancing pickle but this is truly a reson to boogie.
CletiusMaximus
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I thought it'd be obvious, with Spurs on the list ...I completely forgot your guys were in Europa recently. I take it back - not impressive.Its all Euro competitions, including Europa league.Impressive but something doesn't seem right - don't you have at most 4 knockout rounds which would leave a max of 12 for those 3 years? That list is 12 teams which means Chelsea would be the 3 time winners. I know I'm missing something but what?I think I agree, but love that graphic.YesIs it fair to seed City over Chelsea?Premier League winners will be top seeds in Champions League seeding revamp
"The top eight seeds in the competition would be the holders, plus the champions of the top-seven ranked UEFA nations"
I have no problem with the actual champions being in pot 1 in the Champions League.
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Costa apparently might play tomorrow. 
<_<I thought it'd be obvious, with Spurs on the list ...I completely forgot your guys were in Europa recently. I take it back - not impressive.Its all Euro competitions, including Europa league.Impressive but something doesn't seem right - don't you have at most 4 knockout rounds which would leave a max of 12 for those 3 years? That list is 12 teams which means Chelsea would be the 3 time winners. I know I'm missing something but what?I think I agree, but love that graphic.YesIs it fair to seed City over Chelsea?Premier League winners will be top seeds in Champions League seeding revamp
"The top eight seeds in the competition would be the holders, plus the champions of the top-seven ranked UEFA nations"
I have no problem with the actual champions being in pot 1 in the Champions League.
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