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Rooney gets the dreaded three match ban, missing the entire group phase of the Euros. What a blow to England. Granted, it was totally deserved, but I think a lot of English supporters had convinced themselves that he would avoid it somehow.

I really dislike Rooney. He's an arrogant ### and dumb as a brick so from a personal perspective it really couldn't happen to a nicer guy. I feel bad for England though. The guy is an amazing driving force on the field. He and Messi are probably the most complete forwards/strikers in football. He's good at defense, he can come back for the ball, he can create, he can score, he can support, and he can do it all in the same game without ever seeming to wear down. Just a tremendous workhorse which is something that isn't that common for players with his kind of offensive talent.

 
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Wahl piece breaking down all the players in the bidding process and the affect the decision could have in the next decade for the sport here on tv. I honestly think any of the three will do a great job with the World Cup. I have no idea which of the three would be best fir MLS going forward.

Next Wednesday is one of the most important days of the next decade for soccer in the United States. That's when bids are due in Zürich, Switzerland, for the U.S. broadcast rights for World Cups '18 and '22. ESPN, NBC and Fox are expected to bid for the English-language rights, while Univisión and NBC-owned Telemundo are expected to be in competition for the Spanish-language rights. After the bids are submitted on Wednesday -- there will be no formal presentations, as there were for the Olympic rights bids earlier this year -- the FIFA executive committee will meet on Thursday and could reach a decision on the winners as soon as that day.Why do the World Cup rights bids matter so much for soccer here? The winners will be committed to helping build the audience for the sport through 2022, which is no small thing. ESPN, which paid $100 million for the English-language rights for World Cups '10 and '14, made the 2010 World Cup one of the company's top priorities last year. It promoted the event heavily, received positive reviews for its coverage and reaped the rewards: The U.S.-Ghana second round game, for example, drew a total U.S. audience of 19.4 million, more than all but two games of the '09 World Series and all but Game 7 of the '10 NBA Finals. Audiences should be even bigger for World Cup 2014 in Brazil, not least because many of the games will be taking place during prime time on U.S. television.Who are the favorites to win next week? The incumbents, according to several insiders I spoke to. ESPN is bullish on soccer these days, in large part because decision-maker John Skipper (its executive vice president for content) is a soccer fan who's convinced there's money to be made in big-event fútbol broadcasts. ESPN will once again broadcast every game of next summer's Euro 2012 live, just as it did for last summer's Women's World Cup, and the men's World Cup in '10 and '14 is one of the company's cornerstone properties. The same can be said for Univisión, which paid $325 million for the Spanish-language rights to World Cups '10 and '14 and is the favorite next week to keep them for the next two tournaments.For a country that supposedly cares little about soccer, the U.S. now views the World Cup as a legitimate, big-time sporting event. The combined $425 million U.S. rights fee for World Cups '10 and '14 was the highest of any country in the world, and insiders expect a substantial increase next week for '18 and '22. (Given the value of the U.S. TV bid, you'd think the U.S. might carry more weight in FIFA than it does, but that's a topic for another column.) The Spanish-language rights fee may not increase much over $325 million, but the English-language fee will likely rise significantly and approach if not exceed the Spanish-language number. (For what it's worth, I'm told that if the U.S. had won the right to host World Cup '22 instead of Qatar, next week's U.S. rights fees would have been worth at least $100 million more.)Of course, it's possible that there could be a surprise next week. One source told SI.com that Fox (which owns the only 24-7 soccer channel in America, Fox Soccer) is serious about trying to snatch the English-language rights from ESPN, just as it did with the UEFA Champions League rights two years ago. Fox has recently begun experimenting with showing select Premier League games on the main Fox network and has shown the last two Champions League finals live on its flagship channel.The wild card in the bidding process is NBC, which is expected to submit the only combined English- and Spanish-language bid for NBC and subsidiary Telemundo. NBC Sports increased its stake in soccer in August by outbidding Fox Soccer to spend a reported $30 million on a second-tier package to broadcast 45 MLS games and four U.S. national team games a year through the end of 2014. (ESPN's eight-year, $64 million deal for MLS and U.S. games also continues through the end of '14.) Most of the NBC Sports games will be shown on Versus, which is being rebranded as the NBC Sports Channel in January.One factor that could play a role in next week's bidding process is a broadcaster's interest to covering soccer on a regular basis in the United States; in other words, showing a commitment not just to the World Cup every four years but also to televising Major League Soccer and the U.S. national teams. In a now-famous story, NBC Sports honcho **** Ebersol had a handshake deal with FIFA president Sepp Blatter in 2005 for NBC and Telemundo to win the rights for '10 and '14 for $350 million. NBC had little interest at the time in broadcasting MLS and U.S. Soccer, however, and Chuck Blazer (the U.S. member on the FIFA ExCo) convinced FIFA to open up the bid process. ESPN and Univisión cooperated on a higher $425 million bid that included ESPN's promise to broadcast MLS and U.S. games as well. (Ebersol was said to be furious with FIFA for reneging on a deal; he's no longer in the same capacity with NBC and will not be in Zürich next week.)Times have changed somewhat, however. NBC can now say that it's committed to MLS and U.S. games, at least through 2014, while Fox does not have any such deal for the next three years. And while ESPN's contract with MLS/U.S. Soccer also runs through 2014, I'm told that part of ESPN's bid to FIFA next week will include a stipulation that it will remain committed to MLS and U.S. games through 2022.If you're someone who wants to see soccer grow in America on a regular basis, that commitment is a big deal indeed. While MLS is on more solid footing than it was 10 years ago and is here to stay, its TV ratings have hardly been blockbuster, and receiving benefits from its association with U.S. Soccer and the World Cup rights may well continue to be important. Several industry insiders I've spoken to wonder how much MLS would actually fetch in its TV rights deals if it had to go on its own and wasn't packaged with U.S. national team games, which draw more interest. In any case, with MLS and U.S. Soccer's TV deals now all expiring at the end of 2014, it will be interesting to see how much its next deals sell for -- and whether they will exceed the $10 million a year NBC is reportedly now paying.In the end, of course, there's more interest from more broadcasters in soccer television here, and that's a good thing for the sport and for U.S. fans. It wasn't long ago that MLS owners (through Soccer United Marketing) were buying the English-language World Cup rights and renting time on ESPN. Those days are over, and soccer on the tube is on a distinctly upward trend.
 
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Rooney gets the dreaded three match ban, missing the entire group phase of the Euros. What a blow to England. Granted, it was totally deserved, but I think a lot of English supporters had convinced themselves that he would avoid it somehow.I really dislike Rooney. He's an arrogant ### and dumb as a brick so from a personal perspective it really couldn't happen to a nicer guy. I feel bad for England though. The guy is an amazing driving force on the field. He and Messi are probably the most complete forwards/strikers in football. He's good at defense, he can come back for the ball, he can create, he can score, he can support, and he can do it all in the same game without ever seeming to wear down. Just a tremendous workhorse which is something that isn't that common for players with his kind of offensive talent.
I think the FA has to burn a roster spot on Rooney if he's fit next summer. Leaving him off would be viewed by many as a tacit admission that England can't reach the knockout rounds. Rooney is the best player in the country and still in the prime of his career. It's probably better to go into the tournament with a shorter bench than to pizz off Rooney for the long-term. Capello is a lame duck anyway; it would be funny if he doesn't include Rooney but I doubt that will happen.
 
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Wow, this came much earlier than I expected. Very excited to see who wins this.

U.S. networks set to battle for World Cup rights

PUBLISHED Wednesday, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:40 pm EDT

LAST UPDATED 17 hours and 32 minutes ago

John Ourand

Sporting News Text size

ESPN, Fox and NBC executives all will travel to Zurich next week to submit bids for the 2018 and '22 FIFA Men’s World Cup events.

Bids will be submitted Oct. 19. FIFA also will accept bids for Spanish-language rights at the same time, with Univision and Telemundo expected to make aggressive bids. It's not known if ESPN Deportes and Fox Deportes will create separate bids or be part of their parent companies' bid.

ESPN in 2005 paid $100 million for a package that included rights to the 2010 and 2014 World Cup events. Univision paid $325 million for the Spanish-language rights to those events. Given the growing popularity of soccer in the U.S.—plus the skyrocketing cost of live sports—any new bid should see a healthy increase.

Once bids are submitted next Wednesday, FIFA is expected to decide whether to accept one of the bids later next week. FIFA could either accept one of the bids or go back to the networks if the bids are too close.

ESPN, which has carried World Cup games in some fashion since 1982, will be represented in Zurich by executive vice president/content John Skipper and senior vice president/programming Scott Guglielmino. Fox Sports is sending a small group led by Fox Soccer executive vice president/general manager David Nathanson. NBC will send a delegation, but it's not known who will be in it.

Bidding will cover all FIFA events from 2015 through '22, including the Men's World Cup in 2018 and 2022; the Women's World Cup in 2015 and 2019; and all Under-20 and Under-17 games.

The competition for soccer rights has become intense among U.S. media companies over the past year.

In August, NBC picked up a package of 45 MLS games and four U.S. men's national team games for $10 million per year. That package previously had been on Fox Soccer. ESPN has the main MLS package and has carried every World Cup but one since 1982. Turner Sports was the primary broadcaster of the 1990 World Cup.
Was that the onr where they'd cut to commercials? I remember somebody missing at least one goal during a commercial break. We've come a LONG ways.
Yes, in 1990, TNT still had commercials. 1994 was the first WC shown commercial free and luckily they figured out the numbers correctly because the sport has been virtually tv commercial free since then in the US.
It is going to help big time when soccer switches to 3 periods instead of two halves for the Qatar games. More breaks=More commercials.

I also expect to see picture I'm picture spots at some point.
dear god no...
 
'Sebowski said:
Wow, this came much earlier than I expected. Very excited to see who wins this.

U.S. networks set to battle for World Cup rights

PUBLISHED Wednesday, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:40 pm EDT

LAST UPDATED 17 hours and 32 minutes ago

John Ourand

Sporting News Text size

ESPN, Fox and NBC executives all will travel to Zurich next week to submit bids for the 2018 and '22 FIFA Men’s World Cup events.

Bids will be submitted Oct. 19. FIFA also will accept bids for Spanish-language rights at the same time, with Univision and Telemundo expected to make aggressive bids. It's not known if ESPN Deportes and Fox Deportes will create separate bids or be part of their parent companies' bid.

ESPN in 2005 paid $100 million for a package that included rights to the 2010 and 2014 World Cup events. Univision paid $325 million for the Spanish-language rights to those events. Given the growing popularity of soccer in the U.S.—plus the skyrocketing cost of live sports—any new bid should see a healthy increase.

Once bids are submitted next Wednesday, FIFA is expected to decide whether to accept one of the bids later next week. FIFA could either accept one of the bids or go back to the networks if the bids are too close.

ESPN, which has carried World Cup games in some fashion since 1982, will be represented in Zurich by executive vice president/content John Skipper and senior vice president/programming Scott Guglielmino. Fox Sports is sending a small group led by Fox Soccer executive vice president/general manager David Nathanson. NBC will send a delegation, but it's not known who will be in it.

Bidding will cover all FIFA events from 2015 through '22, including the Men's World Cup in 2018 and 2022; the Women's World Cup in 2015 and 2019; and all Under-20 and Under-17 games.

The competition for soccer rights has become intense among U.S. media companies over the past year.

In August, NBC picked up a package of 45 MLS games and four U.S. men's national team games for $10 million per year. That package previously had been on Fox Soccer. ESPN has the main MLS package and has carried every World Cup but one since 1982. Turner Sports was the primary broadcaster of the 1990 World Cup.
Was that the onr where they'd cut to commercials? I remember somebody missing at least one goal during a commercial break. We've come a LONG ways.
Yes, in 1990, TNT still had commercials. 1994 was the first WC shown commercial free and luckily they figured out the numbers correctly because the sport has been virtually tv commercial free since then in the US.
It is going to help big time when soccer switches to 3 periods instead of two halves for the Qatar games. More breaks=More commercials.

I also expect to see picture I'm picture spots at some point.
dear god no...
Reminds me about the old joke about the prostitute with the punchline "We've established what you are; now we're just haggling over the price"
 
I know he is going to be signed either in Jan or next summer but god do I hope it is to a team he can actually play for and not one of the giants. http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/10/10/man-united-prepare-10m-january-bid-for-mls-star-brek-shea-old-trafford-boss-keen-on-fc-dallas-youngster/

Manchester United are reportedly interested in signing young American international Brek Shea after a prolonged period of monitoring the FC Dallas attacker. Sir Alex Ferguson has been scouting the powerfully built forward and the reports filed on the 21 year old have lead to the Old Trafford boss being ready to make an offer for his services.The MLS season comes to an end in late November and the Premier League champions are eager to then enter into talks with the player and his club over a possible £10m deal to sign the youngster who has had a stand out season this term, notching ten goals and a number of assists for FC Dallas.Shea is now a regular in Jurgen Klinsmann’s US national team set-up and is thought to be a player with a great deal of potential. It is thought Man United would offer the player back on loan to his MLS side for the opening period of the 2012 season ahead of a formal transfer to Old Trafford.A number of European sides are said to be interest in Shea with Chelsea and Juventus also tracking the 6ft 3in adaptable attacker who can play either as an orthodox striker or out on the wing.Ferguson has been linked with a move for Brek Shea in the past but now that he has developed into a more effective player and has a grounding of experience under his belt it appears the Scot is ready to make an offer.
Pretty ridiculous that ManU could sign a guy like this for depth. I agree with you, I'd rather see him play for a mid-table team than ManU Carling Cup games.
 
I know he is going to be signed either in Jan or next summer but god do I hope it is to a team he can actually play for and not one of the giants. http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/10/10/man-united-prepare-10m-january-bid-for-mls-star-brek-shea-old-trafford-boss-keen-on-fc-dallas-youngster/

Manchester United are reportedly interested in signing young American international Brek Shea after a prolonged period of monitoring the FC Dallas attacker. Sir Alex Ferguson has been scouting the powerfully built forward and the reports filed on the 21 year old have lead to the Old Trafford boss being ready to make an offer for his services.The MLS season comes to an end in late November and the Premier League champions are eager to then enter into talks with the player and his club over a possible £10m deal to sign the youngster who has had a stand out season this term, notching ten goals and a number of assists for FC Dallas.Shea is now a regular in Jurgen Klinsmann’s US national team set-up and is thought to be a player with a great deal of potential. It is thought Man United would offer the player back on loan to his MLS side for the opening period of the 2012 season ahead of a formal transfer to Old Trafford.A number of European sides are said to be interest in Shea with Chelsea and Juventus also tracking the 6ft 3in adaptable attacker who can play either as an orthodox striker or out on the wing.Ferguson has been linked with a move for Brek Shea in the past but now that he has developed into a more effective player and has a grounding of experience under his belt it appears the Scot is ready to make an offer.
Pretty ridiculous that ManU could sign a guy like this for depth. I agree with you, I'd rather see him play for a mid-table team than ManU Carling Cup games.
:goodposting: I'd rather see him playing regularly in the Championship than reserve games for United. Good call with the Carling Cup games...
 
Saturday marks Kasey Keller's last regular season home game of his career.

FSC is showing the game at 10:30pm eastern.

With already 60k+ tickets sold it has a chance to be the 3rd highest non double header crowd ever for an MLS regular season game.

 
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I know he is going to be signed either in Jan or next summer but god do I hope it is to a team he can actually play for and not one of the giants. http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/10/10/man-united-prepare-10m-january-bid-for-mls-star-brek-shea-old-trafford-boss-keen-on-fc-dallas-youngster/

Manchester United are reportedly interested in signing young American international Brek Shea after a prolonged period of monitoring the FC Dallas attacker. Sir Alex Ferguson has been scouting the powerfully built forward and the reports filed on the 21 year old have lead to the Old Trafford boss being ready to make an offer for his services.The MLS season comes to an end in late November and the Premier League champions are eager to then enter into talks with the player and his club over a possible £10m deal to sign the youngster who has had a stand out season this term, notching ten goals and a number of assists for FC Dallas.Shea is now a regular in Jurgen Klinsmann’s US national team set-up and is thought to be a player with a great deal of potential. It is thought Man United would offer the player back on loan to his MLS side for the opening period of the 2012 season ahead of a formal transfer to Old Trafford.A number of European sides are said to be interest in Shea with Chelsea and Juventus also tracking the 6ft 3in adaptable attacker who can play either as an orthodox striker or out on the wing.Ferguson has been linked with a move for Brek Shea in the past but now that he has developed into a more effective player and has a grounding of experience under his belt it appears the Scot is ready to make an offer.
Pretty ridiculous that ManU could sign a guy like this for depth. I agree with you, I'd rather see him play for a mid-table team than ManU Carling Cup games.
:goodposting: I'd rather see him playing regularly in the Championship than reserve games for United. Good call with the Carling Cup games...
Like I said, he'd get loaned out faster than you can blink. He won't suit up for ManU for at least 2 years.
 
I know he is going to be signed either in Jan or next summer but god do I hope it is to a team he can actually play for and not one of the giants. http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/10/10/man-united-prepare-10m-january-bid-for-mls-star-brek-shea-old-trafford-boss-keen-on-fc-dallas-youngster/

Manchester United are reportedly interested in signing young American international Brek Shea after a prolonged period of monitoring the FC Dallas attacker. Sir Alex Ferguson has been scouting the powerfully built forward and the reports filed on the 21 year old have lead to the Old Trafford boss being ready to make an offer for his services.The MLS season comes to an end in late November and the Premier League champions are eager to then enter into talks with the player and his club over a possible £10m deal to sign the youngster who has had a stand out season this term, notching ten goals and a number of assists for FC Dallas.Shea is now a regular in Jurgen Klinsmann’s US national team set-up and is thought to be a player with a great deal of potential. It is thought Man United would offer the player back on loan to his MLS side for the opening period of the 2012 season ahead of a formal transfer to Old Trafford.A number of European sides are said to be interest in Shea with Chelsea and Juventus also tracking the 6ft 3in adaptable attacker who can play either as an orthodox striker or out on the wing.Ferguson has been linked with a move for Brek Shea in the past but now that he has developed into a more effective player and has a grounding of experience under his belt it appears the Scot is ready to make an offer.
Pretty ridiculous that ManU could sign a guy like this for depth. I agree with you, I'd rather see him play for a mid-table team than ManU Carling Cup games.
:goodposting: I'd rather see him playing regularly in the Championship than reserve games for United. Good call with the Carling Cup games...
Like I said, he'd get loaned out faster than you can blink. He won't suit up for ManU for at least 2 years.
Don't care. #### ManU. Here's hoping he can pull a Dempsey.
 
France will host US on November 11th. First time US will play France since 1979.

Espn2 and Univision will broadcast game live at 3:00pm eastern

US is close to announcing a second friendly played 4 days later in Europe

US would need to win both of these to avoid it's first losing season since 1997 per Brian Straus.

 
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France will host US on November 11th. First time US will play France since 1979.Espn2 and Univision will broadcast game live at 3:00pm easternUS is close to announcing a second friendly played 4 days later in Europe US would need to win both of these to avoid it's first losing season since 1997 per Brian Straus.
Well, they have been scheduling tougher opponents this year than most others. Nonetheless, the scorelines haven't been great.
 
France will host US on November 11th. First time US will play France since 1979.Espn2 and Univision will broadcast game live at 3:00pm easternUS is close to announcing a second friendly played 4 days later in Europe US would need to win both of these to avoid it's first losing season since 1997 per Brian Straus.
Well, they have been scheduling tougher opponents this year than most others. Nonetheless, the scorelines haven't been great.
Fair point. The US has not won a game all year against a non CONCACAF opponent. Wins: Canada, Guadaloupe, Panama, Honduras, JamaicaDraws: Chile, Argentina, MexicoLosses: Paraguay, Spain, Panama, Mexico, Costa Rica, Belgium, Ecuador
 
France will host US on November 11th. First time US will play France since 1979.Espn2 and Univision will broadcast game live at 3:00pm easternUS is close to announcing a second friendly played 4 days later in Europe US would need to win both of these to avoid it's first losing season since 1997 per Brian Straus.
Well, they have been scheduling tougher opponents this year than most others. Nonetheless, the scorelines haven't been great.
Fair point. The US has not won a game all year against a non CONCACAF opponent. Wins: Canada, Guadaloupe, Panama, Honduras, JamaicaDraws: Chile, Argentina, MexicoLosses: Paraguay, Spain, Panama, Mexico, Costa Rica, Belgium, Ecuador
The wins are pretty :mellow:The draws are decent.The losses are pretty bad- outside of Spain (although that loss was particularly ugly).
 
France will host US on November 11th. First time US will play France since 1979.Espn2 and Univision will broadcast game live at 3:00pm easternUS is close to announcing a second friendly played 4 days later in Europe US would need to win both of these to avoid it's first losing season since 1997 per Brian Straus.
Well, they have been scheduling tougher opponents this year than most others. Nonetheless, the scorelines haven't been great.
Fair point. The US has not won a game all year against a non CONCACAF opponent. Wins: Canada, Guadaloupe, Panama, Honduras, JamaicaDraws: Chile, Argentina, MexicoLosses: Paraguay, Spain, Panama, Mexico, Costa Rica, Belgium, Ecuador
The wins are pretty :mellow:
Especially when we know Honduras was hardly at full strength. And even then they still gave us a game.
 
Did anyone catch the first half of the United / Liverpool game? I forgot and am only catching the second half now. So far 0-0. How do the teams look?

 
I'm pretty shocked SAF had the balls to start such a weakened side against Liverpool at home. Nani, Rooney, and Hernandez all on the bench? What exactly is he trying to prove?

 
I'm pretty shocked SAF had the balls to start such a weakened side against Liverpool at home. Nani, Rooney, and Hernandez all on the bench? What exactly is he trying to prove?
I think he was trying to scrape a 0-0 draw at Anfield and give those guys a rest due to their international commitments. It worked too BTW, but it required putting those guys on the field in order to get some attacking space. Rooney's position today was really interesting to me. He was playing as a true number 10 in attack, but wpuld track back very deep to defend inside his own box. His motor is incredible, especially when he's only asked to play 30 mins.And that was a shocking mistake by Giggs. Inexcusable to put a hole in the wall like that.
 
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I'm not going to defend SAF's decision here. I'm sure he will say that all three of those players had international action midweek, and they have a big CL match mid-week and ManCity on deck next weekend.

I've been saying for years, this is SAF's mo. He plays for a conservative draw in big games on the road, and will go for full points at home. You can't argue with his past success, but I think this was a poor lineup decision. Liverpool is not a side to be trifled with, and I think this may have even been a bit of gamesmanship on his end putting out a less than optimal lineup @ Anfield....but that is for the writers and the fans to fight about. Unless Hernandez or Nani were dinged up, either or both of those players have to be in the lineup when you're throwing a midfield containing Fletcher and Jones, too very defensive, holding players. And if you don't start these guys, you need to sub one in at the half, imho. But he waits, waits, and waits until they get behind.

Road points are tough to get, and United won it last year despite big struggles on the road, but this is not a very old Unite side, I think SAF should loosen up the reigns a bit from time to time. Resting Giggs and Park and Rio for big games, okay. But these 19-25 year old guys should not be bothered by playing 2 games in a week ffs.

Anyway, first half was a snoozer, second half was a lot better. Liverpool underwhelmed me in the first half when I thought they had the superior talent out there, but came on in the second half and played much better. Draw was probably the best "deserved" result, but I have to think fans of both clubs are going to be disappointed - Reds for being a bunch of diving #####es, I mean, for blowing a one goal lead at home, and United fans for their manager's decision to play an ultra-conservative lineup.

It's nice to have club action back either way. International breaks bore me to tears.

 
### #### it

great game by Duh Gea, save two winners there at the end. Really wanted Carroll to come on for Adam and move Suarez into that deep lying striker role where he can cause so many problems. Henderson looks much more comfortable playing up higher instead of a true central midfield role. Bore first half with the way Liverpool played their 4-5-1 so deep.

ETA: Oh, and Martin Kelly is awesome. RIP Glenn Johnson

 
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Somewhere the wind just blew, and Suarez went down.
I cringe at some of the dives he takes...don't like that part of his game. I think with him and the way plays, he is always drawing contact, he just embellishes a little. The worst one fo the game was Downing's dive when Evra pulled his foot back at the last second :lmao:
 
After tonight, the Seattle Sounders will finish with an average of 38.5k fans per game.

To put that in perspective, using the most recent completed seasons, only 5 MLB teams, 1 French League 1 team, 4 La Liga teams, 3 Serie A teams and 7 EPL teams averaged more fans.

Only in the Bundesliga would Seattle not be one of the top drawing teams, where 11 teams outdrew it last year.

Pretty impressive what they continue to build up there. Very very impressive.

I just wish they could play on real grass so that the Nats would get a chance to play in front of fans like that for big games. Shame that our two best supported cities in Portland and Seattle both have field turf to play on.

 
I thought Evra looked unusually mad- and with such a directed anger- at Suarez. Figured it was from an uncaught dirty little hack on him by Suarez... but if true, this is ugly...

Associated PressLONDON -- The English Football Association has launched an investigation into allegations from Manchester United's Patrice Evra that he was racially abused by Liverpool striker Luis Suarez during Saturday's Premier League match.Evra, a black French defender, was quoted as telling French TV station Canal Plus: "There are cameras, you can see him (Suarez) say a certain word to me at least 10 times."English football's governing body said in a statement: "Referee Andre Marriner was made aware of an allegation at the end of the fixture and has subsequently reported this to The FA. The FA will now begin making inquiries into the matter."Liverpool told The Associated Press: "The player categorically denies the allegations."United did not immediately respond to a request for comment.Javier Hernandez salvaged a 1-1 draw for United after Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard scored on a free kick.
 
With only two games left in the close to a disaster season for NY, Henry picked up a straight red 28 minutes into the game, not only dooming his team tonight to a 2-0 lead but now has to sit out the last game of the season.

He seems too smart a player for this to have been deliberate but for the life of me I can't figure out what he was doing. Here is the vid, what do you guys think?

http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/15/red-card-for-henry-disaster-for-red-bulls/

NY still controls its own destiny to sneak in the playoffs with one game to go.

 
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I thought Evra looked unusually mad- and with such a directed anger- at Suarez. Figured it was from an uncaught dirty little hack on him by Suarez... but if true, this is ugly...

Associated PressLONDON -- The English Football Association has launched an investigation into allegations from Manchester United's Patrice Evra that he was racially abused by Liverpool striker Luis Suarez during Saturday's Premier League match.Evra, a black French defender, was quoted as telling French TV station Canal Plus: "There are cameras, you can see him (Suarez) say a certain word to me at least 10 times."English football's governing body said in a statement: "Referee Andre Marriner was made aware of an allegation at the end of the fixture and has subsequently reported this to The FA. The FA will now begin making inquiries into the matter."Liverpool told The Associated Press: "The player categorically denies the allegations."United did not immediately respond to a request for comment.Javier Hernandez salvaged a 1-1 draw for United after Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard scored on a free kick.
That would end up being a massive ban. He does crap like this though. I think he was serving a ban in Holland for biting some guy when he moved to Liverpool.
 
Almost every time Seattle gets a chance to form bonds with their fans they just nail it.

Tonight in front of the 3rd largest stand alone crowd in the history of the league (64,140), Seattle comes from behind and wins 2-1 with 2 goals in the last ten minutes to give Keller a nice last home regular home game.

As for Keller, he has this wonderful memory from this game with this fun sequence of saves

http://www.mlssoccer.com/videos?catid=114&id=20094

 
With only two games left in the close to a disaster season for NY, Henry picked up a straight red 28 minutes into the game, not only dooming his team tonight to a 2-0 lead but now has to sit out the last game of the season. He seems too smart a player for this to have been deliberate but for the life of me I can't figure out what he was doing. Here is the vid, what do you guys think?http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/15/red-card-for-henry-disaster-for-red-bulls/NY still controls its own destiny to sneak in the playoffs with one game to go.
Looks like he deliberately put his knee into the dude's back :thumbdown:
 
Serie A soccer. It's faaaantastic! :lmao:http://soccernet.espn.go.com/scores/_/league/ita.1/italian-serie-a?cc=5901
:goodposting:Made an assload this morning :thumbup:I'm sure I made a post in the soccer betting thread about blind betting the unders and making money. I generally do this small every weekend and do some 3-4 team parlays just for the #### of it. Got home from church and my account was flush with cash. Did pick Juve to win which ####ed up a few parlays, but not gonna complain too much
 
I thought Evra looked unusually mad- and with such a directed anger- at Suarez. Figured it was from an uncaught dirty little hack on him by Suarez... but if true, this is ugly...

Associated PressLONDON -- The English Football Association has launched an investigation into allegations from Manchester United's Patrice Evra that he was racially abused by Liverpool striker Luis Suarez during Saturday's Premier League match.Evra, a black French defender, was quoted as telling French TV station Canal Plus: "There are cameras, you can see him (Suarez) say a certain word to me at least 10 times."English football's governing body said in a statement: "Referee Andre Marriner was made aware of an allegation at the end of the fixture and has subsequently reported this to The FA. The FA will now begin making inquiries into the matter."Liverpool told The Associated Press: "The player categorically denies the allegations."United did not immediately respond to a request for comment.Javier Hernandez salvaged a 1-1 draw for United after Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard scored on a free kick.
That would end up being a massive ban. He does crap like this though. I think he was serving a ban in Holland for biting some guy when he moved to Liverpool.
I'm obviously biased, and will admit that I'm wrong if proven to be true, but:A) Isn't this like the 5th or 6th time Evra has claimed racial abuse from opposing players? Have any of them ever been found to be true? (I'm asking here because I'm not sure.)B) Evra speaks what? French and English? I've only heard Suarez speak Spanish. Maybe he has learned English, but I've never heard him speak it, and I know he doesn't know French.I'd be real surprised if this was anything other than Evra showing just why he is a dooshnozzle.
 
Suarez was suspend for biting a dudes EAR, ffs. You don't think he's a little #####? He flails and falls if someone looks at him funny. Guy is talented, but is a huge #####.

 
With only two games left in the close to a disaster season for NY, Henry picked up a straight red 28 minutes into the game, not only dooming his team tonight to a 2-0 lead but now has to sit out the last game of the season. He seems too smart a player for this to have been deliberate but for the life of me I can't figure out what he was doing. Here is the vid, what do you guys think?http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/15/red-card-for-henry-disaster-for-red-bulls/NY still controls its own destiny to sneak in the playoffs with one game to go.
Looks like he deliberately put his knee into the dude's back :thumbdown:
That's what I thought too. Seems so moronic for an experienced player.
 
Evra is pretty well respected in epl, and was wearing the captains armband which gives him a bit more leeway in the form of chirping. Dude was ADAMANT all game long about something that was bothering him and he doesn't have that bad a reputation of a hot head, but he #####ed so much he was given a yellow for it. And then after the game he lodged a formal complaint. Where there's smoke there's fire and Suarez doesn't really strike me as anything more than a #####, so yes I'll side with a guy with a pretty good reputation here.

 
Where there's smoke there's fire
exactly, and Evra has lied before. Man U even retracted their allegations in the Finnan incident.
so yes I'll side with a guy with a pretty good reputation here.
:lmao:Maybe Evra should go have sex with people who aren't his wife again. Maybe he and Giggs can double date.
 
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I thought Evra looked unusually mad- and with such a directed anger- at Suarez. Figured it was from an uncaught dirty little hack on him by Suarez... but if true, this is ugly...

Associated PressLONDON -- The English Football Association has launched an investigation into allegations from Manchester United's Patrice Evra that he was racially abused by Liverpool striker Luis Suarez during Saturday's Premier League match.Evra, a black French defender, was quoted as telling French TV station Canal Plus: "There are cameras, you can see him (Suarez) say a certain word to me at least 10 times."English football's governing body said in a statement: "Referee Andre Marriner was made aware of an allegation at the end of the fixture and has subsequently reported this to The FA. The FA will now begin making inquiries into the matter."Liverpool told The Associated Press: "The player categorically denies the allegations."United did not immediately respond to a request for comment.Javier Hernandez salvaged a 1-1 draw for United after Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard scored on a free kick.
That would end up being a massive ban. He does crap like this though. I think he was serving a ban in Holland for biting some guy when he moved to Liverpool.
I'm obviously biased, and will admit that I'm wrong if proven to be true, but:A) Isn't this like the 5th or 6th time Evra has claimed racial abuse from opposing players? Have any of them ever been found to be true? (I'm asking here because I'm not sure.)B) Evra speaks what? French and English? I've only heard Suarez speak Spanish. Maybe he has learned English, but I've never heard him speak it, and I know he doesn't know French.I'd be real surprised if this was anything other than Evra showing just why he is a dooshnozzle.
Wait... what? You are going with he doesn't know any racial slurs in English? It's certainly possible he didn't say anything, but let's not be absurd.I really don't like either of these teams so I could care less about the result, but you and Gator are coming off badly here. Both of these guys have histories of being dooches, but Suarez takes the cake. Have you ever seen the video of him biting the guy's ear? Anyone that has seen that has to know this guy is capable of just about anything.
 
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With only two games left in the close to a disaster season for NY, Henry picked up a straight red 28 minutes into the game, not only dooming his team tonight to a 2-0 lead but now has to sit out the last game of the season.

He seems too smart a player for this to have been deliberate but for the life of me I can't figure out what he was doing. Here is the vid, what do you guys think?

http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/15/red-card-for-henry-disaster-for-red-bulls/

NY still controls its own destiny to sneak in the playoffs with one game to go.
Looks like he deliberately put his knee into the dude's back :thumbdown:
Yeah- looked pretty intentional to me too. Nothing dramatic or with great injury potential, but it appeared to me that he saw the player on the ground who had just knocked into him and sought to give him a nudge/knee while going by. Maybe a little harsh by the ref, but wtf was Henry thinking doing that little bit of payback with the ref right there. Potentially threw the season away for his team, definitely threw away the scoring title for himself.Teh BullStars. :rolleyes:

 

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