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Look at the group too:

Benfica

Basel 1893

Oţelul Galaţi

There are League 1 teams that could make it out of this group.

 
wowI guess MUFC can concentrate on the EPL now. Lotta ground to make up suckers!
City is out too so I don't see it helping much.Hopefully the early drops don't adversely effect the four CL slots for England. A case could be made for Italy getting their 4th spot back.
 
:shock:

no words can describe how utterly discusting this showing was and how bad Uniteds form has been (despite their string of 1-0 wins). They deserve to be going home, out of the CL. Drawn into a group they should have destroyed (benfica only legitimate challenger going in) and watching the knockout from home.

Congrats to Basel for taking care of business and to Benfica for winning the group. City and United going home, Chelsea and Arsenal moving on.

But also, cheers to lyon for winning and overcoming -7 point differential to knock out Ajax and get thru in their group. Heard Ajax had 2 goals called back vs RM though.

 
Hopefully the early drops don't adversely effect the four CL slots for England. A case could be made for Italy getting their 4th spot back.
England's been comfortably on top in the coefficients. Worst case they drop to #2 behind Spain.
I see that now. It's pretty rare for two English teams to go out so early because of the depth in the EPL, but even this year Serie A is the only league that has three teams advancing, everybody else is at two.
 
BetOnline.com posts odds for group of death.

Odds to win the Euro 2012 Group B: Germany +105, Netherlands +180, Portugal +400, Denmark +1200.

is Holland at 9/5 value?

 
Great article on a reporters response to Friedel calling out Donovan for taking the easy road in his career.

Criticism of Donovan born of jealousy, ignorance

That glorious stretch from the fall of 2009 through the summer of ’10 was supposed to end the debate and quash the criticism. After all, what more could Landon Donovan have done?

Donovan resolved his differences with David Beckham, captained the L.A. Galaxy to the MLS Cup final and won his first league MVP award, putting to rest any questions about his maturity and ability to lead.

Tottenham Hotspur goalkeeper Brad Friedel, an American, criticized Landon Donovan's decision to play in the U.S. rather than take on a club career in Europe. (AP photo)

Then in January ’10 he went on loan to Everton of the English Premier League and quickly established himself as a starter. He scored two goals in 13 appearances and was named the club’s player of the month for January. Donovan wanted to stay longer, but the Galaxy insisted he return.

That summer, Donovan rose to the biggest occasion at all. Tainted in the minds of many by his miserable ’06 World Cup, he made amends in South Africa.

Donovan was the U.S. team’s best player across the four matches and scored three of the biggest goals in American soccer history. He kick-started the vital comeback against Slovenia with an emphatic run and finish shortly after halftime, put the U.S. into the knockout stage with his iconic strike against Algeria and coolly finished the penalty kick that sent the round-of-16 match vs. Ghana into overtime.

Donovan was clutch. He was professional. He was more than good enough to excel at the highest level. Time to move on.

Except in the mind of a U.S. national team legend who benefitted considerably from Donovan’s exploits. On Tuesday, Tottenham Hotspur goalkeeper Brad Friedel took to the BBC World Service airwaves to discuss Clint Dempsey, who just the day before had broken the record for goals by an American in the English Premier League.

Along with celebrating Dempsey’s accomplishment, Friedel used the opportunity to take a stunning swipe at another former U.S. teammate.

“You get a player like a Landon Donovan, who in my opinion chose to take the easy road and stay in the States. It’s much harder to ply your trade over here,” Friedel told the BBC. “(The Premier League) is the best league in the world to play in, and this is where (Dempsey) got better in my opinion. This is where he became one of the best the United States ever produced.”

As for Donovan?

“The profiling in the States sometimes is a lot more to do with sponsorships than what you actually do on the field," he said. "And listen, I’m not trying to take anything away from Landon because Landon has been absolutely magnificent for the U.S. as well. I’m just saying he gets a lot more notoriety because it’s sponsorship-driven over there.”

Hey, Landon! You’re a coward and you’re famous because you pitch Gatorade. No offense, OK?

The numbers are well known. At 29 years of age, Donovan has been capped 138 times and has scored 46 goals in a U.S. jersey, by far the most of any player. He has competed in three World Cups, scored a record five goals and won three CONCACAF Gold Cup titles.

Come to think of it, that’s probably why Donovan is famous.

But Friedel’s jab was as much, or even more, about Donovan’s club career as it was about his supposedly undeserved fame.

When Donovan was 17, he signed with Germany’s Bayer Leverkusen. It didn’t work out and he was back in MLS with the San Jose Earthquakes a little more than a year later, in ’01. He returned to Leverkusen in early ’05, played a few games and then when his original contract finally expired he signed permanently with the L.A. Galaxy.

Those “failures”—the first of which occurred when Donovan was a homesick teenager and the second of which barely constitutes a useful sample size—have stained Donovan’s pro career in the minds of many.

And it’s grossly unfair.

Putting aside the personal and lifestyle issues that might prompt a grown man to have a preference about where he lives and works, there is the common, self-hating refrain from many American soccer fans (and one player) who insist that MLS is too easy or that it ####### a player’s development.

Donovan was unavailable to comment while returning from the Galaxy’s Pacific exhibition tour, but it would be fascinating to hear his take on how easy it must to be the poster boy for American soccer.

Donovan is expected to be a dominant figure on the field for both club and country—every time out—and a marketing focal point off of it. The eyes of the public, the media and the opposition are on him constantly while the significant wear and tear of a physical, parity-driven MLS played in a country the size of Europe has surprised just about every foreigner who’s given it a chance.

Is the standard as high as the Premier League? Of course not.

To argue, however, that Donovan has had it “easy” as he’s worked diligently for the better part of a decade to build the sport in the U.S. is ungrateful. To argue that performing at such a consistently high level—not to mention winning four championships—in a taxing competition like MLS, amid such pressure and expectation, simply is ignorant.

If MLS stunted a player’s development, it sure didn’t show when Donovan was saving the U.S. in South Africa, or scoring the two goals in the ’02 World Cup that helped Friedel and the U.S. reach the quarterfinals. (Incidentally, the Americans’ two least-embarrassing players at the ’06 World Cup debacle in Germany were Dempsey and defender Jimmy Conrad. Both were MLS players at the time.)

Donovan’s reasons for re-signing with the Galaxy in ’09 are his own. But the claims that he cheated himself and/or American soccer by staying in MLS must stop. The sport and league are better because of his decision, and the pining from Everton fans hoping to have him back is testament to the fact Donovan is more than good enough to thrive in the old world.

As for Friedel? The 40-year-old has had a remarkable 14 years in England and deserves respect, despite his regrettable comment this week.

But it’s worth noting that he played just one game for the U.S. following that ’02 World Cup and left the national team for good after the spring of ’04. Friedel was in his early 30s, still young for a goalkeeper. Maybe he wanted to concentrate on his lucrative club career at the expense of playing for his country. Maybe he was tired of all the travel. Maybe he was reluctant to compete with Kasey Keller and the up-and-coming Tim Howard for minutes.

Maybe Friedel chose to take the easy road.
 
Anyone catch Barcelona's youth squad destroy Bate this week? A lot of young talent on display, the future looks bright. Cuenca is a name to remember, he had a big hand in all four goals.

 
wowI guess MUFC can concentrate on the EPL now. Lotta ground to make up suckers!
City is out too so I don't see it helping much..
Europa League plays on Thursdays, do they'll both be playing weekend games on 1-2 days less rest after UEFA game days from here on out, for whatever that's worth.
I can't be sure but I would bet the line ups for the Europa games will be made up of a great deal of reserve level players and players not seeing much time in EPL games.
 
Great article on a reporters response to Friedel calling out Donovan for taking the easy road in his career.

Criticism of Donovan born of jealousy, ignorance

That glorious stretch from the fall of 2009 through the summer of ’10 was supposed to end the debate and quash the criticism. After all, what more could Landon Donovan have done?

Donovan resolved his differences with David Beckham, captained the L.A. Galaxy to the MLS Cup final and won his first league MVP award, putting to rest any questions about his maturity and ability to lead.

Tottenham Hotspur goalkeeper Brad Friedel, an American, criticized Landon Donovan's decision to play in the U.S. rather than take on a club career in Europe. (AP photo)

Then in January ’10 he went on loan to Everton of the English Premier League and quickly established himself as a starter. He scored two goals in 13 appearances and was named the club’s player of the month for January. Donovan wanted to stay longer, but the Galaxy insisted he return.

That summer, Donovan rose to the biggest occasion at all. Tainted in the minds of many by his miserable ’06 World Cup, he made amends in South Africa.

Donovan was the U.S. team’s best player across the four matches and scored three of the biggest goals in American soccer history. He kick-started the vital comeback against Slovenia with an emphatic run and finish shortly after halftime, put the U.S. into the knockout stage with his iconic strike against Algeria and coolly finished the penalty kick that sent the round-of-16 match vs. Ghana into overtime.

Donovan was clutch. He was professional. He was more than good enough to excel at the highest level. Time to move on.

Except in the mind of a U.S. national team legend who benefitted considerably from Donovan’s exploits. On Tuesday, Tottenham Hotspur goalkeeper Brad Friedel took to the BBC World Service airwaves to discuss Clint Dempsey, who just the day before had broken the record for goals by an American in the English Premier League.

Along with celebrating Dempsey’s accomplishment, Friedel used the opportunity to take a stunning swipe at another former U.S. teammate.

“You get a player like a Landon Donovan, who in my opinion chose to take the easy road and stay in the States. It’s much harder to ply your trade over here,” Friedel told the BBC. “(The Premier League) is the best league in the world to play in, and this is where (Dempsey) got better in my opinion. This is where he became one of the best the United States ever produced.”

As for Donovan?

“The profiling in the States sometimes is a lot more to do with sponsorships than what you actually do on the field," he said. "And listen, I’m not trying to take anything away from Landon because Landon has been absolutely magnificent for the U.S. as well. I’m just saying he gets a lot more notoriety because it’s sponsorship-driven over there.”

Hey, Landon! You’re a coward and you’re famous because you pitch Gatorade. No offense, OK?

The numbers are well known. At 29 years of age, Donovan has been capped 138 times and has scored 46 goals in a U.S. jersey, by far the most of any player. He has competed in three World Cups, scored a record five goals and won three CONCACAF Gold Cup titles.

Come to think of it, that’s probably why Donovan is famous.

But Friedel’s jab was as much, or even more, about Donovan’s club career as it was about his supposedly undeserved fame.

When Donovan was 17, he signed with Germany’s Bayer Leverkusen. It didn’t work out and he was back in MLS with the San Jose Earthquakes a little more than a year later, in ’01. He returned to Leverkusen in early ’05, played a few games and then when his original contract finally expired he signed permanently with the L.A. Galaxy.

Those “failures”—the first of which occurred when Donovan was a homesick teenager and the second of which barely constitutes a useful sample size—have stained Donovan’s pro career in the minds of many.

And it’s grossly unfair.

Putting aside the personal and lifestyle issues that might prompt a grown man to have a preference about where he lives and works, there is the common, self-hating refrain from many American soccer fans (and one player) who insist that MLS is too easy or that it ####### a player’s development.

Donovan was unavailable to comment while returning from the Galaxy’s Pacific exhibition tour, but it would be fascinating to hear his take on how easy it must to be the poster boy for American soccer.

Donovan is expected to be a dominant figure on the field for both club and country—every time out—and a marketing focal point off of it. The eyes of the public, the media and the opposition are on him constantly while the significant wear and tear of a physical, parity-driven MLS played in a country the size of Europe has surprised just about every foreigner who’s given it a chance.

Is the standard as high as the Premier League? Of course not.

To argue, however, that Donovan has had it “easy” as he’s worked diligently for the better part of a decade to build the sport in the U.S. is ungrateful. To argue that performing at such a consistently high level—not to mention winning four championships—in a taxing competition like MLS, amid such pressure and expectation, simply is ignorant.

If MLS stunted a player’s development, it sure didn’t show when Donovan was saving the U.S. in South Africa, or scoring the two goals in the ’02 World Cup that helped Friedel and the U.S. reach the quarterfinals. (Incidentally, the Americans’ two least-embarrassing players at the ’06 World Cup debacle in Germany were Dempsey and defender Jimmy Conrad. Both were MLS players at the time.)

Donovan’s reasons for re-signing with the Galaxy in ’09 are his own. But the claims that he cheated himself and/or American soccer by staying in MLS must stop. The sport and league are better because of his decision, and the pining from Everton fans hoping to have him back is testament to the fact Donovan is more than good enough to thrive in the old world.

As for Friedel? The 40-year-old has had a remarkable 14 years in England and deserves respect, despite his regrettable comment this week.

But it’s worth noting that he played just one game for the U.S. following that ’02 World Cup and left the national team for good after the spring of ’04. Friedel was in his early 30s, still young for a goalkeeper. Maybe he wanted to concentrate on his lucrative club career at the expense of playing for his country. Maybe he was tired of all the travel. Maybe he was reluctant to compete with Kasey Keller and the up-and-coming Tim Howard for minutes.

Maybe Friedel chose to take the easy road.
I think the author takes a few unwarranted liberties to support his bias as well. Calling Friedels comments a "stunning swipe" and saying he called LD a "coward", unfairly characterizes Friedel's comment IMO.
 
wowI guess MUFC can concentrate on the EPL now. Lotta ground to make up suckers!
City is out too so I don't see it helping much..
Europa League plays on Thursdays, do they'll both be playing weekend games on 1-2 days less rest after UEFA game days from here on out, for whatever that's worth.
I can't be sure but I would bet the line ups for the Europa games will be made up of a great deal of reserve level players and players not seeing much time in EPL games.
There will be a lot of Sunday games in Greater Manchester
 
wowI guess MUFC can concentrate on the EPL now. Lotta ground to make up suckers!
City is out too so I don't see it helping much..
Europa League plays on Thursdays, do they'll both be playing weekend games on 1-2 days less rest after UEFA game days from here on out, for whatever that's worth.
I can't be sure but I would bet the line ups for the Europa games will be made up of a great deal of reserve level players and players not seeing much time in EPL games.
Both teams have the depth to platoon to some degree, true, but I don't think either will overtly tank in the Europa league either.
 
Great article on a reporters response to Friedel calling out Donovan for taking the easy road in his career.

Criticism of Donovan born of jealousy, ignorance

That glorious stretch from the fall of 2009 through the summer of ’10 was supposed to end the debate and quash the criticism. After all, what more could Landon Donovan have done?

Donovan resolved his differences with David Beckham, captained the L.A. Galaxy to the MLS Cup final and won his first league MVP award, putting to rest any questions about his maturity and ability to lead.

Tottenham Hotspur goalkeeper Brad Friedel, an American, criticized Landon Donovan's decision to play in the U.S. rather than take on a club career in Europe. (AP photo)

Then in January ’10 he went on loan to Everton of the English Premier League and quickly established himself as a starter. He scored two goals in 13 appearances and was named the club’s player of the month for January. Donovan wanted to stay longer, but the Galaxy insisted he return.

That summer, Donovan rose to the biggest occasion at all. Tainted in the minds of many by his miserable ’06 World Cup, he made amends in South Africa.

Donovan was the U.S. team’s best player across the four matches and scored three of the biggest goals in American soccer history. He kick-started the vital comeback against Slovenia with an emphatic run and finish shortly after halftime, put the U.S. into the knockout stage with his iconic strike against Algeria and coolly finished the penalty kick that sent the round-of-16 match vs. Ghana into overtime.

Donovan was clutch. He was professional. He was more than good enough to excel at the highest level. Time to move on.

Except in the mind of a U.S. national team legend who benefitted considerably from Donovan’s exploits. On Tuesday, Tottenham Hotspur goalkeeper Brad Friedel took to the BBC World Service airwaves to discuss Clint Dempsey, who just the day before had broken the record for goals by an American in the English Premier League.

Along with celebrating Dempsey’s accomplishment, Friedel used the opportunity to take a stunning swipe at another former U.S. teammate.

“You get a player like a Landon Donovan, who in my opinion chose to take the easy road and stay in the States. It’s much harder to ply your trade over here,” Friedel told the BBC. “(The Premier League) is the best league in the world to play in, and this is where (Dempsey) got better in my opinion. This is where he became one of the best the United States ever produced.”

As for Donovan?

“The profiling in the States sometimes is a lot more to do with sponsorships than what you actually do on the field," he said. "And listen, I’m not trying to take anything away from Landon because Landon has been absolutely magnificent for the U.S. as well. I’m just saying he gets a lot more notoriety because it’s sponsorship-driven over there.”

Hey, Landon! You’re a coward and you’re famous because you pitch Gatorade. No offense, OK?

The numbers are well known. At 29 years of age, Donovan has been capped 138 times and has scored 46 goals in a U.S. jersey, by far the most of any player. He has competed in three World Cups, scored a record five goals and won three CONCACAF Gold Cup titles.

Come to think of it, that’s probably why Donovan is famous.

But Friedel’s jab was as much, or even more, about Donovan’s club career as it was about his supposedly undeserved fame.

When Donovan was 17, he signed with Germany’s Bayer Leverkusen. It didn’t work out and he was back in MLS with the San Jose Earthquakes a little more than a year later, in ’01. He returned to Leverkusen in early ’05, played a few games and then when his original contract finally expired he signed permanently with the L.A. Galaxy.

Those “failures”—the first of which occurred when Donovan was a homesick teenager and the second of which barely constitutes a useful sample size—have stained Donovan’s pro career in the minds of many.

And it’s grossly unfair.

Putting aside the personal and lifestyle issues that might prompt a grown man to have a preference about where he lives and works, there is the common, self-hating refrain from many American soccer fans (and one player) who insist that MLS is too easy or that it ####### a player’s development.

Donovan was unavailable to comment while returning from the Galaxy’s Pacific exhibition tour, but it would be fascinating to hear his take on how easy it must to be the poster boy for American soccer.

Donovan is expected to be a dominant figure on the field for both club and country—every time out—and a marketing focal point off of it. The eyes of the public, the media and the opposition are on him constantly while the significant wear and tear of a physical, parity-driven MLS played in a country the size of Europe has surprised just about every foreigner who’s given it a chance.

Is the standard as high as the Premier League? Of course not.

To argue, however, that Donovan has had it “easy” as he’s worked diligently for the better part of a decade to build the sport in the U.S. is ungrateful. To argue that performing at such a consistently high level—not to mention winning four championships—in a taxing competition like MLS, amid such pressure and expectation, simply is ignorant.

If MLS stunted a player’s development, it sure didn’t show when Donovan was saving the U.S. in South Africa, or scoring the two goals in the ’02 World Cup that helped Friedel and the U.S. reach the quarterfinals. (Incidentally, the Americans’ two least-embarrassing players at the ’06 World Cup debacle in Germany were Dempsey and defender Jimmy Conrad. Both were MLS players at the time.)

Donovan’s reasons for re-signing with the Galaxy in ’09 are his own. But the claims that he cheated himself and/or American soccer by staying in MLS must stop. The sport and league are better because of his decision, and the pining from Everton fans hoping to have him back is testament to the fact Donovan is more than good enough to thrive in the old world.

As for Friedel? The 40-year-old has had a remarkable 14 years in England and deserves respect, despite his regrettable comment this week.

But it’s worth noting that he played just one game for the U.S. following that ’02 World Cup and left the national team for good after the spring of ’04. Friedel was in his early 30s, still young for a goalkeeper. Maybe he wanted to concentrate on his lucrative club career at the expense of playing for his country. Maybe he was tired of all the travel. Maybe he was reluctant to compete with Kasey Keller and the up-and-coming Tim Howard for minutes.

Maybe Friedel chose to take the easy road.
I think the author takes a few unwarranted liberties to support his bias as well. Calling Friedels comments a "stunning swipe" and saying he called LD a "coward", unfairly characterizes Friedel's comment IMO.
I read Friedels comments before I read the article and I have to admit that I kind of took the tone of the comments to be pretty much the same as the author. Friedel was way way off base here IMO. I think he could have made what ever his point was better. He should have just stuck with singing Dempseys praises instead of going out of his way to throw Landon under the bus.
 
Looks like the Union will have the honor of popping the cherry on MLS' new "Young Designated Player" category with the signing of 21-year old forward and Costa Rica international Josue Martinez from Saprissa.

Love the Young DP rule, only carries a cap hit of $200k. Reports are that the Union paid $500k for the transfer. Hopefully this paves the way for similar young talent signings in MLS.

 
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Looks like the Union will have the honor of popping the cherry on MLS' new "Young Designated Player" category with the signing of 21-year old forward and Costa Rica international Josue Martinez from Saprissa.Love the Young DP rule, only carries a cap hit of $200k. Reports are that the Union paid $500k for the transfer. Hopefully this paves the way for similar young talent signings in MLS.
Jesus, an already young and talented team gets even younger. Very cool. Do you know if he is a DP for salary or for transfer fee?There are two levels to the youth DP in terms of the cap hitAges 21 to 23: $200,000.20 or younger: $150,000.
 
Caleb Porter has released the roster for the U23 camp. Most of the names I expected but surprised not to see Agudelo listed. Probably because he will be with the senior camp. Klinsmann has stated in interviews that he does expect Agudelo to play for the U23's.

U.S. UNDER-23 ROSTER BY POSITION

GOALKEEPERS (4): David Bingham (San Jose Earthquakes), Bill Hamid (D.C. United), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire), Zac MacMath (Philadelphia Union)

DEFENDERS (8): Gale Agbossoumonde (Eintracht Frankfurt), Royal-Dominique Fennell (Stuttgarter Kickers), Sebastien Ibeagha (Duke), Kofi Sarkodie (Houston Dynamo), Zarek Valentin (Montreal Impact), Jorge Villafana (Chivas USA), Andrew Wenger (Duke), Sheanon Williams (Philadelphia Union)

MIDFIELDERS (10): Freddy Adu (Philadelphia Union), Bryan Arguez (Montreal Impact), Joe Corona (Club Tijuana), Danny Cruz (Houston Dynamo), Mikkel Diskerud (Stabæk), Dilly Duka (Columbus Crew), Jared Jeffrey (Mainz), Sebastian Lletget (West Ham United), Amobi Okugo (Philadelphia Union), Michael Stephens (LA Galaxy)

FORWARDS (6): Will Bruin (Houston Dynamo), Teal Bunbury (Sporting KC), Jann George (Nürnberg), Joe Gyau (Hoffenheim), Jack McInerney (Philadelphia Union), Andrew Wooten (Kaiserslautern)

 
Looks like the Union will have the honor of popping the cherry on MLS' new "Young Designated Player" category with the signing of 21-year old forward and Costa Rica international Josue Martinez from Saprissa.Love the Young DP rule, only carries a cap hit of $200k. Reports are that the Union paid $500k for the transfer. Hopefully this paves the way for similar young talent signings in MLS.
Jesus, an already young and talented team gets even younger. Very cool. Do you know if he is a DP for salary or for transfer fee?There are two levels to the youth DP in terms of the cap hitAges 21 to 23: $200,000.20 or younger: $150,000.
As it turns out, Novak just came out and said that Martinez will NOT be a DP, and that allocation money the team received from last year's Carlos Ruiz sale will go towards Martinez's cap hit. It's gotta be a ton of allocation money if the reports are true about paying Saprissa half a mil for the transfer.
 
The Generation Adidas team touring the Netherlands droppe their first match to the Ajax reserve team 4-2. GA goals by Dilly Duka and Corey Hertzog. Can't post the video from my phone, but Hertzog's goal was the result of an absolutely sick run by Omar Salgado through the Ajax defense. That kid is huge!

 
Looks like the Union will have the honor of popping the cherry on MLS' new "Young Designated Player" category with the signing of 21-year old forward and Costa Rica international Josue Martinez from Saprissa.Love the Young DP rule, only carries a cap hit of $200k. Reports are that the Union paid $500k for the transfer. Hopefully this paves the way for similar young talent signings in MLS.
Jesus, an already young and talented team gets even younger. Very cool. Do you know if he is a DP for salary or for transfer fee?There are two levels to the youth DP in terms of the cap hitAges 21 to 23: $200,000.20 or younger: $150,000.
As it turns out, Novak just came out and said that Martinez will NOT be a DP, and that allocation money the team received from last year's Carlos Ruiz sale will go towards Martinez's cap hit. It's gotta be a ton of allocation money if the reports are true about paying Saprissa half a mil for the transfer.
The allocation money is a huge item in building teams now. And unlike the salary cap, the amount varies from team to team and is very hard to follow who has what assets available to spend. I would prefer a more open system where the fans know what each team has to spend.
 

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