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I am a newcomer to this thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned. A new independent film is being debuted at SXSW and it sounds worth checking out.

Pelada

On a day when the Champions League knockout rounds start, I wanted to draw your attention away briefly from the stadium lights to a marvelous new soccer documentary by four young Americans that I saw a sneak preview of on Monday. The film is called Pelada--the Brazilian term for pickup soccer--and it follows two former college standouts (Duke's Gwendolyn Oxenham and Notre Dame's Luke Boughen) as they visit 25 countries in search of pickup games and the stories of the people who play them.

The movie, which debuts at the prestigious South by Southwest Film Festival in Austin, Tex., on March 14, is a testament to the power of the world's game to dissolve the boundaries of gender, language and culture. Armed with a ball and a thirst for adventure, the Americans bribe their way into a Bolivian prison game, play for money in a Nairobi slum tournament and test the limits of Iranian authorities when Oxenham joins an all-male game in Tehran.

But what elevates Pelada from a cute highlight travelogue to something more resonant is the filmmakers' ability to find compelling stories and earn the trust of their interview subjects. "Once you play a game with someone, interview doesn't seem like the appropriate word," says Oxenham. "There's this level of intimacy that you don't get if you don't play soccer. Every place we went, you're then invited into their homes. Everyone's mother wants to cook for you."

"[Playing soccer] would change the situation from being an outsider having an interview with them to having a conversation with a friend," adds Boughen.

The result is a film that combines eye-popping cinematography (by co-directors Rebekah Fergusson and Ryan White) with human stories: the dreams of a teenage Brazilian girl nicknamed Ronaldinha; a lunchtime kickabout among workers building the Cape Town World Cup stadium; and an Italian writer who pens love poems to the sport. A tense game between Arabs and Jews in Jerusalem reveals the benefits (and very real challenges) that come with the sport.

Boughen and Oxenham are also clearly good players, and a running thread is the reaction in male-dominated soccer cultures to a woman who's eager to join them on the field. "It was funny because Luke would score three goals and nobody really cared because everyone can see he's a good [male] soccer player, but all I would have to do was a little pivot and everyone freaked out," says Oxenham. "There was very little negative reaction to me, except for maybe in Italy, where in a couple pickup games it was like, 'Who is this woman?' In Iran they passed the ball to me more than they did in any other country, whether I was in a good position or not, which was interesting to me."

The filmmakers financed their project by piecing together grants and contributions, but they're still raising money to cover costs after spending around $250,000 on the project. While they have done a deal with PBS International for the international rights, they're hoping that the buzz from the South by Southwest Film Festival and others (they have applied to the Tribeca Film Festival in New York City) will lead to a distribution deal with a U.S. studio or television channel.

For now, though, they're excited about their film finally making its public debut. "It's surreal," Oxenham says. "You spend three years and you've got 400 hours of footage and getting it down to 80 or 90 minutes tops, it feels like you're killing babies left and right. But it's great to see it shaping up into the thing that you always imagined from the beginning."

Yet being accepted into a major film festival isn't the only news for Oxenham and Boughen. After crisscrossing the globe together, they're getting married in June. Part of their honeymoon may involve a screening of Pelada in Cape Town during the World Cup.

You can find more information about Pelada (including a movie trailer and tax-deductible donations) at www.pelada-movie.com.
Sound great :banned: Like most of you guys I'm sure, I've played pickup soccer all over the place and have found no better way of being immediately taken in by the home-peeps.
Yeah, this definitely sounds interesting. If someone sees where it ends up getting picked up I'd like to know.
I've seen some lengthy excerpts from this - going back a year or more - on youtube and the like. Its good stuff, but not necessarily something I would expect to be a feature-length documentary.
I finally checked out Pelada last weekend now that it is available on Netflix watch instantly. Its not a perfect film by any means and I've got a few complaints, but there are some great scenes that make it well worthwhile imo, especially for a soccer fan. On my list of best soccer movies, I'd put it well above Ladybugs but a notch or two below Victory.
What about Hotshots?
Maybe after everyone's posted their top 11 player list, we can do the best soccer movies.Here's my off-the-cuff eleven:

Cech (Cz)

Cole (Eng)

Bruma (Hol)

Luiz (Bra)

Ivanovich (Serb)

Obi Mikel (Nigeria)

Essien (Ghana)

Marin (Ger)

Hazard (Bel)

Malouda (Fr)

Torres (Sp)

 
I am a newcomer to this thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned. A new independent film is being debuted at SXSW and it sounds worth checking out.

Pelada

On a day when the Champions League knockout rounds start, I wanted to draw your attention away briefly from the stadium lights to a marvelous new soccer documentary by four young Americans that I saw a sneak preview of on Monday. The film is called Pelada--the Brazilian term for pickup soccer--and it follows two former college standouts (Duke's Gwendolyn Oxenham and Notre Dame's Luke Boughen) as they visit 25 countries in search of pickup games and the stories of the people who play them.

The movie, which debuts at the prestigious South by Southwest Film Festival in Austin, Tex., on March 14, is a testament to the power of the world's game to dissolve the boundaries of gender, language and culture. Armed with a ball and a thirst for adventure, the Americans bribe their way into a Bolivian prison game, play for money in a Nairobi slum tournament and test the limits of Iranian authorities when Oxenham joins an all-male game in Tehran.

But what elevates Pelada from a cute highlight travelogue to something more resonant is the filmmakers' ability to find compelling stories and earn the trust of their interview subjects. "Once you play a game with someone, interview doesn't seem like the appropriate word," says Oxenham. "There's this level of intimacy that you don't get if you don't play soccer. Every place we went, you're then invited into their homes. Everyone's mother wants to cook for you."

"[Playing soccer] would change the situation from being an outsider having an interview with them to having a conversation with a friend," adds Boughen.

The result is a film that combines eye-popping cinematography (by co-directors Rebekah Fergusson and Ryan White) with human stories: the dreams of a teenage Brazilian girl nicknamed Ronaldinha; a lunchtime kickabout among workers building the Cape Town World Cup stadium; and an Italian writer who pens love poems to the sport. A tense game between Arabs and Jews in Jerusalem reveals the benefits (and very real challenges) that come with the sport.

Boughen and Oxenham are also clearly good players, and a running thread is the reaction in male-dominated soccer cultures to a woman who's eager to join them on the field. "It was funny because Luke would score three goals and nobody really cared because everyone can see he's a good [male] soccer player, but all I would have to do was a little pivot and everyone freaked out," says Oxenham. "There was very little negative reaction to me, except for maybe in Italy, where in a couple pickup games it was like, 'Who is this woman?' In Iran they passed the ball to me more than they did in any other country, whether I was in a good position or not, which was interesting to me."

The filmmakers financed their project by piecing together grants and contributions, but they're still raising money to cover costs after spending around $250,000 on the project. While they have done a deal with PBS International for the international rights, they're hoping that the buzz from the South by Southwest Film Festival and others (they have applied to the Tribeca Film Festival in New York City) will lead to a distribution deal with a U.S. studio or television channel.

For now, though, they're excited about their film finally making its public debut. "It's surreal," Oxenham says. "You spend three years and you've got 400 hours of footage and getting it down to 80 or 90 minutes tops, it feels like you're killing babies left and right. But it's great to see it shaping up into the thing that you always imagined from the beginning."

Yet being accepted into a major film festival isn't the only news for Oxenham and Boughen. After crisscrossing the globe together, they're getting married in June. Part of their honeymoon may involve a screening of Pelada in Cape Town during the World Cup.

You can find more information about Pelada (including a movie trailer and tax-deductible donations) at www.pelada-movie.com.
Sound great :banned: Like most of you guys I'm sure, I've played pickup soccer all over the place and have found no better way of being immediately taken in by the home-peeps.
Yeah, this definitely sounds interesting. If someone sees where it ends up getting picked up I'd like to know.
I've seen some lengthy excerpts from this - going back a year or more - on youtube and the like. Its good stuff, but not necessarily something I would expect to be a feature-length documentary.
I finally checked out Pelada last weekend now that it is available on Netflix watch instantly. Its not a perfect film by any means and I've got a few complaints, but there are some great scenes that make it well worthwhile imo, especially for a soccer fan. On my list of best soccer movies, I'd put it well above Ladybugs but a notch or two below Victory.
What about Hotshots?
Maybe after everyone's posted their top 11 player list, we can do the best soccer movies.Here's my off-the-cuff eleven:

Cech (Cz)

Cole (Eng)

Bruma (Hol)

Luiz (Bra)

Ivanovich (Serb)

Obi Mikel (Nigeria)

Essien (Ghana)

Marin (Ger)

Hazard (Bel)

Malouda (Fr)

Torres (Sp)
Luiz? are you drunk or really tired?
 
I am a newcomer to this thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned. A new independent film is being debuted at SXSW and it sounds worth checking out.

Pelada

On a day when the Champions League knockout rounds start, I wanted to draw your attention away briefly from the stadium lights to a marvelous new soccer documentary by four young Americans that I saw a sneak preview of on Monday. The film is called Pelada--the Brazilian term for pickup soccer--and it follows two former college standouts (Duke's Gwendolyn Oxenham and Notre Dame's Luke Boughen) as they visit 25 countries in search of pickup games and the stories of the people who play them.

The movie, which debuts at the prestigious South by Southwest Film Festival in Austin, Tex., on March 14, is a testament to the power of the world's game to dissolve the boundaries of gender, language and culture. Armed with a ball and a thirst for adventure, the Americans bribe their way into a Bolivian prison game, play for money in a Nairobi slum tournament and test the limits of Iranian authorities when Oxenham joins an all-male game in Tehran.

But what elevates Pelada from a cute highlight travelogue to something more resonant is the filmmakers' ability to find compelling stories and earn the trust of their interview subjects. "Once you play a game with someone, interview doesn't seem like the appropriate word," says Oxenham. "There's this level of intimacy that you don't get if you don't play soccer. Every place we went, you're then invited into their homes. Everyone's mother wants to cook for you."

"[Playing soccer] would change the situation from being an outsider having an interview with them to having a conversation with a friend," adds Boughen.

The result is a film that combines eye-popping cinematography (by co-directors Rebekah Fergusson and Ryan White) with human stories: the dreams of a teenage Brazilian girl nicknamed Ronaldinha; a lunchtime kickabout among workers building the Cape Town World Cup stadium; and an Italian writer who pens love poems to the sport. A tense game between Arabs and Jews in Jerusalem reveals the benefits (and very real challenges) that come with the sport.

Boughen and Oxenham are also clearly good players, and a running thread is the reaction in male-dominated soccer cultures to a woman who's eager to join them on the field. "It was funny because Luke would score three goals and nobody really cared because everyone can see he's a good [male] soccer player, but all I would have to do was a little pivot and everyone freaked out," says Oxenham. "There was very little negative reaction to me, except for maybe in Italy, where in a couple pickup games it was like, 'Who is this woman?' In Iran they passed the ball to me more than they did in any other country, whether I was in a good position or not, which was interesting to me."

The filmmakers financed their project by piecing together grants and contributions, but they're still raising money to cover costs after spending around $250,000 on the project. While they have done a deal with PBS International for the international rights, they're hoping that the buzz from the South by Southwest Film Festival and others (they have applied to the Tribeca Film Festival in New York City) will lead to a distribution deal with a U.S. studio or television channel.

For now, though, they're excited about their film finally making its public debut. "It's surreal," Oxenham says. "You spend three years and you've got 400 hours of footage and getting it down to 80 or 90 minutes tops, it feels like you're killing babies left and right. But it's great to see it shaping up into the thing that you always imagined from the beginning."

Yet being accepted into a major film festival isn't the only news for Oxenham and Boughen. After crisscrossing the globe together, they're getting married in June. Part of their honeymoon may involve a screening of Pelada in Cape Town during the World Cup.

You can find more information about Pelada (including a movie trailer and tax-deductible donations) at www.pelada-movie.com.
Sound great :banned: Like most of you guys I'm sure, I've played pickup soccer all over the place and have found no better way of being immediately taken in by the home-peeps.
Yeah, this definitely sounds interesting. If someone sees where it ends up getting picked up I'd like to know.
I've seen some lengthy excerpts from this - going back a year or more - on youtube and the like. Its good stuff, but not necessarily something I would expect to be a feature-length documentary.
I finally checked out Pelada last weekend now that it is available on Netflix watch instantly. Its not a perfect film by any means and I've got a few complaints, but there are some great scenes that make it well worthwhile imo, especially for a soccer fan. On my list of best soccer movies, I'd put it well above Ladybugs but a notch or two below Victory.
What about Hotshots?
Maybe after everyone's posted their top 11 player list, we can do the best soccer movies.Here's my off-the-cuff eleven:

Cech (Cz)

Cole (Eng)

Bruma (Hol)

Luiz (Bra)

Ivanovich (Serb)

Obi Mikel (Nigeria)

Essien (Ghana)

Marin (Ger)

Hazard (Bel)

Malouda (Fr)

Torres (Sp)
Luiz? are you drunk or really tired?
He has his blue goggles on.
 
I am a newcomer to this thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned. A new independent film is being debuted at SXSW and it sounds worth checking out.

Pelada

On a day when the Champions League knockout rounds start, I wanted to draw your attention away briefly from the stadium lights to a marvelous new soccer documentary by four young Americans that I saw a sneak preview of on Monday. The film is called Pelada--the Brazilian term for pickup soccer--and it follows two former college standouts (Duke's Gwendolyn Oxenham and Notre Dame's Luke Boughen) as they visit 25 countries in search of pickup games and the stories of the people who play them.

The movie, which debuts at the prestigious South by Southwest Film Festival in Austin, Tex., on March 14, is a testament to the power of the world's game to dissolve the boundaries of gender, language and culture. Armed with a ball and a thirst for adventure, the Americans bribe their way into a Bolivian prison game, play for money in a Nairobi slum tournament and test the limits of Iranian authorities when Oxenham joins an all-male game in Tehran.

But what elevates Pelada from a cute highlight travelogue to something more resonant is the filmmakers' ability to find compelling stories and earn the trust of their interview subjects. "Once you play a game with someone, interview doesn't seem like the appropriate word," says Oxenham. "There's this level of intimacy that you don't get if you don't play soccer. Every place we went, you're then invited into their homes. Everyone's mother wants to cook for you."

"[Playing soccer] would change the situation from being an outsider having an interview with them to having a conversation with a friend," adds Boughen.

The result is a film that combines eye-popping cinematography (by co-directors Rebekah Fergusson and Ryan White) with human stories: the dreams of a teenage Brazilian girl nicknamed Ronaldinha; a lunchtime kickabout among workers building the Cape Town World Cup stadium; and an Italian writer who pens love poems to the sport. A tense game between Arabs and Jews in Jerusalem reveals the benefits (and very real challenges) that come with the sport.

Boughen and Oxenham are also clearly good players, and a running thread is the reaction in male-dominated soccer cultures to a woman who's eager to join them on the field. "It was funny because Luke would score three goals and nobody really cared because everyone can see he's a good [male] soccer player, but all I would have to do was a little pivot and everyone freaked out," says Oxenham. "There was very little negative reaction to me, except for maybe in Italy, where in a couple pickup games it was like, 'Who is this woman?' In Iran they passed the ball to me more than they did in any other country, whether I was in a good position or not, which was interesting to me."

The filmmakers financed their project by piecing together grants and contributions, but they're still raising money to cover costs after spending around $250,000 on the project. While they have done a deal with PBS International for the international rights, they're hoping that the buzz from the South by Southwest Film Festival and others (they have applied to the Tribeca Film Festival in New York City) will lead to a distribution deal with a U.S. studio or television channel.

For now, though, they're excited about their film finally making its public debut. "It's surreal," Oxenham says. "You spend three years and you've got 400 hours of footage and getting it down to 80 or 90 minutes tops, it feels like you're killing babies left and right. But it's great to see it shaping up into the thing that you always imagined from the beginning."

Yet being accepted into a major film festival isn't the only news for Oxenham and Boughen. After crisscrossing the globe together, they're getting married in June. Part of their honeymoon may involve a screening of Pelada in Cape Town during the World Cup.

You can find more information about Pelada (including a movie trailer and tax-deductible donations) at www.pelada-movie.com.
Sound great :banned: Like most of you guys I'm sure, I've played pickup soccer all over the place and have found no better way of being immediately taken in by the home-peeps.
Yeah, this definitely sounds interesting. If someone sees where it ends up getting picked up I'd like to know.
I've seen some lengthy excerpts from this - going back a year or more - on youtube and the like. Its good stuff, but not necessarily something I would expect to be a feature-length documentary.
I finally checked out Pelada last weekend now that it is available on Netflix watch instantly. Its not a perfect film by any means and I've got a few complaints, but there are some great scenes that make it well worthwhile imo, especially for a soccer fan. On my list of best soccer movies, I'd put it well above Ladybugs but a notch or two below Victory.
What about Hotshots?
Maybe after everyone's posted their top 11 player list, we can do the best soccer movies.Here's my off-the-cuff eleven:

Cech (Cz)

Cole (Eng)

Bruma (Hol)

Luiz (Bra)

Ivanovich (Serb)

Obi Mikel (Nigeria)

Essien (Ghana)

Marin (Ger)

Hazard (Bel)

Malouda (Fr)

Torres (Sp)
What, you don't even bother to put them in 10-0-1 formation?
 
Ibrahimovic(SWE)

Ronaldo (Por) Messi (Arg)

Ozil (Ger) Hazard (Bel)

Toure (IC)

Cole (Eng) Vidic (Ser) Thiago Silva (Bra) Ramos (Sp)

Cech (Cze)

* Think Ibra is probably the most dangerous Forward in the world when properly motivated. I pick him over Falcao and Drogba

* Ronaldo and Messi are clear cut choices

* Ozil is probably the most instrumental playmaker out there today. Not only a great creator, but also a bigger body in midfield than Xavi, who he narrowly beats out.

* Picked Hazard based on his dominance in France over the last two years. Hes both a goal scorer (20+ again) as well as a distributor. Wesley Sneijder wouldve held this role in 2010.

* Toure is the number one DF in the world right now

* So many Spaniards to choose from. I dont rate Alves as highly as others and think Ramos works here.

* Cech played huge in 2012 and gets the nod based on his achievements this year.

 
Ibrahimovic(SWE)

Ronaldo (Por) Messi (Arg)

Ozil (Ger) Hazard (Bel)

Toure (IC)

Cole (Eng) Vidic (Ser) Thiago Silva (Bra) Ramos (Sp)

* Picked Hazard based on his dominance in France over the last two years. Hes both a goal scorer (20+ again) as well as a distributor. Wesley Sneijder wouldve held this role in 2010.
:lmao: Sure you did.
 
Based on what I've seen Mexico is going to kill us on Aug 15 - man these guys can link up in the front.
I don't know what the rosters will be. There has been some speculation that many of the US Euro based players will not be called in so that their preseason is not interrupted. We will find out on Sunday but like you I think the US has set themselves up to be crushed here. The timing of this game is very strange.
 
So let me see if I got this straight when comparing the youth teams between US and Mexico

2011 U17 World Cup

Mexico - Champions

US - Out in round of 16



2012 U20 World Cup

Mexico - 3rd place

US - Did not qualify

2012 Olympics (U23+)

Mexico - At worst 4th 2nd

US - Did not qualify

Yikes
Updated.
 
Ibrahimovic(SWE)

Ronaldo (Por) Messi (Arg)

Ozil (Ger) Hazard (Bel)

Toure (IC)

Cole (Eng) Vidic (Ser) Thiago Silva (Bra) Ramos (Sp)

Cech (Cze)

* Think Ibra is probably the most dangerous Forward in the world when properly motivated. I pick him over Falcao and Drogba

* Ronaldo and Messi are clear cut choices

* Ozil is probably the most instrumental playmaker out there today. Not only a great creator, but also a bigger body in midfield than Xavi, who he narrowly beats out.

* Picked Hazard based on his dominance in France over the last two years. Hes both a goal scorer (20+ again) as well as a distributor. Wesley Sneijder wouldve held this role in 2010.

* Toure is the number one DF in the world right now

* So many Spaniards to choose from. I dont rate Alves as highly as others and think Ramos works here.

* Cech played huge in 2012 and gets the nod based on his achievements this year.
Pretty similar to what I'd do.Ibrahimovic(SWE)

Ronaldo (Por) Messi (Arg)

Ozil (Ger) Hazard (Bel) Xavi (Sp)

Toure (IC)

Cole (Eng) Evra (Fr) Vidic (Ser) Thiago Silva (Bra) Kompany (Bel) Ramos (Sp) Dirtbag #1 (Bra)

Cech (Cze)

Taking Silva out hurts, but Dirtbag 1 or 2 are better than Ramos, IMO, and Kompany belongs- for that matter, I could see Terry going in there, but I can't have a backline full of ####ers. Xavi is still the best central MF, even though I like what I've seen of Hazard he doesn't sniff Xavi's jock yet. Cole and Evra are close.

 
...................FalcaoRonaldo............Iniesta.........Messi..........Toure.....PirloBale.....Hummels......Kompany......Alves.................Cech
Really good, except for Bale. Think I'd put Cole there instead. Or Evra at LB, and Woz in goal.
Bale (at LB) would possibly be my FIRST PICK when building a squad from scratch. He is heads and shoulders ahead of both Cole and Evra. He might be the fastest guy in that above team (when fit) on top of it.
 
...................FalcaoRonaldo............Iniesta.........Messi..........Toure.....PirloBale.....Hummels......Kompany......Alves.................Cech
Really good, except for Bale. Think I'd put Cole there instead. Or Evra at LB, and Woz in goal.
Bale (at LB) would possibly be my FIRST PICK when building a squad from scratch. He is heads and shoulders ahead of both Cole and Evra. He might be the fastest guy in that above team (when fit) on top of it.
I missed the part where he plays left back.
 
...................FalcaoRonaldo............Iniesta.........Messi..........Toure.....PirloBale.....Hummels......Kompany......Alves.................Cech
Really good, except for Bale. Think I'd put Cole there instead. Or Evra at LB, and Woz in goal.
Bale (at LB) would possibly be my FIRST PICK when building a squad from scratch. He is heads and shoulders ahead of both Cole and Evra. He might be the fastest guy in that above team (when fit) on top of it.
I missed the part where he plays left back.
:goodposting:
 
...................FalcaoRonaldo............Iniesta.........Messi..........Toure.....PirloBale.....Hummels......Kompany......Alves.................Cech
Really good, except for Bale. Think I'd put Cole there instead. Or Evra at LB, and Woz in goal.
Bale (at LB) would possibly be my FIRST PICK when building a squad from scratch. He is heads and shoulders ahead of both Cole and Evra. He might be the fastest guy in that above team (when fit) on top of it.
I missed the part where he plays left back.
When there was talk of Bale going to Barca one of the rumors was that he'd be used as an attacking left back.
 
'El Floppo said:
'PIK95 said:
'Good said:
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...................FalcaoRonaldo............Iniesta.........Messi..........Toure.....PirloBale.....Hummels......Kompany......Alves.................Cech
Really good, except for Bale. Think I'd put Cole there instead. Or Evra at LB, and Woz in goal.
Bale (at LB) would possibly be my FIRST PICK when building a squad from scratch. He is heads and shoulders ahead of both Cole and Evra. He might be the fastest guy in that above team (when fit) on top of it.
I missed the part where he plays left back.
Alves doesn't really play as a RB either :shrug:
 
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I think Brazil has had a different first 11 every game so far in the tournament. Today it looks like they have 6 defenders in the starting lineup, depending on how you classify Romulo. Espn has him as a D, but their lineup puts Alex Sandro at forward, which must be a typo, eh?

 
'El Floppo said:
'PIK95 said:
'Good said:
'Slapdash said:
...................FalcaoRonaldo............Iniesta.........Messi..........Toure.....PirloBale.....Hummels......Kompany......Alves.................Cech
Really good, except for Bale. Think I'd put Cole there instead. Or Evra at LB, and Woz in goal.
Bale (at LB) would possibly be my FIRST PICK when building a squad from scratch. He is heads and shoulders ahead of both Cole and Evra. He might be the fastest guy in that above team (when fit) on top of it.
I missed the part where he plays left back.
Alves doesn't really play as a RB either :shrug:
:confused:He attacks a lot, yeah- but he's a RB. Your analogy is better served by saying Iniesta plays LB. Which he doesn't.
 
I think Brazil has had a different first 11 every game so far in the tournament. Today it looks like they have 6 defenders in the starting lineup, depending on how you classify Romulo. Espn has him as a D, but their lineup puts Alex Sandro at forward, which must be a typo, eh?
They're killing it in the 2nd Half
 
'Christo said:
'El Floppo said:
'PIK95 said:
'Good said:
'Slapdash said:
...................FalcaoRonaldo............Iniesta.........Messi..........Toure.....PirloBale.....Hummels......Kompany......Alves.................Cech
Really good, except for Bale. Think I'd put Cole there instead. Or Evra at LB, and Woz in goal.
Bale (at LB) would possibly be my FIRST PICK when building a squad from scratch. He is heads and shoulders ahead of both Cole and Evra. He might be the fastest guy in that above team (when fit) on top of it.
I missed the part where he plays left back.
When there was talk of Bale going to Barca one of the rumors was that he'd be used as an attacking left back.
I don't know if there was ever a chance of that happening, Bale would've drained their budget for this summer. My guess is that a lot of that chatter was coming from Bale's camp.
 
I think Brazil has had a different first 11 every game so far in the tournament. Today it looks like they have 6 defenders in the starting lineup, depending on how you classify Romulo. Espn has him as a D, but their lineup puts Alex Sandro at forward, which must be a typo, eh?
They're killing it in the 2nd Half
The final should be a good game. I understand that new guy wearing the #10 for Brazil is pretty good. Unfortunately, when that game kicks off I'll be sitting in a rowboat with my son in the middle of a lake in northern Wisconsin contemplating my first beer of the day and hoping the fish don't interrupt my morning by taking a shot at the bait.
 
'El Floppo said:
'PIK95 said:
'Good said:
'Slapdash said:
...................FalcaoRonaldo............Iniesta.........Messi..........Toure.....PirloBale.....Hummels......Kompany......Alves.................Cech
Really good, except for Bale. Think I'd put Cole there instead. Or Evra at LB, and Woz in goal.
Bale (at LB) would possibly be my FIRST PICK when building a squad from scratch. He is heads and shoulders ahead of both Cole and Evra. He might be the fastest guy in that above team (when fit) on top of it.
I missed the part where he plays left back.
Alves doesn't really play as a RB either :shrug:
:confused:He attacks a lot, yeah- but he's a RB. Your analogy is better served by saying Iniesta plays LB. Which he doesn't.
Alves is increasingly deployed by Barcelona as a winger, something Brasil has done with him frequently over the years as well. Most of his activity on the ball is near the attacking third with his average position even to or infront of the midfield even when he is on the matchsheet as a RB.
 
I know youth championship results do not always translate into senior team success but with the consistency Mexico has shown at multiple age groups, I think if I was a Mexican fan I would be pretty disappointed if they did not make the quarter finals in either of 2014 or 2018.

Mexico has not reached the quarter finals since 1986 when they hosted. They have only reached the quarter finals twice in their history and both times (1970 and 1986) they hosted.

In the last 5 straight world cups they have been tossed in the round of 16.

 
'Christo said:
'El Floppo said:
'PIK95 said:
'Good said:
'Slapdash said:
...................FalcaoRonaldo............Iniesta.........Messi..........Toure.....PirloBale.....Hummels......Kompany......Alves.................Cech
Really good, except for Bale. Think I'd put Cole there instead. Or Evra at LB, and Woz in goal.
Bale (at LB) would possibly be my FIRST PICK when building a squad from scratch. He is heads and shoulders ahead of both Cole and Evra. He might be the fastest guy in that above team (when fit) on top of it.
I missed the part where he plays left back.
When there was talk of Bale going to Barca one of the rumors was that he'd be used as an attacking left back.
I don't know if there was ever a chance of that happening, Bale would've drained their budget for this summer. My guess is that a lot of that chatter was coming from Bale's camp.
Didn't say where the talk was coming from or whether it was actually going to happen.
 
'Sebowski said:
'Native said:
Ibrahimovic(SWE)

Ronaldo (Por) Messi (Arg)

Ozil (Ger) Hazard (Bel)

Toure (IC)

Cole (Eng) Vidic (Ser) Thiago Silva (Bra) Ramos (Sp)

* Picked Hazard based on his dominance in France over the last two years. Hes both a goal scorer (20+ again) as well as a distributor. Wesley Sneijder wouldve held this role in 2010.
:lmao: Sure you did.
:bag: Ok so its not the only reason I picked him. :) Truthfully, he was the last guy I inserted into my lineup. I actually wanted to take out Ashley Cole but couldnt find a good replacement without killing my team!

 
Bale started out as a left back. He's only been a winger for a couple years now.
Really? I recall watching him play for the first time in what IIRC was his first year in the EPL and I don't recall it being at left back. If my memory serves (and it usually doesn't, so major caveat there)- he was more of an out and out forward... at least I remember him attacking a great deal and defending not so much if at all. Looking forwrad to being shown a link proving me and my faulty (but specific in this case) memory wrong here.
 
'El Floppo said:
'PIK95 said:
'Good said:
'Slapdash said:
...................FalcaoRonaldo............Iniesta.........Messi..........Toure.....PirloBale.....Hummels......Kompany......Alves.................Cech
Really good, except for Bale. Think I'd put Cole there instead. Or Evra at LB, and Woz in goal.
Bale (at LB) would possibly be my FIRST PICK when building a squad from scratch. He is heads and shoulders ahead of both Cole and Evra. He might be the fastest guy in that above team (when fit) on top of it.
I missed the part where he plays left back.
Alves doesn't really play as a RB either :shrug:
:confused:He attacks a lot, yeah- but he's a RB. Your analogy is better served by saying Iniesta plays LB. Which he doesn't.
Alves is increasingly deployed by Barcelona as a winger, something Brasil has done with him frequently over the years as well. Most of his activity on the ball is near the attacking third with his average position even to or infront of the midfield even when he is on the matchsheet as a RB.
Just so I understand- you were agreeing about Bale, right? But then threw in ALves too?I still disagree about Alves, regardless of how much playing for Barca allows him the freedom and opportunity to attack. If they're under pressure, he's back there where his position needs him to be. Otherwise, he's a RB who gets forward a lot.
 
I know youth championship results do not always translate into senior team success but with the consistency Mexico has shown at multiple age groups, I think if I was a Mexican fan I would be pretty disappointed if they did not make the quarter finals in either of 2014 or 2018.

Mexico has not reached the quarter finals since 1986 when they hosted. They have only reached the quarter finals twice in their history and both times (1970 and 1986) they hosted.

In the last 5 straight world cups they have been tossed in the round of 16.
Andy- you and I (and others, obviously) have been wringing our hands about this generation of Mexican players since that youth WC victory. As a team who consitstenly makes it to the knock-out rounds, I'd agree that with this group of players, Mexico has to be thinking that the time has finally come to make a run deep into the WC. Yeah- totally- anything less than final 8 has to be seen as a disappointment. Hell- any loss in the region would have to be seen as a disappointment

 
Bale started out as a left back. He's only been a winger for a couple years now.
Really? I recall watching him play for the first time in what IIRC was his first year in the EPL and I don't recall it being at left back. If my memory serves (and it usually doesn't, so major caveat there)- he was more of an out and out forward... at least I remember him attacking a great deal and defending not so much if at all. Looking forwrad to being shown a link proving me and my faulty (but specific in this case) memory wrong here.
I don't remember it either to be honest but when these guys first started to list Bale as lb I checked his wiki page and sure enough he is listed as a left winger/ left back.It looks like he started his career at Southampton as a left back
 
I know youth championship results do not always translate into senior team success but with the consistency Mexico has shown at multiple age groups, I think if I was a Mexican fan I would be pretty disappointed if they did not make the quarter finals in either of 2014 or 2018.

Mexico has not reached the quarter finals since 1986 when they hosted. They have only reached the quarter finals twice in their history and both times (1970 and 1986) they hosted.

In the last 5 straight world cups they have been tossed in the round of 16.
Andy- you and I (and others, obviously) have been wringing our hands about this generation of Mexican players since that youth WC victory. As a team who consitstenly makes it to the knock-out rounds, I'd agree that with this group of players, Mexico has to be thinking that the time has finally come to make a run deep into the WC. Yeah- totally- anything less than final 8 has to be seen as a disappointment. Hell- any loss in the region would have to be seen as a disappointment
I would not be against seeing them end up in a group of death come 2014 and watching their golden generation flame out like Portugal did in 2002 (not that that was a group of death by any means).
 
'El Floppo said:
'PIK95 said:
'Good said:
'Slapdash said:
...................FalcaoRonaldo............Iniesta.........Messi..........Toure.....PirloBale.....Hummels......Kompany......Alves.................Cech
Really good, except for Bale. Think I'd put Cole there instead. Or Evra at LB, and Woz in goal.
Bale (at LB) would possibly be my FIRST PICK when building a squad from scratch. He is heads and shoulders ahead of both Cole and Evra. He might be the fastest guy in that above team (when fit) on top of it.
I missed the part where he plays left back.
Alves doesn't really play as a RB either :shrug:
:confused:He attacks a lot, yeah- but he's a RB. Your analogy is better served by saying Iniesta plays LB. Which he doesn't.
Alves is increasingly deployed by Barcelona as a winger, something Brasil has done with him frequently over the years as well. Most of his activity on the ball is near the attacking third with his average position even to or infront of the midfield even when he is on the matchsheet as a RB.
Just so I understand- you were agreeing about Bale, right? But then threw in ALves too?I still disagree about Alves, regardless of how much playing for Barca allows him the freedom and opportunity to attack. If they're under pressure, he's back there where his position needs him to be. Otherwise, he's a RB who gets forward a lot.
Just pointing out another example of a player that are used enough in various positions for something like a best 11.
 
Cameron's work permit hearing is tomorrow at 11:00am Manchester time. Anyone know how long it takes to make a ruling after the hearing is over?

At 11 a.m. Wednesday in Manchester, England, the leaders of Stoke City of the English Premier League will make the case that U.S. national team center back Geoff Cameron of the Houston Dynamo is worthy of getting a UK work permit.Because he hasn’t made the required national team appearances for an automatic work permit, Cameron must get a waiver. To back his case, Cameron has received letters of recommendation from some of the top names in U.S. Soccer, including Clint Dempsey, U.S. national team coach Jurgen Klinsmann and former U.S. national team midfielder Dominic Kinnear, the renowned two-time MLS Cup-winning coach of the Dynamo.Dynamo president Chris Canetti also sent a letter of recommendation.“It’s the first time I’ve ever done it,” Kinnear said. “You’re recommending him to play in the English Premier League, and you’re giving your reasons why and you give a brief history of your time with him and what you see are the assets and characteristic of him that would make him successful over there.”As a courtesy to Houston Chronicle readers and Dynamo fans, Kinnear shared some of the points he made in his letter.“I said (Cameron’s) overall technical ability is good, physical ability good, discipline on and off the field and game and tactical awareness on both sides of the ball, versatility (are good),” he said. “I think he’s a good person off the field. And off the field he won’t be a distraction at any time.“I think he has the characteristics that will make him a successful player in the English Premier League. We talked about his inclusion into the national team, his accomplishments here – All-Star, Best XI, and (Dynamo) Defender of the Year, leading the team to the playoffs and stuff like that.”Cameron, who has been arguably the Dynamo’s most talented player since 2010, is one of the all-time good guys in Dynamo history. The kid gets it. He doesn’t lack confidence, and his heart is generally in the right place. He has paid close attention to how team icon and former U.S. national team stalwart Brian Ching has handled fame.More importantly, Cameron will be a worthy representative of the Dynamo in the EPL.Moreover, he’s grateful for the lessons he received with the Dynamo. He also appreciates the kind words in the letters of recommendation.“It’s an honor and I’m very blessed that these guys support me and believe in me,” Cameron told the Chronicle from England. “Can’t thank them enough from the bottom of my heart.”U.S. national team goalkeeper Tim Howard, who stars for Everton of the EPL, has been giving Cameron some tips on places to live once his move becomes official as soon as his work visa is approved.
 
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I know youth championship results do not always translate into senior team success but with the consistency Mexico has shown at multiple age groups, I think if I was a Mexican fan I would be pretty disappointed if they did not make the quarter finals in either of 2014 or 2018.

Mexico has not reached the quarter finals since 1986 when they hosted. They have only reached the quarter finals twice in their history and both times (1970 and 1986) they hosted.

In the last 5 straight world cups they have been tossed in the round of 16.
Andy- you and I (and others, obviously) have been wringing our hands about this generation of Mexican players since that youth WC victory. As a team who consitstenly makes it to the knock-out rounds, I'd agree that with this group of players, Mexico has to be thinking that the time has finally come to make a run deep into the WC. Yeah- totally- anything less than final 8 has to be seen as a disappointment. Hell- any loss in the region would have to be seen as a disappointment
I would not be against seeing them end up in a group of death come 2014 and watching their golden generation flame out like Portugal did in 2002 (not that that was a group of death by any means).
Is it wrong for us to want them to completely fail? I say, NO.That said- I'm finding myself routing for them for the Gold in the Olys. I'm over Brazil, and I think getting a communal swelled-head if they win will work against them in WCQ.

 
Bale started out as a left back. He's only been a winger for a couple years now.
Really? I recall watching him play for the first time in what IIRC was his first year in the EPL and I don't recall it being at left back. If my memory serves (and it usually doesn't, so major caveat there)- he was more of an out and out forward... at least I remember him attacking a great deal and defending not so much if at all. Looking forwrad to being shown a link proving me and my faulty (but specific in this case) memory wrong here.
I don't remember it either to be honest but when these guys first started to list Bale as lb I checked his wiki page and sure enough he is listed as a left winger/ left back.It looks like he started his career at Southampton as a left back
He played LB for Tottenham too. I think it was two years ago that he was listed with the defenders in the EPL fantasy game. Guy was even more of a stud back then.
 
Oh! I'm going to see RM v Milan at Yankee Stadium tonight. Pretty psyched. Anybody want me to look out for something while I'm there? Milan's been in such a fire-sale mode, I better check their roster right now just to see if there's anybody left I recognize.

 
Bale started out as a left back. He's only been a winger for a couple years now.
Really? I recall watching him play for the first time in what IIRC was his first year in the EPL and I don't recall it being at left back. If my memory serves (and it usually doesn't, so major caveat there)- he was more of an out and out forward... at least I remember him attacking a great deal and defending not so much if at all. Looking forwrad to being shown a link proving me and my faulty (but specific in this case) memory wrong here.
I don't remember it either to be honest but when these guys first started to list Bale as lb I checked his wiki page and sure enough he is listed as a left winger/ left back.It looks like he started his career at Southampton as a left back
He played LB for Tottenham too. I think it was two years ago that he was listed with the defenders in the EPL fantasy game. Guy was even more of a stud back then.
well alrighty then.
 
US Open Cup Final is tonight at 9:00pm eastern on Gol TV with KC hosting Seattle

*US Open Cup is the second oldest cup, still running, competition the the world. Only the FA Cup in England is older

*Seattle is going for a record 4th straight title tonight

*KC is looking for both their second Open Cup title and their very first qualification into the CCL for next year.

*The record for most titles is still held at 5 by two teams: Maccabi LA and Bethlehem Steel

 
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Cameron's work permit hearing is tomorrow at 11:00am Manchester time. Anyone know how long it takes to make a ruling after the hearing is over?

At 11 a.m. Wednesday in Manchester, England, the leaders of Stoke City of the English Premier League will make the case that U.S. national team center back Geoff Cameron of the Houston Dynamo is worthy of getting a UK work permit.Because he hasn’t made the required national team appearances for an automatic work permit, Cameron must get a waiver. To back his case, Cameron has received letters of recommendation from some of the top names in U.S. Soccer, including Clint Dempsey, U.S. national team coach Jurgen Klinsmann and former U.S. national team midfielder Dominic Kinnear, the renowned two-time MLS Cup-winning coach of the Dynamo.Dynamo president Chris Canetti also sent a letter of recommendation.“It’s the first time I’ve ever done it,” Kinnear said. “You’re recommending him to play in the English Premier League, and you’re giving your reasons why and you give a brief history of your time with him and what you see are the assets and characteristic of him that would make him successful over there.”As a courtesy to Houston Chronicle readers and Dynamo fans, Kinnear shared some of the points he made in his letter.“I said (Cameron’s) overall technical ability is good, physical ability good, discipline on and off the field and game and tactical awareness on both sides of the ball, versatility (are good),” he said. “I think he’s a good person off the field. And off the field he won’t be a distraction at any time.“I think he has the characteristics that will make him a successful player in the English Premier League. We talked about his inclusion into the national team, his accomplishments here – All-Star, Best XI, and (Dynamo) Defender of the Year, leading the team to the playoffs and stuff like that.”Cameron, who has been arguably the Dynamo’s most talented player since 2010, is one of the all-time good guys in Dynamo history. The kid gets it. He doesn’t lack confidence, and his heart is generally in the right place. He has paid close attention to how team icon and former U.S. national team stalwart Brian Ching has handled fame.More importantly, Cameron will be a worthy representative of the Dynamo in the EPL.Moreover, he’s grateful for the lessons he received with the Dynamo. He also appreciates the kind words in the letters of recommendation.“It’s an honor and I’m very blessed that these guys support me and believe in me,” Cameron told the Chronicle from England. “Can’t thank them enough from the bottom of my heart.”U.S. national team goalkeeper Tim Howard, who stars for Everton of the EPL, has been giving Cameron some tips on places to live once his move becomes official as soon as his work visa is approved.
It's done. Per BBC-
Stoke City: Geoff Cameron cleared to join PottersStoke City have been cleared to complete a deal to bring in United States international defender Geoff Cameron from MLS side Houston Dynamo.Stoke had lined up the 27-year-old to become one of three summer arrivals at the Britannia Stadium, until being held up by a work permit issue.But the club won their appeal to obtain a permit at a hearing on Wednesday."Geoff's been over here already getting to know everyone and seems a great lad," said assistant boss David Kemp."It's been frustrating for him not being able to play in the pre-season games."And he's got to go back there next week to play for the USA in a game in Mexico."It means more unnecessary travelling and we're still not sure how quickly we can get him playing."But he's just keen to get started."Cameron can also play at full-back or in midfield, but it is at the back where the Potters can best use him right now, following Robert Huth's meningitis scare."We are delighted that the appeals panel have approved the work permit and we are now in a position to conclude the transfer," Stoke City chief executive Tony Scholes, who had to attend the appeals panel in Manchester with manager Tony Pulis, told the club website. "It's been a difficult period between agreeing the transfer deal and the hearing, most difficult for Geoff in particular because his life has been on hold."Thankfully though, we have now progressed to a point where Geoff can focus on the start to his career at the Britannia Stadium."Stoke, who also completed a deal to bring in Wolves winger Michael Kightly on Wednesday, have also signed Rangers midfielder Jamie Ness, but are yet to receive international clearance.
 
It's done. Per BBC-

Stoke City: Geoff Cameron cleared to join PottersStoke City have been cleared to complete a deal to bring in United States international defender Geoff Cameron from MLS side Houston Dynamo.Stoke had lined up the 27-year-old to become one of three summer arrivals at the Britannia Stadium, until being held up by a work permit issue.But the club won their appeal to obtain a permit at a hearing on Wednesday."Geoff's been over here already getting to know everyone and seems a great lad," said assistant boss David Kemp."It's been frustrating for him not being able to play in the pre-season games."And he's got to go back there next week to play for the USA in a game in Mexico."It means more unnecessary travelling and we're still not sure how quickly we can get him playing."But he's just keen to get started."Cameron can also play at full-back or in midfield, but it is at the back where the Potters can best use him right now, following Robert Huth's meningitis scare."We are delighted that the appeals panel have approved the work permit and we are now in a position to conclude the transfer," Stoke City chief executive Tony Scholes, who had to attend the appeals panel in Manchester with manager Tony Pulis, told the club website. "It's been a difficult period between agreeing the transfer deal and the hearing, most difficult for Geoff in particular because his life has been on hold."Thankfully though, we have now progressed to a point where Geoff can focus on the start to his career at the Britannia Stadium."Stoke, who also completed a deal to bring in Wolves winger Michael Kightly on Wednesday, have also signed Rangers midfielder Jamie Ness, but are yet to receive international clearance.
Excellent. If Ream was able to play as much as he did and not embarrass himself, Cameron should do just as well if he can get on the field. He is almost as good on the ball as Ream and is a stronger defender.
 
So MLS decidees that after 65% of the season is complete that this would be a good time to release the tie breaking information for the standings.

And even better, they let the co-op student come up with these. See if you can spot the error(s) in the list :)

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/08/08/mls-reveals-new-set-standings-tiebreakers-12-season

1) Most total goals scored

2) Greatest goal differential

3) Fewest disciplinary points

4) Most road goals scored

5) Greatest road goal differential

6) Most home goals scored

7) Greatest home goal differential

8) Coin toss (for 2 teams) or drawing of lots (3 or more teams)

 

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