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So MLS decidees that after 65% of the season is complete that this would be a good time to release the tie breaking information for the standings.And even better, they let the co-op student come up with these. See if you can spot the error(s) in the list :)http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/08/08/mls-reveals-new-set-standings-tiebreakers-12-season1) Most total goals scored2) Greatest goal differential3) Fewest disciplinary points4) Most road goals scored5) Greatest road goal differential6) Most home goals scored7) Greatest home goal differential8) Coin toss (for 2 teams) or drawing of lots (3 or more teams)
That is just utter nonsense.
 
So MLS decidees that after 65% of the season is complete that this would be a good time to release the tie breaking information for the standings.And even better, they let the co-op student come up with these. See if you can spot the error(s) in the list :)http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/08/08/mls-reveals-new-set-standings-tiebreakers-12-season1) Most total goals scored2) Greatest goal differential3) Fewest disciplinary points4) Most road goals scored5) Greatest road goal differential6) Most home goals scored7) Greatest home goal differential8) Coin toss (for 2 teams) or drawing of lots (3 or more teams)
That is just utter nonsense.
so you see the error then?
 
So MLS decidees that after 65% of the season is complete that this would be a good time to release the tie breaking information for the standings.And even better, they let the co-op student come up with these. See if you can spot the error(s) in the list :)http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/08/08/mls-reveals-new-set-standings-tiebreakers-12-season1) Most total goals scored2) Greatest goal differential3) Fewest disciplinary points4) Most road goals scored5) Greatest road goal differential6) Most home goals scored7) Greatest home goal differential8) Coin toss (for 2 teams) or drawing of lots (3 or more teams)
That is just utter nonsense.
so you see the error then?
I'm not sure if I see an "error" per se, it just seems completely illogical to have goals scored be the first tiebreaker over GD. ManU/Barca friendly on FSC right now btw, lots of regulars playing.
 
So MLS decidees that after 65% of the season is complete that this would be a good time to release the tie breaking information for the standings.And even better, they let the co-op student come up with these. See if you can spot the error(s) in the list :)http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/08/08/mls-reveals-new-set-standings-tiebreakers-12-season1) Most total goals scored2) Greatest goal differential3) Fewest disciplinary points4) Most road goals scored5) Greatest road goal differential6) Most home goals scored7) Greatest home goal differential8) Coin toss (for 2 teams) or drawing of lots (3 or more teams)
That is just utter nonsense.
so you see the error then?
I'm not sure if I see an "error" per se, it just seems completely illogical to have goals scored be the first tiebreaker over GD.
I don't think it is illogical, it is simply a choice by the league. MLS obviously wants higher scoring games. They would favor a 4-3 game over a 2-0 game, as do I as a fan. It is just a philosophy, it is neither wrong or right IMO.And yes there are errors in the list that have nothing to do with the philosophy.
 
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So MLS decidees that after 65% of the season is complete that this would be a good time to release the tie breaking information for the standings.And even better, they let the co-op student come up with these. See if you can spot the error(s) in the list :)http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/08/08/mls-reveals-new-set-standings-tiebreakers-12-season1) Most total goals scored2) Greatest goal differential3) Fewest disciplinary points4) Most road goals scored5) Greatest road goal differential6) Most home goals scored7) Greatest home goal differential8) Coin toss (for 2 teams) or drawing of lots (3 or more teams)
That is just utter nonsense.
so you see the error then?
I'm not sure if I see an "error" per se, it just seems completely illogical to have goals scored be the first tiebreaker over GD.
I don't think it is illogical, it is simply a choice by the league. MLS obviously wants higher scoring games. They would favor a 4-3 game over a 2-0 game, as do I as a fan. It is just a philosophy, it is neither wrong or right IMO.And yes there are errors in the list.
:goodposting: The MLS needs to continue growing and US culture is going to prefer more goals.
 
So MLS decidees that after 65% of the season is complete that this would be a good time to release the tie breaking information for the standings.

And even better, they let the co-op student come up with these. See if you can spot the error(s) in the list :)

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/08/08/mls-reveals-new-set-standings-tiebreakers-12-season

1) Most total goals scored

2) Greatest goal differential

3) Fewest disciplinary points

4) Most road goals scored

5) Greatest road goal differential

6) Most home goals scored

7) Greatest home goal differential

8) Coin toss (for 2 teams) or drawing of lots (3 or more teams)
That is just utter nonsense.
so you see the error then?
I'm not sure if I see an "error" per se, it just seems completely illogical to have goals scored be the first tiebreaker over GD.
I don't think it is illogical, it is simply a choice by the league. MLS obviously wants higher scoring games. They would favor a 4-3 game over a 2-0 game, as do I as a fan. It is just a philosophy, it is neither wrong or right IMO.

And yes there are errors in the list that have nothing to do with the philosophy.
:shrug: I give up.

 
So MLS decidees that after 65% of the season is complete that this would be a good time to release the tie breaking information for the standings.

And even better, they let the co-op student come up with these. See if you can spot the error(s) in the list :)

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/08/08/mls-reveals-new-set-standings-tiebreakers-12-season

1) Most total goals scored

2) Greatest goal differential

3) Fewest disciplinary points

4) Most road goals scored

5) Greatest road goal differential

6) Most home goals scored

7) Greatest home goal differential

8) Coin toss (for 2 teams) or drawing of lots (3 or more teams)
That is just utter nonsense.
so you see the error then?
I'm not sure if I see an "error" per se, it just seems completely illogical to have goals scored be the first tiebreaker over GD.
I don't think it is illogical, it is simply a choice by the league. MLS obviously wants higher scoring games. They would favor a 4-3 game over a 2-0 game, as do I as a fan. It is just a philosophy, it is neither wrong or right IMO.

And yes there are errors in the list that have nothing to do with the philosophy.
:shrug: I give up.
think mathematically when looking at the list. If you don't see it now let me know and I will post the answer.
 
#6 seems superfluous given #s 1 and 4.
This is correct. If the teams are tied on steps 1 through 5, both steps 6 and 7 are mathematically gaureenteed to also be tied, making both those steps meaningless in the list.
Okay. But how does it make it all "utter nonsense"?
To be fair, I said "utter nonsense" in re: goals scored being the tibreaker over goal differential, not the superfluous tiebreaker.3 points for a win/1 for a tie is already plenty of incentive to be aggressive. :shrug:
 
3 points for a win/1 for a tie is already plenty of incentive to be aggressive. :shrug:
Depends on your point of view I guess. Soccer has not increased in scoring since the three points for a win system was introduced in any measurable way.
If this is the case, I don't think making GD the first tiebreaker is going to do it either. It is curious how teams are generally irrational and don't play for the win at the end of games more.
 
3 points for a win/1 for a tie is already plenty of incentive to be aggressive. :shrug:
Depends on your point of view I guess. Soccer has not increased in scoring since the three points for a win system was introduced in any measurable way.
If this is the case, I don't think making GD the first tiebreaker is going to do it either. It is curious how teams are generally irrational and don't play for the win at the end of games more.
GD is not the first tie breaker in the MLS system but I think it is almost every where else. I think culturally world wide, that unless you play for one of the chosen few teams, 85% of the teams believe "stop team from scoring", before they think "let us score"
 
Ok the first shoe looks to have dropped.

I am not sure how official any of this is yet and may still include some educated speculatiom so please take with a large grain of salt.

1) BeIn Sports has paid Gol TV to move to channel 426 on Direct TV. Gol TV remains for now in the sports tier but you will need to use SAP to get the language of your choice once the move occurs.

2) BeIn Sports will now occupy channel 620 (Gol TV's old channel) and move into Direct TV's sports tier

3) This looks to happen on the 15th assuming nothing goes wrong in testing

4) Direct TV has been actively testing 5 HD channels, one of which is BeIn Sports HD.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/directv080812.htm

5) BeIn Sports is also testing on Dish right now but only in SD.

6) For Direct TV, this is only the English language BeIn Sports. The Spanish language version is said to still be in negotiations.

 
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Lots of money on the line for ladies. More important for some than others obviously

U.S. Soccer President Sunil Gulati says the women's team will split a $1.5 million bonus if the Americans beat Japan in the final here Thursday, which is more than they would earn with a loss, though Gulati declined to specify how much more. The expectation is that the money will be split by the 18 players on the current roster, a pool of about a dozen reserves and training staff. Not every person may receive a full share or a share at all.In addition, each player would get a $15,000 bonus for silver or a $25,000 bonus for gold from the U.S. Olympic Committee.On top of that, U.S. Soccer is planning a national tour after the Games, which would consist of at least three games if the U.S. women lose to Japan, and at least 10 if they win.
 
'Good said:
Moura to PSG this winter, according to PSG's website.
Link: PSG's spending over the last 12 months has reached $286M USD*Javier Pastore from Palermo in August 2011: $50MJeremy Menez from Roma in July 2011: $10MMohamed Sissoko from Juventus in July 2011: $10MDiego Lugano from Fenerbahce in August 2011: $4MMaxwell from Barcelona in January 2012: $5MAlex from Chelsea in January 2012: $6MThiago Motta from Inter Milan in January 2012: $12MThiago Silva from AC Milan in July 2012: $59MZlatan Ibrahimovic from AC Milan in July 2012: $24MEzequiel Lavezzi from Napoli in July 2012: $36MMarco Verratti from Pescara in July 2012: $13MLucas Moura from Sao Paulo in August 2012: $57M * (added this one in myself)And Sir Alex is spitting mad.
"They must have spent about £150m in the last month. As you know, the only deterrent to that is Uefa. In the conditions of European football, you don't qualify for Europe by winning the league or coming second - you only get in by invitation. That's where, hopefully, Uefa can have some power. When somebody's paying £45m for a 19-year-old boy you have to say the game's gone mad."
 
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US Open Cup Final is has delayed the start until 9:41. Some sort of massive rain/hail storm it sounds like. Looks fine now though. Field is in good condition.

 
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'Good said:
Moura to PSG this winter, according to PSG's website.
Link: PSG's spending over the last 12 months has reached $286M USD*Javier Pastore from Palermo in August 2011: $50MJeremy Menez from Roma in July 2011: $10MMohamed Sissoko from Juventus in July 2011: $10MDiego Lugano from Fenerbahce in August 2011: $4MMaxwell from Barcelona in January 2012: $5MAlex from Chelsea in January 2012: $6MThiago Motta from Inter Milan in January 2012: $12MThiago Silva from AC Milan in July 2012: $59MZlatan Ibrahimovic from AC Milan in July 2012: $24MEzequiel Lavezzi from Napoli in July 2012: $36MMarco Verratti from Pescara in July 2012: $13MLucas Moura from Sao Paulo in August 2012: $57M * (added this one in myself)And Sir Alex is spitting mad.
"They must have spent about £150m in the last month. As you know, the only deterrent to that is Uefa. In the conditions of European football, you don't qualify for Europe by winning the league or coming second - you only get in by invitation. That's where, hopefully, Uefa can have some power. When somebody's paying £45m for a 19-year-old boy you have to say the game's gone mad."
:violin:
 
KC wins in PK's after a 1-1 draw.

Alonso and Johnson both Baggioed their kicks.

Zusi screwed up his Pirlo badly.

Big turn came after Seattle keeper made pk save but ref allowed KC to retake in which they scored.

KC into next years CCL.

Good for KC and their ownership who really have worked hard to turn that market around when most felt it was a lost cause.

 
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'Good said:
Moura to PSG this winter, according to PSG's website.
Link: PSG's spending over the last 12 months has reached $286M USD*Javier Pastore from Palermo in August 2011: $50MJeremy Menez from Roma in July 2011: $10MMohamed Sissoko from Juventus in July 2011: $10MDiego Lugano from Fenerbahce in August 2011: $4MMaxwell from Barcelona in January 2012: $5MAlex from Chelsea in January 2012: $6MThiago Motta from Inter Milan in January 2012: $12MThiago Silva from AC Milan in July 2012: $59MZlatan Ibrahimovic from AC Milan in July 2012: $24MEzequiel Lavezzi from Napoli in July 2012: $36MMarco Verratti from Pescara in July 2012: $13MLucas Moura from Sao Paulo in August 2012: $57M * (added this one in myself)And Sir Alex is spitting mad.
"They must have spent about £150m in the last month. As you know, the only deterrent to that is Uefa. In the conditions of European football, you don't qualify for Europe by winning the league or coming second - you only get in by invitation. That's where, hopefully, Uefa can have some power. When somebody's paying £45m for a 19-year-old boy you have to say the game's gone mad."
:violin:
But if Sir Alex had gotten that 19-year-old for the £30m he wanted to pay, that would've been fair and reasonable.
 
So pretty entertaining game last night with some great goals. Di Maria hit a screamer volley off Abiati's punch clear of a corner kick. Milan put together some nice moves and balls thruogh Cassano, Nocciarino (sp?) and Robinho finishing. And then Higuain came off the bench and just took over. Didn't get the goals, but created everything- soooo strong on the ball and fantastic close touch.

Oh- we sat two rows from the tippy-top of Yankee Stadium. I actually got a little acrophobic up there.

eta: Kaka came off the bench too and was completely up and down- one second he turns brilliantly and puts a perfect ball through into space, the next he mis-traps or mis-passes straight to Milan.

 
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I don't think this will go any where but it is worth mentioning just in case.

Last week Goff was floating a rumor that one of the cable channels (likely FSC, ESPN2 or NBCSN) was looking into buying the rights for the upcoming US vs Jamaica game so that it would not have to be on PPV again.

 
I hate the timing of the Mexico friendly and I think this it is a mistake to disturb the players preseason if he does call in the Euro's.This article has the Stoke City manager stating that Cameron will have to go back for the Mexico game. Of all the Euro players, I would have thought Cameron would have been left alone to get settled.http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19184797

"Geoff's been over here already getting to know everyone and seems a great lad," said assistant boss David Kemp."It's been frustrating for him not being able to play in the pre-season games."And he's got to go back there next week to play for the USA in a game in Mexico."It means more unnecessary travelling and we're still not sure how quickly we can get him playing.
I originally thought the US roster would be made up of a combination of MLS, MFL and the three stranded Rangers players but if Klinsmann is going to call in Cameron, then other Euro's are likely to be called in as well.
 
'Good said:
Moura to PSG this winter, according to PSG's website.
Link: PSG's spending over the last 12 months has reached $286M USD*Javier Pastore from Palermo in August 2011: $50MJeremy Menez from Roma in July 2011: $10MMohamed Sissoko from Juventus in July 2011: $10MDiego Lugano from Fenerbahce in August 2011: $4MMaxwell from Barcelona in January 2012: $5MAlex from Chelsea in January 2012: $6MThiago Motta from Inter Milan in January 2012: $12MThiago Silva from AC Milan in July 2012: $59MZlatan Ibrahimovic from AC Milan in July 2012: $24MEzequiel Lavezzi from Napoli in July 2012: $36MMarco Verratti from Pescara in July 2012: $13MLucas Moura from Sao Paulo in August 2012: $57M * (added this one in myself)And Sir Alex is spitting mad.
"They must have spent about £150m in the last month. As you know, the only deterrent to that is Uefa. In the conditions of European football, you don't qualify for Europe by winning the league or coming second - you only get in by invitation. That's where, hopefully, Uefa can have some power. When somebody's paying £45m for a 19-year-old boy you have to say the game's gone mad."
:violin:
I agree with SAF, but he had the advantage for so long he's really not in a position to complain now. I think if the FFP rules went into effect 10 years earlier the game would be much different today. Unfortunately, it didn't, and I don't believe UEFA has the guts to suddenly give it teeth now.
 
Joe Allen was at Anfield for Liverpool's 2nd leg against FC Gomel. Expected to be announced as a Liverpool player tomorrow, pending a physical.

 
Anyone who can read Spanish please confirm but I think this is the Mexican roster against the US

http://www.mediotiempo.com/futbol/seleccion-mexicana/noticias/2012/08/09/enfrentara-mexico-a-estados-unidos-sin-seleccionados-olimpicos

Ángel Reyna, Aldo de Nigris, Severo Meza y Jesús Zavala, Hugo Ayala, Jorge Torres Nilo, Elías Hernández y Manuel Viniegra, Enrique Pérez,, Gerardo Lugo, Adrián Aldretes, Pablo Barrera, Rafael Márquez, Carlos Vela, Jonathan dos Santos, Javier Hernández, Andrés Guardado, Héctor Moreno, Francisco Javier Rodríguez

 
Anyone who can read Spanish please confirm but I think this is the Mexican roster against the UShttp://www.mediotiempo.com/futbol/seleccion-mexicana/noticias/2012/08/09/enfrentara-mexico-a-estados-unidos-sin-seleccionados-olimpicos Ángel Reyna, Aldo de Nigris, Severo Meza y Jesús Zavala, Hugo Ayala, Jorge Torres Nilo, Elías Hernández y Manuel Viniegra, Enrique Pérez,, Gerardo Lugo, Adrián Aldretes, Pablo Barrera, Rafael Márquez, Carlos Vela, Jonathan dos Santos, Javier Hernández, Andrés Guardado, Héctor Moreno, Francisco Javier Rodríguez
Here is the official roster by position. Very strong team for MexicoGoalkeepers: Guillermo Ochoa (Ajaccio, France), Alfredo Talavera (Toluca)Defenders: Francisco Javier Rodríguez (Stuttgart, Germany), Héctor Moreno (Espanyol, Spain), Severo Meza (Monterrey), Hugo Ayala (UANL Tigres), Jorge Torres Nilo (UANL Tigres), Enrique Pérez (Morelia), Adrian Aldrete (América)Midfielders: Jesús Zavala (Monterrey), Manuel Viniegra (UANL Tigres), Edgar Gerardo Lugo (Santos Laguna), Pablo Barrera (Cruz Azul), Andrés Guardado (Valencia, Spain), Ángel Reyna (Monterrey)Forwards: Elías Hernández (UANL Tigres), Aldo De Nigris (Monterrey), Javier Hernández (Manchester United, England)
 
The draws for the playoff round of both the Champions League and the Europa League were made this morning. I believe FSC will be showing some of the playoff games. This is the last round before group stage starts for each competition.

Champions League Playoff Round

Europa League Playoff Round

A quick glance through the teams:

Jozy, Gatt, Cherundolo, Gooch, Diskerud and Boyd are the Americans still alive in Europa play

Sacha, I think, is the only American in the Champions League playoff. Jones and Parkhurst are already in the CL group stage

 
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English Premier League returns in less then a week. :excited:
Walk on through the wind.Walk on through the rain.Though your dreams be tossed and blown.Walk on. Walk on. With hope in your heart.And you'll never walk alone.And you'll never walk alone.
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I don't have the stomache to talk about the US v Japan game in that thread... or even open that thread.

What did you guys think of it?

Gotta say, I love watching Japan play. Great skill, and such a good tactical understanding of movement and space and so good at linking up play quickly. Made the US girls look amateurish quite a bit (especially the central backs who spent most of the game ball watching). Of course, the US has some fantastic players who also happen to be fantastic athletes, and IMO that athleticism in particular trumped Japan's flowing game.

I wonder though- did the US coach instruct the players to be selfish? Seemed like the key players (outside of Wambach) would get the ball, put their heads down and just go until they lost the ball or forced a shot from distance/poor angles. It was so consistent I have to assume it was part of their game plan. Hell- even on Lloyd's screamer of a goal I was practically yelling at her to pass to either of two players who had made great runs to either side of her and were wide open bursting towards goal. But no- she dribbles straight at the defense through 3 or 4 players and hits that... well- golaso. Great shot, terrible play. :shrug: And that was Morgan's night in a nutshell- don't get me wrong, great player who still had an impactful meaningful game for the US... but just PASS the ball! There were far more goals for the US out there if the extra pass had been made, IMO.

And fwiw- Morgan is a 6 at best. There, I said it.

 
I don't have the stomache to talk about the US v Japan game in that thread... or even open that thread.

What did you guys think of it?

Gotta say, I love watching Japan play. Great skill, and such a good tactical understanding of movement and space and so good at linking up play quickly. Made the US girls look amateurish quite a bit (especially the central backs who spent most of the game ball watching). Of course, the US has some fantastic players who also happen to be fantastic athletes, and IMO that athleticism in particular trumped Japan's flowing game.

I wonder though- did the US coach instruct the players to be selfish? Seemed like the key players (outside of Wambach) would get the ball, put their heads down and just go until they lost the ball or forced a shot from distance/poor angles. It was so consistent I have to assume it was part of their game plan. Hell- even on Lloyd's screamer of a goal I was practically yelling at her to pass to either of two players who had made great runs to either side of her and were wide open bursting towards goal. But no- she dribbles straight at the defense through 3 or 4 players and hits that... well- golaso. Great shot, terrible play. :shrug: And that was Morgan's night in a nutshell- don't get me wrong, great player who still had an impactful meaningful game for the US... but just PASS the ball! There were far more goals for the US out there if the extra pass had been made, IMO.

And fwiw- Morgan is a 6 at best. There, I said it.
Saw a picture of her in a Man U jersey yesterday. Now it's a 2, at best.
 
Abby Wambach is an absolute beast. Her physical dominance over her competition is greater than I think I've ever seen in men's soccer. Is she the greatest female soccer player ever?

 
Abby Wambach is an absolute beast. Her physical dominance over her competition is greater than I think I've ever seen in men's soccer. Is she the greatest female soccer player ever?
Martha is/was pretty dope too. And that German broad... Prinz? The US player who had Chronic Fatigue Syndrome... I can visualize her, but can't think of her name- she was also head and shoulders better than the competition (including teammates Hamm etc).
 

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