I'm not sure what you have in mind here. There is no way in the world that the MLS revenue stream is going to come close to being on par with European leagues over the next 5, hell, 25 years.If I was a young, talented soccer player, I'd jump to Europe in a heart beat, for much larger pay checks and the chance to play against the best in the world, in front of huge crowds. It sucks that he wasn't good enough to hit the pitch over in Europe, but perhaps he will catch on somewhere else.andy_b said:
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B Maverick
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Some United news that is good news.... Evra signs extended contract with United
Patrice Evra is confident this year's Champions League success will be the start of a golden era for Manchester United.
Sir Alex Ferguson has frequently stated Europe remains an unfulfilled promise as far as United are concerned.
Neither of the Red Devils' previous two European Cup wins have been built on, although hopes are high the situation will change following the penalty shoot-out triumph over Chelsea in Moscow last month.
Evra certainly thinks so. And after becoming the final member of Ferguson's back four at the Luzhniki Stadium to sign a contract extension, the former Monaco star is looking to the future with relish.
'I am sure that the success we have earned in the last two seasons confirms the history of this club and will be the start of something even more special,' said Evra, who has signed a four-year deal.
Evra has evolved into one of the best left-backs in the world, which seemed an unlikely prospect following his £5million arrival from France in January 2006.
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Some good Euro games today. Dutch v France and Italy v Romania. Can the Dutch keep it going and can Italy rebound from their worst Euro defeat ever??
Patrice Evra is confident this year's Champions League success will be the start of a golden era for Manchester United.
Sir Alex Ferguson has frequently stated Europe remains an unfulfilled promise as far as United are concerned.
Neither of the Red Devils' previous two European Cup wins have been built on, although hopes are high the situation will change following the penalty shoot-out triumph over Chelsea in Moscow last month.
Evra certainly thinks so. And after becoming the final member of Ferguson's back four at the Luzhniki Stadium to sign a contract extension, the former Monaco star is looking to the future with relish.
'I am sure that the success we have earned in the last two seasons confirms the history of this club and will be the start of something even more special,' said Evra, who has signed a four-year deal.
Evra has evolved into one of the best left-backs in the world, which seemed an unlikely prospect following his £5million arrival from France in January 2006.
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Some good Euro games today. Dutch v France and Italy v Romania. Can the Dutch keep it going and can Italy rebound from their worst Euro defeat ever??
The Z Machine
Footballguy
B Mav, what do you think about the potential Ronaldo for Sergio Ramos + Robinho + ~70m€ swap?
B Maverick
Footballguy
Tough question. On the one hand you have the best player in the world. On the other hand, you get a top right back which allows them to get rid of wes brown who is crap, you get a very good LMF to replace Ronaldo and you get $$ to buy players or help with the glazor financial situation. Plus Anderson and Nani showed flashes and could be huge too.42 goals is a lot to lose. They would need Rooney and Tevez to become the prolific scorers they can be (like Ruud was and Ronaldo is) and they will need more goals out of the MF.I dont think they can go wrong either way honestly. I would love Ronaldo to stay and go for the Treble but I think Fergie can make the right moves and not lose a beat. He has shown that in the past, selling becks and ruud, getting ronaldo and rooney and tevez. As much as i want them to keep Ronaldo, if this Real row becomes a distraction it may not be worth it to keep him (see chad J in cinci).
andy_b
Footballguy
I am not referring to the big 4 (England, Germany, Italy and Spain), MLS will never have the revenue to match these. In that I agree with you 100%.MLS is losing young players to the Scandinavian leagues in ever increasing numbers. MLS has more revenue already than most of these smaller leagues ever will.
But the MLS pay structure is really messed up on the low end. They continually low ball players, and instead save their money for a few big names spinkled through out the league.
In the past few years MLS has come into a ton of money in expansion fees, control of numerous stadiums revenues, the new TV deal with Disney, the new TV deal with Univision, the ever increasing strength and power of SUM , the multiple shirt sponsorship deals that are now bringing in, in some cases, millions of $'s a year and many more items that has the league more flush with cash than it ever has in its existence.
MLS will never match the big 4 Euro leagues but do not be fooled in thinking this is 2001 anymore when MLS was being run on a shoe string budget.
Even the business world is noticing.
The Envelope Please: Inaugural Sports Business Awards Given Out
Eleven awards were presented last night in a ceremony at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel in N.Y. for the inaugural Sports Business Awards presented by SportsBusiness Journal and SportsBusiness Daily. Winners included AEG President & CEO Tim Leiweke for Sports Executive of the Year, MLS for Pro League, the Red Sox for Pro Team, Octagon for Sports Agency and Fox Sports for Sports Media. See below for the full list of winners.
The winners' reactions ranged from pride to humble gratitude, with an "our-work-is-not-done" theme prevalent throughout the night. Leiweke said, “This is really kind of embarrassing for us. We try not to get focused on awards. It’s a great tribute to AEG, but we firmly believe our best days are still ahead of us.” MLS Commissioner Don Garber: “This is a great statement about dedicated ownership, passionate fans, sponsors that believe in a sport and broadcasters that are willing to take a risk.”
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Correct...use the NBA as an analogy....the money will always be in Europe just like the basketball money will always be in USA.That is a cultural tide that isn't changing anytime soon.
But back to the original point, MLS kids that jump over need to make sure they do what Adu and Altidore are doing/did...get loaned out or go to a situation where you will play...they don't necessarily need to stay in MLS.
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i dont think the 4 teams from Group A and B which advance play each other until 1 team is left who then is in the finals. Because Greece met Portugal in the finals of Euro 04 even though they both started off in Group A.
andy_b
Footballguy
This is too myopic a view. Europe spans more than the normal big countries you think think of.LHUCKS said:
huh?? Freddy saw very little time this season. Its not a good situation at all for him to be in at his age. If it doesn't change in the coming year he could do some serious harm to his development. Training sessions only go so far.
B Maverick
Footballguy
I disagree with part of what you are saying here. This is teh best thing that could have happened to Adu at this age. He was already displaying his entitlement and his immaturity at being the savior of US Soccer. He was blaming DC for him not being at the last WC, not being a team player and acting like a spoiled athlete. His move to Benfica appears to have humbled him a bit and hopefully has helped him grow up. It was a major need for his development. HOWEVER, i do agree that in order for him to progress he needs to be playing. Prefer it be for Benfica but it needs to be somewhere with good competition. If he toils on the bench in the coming season it will hurt his development and could revert him back to the entitled player he was in DC.Altidore is different. He needs to play now and learn to be the target guy and the goal scorer we need.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
My understanding was that his playing time has steadily increased and that he is becoming an impact player there...is this inaccurate?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
huh? what do countries have to do with anything...La Liga, Premiership etc. etc. Euro leagues are where the money is at.
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Short Corner
Footballguy
All A/B teams will be in the same half of the bracket this year.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
This year's euro tourney is organized differently than prior tournaments in this respect. Groups A and B are completely seperate from B and C until the final. This would mean, for example, if Germany were to finish second in Group B, it will play Portugal in the first quarterfinal round (as Portugal has already clinched group A). Germany could then have a re-match with Croatia in the semi-final game. (but we get to far ahead of ourselves here as I think Austria has to be a major concern for the Germans right now).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2008
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
MUTU!!!
Romania 1 - 0 Italy. The world champs are in trouble...
ETA - Ummm. I guess not - 1-1
Romania 1 - 0 Italy. The world champs are in trouble...
ETA - Ummm. I guess not - 1-1
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
I've grown to hate the Italians on the pitch...ever since their dog#### play vs. the U.S. in the last world Cup...I hope they get spanked!! Flopping bastards.
andy_b
Footballguy
Not every country has leagues as big and cash rich as the big 4 leagues. There are 53 Div 1 leagues in Europe.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I think the point Andy is hinting at is that the money is better even outside the major leagues which are comparable to the NBA such as EPL, Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, Ehre Divisie, Ligue 1. With the US dollar where it is today, a player like Bocanegra would make more money in the English Championship league or one of the other minor UK leagues like Scotland (or Belgium, Sweden, Turkey, etc.) than he would make in the MLS (as noted by Grant Wahl in a recent column). These are truely minor leagues, with small club-like venues, small crowds and probably inferior competition as compared to MLS, but still would pay more and would arguably give the players a better exposure to one of the big leagues.
Foosball God
Foos
Did anyone see that head to head collision in the Romania/Italy game? I was at lunch at a sports bar and happened to see it. The dude looked like he was in pretty rough shape.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Gotcha...that makes more sense.
andy_b
Footballguy
yes, it is almost 180 degrees wrong.he started well and was having an early impact and then as the year went on he saw less and less time, until finally rarely seeing the field.Freddy only appeared 11 times (most as a sub) in all competitions for Benefica.
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Short Corner
Footballguy
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Wow, Romania misses a PK!
Short Corner
Footballguy
That guy is seriously bummed...looks ready to cry.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
wow...the US media has greatly exaggerated his presence there. During the Argentina friendly the announcers specifically said he'd been doing well there. Anybody else catch that comment?? Also, I watch La Liga on Fox Soccer and he looked pretty good in one of the recent matches(about a month ago)
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Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
La Liga?Isn't Benfica in the Portuguese league?La Liga is Spain, no?
andy_b
Footballguy
Are we talking about the same player? Freddy doesn't play in Spain, he plays in Portugal.
andy_b
Footballguy
I think we are getting punked here. This has to
B Maverick
Footballguy
When did John Terry become a member of the Romanian team????Great save by Buffon. Got his hand AND foot on the ball.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
No, I think it's LHucks spouting off about something he knows little aboutShocking, I knowI think we are getting punked here. This has to
B Maverick
Footballguy
Thats because the media treat Adu like Madden treats Brett Favre.... whole lota manlove!!!!
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I'm sorry...didn't mean Liga.
ffldrew
Footballguy
Must be - Fox Soccer doesn't carry La Liga or Portuguese Liga - except on highlightsI think we are getting punked here. This has to
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
this is admittedly true
LHUCKS
Footballguy
must be ESPN then, because I get liga games on one of my zillion digital cable channels
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Mjolnirs
Footballguy
So he did miss it? The ticker shows the score 1:1, but also list the pk in the score line and have an icon beside the notation of a scored PK.etaNevermind, they've changed it.
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andy_b
Footballguy
how many more things can one person get wrong in a sentence? Isn't there a point when you do this so many times you have a sense of pride to educate yourself before posting?Must be - Fox Soccer doesn't carry La Liga or Portuguese Liga - except on highlightsI think we are getting punked here. This has to
B Maverick
Footballguy
Italy is in trouble. What a poor game by italy outside their goal. Buffon saved them on the PK.
looking forward to a good game France v Netherlands.
ETA i must say it wad Toni and the strikers that were poor, too many untouched crosses in the box and chances wasted.
Buffon had a great day and kept them in it.
looking forward to a good game France v Netherlands.
ETA i must say it wad Toni and the strikers that were poor, too many untouched crosses in the box and chances wasted.
Buffon had a great day and kept them in it.
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andy_b
Footballguy
please stop.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
B Maverick
Footballguy
B Maverick
Footballguy
maybe one of his zillion channels is ESPN La Liga?oh and 100 PAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
Ugh, and I thought it was bad when I assumed that Becks was playing in his tradiational position on the RMF and not in the middle for the Galaxy. The Galaxy play the Earhquakes tomorrow, and I think I'm gonna get tix. It'll be my first MLS game since the first season with Campos in the goal for the Galaxy.
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
andy_b
Footballguy
Its not so bad since he does move around the field quite a bit but you won't see him camped on the right side like you have at other clubs.I heard tickets were selling very well. I think they broke the 30k mark today and expect to sell the game out on walk up sales.Although I assume no Donovan right?
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
I dunno. since I don't follow MLS closely, I don't know his status. I would assume that he's with the USMNT for the qualifying on Sunday though.I'm still trying to figure out which jersey to wear: US, Mexico, Morocco, or Venezuela.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Gol TV shows La Liga (along with the Bundesliga and a couple of South and Central American leagues). That's the station with that nutball Ray Hudson doing color commentary. They did Copa America last summer. Don't think anyone carries Portugal's liga in the States though, maybe Setanta on satellite. Onto better things - The "Group of Death" moniker is fitting this time around - both World Cup Finalists are getting put to death in the group stage! (I know Italy will end up going through at the expense of Romania, but it's fun to dream though!!!)
B Maverick
Footballguy
2-0 to the dutch right now.
Holland break quickly. Robben races down the left and crosses for Van Persie, who smashes the ball at Coupet form pointblank range and the keeper can't stop the shot and it trickles over the line. GOAL!!!
The two Dutch subs combine brilliantly for the goal. Coupet was unlucky, he got a hand to the ball but the shot had such power he had no chance.
Holland break quickly. Robben races down the left and crosses for Van Persie, who smashes the ball at Coupet form pointblank range and the keeper can't stop the shot and it trickles over the line. GOAL!!!
The two Dutch subs combine brilliantly for the goal. Coupet was unlucky, he got a hand to the ball but the shot had such power he had no chance.
B Maverick
Footballguy
69'Sagnol gallops down the right flank as Henry races forward in support. Sagnol crosses and Henry gets in front of his defnder to guide the ball home. GOAL!!!
70'France are back in it now!
71'Van der Vaart spots the run of Robben and plays a long pass up to the forward. Robben has no support so he tkaes on Thuram and smashes a shot into the roof of the net from a tight angle. GOAL!!!
72'That was an amazing goal. How did Robben score from there?
3-1 Holland
70'France are back in it now!
71'Van der Vaart spots the run of Robben and plays a long pass up to the forward. Robben has no support so he tkaes on Thuram and smashes a shot into the roof of the net from a tight angle. GOAL!!!
72'That was an amazing goal. How did Robben score from there?
3-1 Holland
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