It reminds me of when he was dogging my man Crouchy a while back. I think Z does it just to be different.
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QuizGuy66
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Mercifully clipped to just the guts.This would be cool, eventually it would expand down to MLS9 at which point FBG could field our own team
-QG
kblitz
Footballguy
Drew RosenhausFan
Footballguy
just the USMNT. I also watch every ManU game i can, but i wouldnt say i'm a fan. I just like watching them play. (although not as much this year with ronaldo gone).
PIK95
Footballguy
Do you have any footballers on the books Drew?
Yeah, that was quite a read. I like the idea of a single table format. But this is too much. Just have the MLS teams in one league and try to negotiate a deal with USL to be the lower divisions.Mercifully clipped to just the guts.This would be cool, eventually it would expand down to MLS9 at which point FBG could field our own team
-QG
PIK95
Footballguy
This is a vg article. What they could do is start everyone MLS in league one and relagate into year two. I would actually go to a Revs game even if they were league two with this set up. It would make it very interesting.Edited to say I think thats what his plan was anyway. Oops. But no exceptions for DC or anyone. Play by the rules everyone.Yeah, that was quite a read. I like the idea of a single table format. But this is too much. Just have the MLS teams in one league and try to negotiate a deal with USL to be the lower divisions.Mercifully clipped to just the guts.This would be cool, eventually it would expand down to MLS9 at which point FBG could field our own team
-QG
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Drew RosenhausFan
Footballguy
meh, i tried, but couldnt deal with the currency switch.What the hell is a pound anyway?
El Floppo
Footballguy
Yeah, that was quite a read. I like the idea of a single table format. But this is too much. Just have the MLS teams in one league and try to negotiate a deal with USL to be the lower divisions.Mercifully clipped to just the guts.This would be cool, eventually it would expand down to MLS9 at which point FBG could field our own team
-QG
United with an absolutely dreadful lineup today - starting Carrick and Fletcher as central defenders, and Park and Evra on the wings. Midfield of Gibson, Nani, Scholes, Welbeck and Anderson - Owen up top, Kuzszak in goal 
I'll be watching the Juve/Bayern game. I can't see Bayern getting a win in Italy, but stranger things have happened
I'll be watching the Juve/Bayern game. I can't see Bayern getting a win in Italy, but stranger things have happened
Drew RosenhausFan
Footballguy
wow, that is quite awful.United with an absolutely dreadful lineup today - starting Carrick and Fletcher as central defenders, and Park and Evra on the wings. Midfield of Gibson, Nani, Scholes, Welbeck and Anderson - Owen up top, Kuzszak in goal
Native
Footballguy
2-1 Chelsea after 27 minutes. Apoel with an early goal but countered soon after by a blast from Essien from outside the box. On Chelseas second, Kakuta played a tremendous ball toZhirkov who crossed to Drogba for a clinical finish.
Essien just left the game with what looks like a leg/knee injury. Pretty bad for Chelsea if its serious.
Essien just left the game with what looks like a leg/knee injury. Pretty bad for Chelsea if its serious.
TitusIII
Footballguy
TitusIII - Manchester City....
Spent a year working in and around Manchester, loved rooting for the underdog. Glad to see they now have one of, if not the richest owners in the game. Going to be a fun decade for City fans...
As for the MLS relegation system...this absolutely needs to happen for me to take the MLS seriously. As it stands, it's quite the joke of a league. Doesn't one man/group own half the teams? Getting the best teams involved in some world-wide tournaments would help as well. Probably not going to happen though, I'm sure the powers that be are opposed to relegation for some ridiculous reason.
Spent a year working in and around Manchester, loved rooting for the underdog. Glad to see they now have one of, if not the richest owners in the game. Going to be a fun decade for City fans...
As for the MLS relegation system...this absolutely needs to happen for me to take the MLS seriously. As it stands, it's quite the joke of a league. Doesn't one man/group own half the teams? Getting the best teams involved in some world-wide tournaments would help as well. Probably not going to happen though, I'm sure the powers that be are opposed to relegation for some ridiculous reason.
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CletiusMaximus
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Speaking as a long-suffering Chelsea fan, while its great to finally win some hardware and to expect to be in the running for multiple trophies every season, being a fan of a nouveau riche club is often annoying. Forget your "rooting for the underdog" image. Regardless of who you are as a fan and how long you've been with City, you are now essentially a Yankee fan in the eyes of the world. Even fans of the largest, most successful clubs in the history of european soccer will now consider you a front runner by comparison.TitusIII said:
Native
Footballguy
In other words, damned if you do and damned if you dont.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
So I'm not sure if Atletico is out of Europa league now or what... They have a worse goal differential that APOEL who drew at Samford Bridge, but some places have them listed as the 3rd place finish...
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Wikipedia has them 3rd as well. Not sure
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Looks like they're 3rd. I'm not really sure how exactly.FWIW, they played horribly in CL this year. 3 draws and 5 losses, -9 goal differential. They lucked into Europa League and will likely #### themselves in the first game anyway.This team is just in tatters.Wikipedia has them 3rd as well. Not sure
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Tiebreakers, if necessary, are applied in the following order:Points earned in head-to-head matches between the tied teams.
Total goals scored in head-to-head matches between the tied teams.
Away goals scored in head-to-head matches between the tied teams.
Cumulative goal difference in all group matches.
Total goals scored in all group matches.
Higher UEFA coefficient going into the competition.
I'm not a fan of the away goals rule and this is a particularly bad application of it, but it looks like Atletico moves on.
Drew RosenhausFan
Footballguy
great little move from Obertan to set up Owen's 2nd goal.
at the end of the match, the announcers said that 2 CSKA Moscow players came back with positive doping tests. Could mean they lose their spot in the next round.
at the end of the match, the announcers said that 2 CSKA Moscow players came back with positive doping tests. Could mean they lose their spot in the next round.
magichat
Footballguy
Injuries, basically noone left in defence.How did Carrick look? He was decent back there against West Ham.Forgot to tape this, have to try and catch a replay. Been impressed whenever I've seen Wellbeck play though.Drew RosenhausFan said:wow, that is quite awful.guru_007 said:United with an absolutely dreadful lineup today - starting Carrick and Fletcher as central defenders, and Park and Evra on the wings. Midfield of Gibson, Nani, Scholes, Welbeck and Anderson - Owen up top, Kuzszak in goal
Let's just say, the central defense was in shambles and it showed. Constantly out of position and guys left free.But, the United defensive plan as a whole was solid. They clogged the middle with as many bodies as they could and made Wolfsburg try to break them down on the wings. Their lone goal was exactly what should have been done as they totally ran around Park, and crossed it into the box to a wide open Dzeko who couldn't help but to head it in. They had another chance, where exactly the same play was made, run around Park, cross, and the striker totally whiffed on the volley. Oh, Carrick also should have been called for a pk on a blatant foul in the box, not sure exactly how that was missed. Fletcher was a bit better defending, but still often out of position.And yes, the Obertan play was terrific. I see another Nani in him though, flashes of brilliance surrounded by hours of misplays.Injuries, basically noone left in defence.How did Carrick look? He was decent back there against West Ham.Forgot to tape this, have to try and catch a replay. Been impressed whenever I've seen Wellbeck play though.Drew RosenhausFan said:wow, that is quite awful.guru_007 said:United with an absolutely dreadful lineup today - starting Carrick and Fletcher as central defenders, and Park and Evra on the wings. Midfield of Gibson, Nani, Scholes, Welbeck and Anderson - Owen up top, Kuzszak in goalI'll be watching the Juve/Bayern game. I can't see Bayern getting a win in Italy, but stranger things have happened
Drew RosenhausFan
Footballguy
yeah, the carrick slide tackle should have been a foul. Grafite had an awful game for Wolfsburg
And the Obertan comparison with Nani makes sense. Too early to know though.
And the Obertan comparison with Nani makes sense. Too early to know though.
andy_b
Footballguy
no. AEG owns 1.5 teams and the Hunt family still owns 2 teams. All other teams are individually owned.FC Dallas - Hunt FamilyTitusIII said:
New England Revolution - Kraft family
NY Red Bulls - Red Bull Inc
Colorado Rapids - Stan Kronkee
Toronto - MAPLE LEAF SPORTS & ENTERTAINMENT
Chicago Fire - Andell Holdings
Chivas - Antonio Cué Sánchez-Navarro
DC United - William H.C. Chang
Columbus Crew - The Hunt family
Houston - AEG and Oscar De la Hoya
KC Wizards - OnGoal LLC
LA Galaxy - AEG
Philidelphia Union - Jay Sugarman (and other minority owners)
Real Salt Lake - David Checketts
San Jose Earthqaukes - Lew Wolff
Seattle Sounders - Joe Roth (and other minority owners like Drew Carey)
Both expansion sides Portland and Vancouver also have their own ownerships.
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yeah, was really shocked by how this game played out. Bayern took the play to Juve all game long.And Butt owns Juve with 3 CL goals against them...as goal keeper! Love it, his pk was awesome, Chelsea should look into signing this guyIvica Olić = moneyhe got the penalty kick and shot the second goal against Juve
TitusIII
Footballguy
Maybe, but I took a liking to them way before they were fortunate enough to luck into an ownership group with a bottomless wallet. I had a choice(8 years ago), to root for one of two teams during my stay in Manchester, and I picked City. If that makes me a front-runner, so be it...
andy_b
Footballguy
BMO Field (home to Toronto FC) has removed the field turf and will be putting down a proper grass playing surface.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/soccer/mls/a...ams-takes-shape
http://www.thestar.com/sports/soccer/mls/a...ams-takes-shape
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Nice
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Interesting. I was a bit skeptical when I saw what you posted, but after reading the article it sounds fine. The weather isn't always "spring"-like in March, but the underground heating should be good. I checked and TFC doesn't have a home game til April 17 anyway. As the Only FFA Fan of Toronto FC, I approve of this.Regardless, they had been talking about it for awhile for FIFA purposes. I think they want the stadium to be the official home of the Canadian Men's National Team, and this was one of the steps they were taking to ensure that.
magichat
Footballguy
Yep, bizarre play from Wolfsburg. Carrick and Fletcher really didnt know what to do - saw lots of unmarked bodies on set pieces too (one point blank header that should have scored early was Fletcher's man but he never saw him). They should have really just kept pumping the ball in between the two of them and waited for the inevitable. The run that led to Carrick fouling in the box was a classic example that they really didnt know how to react. My utd updateLet's just say, the central defense was in shambles and it showed. Constantly out of position and guys left free.But, the United defensive plan as a whole was solid. They clogged the middle with as many bodies as they could and made Wolfsburg try to break them down on the wings. Their lone goal was exactly what should have been done as they totally ran around Park, and crossed it into the box to a wide open Dzeko who couldn't help but to head it in. They had another chance, where exactly the same play was made, run around Park, cross, and the striker totally whiffed on the volley. Oh, Carrick also should have been called for a pk on a blatant foul in the box, not sure exactly how that was missed. Fletcher was a bit better defending, but still often out of position.And yes, the Obertan play was terrific. I see another Nani in him though, flashes of brilliance surrounded by hours of misplays.Injuries, basically noone left in defence.How did Carrick look? He was decent back there against West Ham.Forgot to tape this, have to try and catch a replay. Been impressed whenever I've seen Wellbeck play though.wow, that is quite awful.United with an absolutely dreadful lineup today - starting Carrick and Fletcher as central defenders, and Park and Evra on the wings. Midfield of Gibson, Nani, Scholes, Welbeck and Anderson - Owen up top, Kuzszak in goal
ark still sucks (well, not sucks so much, just huffs and puffs without ever actually achieving anything)Obertan looks very coltish in a sadly David Bellion kind of way. Nani is much more polished (actually I think he's hugely talented) but somehow cant seem to learn the basics. I think his time might be up - he certainly seems very low on confidence too. I can see him doing a "Forlan" and blossoming somewhere else.Wellbeck crapped the bed a bit, not ready.Scholes is really playing well in the 3 man midfield.Kusczak is growing on me.Nice to see Owen still has something to offer - Wolfsburg defence not really up to it though.Bad Bad sign that the busy spell is about to start with so many on the sidelines. Villa might test the merits of the 1-8-1 formation this weekend..
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andy_b
Footballguy
cool if it goes through. Although very tough for Galaxy fans to swallow. This may kill their solid fan base. If this goes through and is structured like Becks loans, both Landon and Becks won't be back to MLS until after the WChttp://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...ers&cc=5901
I think he would be better in Italy, but I would be happy to see him in the EPL.
kerpow
Footballguy
This is a win-win move for me. Everton, who I support, get a decent player for free to help cover injuries. English defenders will familiarise themselves with the best American player before the WC.
Allegiances
International: England
EPL: Everton
MLS: Columbus Crew
Allegiances
International: England
EPL: Everton
MLS: Columbus Crew
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Senor Schmutzig
Footballguy
Everton.
kerpow
Footballguy
His ego got in the way. He thought he was better than he really was and started whinning when he didn't get enough playing time.In his defense:1. He was very young - just 162. Bayer Leverkusen were extremely good - almost won the Bundersleaga, almost won the Champions League (got the nickname Bayer Neverkusen) 3. A revolving door of coaches4. He was competing for a place with the best young German player of the decade - some guy called Michael Ballack
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