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TLEF316 said:
FWIW Najar's agent denied the report that he'd chosen Honduras
Really interesting article here on this subject of Honduran media making things up and possibly causing problems.Andy Najar, Honduras And His Media-Driven National Team Tug Of War

By Brian Straus

Senior Soccer Writer

Andy Najar has never been a big fan of the press.

"When you're a professional, you know that your job is to play but also you have other duties, and talking to the press is one of them. I'm starting to understand that more and more," he told me last fall, toward the conclusion of his rookie of the year season with D.C. United.

He said this during a one-on-one interview at RFK Stadium, from which I had been covering soccer for various publications for a decade.

In all that time, I had never encountered a player more ill at ease while talking to a reporter, and that included high school and college kids, non-English speakers and even Mia Hamm.

Najar spent twice as much time looking down at his phone as he did looking at me.

There certainly are mitigating factors. He's shy -- especially when dealing with English speakers he doesn't know -- and he's a 17-year-old from small-town Honduras for whom change has happened very fast.

In the spring of 2009 he was a high school student in Alexandria, Va. A year later he was playing in MLS and on his way to becoming the inspiration for a tug-of-war between fans and media in his native and adopted countries. It's been the question on everybody's lips. What nation will the teenager with the dazzling footwork and an on-field maturity beyond his years choose to represent?

"It's normal for fans to ask me that question," he told me. "you have your supporters that support their national team and they would like to know one way or the other. I tell them just to be patient and that I haven't made up my mind."

That message seems to have been well received here in the U.S., where most people understand the complexities of the citizenship process, Bob Bradley's depth chart and the teenage brain.

His Catracho compatriots, however, have afforded Najar no such courtesy.

The Honduran media, and we can only assume that they're fueled by the interest of their readers, has been relentless. Stories about which way he may or may not be leaning are a regular occurrence, and accuracy appears to be far less important than frequency and intrigue.

Of particular note was a November story in La Tribuna in which Najar's father was quoted saying that his son might be leaning toward the U.S. after he rejected an offer to join Honduras for a friendly against Panama. It turned out those quotes were inaccurate, and that league and tutoring commitments were among the reasons for his decision.

That had to have been a stress that Najar and his family didn't need.

In recent days, Honduras under-20 coach Javier Padilla has been telling reporters that he plans to travel to the U.S. to try and entice Najar to play in April's World Cup qualifying tournament.

That preseason distraction was compounded on Wednesday by an article in Diario Deportivo Diez that appeared after a Diez reporter interviewed Najar at D.C. United's preseason training camp in Florida. That reporter decided to write that Najar gave a "press conference" and pledged his international future to Honduras.

Here's what Najar actually said (translated):

"Let's say that I've already decided to play for Honduras -- we've thought about it a lot and it would be an honor to be able to represent my country, the land where I was born. I haven't formally received the callup from the under 20s."

Najar was speaking hypothetically -- that if he were to play for his native country, that he would consider it an honor. The Diez report omitted that qualifier and, instead, wrote that Najar had made his final decision.

"Andy was misquoted by whoever it is who wrote this," Najar's agent, Chris Megaloudis, told FanHouse in an email. "I spoke to Andy afterward and he confirmed that while he is closer to making a decision he has by no means chosen one over the other. When the time is right he will address the media."

He may have to do so shotgun-wedding style.

Given Najar's existing aversion to the press, the borderline harassment he's getting from back home is not going to make American reporters' jobs any easier. Furthermore, it ultimately may backfire on Honduras.

It's not impossible to imagine a fed-up Najar deciding that he wants no part of the Catracho circus and pledging his international future to the U.S. It brings to mind Princess Leia's warning to the Imperial general in Star Wars -- "The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

Should newly-appointed Honduras coach Juan Carlos Osorio ask Najar to play in this summer's CONCACAF Gold Cup, it could force the player's hand. It also could push Najar -- who has said repeatedly that he wants to focus on building his career at D.C. United -- further away.

There are times we lament the fact that the U.S. is not as fanatical about soccer as many other countries. But that can be a blessing, too.

It's the reason that players like Guillermo Barros Schelotto and Thierry Henry consider coming to MLS. And it may be a factor in steering Najar toward a far saner, and potentially more rewarding, international career in the red, white and blue. That option may be worth the wait.

"I'm grateful to this country because it has give me an opportunity to play professionals soccer. That was always my dream, and like most Latin Americans who come here,I came looking for a better opportunity in life," he told me last fall. "When I got here to the US, I told myself that I wanted to be something in life."

 
If this winter is not enough to convince people that MLS can't go to a traditional schedule, then nothing will change their minds.
I don't get your point. Are you saying because they'd have to cancel a few games it's untenable?
a few games? It would have been SIGNIFICANTLY more than a few games. And its not just the canceling of games that would the issue. It would be the enormous drop in attendance at the games that could be played coupled with the incredible drop in quality that would come from playing on pitches that were frozen. MLS attendance drops on warm weather rainy summer nights much less expecting fans to go out to games in these conditions. It is almost a total non-starter from a business perspective. Any one who follows the business side of the league realizes this.

If MLS was playing this winter, it would have lost so much money that the league may have placed itself in jeopardy.

If you followed the business side of the league closer, you would know that a significant amount of the leagues revenue comes from game day attendance. If you followed the business side even a smidgen, you would realize that in the vast majority of the cities, the majority of MLS attendance is made up of single game ticket sales. The league does not yet have the season ticket base to help support the serious revenue issues that consistent inclement weather would bring.

I personally would LOVE MLS to be a fall spring schedule so you are 100% wrong about that. But I have educated myself on the topic over the past 16 years of the league and realize that the league, for many different reasons, it not yet ready to support a fall spring schedule.

I get the feeling from many of your MLS comments that you really don't follow the business side of the league too closely. You also don't seem to appreciate that MLS would likely not be covered any where near as much on ESPN if it was a fall/spring schedule which would cost the league some important visibility and revenue.

You can throw around the term "weak argument" all you want but I will stand by my knowledge of the leagues business side.
Andy, you are being way too sensitive about this. Just say you think attendance will be hurt up against football. That's believable and at least an understandable argument even if I disagree long term. But to say the weather makes it impossible is a non sequitur as many nations do follow the standard schedule with just as bad weather. There are things that can be done.
 
TLEF316 said:
FWIW Najar's agent denied the report that he'd chosen Honduras
Really interesting article here on this subject of Honduran media making things up and possibly causing problems.Andy Najar, Honduras And His Media-Driven National Team Tug Of War

By Brian Straus

Senior Soccer Writer
Interesting, but still 90% speculation
 
Interesting, but still 90% speculation
Yeah, that article was almost as egregious as the Honduran article by presuming to peer into Najar's mind and soul and divine a scenario where he's hounded into our arms.
:shrug:One article is saying this IS what Najar is doing, the other says he might do this or not. At least the US based article was clear about it's own speculation and also qualified every one of his statements suggesting Najar's intent;I'm not getting the reaction here.
 
NewlyRetired said:
Bradley has been cleared to play against Fulham.
He's been getting a little pub over there too. Hopefully he doesn't try to do too much but the kid plays like he's 30 so maybe I shouldn't worry about it.
Interesting that it they loaned out Stephen Ireland to make room for Bradley. Ireland looked sooooo good for City- also interesting to see that Houllier was quoted as saying Ireland wasn't working hard enough, which certainly won't be the case with Bradley. Hopefully Bradley's decision making speed will be enough to handle the middle of the field successfully.Speaking of middle of the field... I noticed Spector wasn't even dressed for the Hammer's last game- any news?

 
Interesting, but still 90% speculation
Yeah, that article was almost as egregious as the Honduran article by presuming to peer into Najar's mind and soul and divine a scenario where he's hounded into our arms.
:shrug:One article is saying this IS what Najar is doing, the other says he might do this or not. At least the US based article was clear about it's own speculation and also qualified every one of his statements suggesting Najar's intent;I'm not getting the reaction here.
A simple article could have just reported that Najar was misquoted. This article pyschoanalyzed the kid to the point of giving reasons he would shun his home country and play for the U.S. All without asking Najar for his thoughts on the matter. It made the entire process a bigger deal and probably gave some Honduran fans an excuse to resent the kid. I don't think it did Andy any favors if the decision is weighing heavily on him and he's already uncomfortable under the media spotlight.
 
Interesting that it they loaned out Stephen Ireland to make room for Bradley. Ireland looked sooooo good for City- also interesting to see that Houllier was quoted as saying Ireland wasn't working hard enough, which certainly won't be the case with Bradley. Hopefully Bradley's decision making speed will be enough to handle the middle of the field successfully.Speaking of middle of the field... I noticed Spector wasn't even dressed for the Hammer's last game- any news?
Ireland is an attacking central MF. He's a luxury Villa can't afford, particularly since they attack with both flank players.Spector has a dinged hammy.
 
Interesting that it they loaned out Stephen Ireland to make room for Bradley. Ireland looked sooooo good for City- also interesting to see that Houllier was quoted as saying Ireland wasn't working hard enough, which certainly won't be the case with Bradley. Hopefully Bradley's decision making speed will be enough to handle the middle of the field successfully.Speaking of middle of the field... I noticed Spector wasn't even dressed for the Hammer's last game- any news?
Ireland is an attacking central MF. He's a luxury Villa can't afford, particularly since they attack with both flank players.Spector has a dinged hammy.
Ashley Young makes Ireland redundant, which raises the question why they wanted Ireland in the first place. City really seemed desparate for Milner, had money burning holes in both pockets and a number of other players who could have helped Villa.
 
Interesting, but still 90% speculation
Yeah, that article was almost as egregious as the Honduran article by presuming to peer into Najar's mind and soul and divine a scenario where he's hounded into our arms.
:thumbup:One article is saying this IS what Najar is doing, the other says he might do this or not. At least the US based article was clear about it's own speculation and also qualified every one of his statements suggesting Najar's intent;I'm not getting the reaction here.
I wasn't criticizing you unless you were the original author. I don't expect the same journalistic standards from Fanhouse as I do the MSM. This article took the Honduran reports and spun them 720 degrees. Like I said, it was an interesting take but we have no more idea about Najar's intentions than we ever did.He's a good young player and I hope he eventually wears the US shirt. But this is a big country that has been able to produce quality midfielders. I don't think we should bend our immigration laws for a guy who can kick a ball. Now if he was a striker :unsure:
 
Interesting that it they loaned out Stephen Ireland to make room for Bradley. Ireland looked sooooo good for City- also interesting to see that Houllier was quoted as saying Ireland wasn't working hard enough, which certainly won't be the case with Bradley. Hopefully Bradley's decision making speed will be enough to handle the middle of the field successfully.Speaking of middle of the field... I noticed Spector wasn't even dressed for the Hammer's last game- any news?
Ireland is an attacking central MF. He's a luxury Villa can't afford, particularly since they attack with both flank players.Spector has a dinged hammy.
Ashley Young makes Ireland redundant, which raises the question why they wanted Ireland in the first place. City really seemed desparate for Milner, had money burning holes in both pockets and a number of other players who could have helped Villa.
Seems like they could have gotten Adebayor instead of Ireland and saved the money they spent on Bent. I don't know what Adebayor would have required salary wise, but it couldn't be much more than Bent.
 
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Seems like they could have gotten Adebayor instead of Ireland and saved the money they spent on Bent. I don't know what Adebayor would have required salary wise, but it couldn't be much more than Bent.
I doubt Adebayor was available last January. He was the preferred strike partner for Tevez in that period. He was only deemed surplus to requirements after they started playing Balotelli more and acquired Dzeko.But they might have given Lescott or Richards or one of the thousand other fullback/center backs City has. I'd have pushed for Vincent Kompany.
 
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Andy, you are being way too sensitive about this. Just say you think attendance will be hurt up against football. That's believable and at least an understandable argument even if I disagree long term. But to say the weather makes it impossible is a non sequitur as many nations do follow the standard schedule with just as bad weather. There are things that can be done.
1) Please stop putting words in my mouth. I do not believe football would hurt MLS attendance at least in the depth that would cause the league to lose significant revenue. MLS average attendance always goes up AFTER the NFL and College season start (we have been tracking the attendance over the 16 years every season with a fine tooth comb at Big Soccer). Also if you compare the demographics of MLS attendance (kids, moms, hispanics etc), it does not align with the demographics that go to football games for the most part. The league has published many detailed reports on this over the years.Again, if you followed this stuff you would know that. I am not expecting you to have followed it in the depth many others have for 16 years but throwing around flippant comments like "weak argument" with absolutely no real information to back it up is frustrating to read. It is like you already have made up your mind with out even wanting to educate yourself on the realities.

2) I presented numerous clear and concise reasons why the weather would be a disaster for MLS AT THIS POINT IN ITS LIFE. I can not predict the future nor would I ever try to. If you choose to ignore those reasons with a simple "well other countries do it", I don't know what else to say. :moneybag:

3) Using non MLS leagues who have an entirely different business models and different obstacles is absolutely meaningless as to why MLS should be able to play in the winter at this point in its maturity.

Maybe some day the league will mature to the point where it can support Fall-Spring, Promotion-Relegation etc but to quote Aragorn "today is not that day" :goodposting:

 
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Seems like they could have gotten Adebayor instead of Ireland and saved the money they spent on Bent. I don't know what Adebayor would have required salary wise, but it couldn't be much more than Bent.
I doubt Adebayor was available last January. He was the preferred strike partner for Tevez in that period. He was only deemed surplus to requirements after they started playing Balotelli more and acquired Dzeko.But they might have given Lescott or Richards or one of the thousand other fullback/center backs City has. I'd have pushed for Vincent Kompany.
I think Villa was for the most part a mess when that transfer happened. O'Neill quit in the middle of negotiations and there was a deadline. I doubt Adebayor was available but a guy like Santa Cruz or Jo almost certainly was. The problem I think is the folks at Villa didn't know what direction they were headed. O'Neill's philosophy is somewhat different than most and he had built a pure power team. Ireland of course doesn't fit that at all which leads me to believe that they were a bit directionless and just took a guy that had played well for City in the past. Btw, Ireland is completely crazy and while he may do well at Newcastle, it doesn't surprise me much that he doesn't always get on with management.
 
I presented numerous clear and concise reasons why the weather would be a disaster for MLS AT THIS POINT IN ITS LIFE.
Dude, I really don't care. You are going off the deep end at this point. All I said was that weather would not prevent such a schedule. That's it. I didn't put words in your mouth as I clearly stated just say. Moving on.
 
I presented numerous clear and concise reasons why the weather would be a disaster for MLS AT THIS POINT IN ITS LIFE.
Dude, I really don't care. You are going off the deep end at this point. All I said was that weather would not prevent such a schedule. That's it. I didn't put words in your mouth as I clearly stated just say. Moving on.
good call. If you don't have any useful information probably best to not discuss.

 
Seems like they could have gotten Adebayor instead of Ireland and saved the money they spent on Bent. I don't know what Adebayor would have required salary wise, but it couldn't be much more than Bent.
I doubt Adebayor was available last January. He was the preferred strike partner for Tevez in that period. He was only deemed surplus to requirements after they started playing Balotelli more and acquired Dzeko.But they might have given Lescott or Richards or one of the thousand other fullback/center backs City has. I'd have pushed for Vincent Kompany.
I think Villa was for the most part a mess when that transfer happened. O'Neill quit in the middle of negotiations and there was a deadline. I doubt Adebayor was available but a guy like Santa Cruz or Jo almost certainly was. The problem I think is the folks at Villa didn't know what direction they were headed. O'Neill's philosophy is somewhat different than most and he had built a pure power team. Ireland of course doesn't fit that at all which leads me to believe that they were a bit directionless and just took a guy that had played well for City in the past. Btw, Ireland is completely crazy and while he may do well at Newcastle, it doesn't surprise me much that he doesn't always get on with management.
yeah, that makes pretty good sense. I like Houllier more than a lot of people do but he took on a big challenge in stepping in when he did. It's easy to say Villa is a big club and should be challenging for Europe or shouldn't be playing Heskey but some of those changes can't happen overnight. They're definitely not out of danger yet but I think their prospects are better than they were two months ago, in spite of their table position.
 
Seems like they could have gotten Adebayor instead of Ireland and saved the money they spent on Bent. I don't know what Adebayor would have required salary wise, but it couldn't be much more than Bent.
I doubt Adebayor was available last January. He was the preferred strike partner for Tevez in that period. He was only deemed surplus to requirements after they started playing Balotelli more and acquired Dzeko.But they might have given Lescott or Richards or one of the thousand other fullback/center backs City has. I'd have pushed for Vincent Kompany.
I think Villa was for the most part a mess when that transfer happened. O'Neill quit in the middle of negotiations and there was a deadline. I doubt Adebayor was available but a guy like Santa Cruz or Jo almost certainly was. The problem I think is the folks at Villa didn't know what direction they were headed. O'Neill's philosophy is somewhat different than most and he had built a pure power team. Ireland of course doesn't fit that at all which leads me to believe that they were a bit directionless and just took a guy that had played well for City in the past. Btw, Ireland is completely crazy and while he may do well at Newcastle, it doesn't surprise me much that he doesn't always get on with management.
yeah, that makes pretty good sense. I like Houllier more than a lot of people do but he took on a big challenge in stepping in when he did. It's easy to say Villa is a big club and should be challenging for Europe or shouldn't be playing Heskey but some of those changes can't happen overnight. They're definitely not out of danger yet but I think their prospects are better than they were two months ago, in spite of their table position.
For me, the jury is still out on Houllier. While they are playing better, not impressed with the Bent move. I never thought Villa would relegate but am just not yet sold that Houllier can replicate O'Neill's success.
 
It seems to me that Houllier has shored up Villa's two biggest holes. Lack of a striker who actually scores goals (Villa has a glut of attacking players who do other admirable things but almost never score: Gabby, Heskey, Young . . .) and some steel in the spine of the team (Makoun and Bradley).

They probably could use some help in the back four as well, but I could discern a plan in what Villa were doing.

In contrast, Spurs got Pinnear, a player I don't think they need, and chased Rossi, a player I don't think would have fit what they're trying to do. They did chase Carroll, apparently, and I think that move would have made sense.

 
Bayern's Gomez with a goal to make it 1-0 over Köln midway through the first half. Gomez currently the leading scorer in the Bundesliga.

 
Stop giving the ball away, Lucas.... please
Never been a fan. Wish they had offloaded him in the window.
They are falling all over themselves to anoint this guy the face of the team over at RAWK. He's a decent enough player, but I don't get it.
I think this guy and Skrtl are part and parcel of Liverpool's defensive issues. Lucas is a starter for a lower table team, not a contender for Europe.
Saw him yesterday with 4 guys around the box, just turn and drive it into a defender. The rebound shot out of the area, and Liverpool lost the advantage. He's just dreadful.
I'm not that down on him...

There was a stat I read or heard that over a three game period he had missed on only 6 passes. Also, in the FA Cup match against ManU, he single handedly kept them in the game when they were down a man. He's shown some great flashes, but he's just not as consistent as you'd like from a 24yo Brazilian international.

Skrtel on the other hand, is having a baaaad year.

 
not that I'd usually choose to watch a Sunderland v Stoke game, but that 2nd half was very entertaining.

really looking forward to Fulham v Aston Villa... ESPN announcers mentioned that Bradley wouldn't be starting, but might be dressed and/or seeing time.

 
I'm not that down on him...

There was a stat I read or heard that over a three game period he had missed on only 6 passes. Also, in the FA Cup match against ManU, he single handedly kept them in the game when they were down a man. He's shown some great flashes, but he's just not as consistent as you'd like from a 24yo Brazilian international.

Skrtel on the other hand, is having a baaaad year.
That's interesting to hear about Lucas' passing. Feels like I routinely see him making the poor pass at the wrong time getting his team in trouble... but I had no idea he was only 24, so as long as he's improving, I can see why Liverpool might stick with him. Also seems like his positioning and steel are lacking- but the former should improve as well over time.I didn't like Fletcher at all when he broke into United's lineup for some of the same reasons. He's not great IMO, but he's improved to be a consistent and important part of that team, anchoring the space in front of the back four extremely well and getting forward tirelessly as well.

 
How would a late summer - late spring schedule work for MLS, if it were even to happen? Would teams like Toronto FC play homestands early and late in the season and play all their games in the US south during the winter? Just going off my experiences of the games I've been to at BMO Field - the stadium is basically right on the water and the winds can get pretty blustery in the stands. Toronto, like most Canadian cities, is absolutely frigid in December/January/etc. Taking into account the stadium's location, I don't think the wind chill would get above 0 degrees Fahrenheit more than 50% of the time, and I think you could probably count on 1 hand the number of times it'd be above freezing during those months.

I know the fans are die-hard, but that's just miserable sports-watching weather.

Obviously there are work-arounds...FC Dallas, Houston, LA (Galaxy and Chivas) would probably need to play long homestands during that time.

 
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Terrible collapse by Bayern in the second half. Despite bringing on Klose and Ribery they couldn't get back into the game.

 
Pretty glad I set this one to DVR....3-0 within the first 10 minutes :lmao:
4-0 and the crowd shows a group of guys heading down into the concourse. "Some fans are leaving already....or maybe they're just going for a halftime cup of tea - 20 minutes before the halftime whistle"
Those guys might be kicking themselves for leaving early. This has turned into a classic. :popcorn:
What a truly amazing game. I was just half watching it in the 2nd half til suddenly the game was afoot. I wish I'd taped it
 
And Blackpool continues its collapse. Things are looking down by the sea.

 
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Pretty glad I set this one to DVR....3-0 within the first 10 minutes :lmao:
4-0 and the crowd shows a group of guys heading down into the concourse. "Some fans are leaving already....or maybe they're just going for a halftime cup of tea - 20 minutes before the halftime whistle"
Those guys might be kicking themselves for leaving early. This has turned into a classic. :popcorn:
Monumental collapse....Diaby can't keep it together and then they just can't hack it..
 
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Pretty glad I set this one to DVR....3-0 within the first 10 minutes :lmao:
4-0 and the crowd shows a group of guys heading down into the concourse. "Some fans are leaving already....or maybe they're just going for a halftime cup of tea - 20 minutes before the halftime whistle"
Those guys might be kicking themselves for leaving early. This has turned into a classic. :popcorn:
Monumental collapse....Diaby can't keep it together and then they just can't hack it..
There's only one Joey Barton
 
Pretty glad I set this one to DVR....3-0 within the first 10 minutes :lmao:
4-0 and the crowd shows a group of guys heading down into the concourse. "Some fans are leaving already....or maybe they're just going for a halftime cup of tea - 20 minutes before the halftime whistle"
Those guys might be kicking themselves for leaving early. This has turned into a classic. :popcorn:
Monumental collapse....Diaby can't keep it together and then they just can't hack it..
There's only one Joey Barton
I wonder how many times MotM went to the guy who committed the foul that sparked the comeback?
 
There's only one Joey Barton
Draws a red card (completely deserved) and converts 2 PKs...can't ask for much more than that. If I lived in Newcastle, I think I'd be worried that he might kill a hooker tonight in celebration or something.I don't understand the Squillaci-for-Djourou substitution, and I think it seriously impacted the game. I've been tremendously critical of Djourou in recent years, but he's been alright this year. I'd prefer both Koscielny and Vermaelen to him, but he looks to have matured a bit this season. Squillaci, on the other hand....just hasn't been good, for the most part. Did I miss something? Was Djourou hurt? I know he was nicked up a bit in the first half, but he started the second half...maybe he just couldn't go? I can't find anything about an injury in the news at the moment. If that was a tactical move, it was a rare tactical blunder from Wenger.

Bottom line is that teams don't challenge for the title with defenders as bad as Arsenal's are. I knew they wouldn't, but I can't help but think that they should've picked up a defender or two in the transfer window....especially a center back. With Vermaelen out, Koscielny is really the only legit CB they have...and you're not gonna win the league if you can't keep a team (who just sold their best striker this week, no less) from scoring 4 goals in the last 30 minutes.

Also, are Leon Best and Drake the same person?

 
Djourou was hurt. He started the second half but couldn't make a go of it.

I'm surprised Arsenal didn't do something to strengthen their defense during the transfer window. On the other hand, the club did announce an annual profit of around GBP55M, which is pretty impressive compared to Chelsea's GBP77M deficit. The stat of the week for me was Arsenal's entire starting XI from the midweek game cost the club only GBP40M in transfer fees.

 

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