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MLS Stat of the day

By this point In the 2000 season, 33.6% of the games played had attendance under 10k

This season that number has been reduced to 7.7%.

 
Could the London riots cause any games to be rescheduled this week?
London riots force cup postponementsReuters - 4 hours agoLONDON - West Ham United's English League Cup game against Aldershot and Charlton Athletic's match with Reading on Tuesday have been postponed due to the riots sweeping London."West Ham United have been asked by the police to postpone the first-round tie with Aldershot Town tomorrow night," a West Ham statement said on Monday."The club were contacted this evening and told that all major public events in London were to be rearranged because of the need to focus police resources elsewhere."A statement from south London club Charlton added: "With rioting taking place across London, officials were in contact with police throughout Monday evening. Clearly the most important factor is people's safety. The police have told us they believe the match should be postponed on safety grounds."Crystal Palace's cup tie with Crawley Town in South London could also be under threat, as could England's friendly international against the Netherlands at North London's Wembley Stadium on Wednesday.
Spurs' ticket office was damaged by rioting. Their home game vs. Everton on Saturday is the most in jeopardy if things don't cool down by then. It's too early to tell what the situation will be like.I've been to both White Hart Lane and Crystal Palace's home ground Selhurst Park (Wimbledon's former ground share partner). Palace's stadium in Croydon appeared to be in a nicer part of town than White Hart Lane, which was in a pretty scummy area IMO.
FCS just reported Spurs have announced the Everton match is on.
Scotland Yard will make the final call towards the end of the week
I'd be very nervous about bringing 35,000 people- many of them drunk hooligans- into the area where I was concerned about rioting.
 
There is no time buffer between the US game and the little league world series game that precedes it on ESPN2. If the baseball game runs long, you can catch the beginning of the US game on Univison.

 
Here are the 15 largest soccer crowds in the US this year, from Soccer America

ATT. GAME DATE LOCATION

1) 93,410 USA-Mexico (Gold Cup) June 25 Pasadena, Calif.

2) 81,807 Man. Utd.-Barcelona (World Football Challenge) July 30 Landover, Md.

3) 80,108 Mexico-El Salvador (Gold Cup) June 5 Arlington, Texas

4) 78,936 USA-Argentina (friendly) March 26 East Rutherford, N.J.

5) 78,807 Mexico-Guatemala (Gold Cup) June 18 East Rutherford, N.J.

6) 70,627 Mexico-Honduras, USA-Panama (Gold Cup) June 22 Houston

7) 70,080 Barcelona-Guadalajara (World Football Challenge) Aug. 3vMiami

8) 67,052 Seattle-Man. Utd. (World Football Challenge) July 20 Seattle

9) 64,121 USA-Spain (friendly) June 4 Foxboro, Mass.

10) 62,000 Mexico-Costa Rica (Gold Cup) June 12 Chicago

11) 61,308 Chicago-Man. Utd. (World Football Challenge) July 23 Chicago

12) 60,808 Mexico-Ecuador (friendly) March 29 San Diego

13) 60,807 Barcelona-Club America (World Football Challenge) Aug. 6 Philadelphia

14) 57,305 Philadelphia-Real Madrid (World Football Challenge) July 23 Los Angeles

15) 56,211 Los Angeles-Real Madrid (World Football Challenge) July 16 Los Angeles

 
Goodson has been scratched from the roster with an injury. He will not be replaced.

Ives predicted that Goodson would start so this might have a ripple affect on the lineup.

 
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2/3rds of the EA Sports FIFA cover for North America has been released. Last face will be revealed tomorrow. I figure either Hernandez or Messi. http://www.ea.com/soccer/news/fifa-12-na-cover-1
Gotta think Chicharito, no? FIFA has gone with a US-Mexico-"Other international superstar" format for awhile now.FIFA 11 - Donovan, Vela, KakaFIFA 10 - Kljestan, Blanco, LampardFIFA 09 - Edu, Ochoa, RonaldinhoFIFA 08 - Altidore, Ochoa, RonaldinhoFIFA 07 - Donovan, Fonseca, RonaldinhoI'll be stunned if it's not Chicharito...
 
2/3rds of the EA Sports FIFA cover for North America has been released. Last face will be revealed tomorrow. I figure either Hernandez or Messi. http://www.ea.com/soccer/news/fifa-12-na-cover-1
Gotta think Chicharito, no? FIFA has gone with a US-Mexico-"Other international superstar" format for awhile now.FIFA 11 - Donovan, Vela, KakaFIFA 10 - Kljestan, Blanco, LampardFIFA 09 - Edu, Ochoa, RonaldinhoFIFA 08 - Altidore, Ochoa, RonaldinhoFIFA 07 - Donovan, Fonseca, RonaldinhoI'll be stunned if it's not Chicharito...
I agree with you, but that silhouette doesn't look like him at all. I think it might be Edson Buddle.
 
2/3rds of the EA Sports FIFA cover for North America has been released. Last face will be revealed tomorrow. I figure either Hernandez or Messi. http://www.ea.com/soccer/news/fifa-12-na-cover-1
Gotta think Chicharito, no? FIFA has gone with a US-Mexico-"Other international superstar" format for awhile now.FIFA 11 - Donovan, Vela, KakaFIFA 10 - Kljestan, Blanco, LampardFIFA 09 - Edu, Ochoa, RonaldinhoFIFA 08 - Altidore, Ochoa, RonaldinhoFIFA 07 - Donovan, Fonseca, RonaldinhoI'll be stunned if it's not Chicharito...
I agree with you, but that silhouette doesn't look like him at all. I think it might be Edson Buddle.
I wasn't sure if that was supposed to be an actual silhouette or just a fake "stock person" silhouette.
 
I had a dream last night that the US lost 7-1 to Sri Lanka in the first game of WC2014.Sri Lanka...
Was Bradley the coach of Sri Lanka? :)
No, but I was watching the game from the sideline and not the stands. It was like watching an AYSO game. The pitch was in very poor condition too. No halftime oranges though.Sri Lanka... WTF
If it helps you sleeps easier tonight, Sri Lanka has already been eliminated for 2014.
 
Anybody know the changes from Fifa 11 to 12?

11 was/is so good, probably the best sports game I've ever played. Only thing I hate is the stats for the franchise mode, it only keeps track of goals. I would also love a fantasy draft mode.

 
Another reason my wife is awesome: Yesterday she was telling me about a conversation with some guy at work that's a big Ravens fan and she said to me, "I think the Ravens and the Eagles have a friendly coming up soon."

 
EPL Preview 2011 (part 1 of 4)

Below I’ll do a quick recap of each team, broken down with an obvious bias. I’ll include transfers, although they will not be complete, but should be pretty current, and any additional information I can think of…Don't mind the mis-spellings and please feel free to add any comments/critiques/critisms below - I'm typing these up at work, and mostly off the top of my head, so there is not much done in the way of fact checking :)

The Contenders – listed in my predicted order of finish

1-Manchester United

Key Transfers In:

Phil Jones - Blackburn Rovers (Undisclosed)

Ashley Young - Aston Villa (19 Million)

David De Gea - Athletico Madrid (18.9 Million)

Key Transfers out:

Bebe - Besiktas (Season Loan)

Owen Hargreaves - Free Transfer

Gabriel Obertan - Newcastle United (3 Million)

Wes Brown - Sunderland (Undisclosed)

John O'Shea - Sunderland (Undisclosed)

Defending champs seemingly did it with smoke and mirrors last year as this was not their most talented side by far. However, the quality was there in the end to win the Premiership and make it to the CL Finals. They cannot be dismissed for the upcoming year, and I feel they have gotten quite a bit stronger. Scholes and Van de Saar’s retirements are definitely significant, as well as Giggs getting another year older, however, you have to expect Rooney to not be hampered by the injuries/poor form that he started off with last year. Additionally, Chicharito is a year more experienced and has shown to be a key part to the success of this team. Depth at the fullback has to be the strongest probably in the world to be honest. Rio/Vidic/Evra/Rafael may be the starting four, but there are a full compliment of players behind them that can step in at a moments notice. And while this team may lack the true center mf that can quarterback the attack, I really don’t see this being an issue at all. Speed at the wings to spare, plenty of depth…..This looks to be an extremely strong team. Of course there are questions, such as, can Rooney stay healthy, will De Gea play well in England, what will become of Berbatov….and can the team handle the huge schedule they play.

2-Chelsea

Key Transfers In:

Oriol Romeu - FC Barcelona (Undisclosed)

Lucas Piazon - Sao Paulo (5 Million)

Thibaut Courtois - Genk (7.9 Million)

Key Transfers out:

Yury Zhirkov - Anzhi Makhachkala (13.2 Million)

A very quiet offseason for the Blues, I am not sure if any of these transfers are can be deemed as key, and the Lukako saga wages on, but on the flip side they didn’t really lose much either, just got a bit older. There is still plenty of quality out there, I’m just not sure exactly if it’s good enough to win this league. Torres hasn’t exactly set the world on fire since his transfer in last year, Drogba and Anelka are getting older. I’ll be honest, I could see Chelsea coming in 2nd, I could see them coming in 5th. They are strong enough all around they will be formidable, but they need big seasons from the likes of Lampard, Essien, Malouda, et al, as well as finding the right attack partnership up top. New coach, new year, jury is still out

3-Liverpool

Key Transfers In:

Jordan Henderson - Sunderland (Undisclosed)

Charlie Adam - Blackpool (7 Million)

Stewart Downing - Aston Villa (20 Million)

Key Transfers out:

Paul Konchesky - Leicester (1.5 Million)

As much as it pains me to put them this high, and I hope and pray I’m way wrong on this team, I have personally thought the moves they made last year and in the offseason have been the boldest in the premier league. The question is, how are they all going to play together? Gerrard is on the shelf for about a month, but when he comes back, there will be about 8 starting mf’s on this team. I think Suarez and Carroll will be a great duo up top, and their midfield will be great, but the back line and gk are just mediocre at this point in time, in my eyes. I think they will play like they have a chip on their shoulder all year and will be a tough team to beat. They really turned it around the second half of last year. I just think they need to sort out their team a bit more with guys like Meireles, Acqualani, will these guys be staying put or an integral part of the rotation of players. Team on the rise, imho.

4-Manchester $ity

Key Transfers In:

Gael Clichy - Arsenal (7 Million)

Stefan Savic - Partizan Belgrade (8 Million)

Sergio Aguero - Athletico Madrid (40 Million)

Key Transfers out:

Shay Given - Aston Villa (3.5 Million)

Jo - Internacional (Undisclosed)

Jerome Boateng - Bayern Munich (13 Million)

203.5 million euros spent on strikers the past 3 years and they still have no rhyme or reason for who is playing where and with who. They still want to add a winger before the transfer window closes and I’ve seen them linked with Sneijder still. Wtf. Talent wise alone, this team is top 1 or 2 in the EPL, probably top 5-6 in the world. But I can’t back them. Guys come there just to get paid, not to play. Balotelli is a head case, Tevez wants out, I believe they have 7 strikers on payroll right now and I still don’t see what they are going to do with the likes of Bellamy, Santa Cruz, Adebayor… Losing Given was pretty big, Hart is still too green to me to be a big time gk. I don’t know what to make of this team to be honest, I’d put them around 7th if I could. All that talent and they still seem to be playing 0-0, 1-0 games.

5- Arsenal

Key transfers in:

Gervinho - Lille (12 Million)

Key transfers out:

Denilson - Sao Paulo (Season Loan)

Gael Clichy - Manchester City (7 Million)

Doesn’t look like much was added or subtracted, until you consider the ongoing saga of Fabregas and Nasri. Aresnal plays a nice game to watch, but to me, they are heartless and lack the killer instinct needed to succeed. They either try to make the perfect goal, or else Arshavin is just shooting at anything. I like Van Persie a lot, but he is always hurt, always. I think it would be in the Gunners best interest to just rid themselves of Fabregas if he doesn’t want to be there, and take that money, which will be plenty, and move forward without him. I’d keep Nasri if I could, but it seems he doesn’t want to be there either. There is still a lot to like with Aresnal, as they are young and talented, but they need more leadership, determination, in order to play with the big boys. It’s possible they slip up some, Spurs is nipping at their heels, but I’ll keep them in the top five for now as their lineup stands.

 
EPL Preview (2 of 4)

Middle of the Pack

6 – Tottenham Hotspur

Key Transfers In:

Brad Friedel - Aston Villa (Free Transfer)

Key Transfers out:

Jonathan Woodgate - Stoke City (Free Transfer)

Jamie O'Hara - Wolverhampton Wanderers (5 Million)

Not a whole lot of movement in the off-season, and between frugal management and quality side, maybe not much needed. Friedel will offer a nice compliment to the always worrisome Gomes in the nets. Last years side was really hit hard with the injury bug, and perhaps losing Woodgate wasn’t a key loss due to injuries, Ledley King is always hobbling about, if at full health, Spurs has a pretty good rotation all around from the back, to the midfield to the attack. Defoe and Crouchy are always under attack by supporters, but I think they are still relatively decent players. Spurs could use one more pure striker, Keane and Pavluchenko have just not worked out, but the addition of Van de Vaart last year was big, now with the likes of Bale, Modric, VDV out there, they have a highly talented midfield and wing. Maybe Pieneer comes back to form this year, Lennon offers something, Dos Santos..okay maybe getting ahead of myself there, but I think with a reasonable goal keeping, and full health Spurs will sneak up and steal some points and position in the table. One more striker, maybe top 4-5, for now I think they’re on the cusp.



7-Sunderland

Key Transfers In:

Connor Wickham - Ipswich Town (8 Million)

Wes Brown - Manchester United (Undisclosed)

John O'Shea - Manchester United (Undisclosed)

Ji Dong-Won - Chunnam Dragons (Undisclosed)

Ahmed Elmohamady - ENPPI (Undisclosed)

Key Transfers out:

Jordan Henderson - Liverpool (Undisclosed)

Steed Malbranque - Saint Ettiene (Undisclosed)

Sunderland has a reasonable side and didn’t lose all that much and received two every day players from United in Brown and O’Shea. And now perhaps they are going after Bellamy to add some scoring punch. Sunderland is not going to dominate or play the prettiest of games, but they have a side you don’t necessarily want to go up against in a must win game because they play tight to the vest, and can score on the counter with Gyan really coming into his own last year. Kieran Richardson to me is an enigma, at times best player on the pitch, then where’d he go? :shrug: Midfield play and a solid defense are what makes this team tick, if they could find a few more goals they would be well suited (yeah, every team could say that I suppose, but especially Sunderland). Stadium of Light is always a tough spot to go to and win, I like the Sunderland side – found great value in them almost all of last year from an “investing” standpoint.

8-Everton

Key Transfers :shrug:

I didn’t see much of anything go on with Everton last year – perhaps their supporters could lend assistance. Everton is another side that is tough to play against, they don’t let you get much in the attack, and just enough talent to be a dangerous team to play against. Howard is one of the best in the net, the Everton defense is relatively solid with Baines, Distin, Jagielka, Heitenga, and has a bit of depth too. Midfield they still have some threats in Arteta, Fellaini, Rodwell – their attack is where they need to get better. Cahill is good, not great and the rest of their forwards are not exactly awe inspiring. I almost placed them 9th here, as I think one or two injuries could really sink them, but instead in 9th we have:

9 – Newcastle United

Key Transfers in:

Yohan Cabaye - Lille (4.4 Million)

Demba Ba -West Ham United (Undisclosed)

Gabriel Obertan - Manchester United (3 Million)

Key Transfers in:

Sol Campbell (Released)

Kevin Nolan - West Ham United (3 Million)

Really no huge in’s or outs, but this team is aiming to build on a solid 2010-2011 return to the premiership. They only allowed one more goal than they scored, and they still need to tighten up the defense a bit. Departure of Carroll is going to hurt but this team doesn’t really lack scoring options. Best, Ameobi, Niles Rangers showed he could be dangerous at times….they are building a team with speed to come at you in waves and this could put pressure on most defenses out there. They do have one constant issue/distraction in the form of Joey Barton. When the guys on the pitch, he’s pretty good. Sure he may give a late tackle here and there, and a hot head :hot: but he doesn’t lack for determination. Jonas was much better playing in the Championship than the premier league, he needs to get some confidence as he can be a bit of a worry for other teams too. Newcastle is a team with some money, I think they can make some additions and want to be in the premier league for the long haul.

10 – Fulham

Key Transfers in:

John Arne Riise - AS Roma (Undisclosed)

Key transfers out:

Jonathan Greening - Nottingham Forest (600k)

Fulham made quite a number of moves this offseason, I am not sure many would be considered key so I omitted them. Fulham had a pretty decent season all things considered. They are not a deep side and Europa league play doesn’t necessarily do them any favors – not sure the added revenue makes up for the extra games played. Riise could be a pretty nice get, he is still a pretty solid player and getting Zamora back out there will definitely boost the attack (now they just need him to stay out there) . MJ is back in the EPL – we’ll see what he can do with this bunch. I could see them as high as 7th, or as low as 13th, so I slotted them in the middle. They need to stay healthy and could use another player or two. Craven cottage is still a tough away game for some of the smaller sides, I don’t think the top 4-5 are too worried about them at this time though. Fulham is getting old, just poking around their team, it looks as if among their key guys, Dempsey is the only one younger than 30….older legs, heavy schedule could lead to trouble near the end of the year. :shrug:

 
:thumbup: , Very nice, look forward to the rest.

How do you guys usually divide your Sundays? With EPL, La Liga, NFL pregame then NFL games, how is it possible? My friends and I usually get together every Sunday for the NFL games so that makes it even tougher. My plan looks like it will be:

Record the Barca/La Liga game they show on GolTV.

Watch NFL pregame and games until 11pm.

Record Fox Soccer Report with highlights of EPL games

Watch recorded Barca/La Liga game.

Watch recorded Fox Soccer Report

That will have me up very late on Sunday night and missing any EPL game on Sunday. Good thing about the EPL is Saturday and Monday games. With this I have to avoid twitter/internet all day Sunday.

How the heck do you guys do it, I need some routines!

 
Guru - thanks for the preview - looking forward to the rest. A couple short notes re: Chelsea, posting via iPhone during a long conf call. Lukaku is definitely in, essien is out of the picture for at least six months, and I would say the team is moving younger, not older. All 4 signings are teenagers, and AVB is taking a very long look at Sturridge, McEachran, Bertrand and van Aanholt (kakuta may be on the way out, however). Most of these guys will go out on loan again, but I think 1 or 2 will make the team and play a role. Modric is still a strong transfer possibility, as is Pastore. Malouda and Kalou are on the hotseat IMO, and even Frankie needs to really step it up or he'll be looking over his shoulder at some of these young guys as well.

 
gk are just mediocre
As much as it pains me to say, I agree with everything you wrote about the Top 5 (including the order, the fact that Man U will win again, and the fact that Liverpool's back line is crap). The one thing I disagree with is Reina, who I think is a world class keeper, when healthy. He had a couple of bobbles last year that caused goals, and was unlike him and may be an indicator that he is falling off, but at this point, I don't view him as a weakness. The defense, however.........
 
:thumbup: , Very nice, look forward to the rest.How do you guys usually divide your Sundays? With EPL, La Liga, NFL pregame then NFL games, how is it possible? My friends and I usually get together every Sunday for the NFL games so that makes it even tougher. My plan looks like it will be:Record the Barca/La Liga game they show on GolTV.Watch NFL pregame and games until 11pm.Record Fox Soccer Report with highlights of EPL gamesWatch recorded Barca/La Liga game.Watch recorded Fox Soccer ReportThat will have me up very late on Sunday night and missing any EPL game on Sunday. Good thing about the EPL is Saturday and Monday games. With this I have to avoid twitter/internet all day Sunday.How the heck do you guys do it, I need some routines!
NFL pregame??????????
 
:thumbup: , Very nice, look forward to the rest.How do you guys usually divide your Sundays? With EPL, La Liga, NFL pregame then NFL games, how is it possible? My friends and I usually get together every Sunday for the NFL games so that makes it even tougher. My plan looks like it will be:Record the Barca/La Liga game they show on GolTV.Watch NFL pregame and games until 11pm.Record Fox Soccer Report with highlights of EPL gamesWatch recorded Barca/La Liga game.Watch recorded Fox Soccer ReportThat will have me up very late on Sunday night and missing any EPL game on Sunday. Good thing about the EPL is Saturday and Monday games. With this I have to avoid twitter/internet all day Sunday.How the heck do you guys do it, I need some routines!
This has been my biggest issue with getting into European soccer. I am a huge NCAA and NFL fan and my weekends are dominated enough by sports. I have a very hard time adding in futbol. But honestly, the real reason I haven't watched a ton is because I don't get the channels in HD yet. If that happens, my wife just might grow tired of me.
 
:thumbup: , Very nice, look forward to the rest.How do you guys usually divide your Sundays? With EPL, La Liga, NFL pregame then NFL games, how is it possible? My friends and I usually get together every Sunday for the NFL games so that makes it even tougher. My plan looks like it will be:Record the Barca/La Liga game they show on GolTV.Watch NFL pregame and games until 11pm.Record Fox Soccer Report with highlights of EPL gamesWatch recorded Barca/La Liga game.Watch recorded Fox Soccer ReportThat will have me up very late on Sunday night and missing any EPL game on Sunday. Good thing about the EPL is Saturday and Monday games. With this I have to avoid twitter/internet all day Sunday.How the heck do you guys do it, I need some routines!
This has been my biggest issue with getting into European soccer. I am a huge NCAA and NFL fan and my weekends are dominated enough by sports. I have a very hard time adding in futbol. But honestly, the real reason I haven't watched a ton is because I don't get the channels in HD yet. If that happens, my wife just might grow tired of me.
Last year I watched the NFL pregame and games UNLESS Liverpool were playing, and then I watched that. I won't miss NFL games to watch Man U drub Swansea.
 
:thumbup: , Very nice, look forward to the rest.How do you guys usually divide your Sundays? With EPL, La Liga, NFL pregame then NFL games, how is it possible? My friends and I usually get together every Sunday for the NFL games so that makes it even tougher. My plan looks like it will be:Record the Barca/La Liga game they show on GolTV.Watch NFL pregame and games until 11pm.Record Fox Soccer Report with highlights of EPL gamesWatch recorded Barca/La Liga game.Watch recorded Fox Soccer ReportThat will have me up very late on Sunday night and missing any EPL game on Sunday. Good thing about the EPL is Saturday and Monday games. With this I have to avoid twitter/internet all day Sunday.How the heck do you guys do it, I need some routines!
NFL pregame??????????
More of getting last minute fantasy news/tweaking lineups/talking with friends then getting info about the games. I'm out of my house most Sundays and my friends are not soccer fans so watching the games are not an option.
 
:thumbup: , Very nice, look forward to the rest.How do you guys usually divide your Sundays? With EPL, La Liga, NFL pregame then NFL games, how is it possible? My friends and I usually get together every Sunday for the NFL games so that makes it even tougher. My plan looks like it will be:Record the Barca/La Liga game they show on GolTV.Watch NFL pregame and games until 11pm.Record Fox Soccer Report with highlights of EPL gamesWatch recorded Barca/La Liga game.Watch recorded Fox Soccer ReportThat will have me up very late on Sunday night and missing any EPL game on Sunday. Good thing about the EPL is Saturday and Monday games. With this I have to avoid twitter/internet all day Sunday.How the heck do you guys do it, I need some routines!
The answer my friend is multiple TVs. I have 4 set up for NFL season. Watch the 1PM and 4PM set of games(doing plenty of surfing between games during commercial breaks), then watch the EPL games that are on the DVR before/during the beginning of the Sunday night game.This plan goes out the window when I am attending the home games though.
 
Grantland predictions

Welcome to The Reducer, Grantland's weekly soccer column focusing on the English Premier League.A Reducer is a particularly nasty sliding tackle, one often aimed at something other than the ball (like, say, the knee or thigh). To pick one of hundreds over the years as an example, please watch Manchester United's Paul Scholes commit midair assault with a deadly Puma boot on Barcelona's (not particularly lovable, himself) Sergio Busquets in the 2009 Champions League final.While naming a column after an act in which one man uses a cleated foot to maim another just seems like sound editorial policy, this column will have a less violent, more service-oriented purpose: to "reduce" (fist bump) all the action, on and off the pitch, into one digestible, weekly package.There will be Merseyside, Manchester, and North London derbies. There will be Cinderella runs made by giant-killers. There will be nauseating injuries and silent-film-style play-acting. There will be players seeing red cards and celebrating goals against Wigan as if they just won the World Cup. There will be missed sitters and absolute screamers. There will be defending, both courageous and shocking. There will be injury-time equalizers. There will be Fergie Time. There will be blood. And there will probably be lots of Mario Balotelli.To kick everything off, The Reducer has put together this Premier League season preview to get you acquainted or reacquainted with England's top-flight teams. We'd like this column to be as interactive as possible, so feel free to take your questions, comments, declarations of bias, and battle cries to our Facebook page.The teams are listed in order of how The Reducer thinks they'll finish. Also, a common question from those new to the Premier League is "Which team should I support?" so The Reducer has included a handy "Recommended If You Like" section for each side, though the best way of finding a team to support is simply to watch a lot of Premier League and let that team find you.Over the next 8½ months we'll watch what (fingers crossed, Hail Marys whispered, salt thrown over the shoulder, Hopi Indian prayer sung to the Great Spirit) could be one of the most wide-open title races in years. Take a deep breath. It's up for grabs now.The ContendersThese six teams will be vying for not only the Premier League title, but also for the four coveted (and lucrative) Champions League places.1. Manchester CityIn 2008, Sheikh Mansour and the Abu Dhabi Group1 purchased Manchester City. Since then, they've invested untold millions in players and infrastructure in an effort to turn what was once a lovable, underachieving side playing in the shadow of Old Trafford into a global footballing power.Not to sound like, "I, for one, welcome this not-so-new era of financial doping in the Premier League," but I really don't see any way around it. City is the team to beat.Sure, it has questions. Will City boss Roberto Mancini's "my way or the highway"2 act wear thin on his collection of superstars? Will the presence (or absence) of Carlos Tevez, who wants out of rainy Manchester and its lack of suitable eateries, be a distraction? Will its personnel policy, which seems to be largely informed by the message found within YC's "Racks", backfire? How will young, gifted, and eccentric Italian forward Mario Balotelli respond to having his Maserati ruined by teammates leaving a bag of fish in it for a week?Despite these questions (and, really, kipper smell is impossible to get out of upholstery) The Reducer is predicting that City will lift the trophy and jump up and down on a stage next May. It has the best spine (keeper Joe Hart, defenders Vincent Kompany and Joleon Lescott, midfielders Nigel de Jong and Yaya Toure) in the league, it's cagey and pragmatic in its style of play, and, with its new addition Sergio "Kun" Aguero, it has one of the most talented strikers in Europe.RIYL: Unironically quoting Boiler Room, thinking about haters, YC's "Racks"2. Manchester UnitedIn all of Europe, only Barcelona rivals United's attacking talent. It has three of the Premier League's best strikers in Wayne Rooney, Javier Hernandez, and Dimitar Berbatov. And it has the league's best crop of wingers in Ryan Giggs, Nani, Antonio Valencia, and new signing Ashley Young. But as you move towards midfield and into defense, eyebrows start to rise.The Reducer isn't sure whether Dr. Gregory House has finally cured Darren Fletcher of the pesky virus3 that held him out of the second half of last season. With that in mind, United's midfield will depend, largely, on the continued improvement of starlets like Anderson and Tom Cleverley (who has impressed this preseason). On defense, manager Alex Ferguson will hope that captain Rio Ferdinand can stay healthy. He and his center-half partner, Nemanja Vidic, will have to help shepherd United's new, young keeper, David De Gea, through his first Premier League campaign.RIYL: mind games, overflowing trophy cabinets, not having lupus3. ChelseaThis Chelsea team, in essence (Petr Cech, John Terry, Frank Lampard, Didier Drogba), is the same one that's been challenging for (or winning) Premier League titles for almost a decade. Rather than going through a (long promised) roster overhaul, owner Roman Abramovich is counting on new manager Andre Villas-Boas to figure out how to keep the forward line of Drogba, the catatonic Fernando Torres, and the moody Nicolas Anelka happy, turn an aging Lampard, John Obi Mikel, and Ramires into a fluid midfield, and somehow make John Terry not have the back of crippled 19th Century miner.The Blues may yet sign their big transfer target, Tottenham's Luka Modric, but for now, reinforcements come in the form of younger talents like Josh McEachran and new signing Romelu Lukaku.RIYL: New money becoming old money, Downton Abbey, Edward Gibbon's Rise And Fall Of The Roman Empire4. LiverpoolThis summer, manager and club legend Kenny Dalglish spent some of John Henry's pink-Red Sox-hat money. He went on a shopping spree — and he bought local. Brits Stewart Downing and Jordan Henderson, along with Scot free-kick specialist and yellow-card collector Charlie Adam, join January signing Andy Carroll to form Liverpool's new, largely United Kingdom-bred team. But the key to Reds' revival might lie with the side's greatest import.Uruguayan forward Luis Suarez, on form,4 can tear opposing teams to shreds. Ask Paraguay. It's his dogged determination and Dalglish's ability to figure out what to do with his surplus of midfielders (including club figurehead and chronic-groin-problem-haver Steven Gerrard) that will determine whether Liverpool can return to the Premier League's big four.RIYL: the music of Rodgers & Hammerstein, a tradition unlike any other, pulling absolute rabbits from hats5. ArsenalManager Arsene Wenger's dedication to young players playing good football is admirable. So is Steve Albini's dedication to recording bands exclusively to analog tape. That doesn't mean Jesus Lizard was ever going to win a Grammy, and it sure doesn't look like the Gunners are going to win the Premier League trophy. At least not as presently constituted.The problem with prognosticating for the North London club is we really don't know how Arsenal is going to look this season. Barcelona is on the phone, and it wants Arsenal captain/midfield dynamo Cesc Fabregas. On the other line Manchester City is sniffing at soon-to-be-out-of-contract Frenchman Samir Nasri. While fending off all this interest in his two best players, Wegner has added only the talented Ivorian forward Gervinho (legendary hairline, him) and some kids (Carl Jenkinson, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain).The next few weeks could see an exodus from Arsenal that could drag it out of the Champions League places. However a quick response and splash in the transfer market (not unlike Liverpool's outlay after selling Fernando Torres to Chelsea) could revitalize a still very dangerous team, one that would be led by midfield wunderkind Jack Wilshere.RIYL: coming-of-age stories with bittersweet endings, George Orwell's Homage To Catalonia, nagging hamstring injuries6. TottenhamTottenham Hotspur are an example of the financial demands and financial realities that some find off-putting about European football. They have an exciting team with wildly entertaining players like the aforementioned Modric, Rafael Van der Vaart, and Gareth Bale. And yet, rather than trying to build on what they accomplished in last season, they are clinging desperately to keep their side together.After making it into the Champions League two seasons ago and having a really nice run to the quarterfinals (a run marked by Bale's writing Maicon's obit in a match against Inter Milan), everything should be looking up for Tottenham. Instead, it is trying to keep hold of its best players and prevent them from being wooed by Euro superpowers.In the meantime, Spurs have done very little to improve their side. Which is kind of shocking since they are managed by a character from Sexy Beast (just don't call Harry Redknapp a wheeler-dealer).They still have a problematic forward line (problematic in that Peter Crouch, Jermain Defoe, and Roman Pavlyuchenko need to score more) and an injury-prone defense (center-half Ledley King is the team captain and has the knees of Tio from Breaking Bad). It's not right, but it's OK: Tottenham might not reach the heights of the past two seasons, but it'll be competitive.RIYL: Jan Brady, wheeling and dealingStuck In The MiddleThese sides are in no real danger of being relegated and are no real threat to challenge for the title. The best they can hope for is a FA Cup or Carling Cup run.7. EvertonNew season, same story. If Everton can stay healthy, it will be find itself standing solidly in mid-table. If it could add one single striker, with all his fingers and toes and no chronic back problems, to help Jermaine Beckford score goals, it might make more noise than that. Unfortunately, in this age of oil money and Red Sox money, having a theatre impresario (as Bill Kenwright was) as your owner is about as useful as having your movie released straight to Laser Disc.So, with that in mind, Everton's fortunes depend on the continued growth of midfielder Jack Rodwell and the hope that Mikel Arteta does not blow out his knee. Again.The Reducer thinks that Everton boss David Moyes could have raised at least enough for a journeyman goal-poacher by leasing out his absolutely pants-####tingly scary stare for people to use against their enemies. But nobody asked The Reducer.RIYL: The Grapes Of Wrath, hating Liverpool, staring contests8. StokeOver the past few years the Premier League has become far more concerned with producing an entertaining product, protecting its most valuable, technically gifted players, and encouraging a more offensive, goal-crazy style of play. To which Stoke boss Tony Pulis has responded, in his best ogre voice, "NERRRRRRRRRDS!"To Pulis, this discourages the gritty, determined, "it's just a flesh wound" kind of lionhearted Brit bravery that made the game what it was. Football is about leaving it all out on the field and then going back out on the field and throwing your face in front of a free kick just to remind yourself that you left it all out there in the first place.Or so conventional wisdom goes.Yes, Stoke has become the villain of the league, replacing the likes of Sam Allardyce's Bolton and Blackburn. But in truth, this team does try to play some football, and it gets results the best way it knows how. While you might not respect Pulis' players for doling out compound fractures on people such as Arsenal's Aaron Ramsey, you must respect what they've done with far more limited than most sides.RIYL: The Expendables, Kyuss, freezing rain9. Fulham10. West BromIn 2010, after leading Fulham on the kind of Europa League championship run that warrants a Randy Newman soundtrack, manager Roy Hodgson left the Cottagers for Liverpool. He was fired in January of 2011 and promptly joined West Brom, keeping the classic yo-yo team5 comfortably in the Premier League. There's no reason why he shouldn't be able to easily repeat the trick, provided West Brom can keep its dynamite striker, Peter Odemwingie.New Fulham manager Martin Jol has a tougher job. He has to match the success not only of Hodgson, but also of last season's boss, Mark Hughes (who left because he thought he was going to get a better job but is now staring at his garden somewhere in Cheshire). Fulham has a fantastic defense led by one-time Arsenal target Brede Hangeland. But getting back into Europe may be a bridge too far.Fulham RIYL:: Michael Jackson statues, Clint Dempsey glaring at peopleWest Brom RIYL: One-word soccer chants11. BoltonBolton is one of the feel-good stories of the Premier League. Owen Coyle has taken this team, playing in the suburbs of Manchester, and turned it from long-ball merchant into a really attractive, fun-to-cheer-for team. Too bad its best players keep breaking their legs or leaving. Bolton will really miss the creativity of Lee Chung-yong (leg) and the goal-scoring of Johan Elmander (booked it for Turkey).RIYL: East Dillon over West Dillon, ER marathons12. Aston VillaRandy Lerner took over Aston Villa a few years back, hired manager Martin O'Neil, and splashed out for some talented, young players like James Milner and Ashley Young. Now O'Neil is gone, Milner and Young have decamped to Manchester (United and City, respectively), and Lerner's new toy is starting to resemble the other sports franchise he owns, the Cleveland Browns.New boss Alex McLeish, formerly manager of archrival Birmingham (this would have been like the Browns hiring Sam Wyche as head coach in 1988), will try to steady a sinking ship, relying on the ingenuity of Marc Albrighton and Darren Bent's nose for goal.RIYL: sleeping giants, Bernie KosarRelegation BluesThese teams will have to fight all year to stay out of the dreaded bottom three if they want to extend their Premier League membership.13. WolvesThe Reducer likes manager Mick McCarthy and his Skynet-like proclamations about Twitter and loves midfielder Jamie O'Hara, one of the more underrated midfielders in the league. Wolves have struggled to stay in the Premier League over the past few seasons, but there should be some light at the end of the tunnel for this West Midlands side, assuming it can keep striker Kevin Doyle and winger Matt Jarvis.RIYL: Western Union's telegraph system, actual wolves14. SunderlandSunderland might get through this season based on the sheer fact that the teams below it are just so much worse. Manager Steve Bruce — whose face makes him look like the guy who invented mixed martial arts — has spent a lot of money putting together and blowing up this Sunderland team. The Black Cats will stay in the Premier League, assuming they can keep hold of their fabulous forward Asamoah Gyan and the gaggle of ex-Manchester United recruits (John O'Shea, Wes Brown) can shore up their defense.RIYL: hating Newcastle, setting money on fire15. NorwichPaul Lambert has led the Canaries to successive promotions, leaping from League One to the Premier League in two seasons. They seem to be hedging their bets a bit. They haven't spent a ton on seasoned Premier League veterans, opting instead for diamonds in the lower-league rough like former Leeds defender Bradley Johnson. But that doesn't mean they're automatically relegation material. Lambert is one of the best young managers in English football, and, a former Champions League winner with Borussia Dortmound, he won't let his side be intimidated with the talent it faces.RIYL: Cinderella stories, owners who like to rock furs and get blitzed16. NewcastleRun with the grace and foresight of a drunken cave troll playing foosball after last call, Newcastle, owned by sporting goods magnate Mike Ashley, is clinging to its Premier League life and flushing the remnants of its fans' support down the toilet at the same time. It has sold off its best players and its changing room leaders and brought nothing of note back in return. Meanwhile, its starting midfielder, Joey Barton, is trying to tweet his way out of town, quoting Morrissey and Nietzsche in the process.Basically, Hatem Ben Arfa (who looked awesome last season before nearly having his leg amputated by Nigel de Jong) has to be really, really good for this to end at all well.RIYL: the end of The Wild Bunch, the end of A Perfect Storm, not wearing a shirt17. SwanseaIt will be interesting to watch Wales' first Premier League team negotiate its desire to keep the ball on the grass, build play from the back, and play pass-and-move football while trying to accumulate enough points to stay in the league. If Manager Brendan Rodgers is having his players launch long balls and defend in numbers by January, then we'll have our answer. Until then Rodgers will rely on winger Scott Sinclair and young hitman Danny Graham to lend a finishing touch to all their pretty passing.RIYL: Led Zeppelin's II, the films of Rhys Ifans18. WiganEverything ends. For years, Wigan has been living the dream. A rather sparsely attended dream, taking place on a divot-filled rugby field, but the dream just the same. It has stayed in the Premier League by finding undiscovered South and Central American talent, selling them off at a profit, and reloading. Despite low attendances, a limited budget, and a habit of getting their asses handed to them once or twice a season (they lost to Tottenham 9-1 in 2009 and were suplexed by Chelsea 8-0 in 2010), the Latics have managed to keep afloat. This summer they sold their best player, Charles N'Zogbia, but haven't brought in anyone of note to replace him.RIYL: Cow pastures, having a team all to yourself19. BlackburnLast season, Blackburn turned into a Mike Judge film. The team, which won the Premier League in the '94-95 season, was taken over by Venkys, an Indian company that specializes in poultry products and pharmaceuticals. It has set unrealistic expectations and provided little money to improve the team. Manager Steve Kean seems to always have a facial expression best described as "Lt. Gorman in Aliens when his platoon gets decimated and Ripley is screaming at him."RIYL: Poultry, pharmaceuticals20. QPRThe runaway winners of the npower Championship, led by a seasoned manager and featuring one of the most exciting new players in the Premier League. So why will boss Neil Warnock and creative midfielder Adel Taarabt's stay in the top flight be short-lived? Because QPR's owners have barley spent a single cent on improving the team. Which is funny because QPR's owners are rich enough to buy and sell you and me three times over.This club is about to be buried by internal instability, as some very, very rich men (F1 moguls Bernie Ecclestone and Flavio Briatore) tussle with an even richer man (Indian steel titan Lakshmi Mittal) for control of the club. It's a sad story with no happy ending in sight. Taarabt will probably be playing for PSG or anywhere else by the end of the calendar year, Warnock will likely be fired for insubordination (he's good at that), and QPR will sink back to the Championship.RIYL: Trading Places, lawsuitsChris Ryan is a staff writer for Grantland.
 
:thumbup: , Very nice, look forward to the rest.How do you guys usually divide your Sundays? With EPL, La Liga, NFL pregame then NFL games, how is it possible? My friends and I usually get together every Sunday for the NFL games so that makes it even tougher. My plan looks like it will be:Record the Barca/La Liga game they show on GolTV.Watch NFL pregame and games until 11pm.Record Fox Soccer Report with highlights of EPL gamesWatch recorded Barca/La Liga game.Watch recorded Fox Soccer ReportThat will have me up very late on Sunday night and missing any EPL game on Sunday. Good thing about the EPL is Saturday and Monday games. With this I have to avoid twitter/internet all day Sunday.How the heck do you guys do it, I need some routines!
I don't watch La Liga (no games in HD for me) but the Sunday Premier League game(s) usually start two hours before the kickoff of the early NFL games. So I'll start watching soccer at ten, then head wherever for NFL that week. Probably more difficult for west coasters unless you don't mind getting up really early, which is pretty much out of the question for me most Sundays. Getting into soccer has definitely cut into my sleep time on fall weekends.
 
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Gator and I should arrange some sort of friendly bet between Liverpool and Arsenal's table finishes.

Nice recap there, Guru. Interested to see where you've got West Brom.

 
Haven't really decided on an EPL team yet. Considering Fulham or Stoke.
If going to see your team play live is on your bucket list, definitely pick Fulham. Stoke is supposedly pretty dire, as is Staffordshire as a whole.I saw a Wimbledon-Fulham derby when Fulham was coming up and the Dons going down. The Fulham supporters were generally pretty cool. My biggest concern about Fulham is that they're heavily subsidized by Mohamed Al-Fayed who is in his 80s. When he dies, I don't know if his family will want to continue to sink their inheritance into the club. Massive debt and new ownership could lead to an unstable situation and a rapid fall from their current top-tier status.
 
:thumbup: , Very nice, look forward to the rest.How do you guys usually divide your Sundays? With EPL, La Liga, NFL pregame then NFL games, how is it possible? My friends and I usually get together every Sunday for the NFL games so that makes it even tougher. My plan looks like it will be:Record the Barca/La Liga game they show on GolTV.Watch NFL pregame and games until 11pm.Record Fox Soccer Report with highlights of EPL gamesWatch recorded Barca/La Liga game.Watch recorded Fox Soccer ReportThat will have me up very late on Sunday night and missing any EPL game on Sunday. Good thing about the EPL is Saturday and Monday games. With this I have to avoid twitter/internet all day Sunday.How the heck do you guys do it, I need some routines!
When I don't have a game on Sunday morning (our team will play probably 5 Sunday games this fall), I'll usually DVR the early game if there's a 7:30 start and then have a bit of a running tape-delay thing going. I will continue to watch the games and tape the other games that may be on TV that day, working in chronological order (for no spoilers). If Arsenal is playing, I will usually pause whatever's on the DVR and watch it live unless I oversleep and have to watch it on delay. I'll stop wherever I am for the Bills game, and watch that, and then just pick up the rest afterwards. I don't watch much NFL other than the Bills, unless it's a very big game, so my evenings are mostly free for mindless soccer games in the background. Several times a year, the Bills will get blown out so badly that I can catch the second half of the FSC Serie A game (starts at 2:30 ET) or the occasional ESPN La Liga game live. I will generally DVR all of the La Liga games that ESPN shows, but don't bother with the Serie A games. I do not get GolTV, so the other La Liga games aren't possible for me.Usually I'll try to DVR any MLS games on TV over the weekend and watch them as fillers if I have time. I will also do this with the crappy EPL games (say, Wigan vs. Norwich) that I don't really care if I miss. If I haven't watched the game by Monday night, I'll delete them.
 
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Guru - thanks for the preview - looking forward to the rest. A couple short notes re: Chelsea, posting via iPhone during a long conf call. Lukaku is definitely in, essien is out of the picture for at least six months, and I would say the team is moving younger, not older. All 4 signings are teenagers, and AVB is taking a very long look at Sturridge, McEachran, Bertrand and van Aanholt (kakuta may be on the way out, however). Most of these guys will go out on loan again, but I think 1 or 2 will make the team and play a role. Modric is still a strong transfer possibility, as is Pastore. Malouda and Kalou are on the hotseat IMO, and even Frankie needs to really step it up or he'll be looking over his shoulder at some of these young guys as well.
I thought Pastore already moved to PSG?
 
Some more thoughts about Arsenal.

Van Persie is about 1000x more important for the Gunners than Cesc. Frankly, I think the Gunners could lose Cesc without missing much of a beat in the first 11, provided (and this is always the rub) that Arsenal somehow stays healthy. Gervinho looks to be a very nice fit on the left flank, and Walcott continues to improve. But Arsenal literally has nobody else to play RVP's false nine role. And that's really how the Gunners work best. In a 4-3-3 with the wings cutting inside and the CF coming back for the ball and distributing. Sub in Chamakh and go back to a 4-4-2 and the pieces just don't fit as well anymore. Maybe they can try Vela there instead of wasting him on the wing. Frankly if ManU is so anxious to lose Berbatov for less than 20 million, I don't understand how Arsenal doesn't make a play for him. He'd be a good fit.

Losing Nasri as well would be a big blow, but I think Wilshere and Ramsey also have a lot of quality. In fact, midfield is still the area where I feel best about Arsenal's depth. In fact, it might be the only area where I like their depth. One exception is at the holding mid where Alex Song is a pretty big step up from everyone else.

Gibbs is a better LB than Clichy, so I wouldn't count that a loss except that Gibbs is always hurt. At CB, I think Koscielny and Vermaelen could be an effective combo. I think Djourou can be effective partnered with Koscielny (who I think reads the game well). I think Squallaci is a demon-spawn sent to torture Gunners fans. Similarly, I think Szczesny will grow into an excellent keeper, howler in the league cup final aside. I've given up on "FloppyHandski" and Almunia.

 

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