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1) He definitely hasn't played as well. I wouldn't say "disappeared", but for whatever reason he's been utterly dominant at the Nou and not so much elsewhere.2) Probably.3) I think it's hard not to become reliant on a player like him. A lot of offense gets funneled his way because he's so efficient, and he's out so little that it's tough to know what this team in particular looks like without him. But let's say he's out, you have a world-class player in Cesc to play the F9, two of the best midfielders in the world still behind him, and an array of really good wings in Sanchez, Pedro, Cuenca, Tello, etc.I think the difference between Messi and no Messi is winning Liga 20-ish% of the time without him (but almost always qualifying for the CL) as opposed to winning around 50-60% with him, and going from a team that would average an exit in the 1st or 2nd round of the UCL knockout rounds to a perennial UCL contender. Rough guesses.BTW, CL draw is on March 16.
1) I think you're right. Look at how well CRonaldo has played away from home this year: 12 goals in 12 games. Messi has 5 goals in 11 games. So that's pretty telling IMO.3) Even though Barça has world class players to replace him, there's only one Messi the magician. None of those players you mentioned to replace Messi sniff the top 50 players all time, and we all know that Messi is a top 5 G.O.A.T. That said, I think you're overselling his importance though. I still think Barça could win la liga 40% of the time without Messi. They would have to change their game a bit, but I think that the rest of the crew could pick up the slack. Xavi and Iniesta with Cesc is a powerful trifecta in the midfield. That would scare anyone, even Real. I think they're still a top 5 or top 8 team in the world without Messi, but they are too reliant on him to produce magic.So the question to me is, how would Real fare without CRonaldo?
 
Trivia Question:

Yesterday Messi broke double figures in goals for the second time in Champions League history (scoring ten or more goals in two CL campaigns).

Only one other player has accomplished this. Name him.

 
Media all over the World is claiming that Arsenal have wrapped up Podolski ($17M transfer fee and over $10m in salary per year)

I really hope they hold on to RVP because I want to see these two players together.

 
1) He definitely hasn't played as well. I wouldn't say "disappeared", but for whatever reason he's been utterly dominant at the Nou and not so much elsewhere.2) Probably.3) I think it's hard not to become reliant on a player like him. A lot of offense gets funneled his way because he's so efficient, and he's out so little that it's tough to know what this team in particular looks like without him. But let's say he's out, you have a world-class player in Cesc to play the F9, two of the best midfielders in the world still behind him, and an array of really good wings in Sanchez, Pedro, Cuenca, Tello, etc.I think the difference between Messi and no Messi is winning Liga 20-ish% of the time without him (but almost always qualifying for the CL) as opposed to winning around 50-60% with him, and going from a team that would average an exit in the 1st or 2nd round of the UCL knockout rounds to a perennial UCL contender. Rough guesses.BTW, CL draw is on March 16.
1) I think you're right. Look at how well CRonaldo has played away from home this year: 12 goals in 12 games. Messi has 5 goals in 11 games. So that's pretty telling IMO.3) Even though Barça has world class players to replace him, there's only one Messi the magician. None of those players you mentioned to replace Messi sniff the top 50 players all time, and we all know that Messi is a top 5 G.O.A.T. That said, I think you're overselling his importance though. I still think Barça could win la liga 40% of the time without Messi. They would have to change their game a bit, but I think that the rest of the crew could pick up the slack. Xavi and Iniesta with Cesc is a powerful trifecta in the midfield. That would scare anyone, even Real. I think they're still a top 5 or top 8 team in the world without Messi, but they are too reliant on him to produce magic.So the question to me is, how would Real fare without CRonaldo?
Without Messi, Cesc wouldn't play in the midfield. He played a lot of CF early in the year even with Messi. Cesc would slide into the false nine, IMO. It would still be a significant downgrade, particularly against Real as I don't think Barca would have a guy who could break the pressing game on the dribble the way Messi does.Real would be a good, but not great team without Ronaldo. I think they'd have to be a lot like Jose's Inter Milan team. Very tight at the back. Low scoring against good teams. They would still be a European power, but they'd have a lot more draws because there would be scoring droughts. Ronaldo scores some pretty goals, but he's also a first class poacher of the scrappy goal.
 
Trivia Question:Yesterday Messi broke double figures in goals for the second time in Champions League history (scoring ten or more goals in two CL campaigns). Only one other player has accomplished this. Name him.
I would think Di Stefano.
 
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Media all over the World is claiming that Arsenal have wrapped up Podolski ($17M transfer fee and over $10m in salary per year)I really hope they hold on to RVP because I want to see these two players together.
I've always liked Podolski. He has always underachieved for his club team (or is i over achieved for his country?). I really hope he fits in at Arsenal. :thumbup: I do see RVP leaving next year though. Especialy if they don't qualify for CL. No way he stays if they don't. They need to qualify and make some good signings to keep him.
 
Trivia Question:Yesterday Messi broke double figures in goals for the second time in Champions League history (scoring ten or more goals in two CL campaigns). Only one other player has accomplished this. Name him.
It would think Di Stefano.
Kind of a trick question since this is Champions League specific (not champions cup, which was the old competition), so older guys like Di Stefano are not included.
 
Media all over the World is claiming that Arsenal have wrapped up Podolski ($17M transfer fee and over $10m in salary per year)I really hope they hold on to RVP because I want to see these two players together.
I've always liked Podolski. He has always underachieved for his club team (or is i over achieved for his country?). I really hope he fits in at Arsenal. :thumbup: I do see RVP leaving next year though. Especialy if they don't qualify for CL. No way he stays if they don't. They need to qualify and make some good signings to keep him.
I've always liked him, as well. Would have rather seen him in red, but I do hope he does well at Arsenal. :thumbup:
 
1) He definitely hasn't played as well. I wouldn't say "disappeared", but for whatever reason he's been utterly dominant at the Nou and not so much elsewhere.2) Probably.3) I think it's hard not to become reliant on a player like him. A lot of offense gets funneled his way because he's so efficient, and he's out so little that it's tough to know what this team in particular looks like without him. But let's say he's out, you have a world-class player in Cesc to play the F9, two of the best midfielders in the world still behind him, and an array of really good wings in Sanchez, Pedro, Cuenca, Tello, etc.I think the difference between Messi and no Messi is winning Liga 20-ish% of the time without him (but almost always qualifying for the CL) as opposed to winning around 50-60% with him, and going from a team that would average an exit in the 1st or 2nd round of the UCL knockout rounds to a perennial UCL contender. Rough guesses.BTW, CL draw is on March 16.
1) I think you're right. Look at how well CRonaldo has played away from home this year: 12 goals in 12 games. Messi has 5 goals in 11 games. So that's pretty telling IMO.3) Even though Barça has world class players to replace him, there's only one Messi the magician. None of those players you mentioned to replace Messi sniff the top 50 players all time, and we all know that Messi is a top 5 G.O.A.T. That said, I think you're overselling his importance though. I still think Barça could win la liga 40% of the time without Messi. They would have to change their game a bit, but I think that the rest of the crew could pick up the slack. Xavi and Iniesta with Cesc is a powerful trifecta in the midfield. That would scare anyone, even Real. I think they're still a top 5 or top 8 team in the world without Messi, but they are too reliant on him to produce magic.So the question to me is, how would Real fare without CRonaldo?
Without Messi, Cesc wouldn't play in the midfield. He played a lot of CF early in the year even with Messi. Cesc would slide into the false nine, IMO. It would still be a significant downgrade, particularly against Real as I don't think Barca would have a guy who could break the pressing game on the dribble the way Messi does.Real would be a good, but not great team without Ronaldo. I think they'd have to be a lot like Jose's Inter Milan team. Very tight at the back. Low scoring against good teams. They would still be a European power, but they'd have a lot more draws because there would be scoring droughts. Ronaldo scores some pretty goals, but he's also a first class poacher of the scrappy goal.
I agree about the position Cesc would play as the False 9 (although I do think it limits his role on defense a bit). Messi fits this bill much better than Cesc though, you're right.
 
Media all over the World is claiming that Arsenal have wrapped up Podolski ($17M transfer fee and over $10m in salary per year)
GolTV linkI don't watch EPL or pull FOR any team in the league, but I guess I can pull for the Gunners.
You are the German expert here. Any scouting report you can give on the Fire's signing of Arne Friedrich?
He's a solid backline guy. He has over 80 caps for Die Mannschaft and you might remember his goal during the last World Cup against Argentina. He had gone 70+ matches without scoring and the team was pretty excited for him. He last played for the National Team last March against Austria, sadly he scored an own goal in that match.Also, he's German so his name isn't pronounced Arn FrYdrich it's Arne FrEEdrich.

 
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Media all over the World is claiming that Arsenal have wrapped up Podolski ($17M transfer fee and over $10m in salary per year)
GolTV linkI don't watch EPL or pull FOR any team in the league, but I guess I can pull for the Gunners.
You are the German expert here. Any scouting report you can give on the Fire's signing of Arne Friedrich?
He's a solid backline guy. He has over 80 caps for Die Mannschaft and you might remember his goal during the last World Cup against Argentina. He had gone 70+ matches without scoring and the team was pretty excited for him. He last played for the National Team last March against Austria, sadly he scored an own goal in that match.Also, he's German so his name isn't pronounced Arn FrYdrich it's Arne FrEEdrich.
Thanks! I am aware of some of his back ground but was more interested in his recent play as I heard he was hurt much of last year. At 32, and if he is healthy, this seems to be a very good signing by Chicago.

 
Holy crap. The Rangers players rejected the wage cuts! There is now speculation that the club might just shut down entirely this season :shock:I assume some of this posturing is to spur a quick sale of the club but this sounds ultra serious no matter what.

Rangers on the brink as players reject wage cutsLONDON (AP) - Rangers might be forced out of business before the end of the season after its players refused to accept wage cuts on Wednesday, forcing the administrators trying to save the financially stricken club to hasten their search for a buyer.Rangers director Dave King claimed that defending Scottish champions are unlikely to emerge from bankruptcy protection, warning that "liquidation is inevitable."Even if a quick sale can be agreed, the parlous state of the finances mean that the 140-year-old club is unlikely to be ineligible to compete in Europe for the first time since the 1980-81 season."(There is) no realistic prospect of being able to the meet UEFA's financial criteria by the March 31 deadline," the administrators said.Talks with prospective buyers are planned for this week, but the administrators fear the team will not be able to complete the season unless it able to implement cuts of 1 million pounds ($1.6 million) a month.The wage-reduction agreement which was rejected by the squad would have limited any redundancies in return for cuts of 75 percent for the highest earners."The club is in a perilous financial situation and that should not be underestimated," joint administrator David Whitehouse said. "Regrettably, we have been unable to agree cost-cutting measures with the playing staff on terms that will preserve value in the business."We understand the players' position as the scale of wage cuts required to achieve these savings without job losses were very substantial indeed."Manager Ally McCoist is due to be part of the discussions in the coming days with those prospective purchasers who have already declared their interest in buying Rangers."(If) it becomes apparent that the sale process cannot be accelerated there will be no choice but to implement very severe cost-cutting measures at the club," Whitehouse said.Rangers, which has won a world-record 54 domestic titles, was forced into administration last month after tax debts of 9 million pounds ($14 million) were accrued since Craig Whyte's takeover last May. The club is also awaiting a verdict from a tax tribunal due to long-standing contested liabilities of up to 75 million pounds ($117 million).Whitehouse, who is from restructuring firm Duff & Phelps, said they could be forced to implement "redundancies within the playing staff on such a scale that would materially erode the value of the playing squad.""We are striving to strike a balance where cost-cutting measures can be implemented but do not destroy the fabric of the playing squad to the extent that it will inhibit the prospect of a sale," he said. "However, no one should be in any doubt that in the absence of sufficient cost-cutting measures, or receipt of substantial unplanned income, the club will not be able to fulfill its fixtures throughout the remainder of the season."After being docked 10 points for entering administration, the club is 21 points behind Celtic and is set to miss out on lucrative revenue from the Champions League or Europa League."There is no realistic prospect of the club being able to fulfill its obligations prior to the March 31 deadline set by UEFA," joint administrator Paul Clark said.Clark fears the deadline will pass with Rangers either failing to emerge from administration, its accounts still needing to be signed off by auditors, UEFA unconvinced the club is viable, the tax bill won't have been cleared or that money owed is still outstanding.
 
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Media all over the World is claiming that Arsenal have wrapped up Podolski ($17M transfer fee and over $10m in salary per year)
GolTV linkI don't watch EPL or pull FOR any team in the league, but I guess I can pull for the Gunners.
You are the German expert here. Any scouting report you can give on the Fire's signing of Arne Friedrich?
He's a solid backline guy. He has over 80 caps for Die Mannschaft and you might remember his goal during the last World Cup against Argentina. He had gone 70+ matches without scoring and the team was pretty excited for him. He last played for the National Team last March against Austria, sadly he scored an own goal in that match.Also, he's German so his name isn't pronounced Arn FrYdrich it's Arne FrEEdrich.
Thanks! I am aware of some of his back ground but was more interested in his recent play as I heard he was hurt much of last year. At 32, and if he is healthy, this seems to be a very good signing by Chicago.
OK, I did a little looking and evidently he had back surgery in 2010 and reinjured his back in 2011. It seems he considered retirement if he couldn't get past the back problems. So, 32 with a history of back problems could be an issue.
 
That Rangers situations is unbelievable. Literally- I can't believe that team is in that bad shape. And of course it's the team with the US players.

I watched a good chunk of the Seattle game and... wow. The parts I watched were really impressive. I was amazed at how good their overall team shape was- so disciplined, especially at this point in the "season". Usually, Mexican teams find the holes against even the best MLS teams with great ease and work the ball around and through them- but Santos didn't seem to have much room at all. And the long haired cat for Seattle- their captain- a total game-changer #10 player that the league desperately needs. Completely impressed- and given that rabid fan-base, this might be a special year for Seattle if that performance is any indication of how they'll continue to play.

 
'SmoovySmoov said:
'Sebowski said:
'NewlyRetired said:
Media all over the World is claiming that Arsenal have wrapped up Podolski ($17M transfer fee and over $10m in salary per year)I really hope they hold on to RVP because I want to see these two players together.
I've always liked Podolski. He has always underachieved for his club team (or is i over achieved for his country?). I really hope he fits in at Arsenal. :thumbup: I do see RVP leaving next year though. Especialy if they don't qualify for CL. No way he stays if they don't. They need to qualify and make some good signings to keep him.
I've always liked him, as well. Would have rather seen him in red, but I do hope he does well at Arsenal. :thumbup:
I sure hope this is true, finally a big name player coming to Arsenal instead of the other way around. It's still essential to keep Van Persie, but this would be the biggest name to transfer to the squad in quite some time.
 
That Rangers situations is unbelievable. Literally- I can't believe that team is in that bad shape. And of course it's the team with the US players.

I watched a good chunk of the Seattle game and... wow. The parts I watched were really impressive. I was amazed at how good their overall team shape was- so disciplined, especially at this point in the "season". Usually, Mexican teams find the holes against even the best MLS teams with great ease and work the ball around and through them- but Santos didn't seem to have much room at all. And the long haired cat for Seattle- their captain- a total game-changer #10 player that the league desperately needs. Completely impressed- and given that rabid fan-base, this might be a special year for Seattle if that performance is any indication of how they'll continue to play.
:goodposting:

Seattle has two legit MVP candidates in Rosales and Montero. I mentioned in another post that I think they are going to win the Supporters Shield this year.

Looking very much forward to next weeks game in Mexico. Going to be tough to advance but would love to see them get a 1-1 type draw and become the first non Mexican team to knock out a Mexican side.

 
'SmoovySmoov said:
'Sebowski said:
'NewlyRetired said:
Media all over the World is claiming that Arsenal have wrapped up Podolski ($17M transfer fee and over $10m in salary per year)I really hope they hold on to RVP because I want to see these two players together.
I've always liked Podolski. He has always underachieved for his club team (or is i over achieved for his country?). I really hope he fits in at Arsenal. :thumbup: I do see RVP leaving next year though. Especialy if they don't qualify for CL. No way he stays if they don't. They need to qualify and make some good signings to keep him.
I've always liked him, as well. Would have rather seen him in red, but I do hope he does well at Arsenal. :thumbup:
I sure hope this is true, finally a big name player coming to Arsenal instead of the other way around. It's still essential to keep Van Persie, but this would be the biggest name to transfer to the squad in quite some time.
Since Arshavin :wall:
 
'SmoovySmoov said:
'Sebowski said:
'NewlyRetired said:
Media all over the World is claiming that Arsenal have wrapped up Podolski ($17M transfer fee and over $10m in salary per year)I really hope they hold on to RVP because I want to see these two players together.
I've always liked Podolski. He has always underachieved for his club team (or is i over achieved for his country?). I really hope he fits in at Arsenal. :thumbup: I do see RVP leaving next year though. Especialy if they don't qualify for CL. No way he stays if they don't. They need to qualify and make some good signings to keep him.
I've always liked him, as well. Would have rather seen him in red, but I do hope he does well at Arsenal. :thumbup:
I sure hope this is true, finally a big name player coming to Arsenal instead of the other way around. It's still essential to keep Van Persie, but this would be the biggest name to transfer to the squad in quite some time.
Since Arshavin :wall:
And I was doing so well trying to forget about him....
 
3-2. United lucky to get a penalty late.

On the last Athletic goal De Gea made a great save and then recovered a bit lackadaisically. It was really strange to watch. It was like the whole United team suddenly went into slow motion.

 
The EPL is continuing to struggle this year in European play. Both United and Man City lost today (Man City lost 1-0 away to Sporting).

Jozy went the full 90 in Alkemar's 2-0 win and Jozy assisted on both goals.

Cher went the full 90 for Hanover in their 2-2 draw at Standard Liege

 
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The ending of this United game got crazy...
Looks like it from the feed. Impressive that Bilbao got a win in Old Trafford. They are having a good year.
Definitely have some talent on that side. Llorente, Iker Muniaín, Javi Martínez pretty solid.I'd like them more if they weren't racist in their team selection.
What makes the selection racist? I really don't know much about them outside of Llorente.
 
What makes the selection racist? I really don't know much about them outside of Llorente.
They only sign players with Basque heritage (or links to the Basque region). On the plus side, they have an ownership system similar to the GB Packers, whereby they are "owned" by the fans.Don't get me wrong, it's amazing what they've been able to do with players from this region, but I just don't like the selection process. Then again, I'm a Chivas fan...
 
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What makes the selection racist? I really don't know much about them outside of Llorente.
They only sign players with Basque heritage (or links to the Basque region).Don't get me wrong, it's amazing what they've been able to do with players from this region, but I just don't like the selection process. Then again, I'm a Chivas fan...
I don't understand....How is that racist? Are the Basque people a different race?
 
What makes the selection racist? I really don't know much about them outside of Llorente.
They only sign players with Basque heritage (or links to the Basque region).Don't get me wrong, it's amazing what they've been able to do with players from this region, but I just don't like the selection process. Then again, I'm a Chivas fan...
Sounds reminiscent of the whole Celtic / Rangers Catholic vs Protestant divide.
 
The EPL is continuing to struggle this year in European play. Both United and Man City lost today (Man City lost 1-0 away to Sporting. Jozy went the full 90 in Alkemar's 2-0 win and Jozy assisted on both goals.
Both Chelsea and United seem to have a strange mix of a bit too young and a bit too old in their rosters, Arsenal is unpredictable, and I don't really get City.They are all going to have a ton of money to spend next year though so I expect to see them all improve.
 
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The ending of this United game got crazy...
Looks like it from the feed. Impressive that Bilbao got a win in Old Trafford. They are having a good year.
Definitely have some talent on that side. Llorente, Iker Muniaín, Javi Martínez pretty solid.I'd like them more if they weren't racist in their team selection.
I've never really gotten the impression that their Basques only rule was motivated by race. Maybe I'm missing part of the story.
 
What makes the selection racist? I really don't know much about them outside of Llorente.
They only sign players with Basque heritage (or links to the Basque region).Don't get me wrong, it's amazing what they've been able to do with players from this region, but I just don't like the selection process. Then again, I'm a Chivas fan...
I don't understand....How is that racist? Are the Basque people a different race?
Well, there are very few black or asian Basques out there...
 
The ending of this United game got crazy...
Looks like it from the feed. Impressive that Bilbao got a win in Old Trafford. They are having a good year.
Definitely have some talent on that side. Llorente, Iker Muniaín, Javi Martínez pretty solid.I'd like them more if they weren't racist in their team selection.
I've never really gotten the impression that their Basques only rule was motivated by race. Maybe I'm missing part of the story.
Oh it's not a "racist" policy, but it's a racist policy if you catch my meaning. It's about promoting homegrown players, but part of that means that they exclude certain segments of the population.
 
What makes the selection racist? I really don't know much about them outside of Llorente.
They only sign players with Basque heritage (or links to the Basque region).Don't get me wrong, it's amazing what they've been able to do with players from this region, but I just don't like the selection process. Then again, I'm a Chivas fan...
I don't understand....How is that racist? Are the Basque people a different race?
Well, there are very few black or asian Basques out there...
I think there is a Mexican team that follows a similar policy, maybe Chivas, in that they only have players of Mexican heritage.
 
The ending of this United game got crazy...
Looks like it from the feed. Impressive that Bilbao got a win in Old Trafford. They are having a good year.
Definitely have some talent on that side. Llorente, Iker Muniaín, Javi Martínez pretty solid.I'd like them more if they weren't racist in their team selection.
I've never really gotten the impression that their Basques only rule was motivated by race. Maybe I'm missing part of the story.
Oh it's not a "racist" policy, but it's a racist policy if you catch my meaning. It's about promoting homegrown players, but part of that means that they exclude certain segments of the population.
I get you. I always thought of the Basque nationalist angle, never really considered the racial implications. I still think it is pretty cool how almost all of their players come through the youth club though.
 
Trivia Question:Yesterday Messi broke double figures in goals for the second time in Champions League history (scoring ten or more goals in two CL campaigns). Only one other player has accomplished this. Name him.
WHO IS IT ALREADY!!!!!Guessing it can't be too obvious so Raul is out. Shevchenko?Inzaghi? Henry?
 
Ruud van Nistelrooy

Manchester United

10 (in 01/02) and 14 (02/03)

and damn what a crap day. I knew I shouldnt have been happy $ity lost before United played. need a win and 2 or more goals away puts United thru though, so not all lost.

 
Ruud van Nistelrooy Manchester United 10 (in 01/02) and 14 (02/03) and damn what a crap day. I knew I shouldnt have been happy $ity lost before United played. need a win and 2 or more goals away puts United thru though, so not all lost.
Are you kidding me? That was my first guess 6hrs ago! Maybe Andy has me on ignore for my jabs at the MLS :kicksrock:
 
Ruud van Nistelrooy Manchester United 10 (in 01/02) and 14 (02/03) and damn what a crap day. I knew I shouldnt have been happy $ity lost before United played. need a win and 2 or more goals away puts United thru though, so not all lost.
Are you kidding me? That was my first guess 6hrs ago! Maybe Andy has me on ignore for my jabs at the MLS :kicksrock:
I saw that. If you are on ignore for the MLS jabs, I am sure I am as well!! :excited:
 
Trivia Question:Yesterday Messi broke double figures in goals for the second time in Champions League history (scoring ten or more goals in two CL campaigns). Only one other player has accomplished this. Name him.
I'm gonna guess Raul, but I think I saw something related yesterday...ETA: Hipple van Nistlerooy
 
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